RPG OSR Review: Dungeon Crawl Classics

This week I take a look at the Dungeon Crawl Classics RPG From Goodman Games!
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[@captcorajus]

Update: I finally got to actually play a character funnel. The Judge ran Sailors of the Starless Sea and it was a phenomenal experience. I think I'd up my evaluation of the style at least two more to a 16. Looking forward to playing future games with my surviving peasant!

[@MrSteveK1138]

18 overall rating then? Also the crazy dice have become more easily accessible these days.

[@captcorajus]

@@MrSteveK1138 Definitely. and yes they have! They must have listened to my review! lol

[@gmee123]

I was watching another youtube review that was a few months old, and they mentioned that the overhauled this system and is more in line with B/X style. Does that hold true in light of this review?

[@spaceranger7683]

Just ran a 0-level funnel last weekend and my players had a blast roleplaying their poor stats and their peasant backgrounds. And these are all seasoned D&D players. They had so much fun roleplaying these peasants that we barely got into the meat of the module because of all the great roleplaying. I think this game is breath of fresh air for those who are tired of the gamesmanship that comes with how many people play modern D&D.

[@erikmartin4996]

The Gong Farmers Almanac has every single class covered. Any class you want to play in 5E you can play in DCC. It’s already been written up for you

[@captcorajus]

Cool, I'll check it out!!

[@IlloyedKater]

Are races like warforged and dragonborn also written up?

[@johnnygreenface]

@@IlloyedKater Idk, might be some golem sorta character or draconian. There is a lot stuff out there

[@tankatim13]

@@IlloyedKater warmachines from hubris

[@Aaron-mj9ie]

Coincidentally, I just ran DCC and it's Sample adventure this past weekend. It's one of my favorite systems, and one of my favorite "Starting character" adventures.

[@ClayLiford]

It’s actually ridiculously easy to convert older D&D modules to DCC. Do it all the time. I even have a chart for converting spells without much work.

[@toahordika6]

Could you share that chart for spells? Thanks.

[@fangedpneumonia]

Presentation wise I'd have rated this much higher! The art and flavor alone is well worth the price of this book. Great review though!

[@captcorajus]

Its always a challenge when rating these. I don't want to sound like a love struck fanboy, and try to be as clinical as I can be with them. The artwork is awesome, you don't lie! :)

[@deathmetal926]

Agreed. Love or hate the system I can't really see how style was so low, if DCC only had one thing going for it it would be style. Obviously that is just my opinion, and its your channel, but I was very shocked to see that low of a score. I pretty much agree with everything else you said here.

[@captcorajus]

@@deathmetal926 Keep in mind on the scale a 14 is 'GOOD'. I value homebrew content, and considering the complexity of just ONE spell and the critical charts being what they are, adding a new class, especially a spell casting class that might introduce a bunch of new spells (say druid?) means a LOT of work for the GM. That's why it was rated so 'low'.

[@deathmetal926]

@@captcorajus I agree, those reasons are why I don't want to use DCC for campaigns, however to me the style and flavor of the game being what it is, is the reason it is hard to do that, so I guess for a lack of a separate category, I can kind of get your reasoning, but to me DCC is by far the most styling rpg out there, but as far as your review goes I'm just arguing semantics at this point. I otherwise agree with everything you said.

[@KeithGigliotti]

Love this system. My players had the same reaction that you did when they heard the funnel concept. In the beginning, they didn't think the funnel system would be much fun...they loved it. Funnels are a good time for laughs and for players who do not know each other to bond IME. I find DCC lends itself to lots of war stories and laughs.

[@captcorajus]

I got that sense from it, and I really wanted to play it out before I did a review, but unfortunately, time constraints didn't allow for it.

[@maximpact24]

I've been running my DDC campaign for nine plus years now and my group loves it. Goodman Games is amazing and their staff IMO are the best in the RPG business today! All of their modules, Appendix N system settings, Dungeon Alphabet, MCC ect are all top notch!! :)

[@sunsin1592]

Also, since you mentioned criticals, I thought I'd share our super simple critical rules. You score a critical on a natural 20. Roll a second d20; 1-15=x2 dmg; 16-17=x3 dmg; 18-19=x4 dmg; 20=x5 dmg. You also roll a hit location die to describe the critical. For spells and devices, a natural 1 on the save results in taking a critical. If you roll a 1 to hit, that's a fumble and you lose initiative the next round. Simple, but fun. And it makes even lower level monsters more dangerous to high level PCs, since they might get that devastating critical that takes you out. I've tried other systems, but players seem to like this combo of simplicity and lethality. By the way, all PCs also get a 20 hp "kicker" at 1st level, which I cribbed from Hackmaster 4th edition. Offers a bit of a cushion at the early levels and offsets crits a bit. We still have a fair degree of PC death, but the overall balance has been good.

[@drewwill6497]

Great review! My friends and I played this game for 3 years and had many a character die (usually in a unique and often funny way). The thing I found fun was the total fantasy novel feel for the stories. Elric, Conan, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser all rolled into one. Plus, when my character survived I really felt like I earned something. Thanks again for your amazing and well thought out content. Always a pleasure.

[@captcorajus]

yes, that's what i was getting from the rules myself. Thank you for the kind words!!

[@williamjohnston5315]

DCC was my first romp into the OSR and the funnel was mind blowing! Coming as a forever DM of the 4e era I had a extremely fun time. Took me two funnels and about 11 characters to get my grave digger to the first level

[@captcorajus]

That does sound like a ton of fun. I'm not going to DM this but if I could play, i'm all in.

[@jayp8786]

Just received my DCC from Amazon (ordered 12/26) and Goodman Games still gives you a code for a free Drivethru pdf download!

[@thomasvontom]

Played this once. It was great. I had a busted leg. A pair of crutches. A crazy demon stuck in my head and a sling. I think I was a grave digger. My buddy had a 🦆 with his background. When his 🦆 died a snuck away with it and ate it. My character was dirt poor and I had not eaten in ever.

[@JimothyTheGreen]

I love DCC BUT I've come to realise it could be more old school. Next time I run it I intend to add rules from Basic D&D. Xp for gold, encumbrance, wandering monsters, exploration rules and getting lost and time management rules in particular.

[@BTsMusicChannel]

Appendix N is the shit. I have read quite a bit from it, most recently Poul Anderson's "Three Hearts and Three Lions." I actually feel sorry for D&D players who have not read Conan or Lovecraft. Where do they get their ideas for material? Video games? DCC is an absolutely beautiful book that I own but have not gone through carefully because I prefer versions earlier than 3.5. The way you describe "luck" is almost the same way as they did in "The Bard's Tale" (speaking of video games).

[@03dashk64]

The expansion books and modules often have extra classes and spells. Some of the setting books are downright amazing, such as Umerican Survival Guide and Hubris. UMS is a gonzo sci-fi America adding onto the DCC rules. Hubris is dark fantasy, but has a crazy setting.

[@NefariousKoel]

I like Umerican Survival Guide, for post-apocalyptic gonzo, better than Mutant Crawl Classics. And Hubris is definitely an interesting DCC setting.

[@Aaron-mj9ie]

I guess it should be noted that I run all my OSR stuff with tables and mechanics hacked off of DCC. My favorite old-school system is BFRPG mashed up with DCC.

[@brucegrossman3531]

For those concerned about the dice. Goodman games sells them as well as Impact. But also there is a free app from purple sorcerer which has you covered.

[@captcorajus]

When I made the video Goodman Games was sold out of their sets. :(

[@brucegrossman3531]

@@captcorajus I've got four sets over the years.

[@brucegrossman3531]

www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=dicepacks

[@captcorajus]

@@brucegrossman3531 A bit expensive but at least they seem to be instock when you click to order. Good find!

[@kaiten619]

you can use older d&D modules with this conversion for every 2 levels of D&D = 1 level of dcc. for example a level 2 adventure in D&D is basically a level 0 adventure for dcc

[@fulminatus6241]

I was considering picking this up, but having seen the book is festooned with old school art I'm definitely getting it now. Another great video. Keep up the good work.

[@captcorajus]

I really love it. Its great art, great system.

[@GalactoDave]

Awesome man! So glad you did this one. I have thus far taken the same stance on DCC. Keep up the great stuff

[@Squncoin]

I love DCC. The only drawback is the weird dice mechanics and the fact you will go through a good bit of printer ink to ensure those tables are easily accessible. The magic system is the big selling point here and the crits & fumbles are really fun.. so long as you have the table in front of you. I make all my players packets with what they need and as a DM I have a notebook of all the important stuff for quick access. So far so good.

[@captcorajus]

Yeah, I saw the option to print out a grimiore on Purple Planet and also a phone app as well, which certainly will help speed up play.

[@Squncoin]

@@captcorajus Having a spell book and learning a new spell and the player being handed the spell physically on paper does add something neat to the game IMO.

[@captcorajus]

@@Squncoin 100% agree!! I was looking at that when researching for the review, and certainly that that adds to the play-ability and fun tremendously.

[@nomoremaybes]

Your videos deserve so many more views, you're a great reviewer.

[@captcorajus]

Awww, thank you!

[@Johnny_Nitro]

Great review Cap! Still waiting for that Dragonlance coverage. 👍

[@matthewconstantine5015]

This game is so not my thing, yet I had an absolute blast playing it, and I'm hankering to run it soon. I'm normally more a fan of games that get deep into character and plot. With DCC I kinda feel like it's more about watching what happens to your character, than thinking about what your character wants to do...if that makes sense. The dice issue is definitely a problem. You can find sets on Amazon, but they're a bit over priced.

[@BreakSpace]

Great and honest review, thumbs up. Regarding weird dice, I'm from EU, cheapest dice I can find cost me 30£ per set. I love DCC, dice chain is good idea, availability and price is simply sad story.

[@captcorajus]

Yes, I was having trouble finding complete, "DCC Style" Dice.. with the proper d3, d4, d5, and including a d30. I found only two. A sparkly set, and a pinkish set on Amazong for $11 and $20 + shipping respectively.

[@deanm375]

I agree with you regarding the specialty dice. Other games publishers have done it as well and in every case it just seems like a cheap tactic to eek out extra money from their customers. I play tested this game and I had a blast playing. Joseph Goodman is a nice unassuming guy. Ran a fun set of sessions. I love the character funnel. Finally I would love to see your take on Kenzerco's 4th Edition Hackmaster published from 2001 to around 2008. I ran that system for 5 years. They took the rules from 1E and 2E and added all sort of crunch.

[@maxpocalypse]

Excellent review as always! I would love to see more of these "modern RPGs with old school spirit" reviews here, but I know time is a finite resource for us all :) I really want to get this book, even if I only ever just read through it and look at the art....sigh.

[@captcorajus]

Looks pretty great doesn't it?

[@arnman2093]

Actually, alternatives to the odd dice using traditional dice is the same. The odds are the same. Nobody needs a d3. Nice video! Love your work.

[@mlfetlesjdrenbref1306]

Nice review cap. Keep'em coming!

[@johnnybigbones4955]

Looks quite cool, I love the concept of generating 4 characters and playing the survivor. Not a fan of "special" dice though unless there is a damn good reason for it.

[@NefariousKoel]

The DCC branded dice sets are made by Impact! Miniatures, I'm pretty sure. You gotta watch online game stores like a hawk to get them because it seems like the small runs get sold out quickly and are out of stock until the next run shows up. Or you could just get the Impact Minis set. They cost pretty much the same, $20 to $25 a set. I have two or three sets, but the third may be overkill.

[@captcorajus]

I noticed!!

[@MickRissling]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but they give suggestions on how to use standard polyhedral dice to use in DCC

[@dreamakuma]

Glad you changed your mind man. Great review, I'm happy I bugged you about it. I use Kupow "Who knew" dice. I'm missing a d14, but it's an easy fix. Fairly cheap

[@captcorajus]

Me too, i really want to set up a campaign with it! lol

[@dreamakuma]

@@captcorajus The only things In the book that I didn't notice in the review, were the monsters and the adventure. I love the dragon rules, but oh boy I felt slighted on monsters. I pull from the Basic Fantasy Field Guide and C&C's monsters & Treasure to add more baddies. The Two Adventures in the book are great although different printings do have different adventures. It's really in my top three with Rules Cyclopedia and Warhammer fantasy Role play 1e.

[@Dracopol]

There's also *Mutant Crawl Classics* , a game reminiscent of Gamma World, which is compatible with DCC. Roam around in a blasted, post-holocaust future. Forget min-maxing, try Mad Maxing! The many tables in the style of DCC are welcome to figure out a mutant's mutations or roll for random long-forgotten technological gear. You thought it was a weapon? No, it's an unpowered electric toothbrush... goodman-games.com/store/mutant-crawl-classics/

[@captcorajus]

Yeah, I saw that. Probably have to take a look at that in the future.

[@Dracopol]

@@TheSpaceturd Controversy! If it's badly written, someone should warn the gaming public about it. If it's a great game, -- someone should warn the gaming public about it. I used to read games thoroughly, but now the speed of new releases is defeating me and I become a reader more than a player.

[@bananacake7083]

This game is awesome, hilarious, and brutal. No min maxing, rules lawyering and mathfindering out of every difficult situation. Battles are intense and choices have consequences. This is not a heroic game. It is a survival game. Character deaths are frequent and funny. Along with Call of Cthuluhu, this is my favorite system.

[@arielle2745]

I liked your review. I agree DCC has the flavor of some of the original D&D, which I played in the 1970’s, but is a whole new game. So, it really doesn’t bother me that the system cannot easily be used with old school modules/adventures. I really like what I tried so far from the DCC Quick Start PDF that I bought off of the Goodman Games site. I have finally bought the full game which I hope to receive soon and have downloaded the PDF included in the price. But, I was very disappointed with the dice selection on their site. I actually want to buy and use the dice (as others have mentioned, there are ways to play without buying special dice). I decided to buy some dice from the site, even though they were quite pricey and not really what I wanted design- and color-wise. But I was stunned that Goodman was going to charge me an additional $11 for shipping! No thanks. I went to amazon, and I personally think their selection of these unusual dice was really crap. Again, no thanks. I will use an app until I find some dice that I really like.

[@captcorajus]

Yes, that was my experience with Amazon as well. The SPARKLY dice set they have there is VERY good though, but that is the only set I purchased. Goodman Games has dice listed for sale, but they are out of stock STILL.

[@Antdevamp]

I found the DCC rep sitting without much attention. I was rapt, having checked it out online. They sold me 3 Supplement, Free DCC basic rules, and a box of sparkly blue glassy dice for $40. I am hunting for a game on Discord. I am very eager to play, train and join the Con reviewing Club.

[@lordshell]

May have to check this out.

[@keegansullivan1571]

I didn't have a problem getting dice. I just got them off the site. They're a bit pricy but the DCC specific ones on Goodman Game's site also come with a unique magical item for the game.

[@keegansullivan1571]

Oh! The guy who made the dice, his house/warehouse burned down last month. That's probably a big reason of the dice shortage.

[@captcorajus]

The Dice sets on DCC's website are all 'out of stock' except for 1 or 2

[@keegansullivan1571]

@@captcorajus it looks like the guy who made them's house/warehouse went up in a fire. Goodman Games posted up a go fund me page a few weeks ago

[@p-leif630]

What would be the easiest OSR system to learn and that allows an easy coversion of 3.5 / Pathfinder and 5E adventures and campaigns?

[@fja3924]

I run two campaigns, one of 5e and the other is DCC. DCC is more fun to me and there are always lots of laughs at the table. I am hoping to blend DCC with Basic Fantasy RPG (or mabe by itself) for a campaign that runs the old TSR modules.

[@gygeson5888]

It's really not that difficult to use a standard set of polyhedron dice with DCC. Using a d20, d10, and d6 for a d30 as one example. The d6 determines whether you use the d10 (i.e., 1-3 yes, 4-6 no). You get to roll a lot of dice this way too, which is always fun :) If you can find a set for a reasonable price, then grab them. Otherwise, simply use your existing dice and enjoy the game!

[@captcorajus]

I did find a nice sparkly set of dice for $12 which is in the video, but that was like the only one. And certainly, one CAN use 'regular' polyhedral dice, the fun is using the 'funky' dice IMHO. :)

[@gygeson5888]

@@captcorajus Yeah, I was presenting the option if the dice are too expensive. For a good price, it is definitely fun to have the dice!

[@Kalarandir]

Good review. However, I think you overplayed the difficulty of converting D&D modules to DCC. It is very easy, so easy, that in some cases they can be ran as is. The only proviso I would recommend is for any Judge to read through the module just to make sure that they are happy with it, any really, any alterations can be done on the fly without any difficulty.

[@MrClawt]

I really love the idea of starting with four characters and only keeping the survivor. That could be a game itself.

[@captcorajus]

Yeah, its a pretty cool idea. Great for background story development.

[@NefariousKoel]

Lends more attachment to your survivors early on, too. Warts and all.

[@InternetHydra]

If I ever ran Shadow of the Demon Lord I would run it’s intro adventure styled like DCC’s funnel. Quite similar already and feels thematically appropriate.

[@alexandredesrochers1957]

Dice can be found on Amazon under this title: 15 Pieces Complete Polyhedral Dice Set D3-D100 Spherical RPG Dice Set in Opaque Black, 100 Sides Dice Set for Role Playing Table Games Party Supplies(Purple and White)

[@captcorajus]

Its been a few years since this video came out, but thanks.

[@stevenwintersnight1036]

its about time man!! :)

[@stevenwintersnight1036]

When Im selling DCC to friends to try I tell them its D&D for people who love D&D. Every class is made for people who were drawn to the same class over and over when they were kids.

[@MrVoraxTranstellaris]

I don't mind referring to tables but some of the table entries seem somewhat long and complicated, especially at higher levels.

[@captcorajus]

I wouldn't play this without access to a modern day printer. You can create a 'grimoire for your players (or they can) so they have access to the spells they know. Also most of the combat charts are on the DM screen so its not really that bad.

[@MrVoraxTranstellaris]

@@captcorajus I managed to get a hold of the book and the dice but not the screen.

[@MarkDeibert]

What's with the weird dice? The polyhedral dice we've been throwing since late 70s, early 80s can't work?

[@ravenshadowz2343]

On the price of the dice, how much do people spend on dice? Most people I know spend lots of money on dice, such as dice themed Kickstarters, so price should not be a problem. Right now there are 5 different sets of the DCC dice.

[@pedroemo5477]

Man this system looks very fun 😳

[@AzulChico]

Several not-terribly-expensive dice sets are available on amazon. Just search for dcc dice.

[@captcorajus]

I had trouble finding them 'in stock' when i was writing this review. I did find a set of 'crystal' dice for only $10, which I ordered and was really happy with. Unfortunately, those were the only style I could find in that price range.

[@williamcomolli9470]

Concerning the specialty dice... Several companies make just the extra dice needed (6 of them) and they go for $6.99 a set on Amazon ($19.99 for all 14), HOWEVER, they are plain and ugly and it seems like twice a year, someone on kickstarter is doing a run of funky dice in some custom/fancy color scheme. If you back/buy a couple sets together, they seem to run about $14 to $16 for a set (otherwise it winds up being about $25 for a single set). I've done this several times and now have 6 sets of funky dice plus the Koplow games set of 6 off of Amazon.

[@erikmartin4996]

Walmart has a complete dice set including ALL dice within the DCC rules set for 10.84. Osenmei dice set that has a d60 which you don’t need to play the game but has everything else d30 and below

[@gabrielhersey5546]

My favorite DnD book

[@Se7enBeatleofDoom]

If we had Dungeon crawl classic come out in the 80s or 90s, what would the game be called? Dungeon Crawl current?

[@mrplaomeow768]

It reads well, and if you aren't averse to digital dice then they have a DCC app. The magic system can be very OP, casting magic shield, enlarge, magic missile, sleep combo magic'd with cleric bless has made difficult encounters mundane. Our mage cast enlarge on the other party members and we wiped out an army of about 100 enemies who had to hit a def of 26 since we all had magic shield, and we had bless from out cleric. the power gaming aspect in this system isn't hard to abuse and our campaign experience is suffering for it.

[@Squncoin]

I've seen magic be OP and I've seen magic go horribly wrong. That's beauty of the system. Some people embrace the chaos and love casting spells, some hold their breath every time they need to use magic. :)

[@mrplaomeow768]

Getting a corruption has never happened in our group for the past 3 months after both of our magic users had critical failures. Our cleric one shot the BBEG with a command spell, and another with a banishment spell. All thanks to the bonuses from bless.

[@Squncoin]

​@@mrplaomeow768 I've seen one corruption once, a few misfires, but overall I find magic users that cast a lot tend to wind up with failures and thus don't have access to all their spells 100% of the time. I don't let my players rest whenever they want to so if they are casting spells a lot they tend to wind up fizzling enough to where eventually I can get them low on resources. Clerics seem to be able to abuse Lay on Hands a lot, but in DCC having full HP almost every fight isn't a huge deal since HP is relatively low.

[@mrplaomeow768]

Well when it has happened it is always at the entrance to a dungeon or we had other tools to get us through the adventure. And don’t get me wrong there is still danger thanks to traps or circumstantial party separation and of course crit fail but combat hasn’t been very hard between giant size, magic shield, bless, magic missile combo which gets buffed by the shield’s mercurial effect

[@Squncoin]

@@mrplaomeow768 We played Doom of the Savage Kings and Enlarge was cast at a ridiculously high roll and the player stomped the Hound to death.. so I feel for you. But mercurial magic created a 3 year harsh winter and a solar eclipse for few weeks so they did have to find a way to undo that. It's still a joke at my table that they came to Hirot to save the village and doomed them to eternal cold and darkness instead. :P

[@zpacula]

BTW, Lou Zocchi had an accident not a long time ago, so you might consider buying Gamescience dice to support the man who sacrificed his life designing new types of game dice ;)

[@captcorajus]

Yeah, i read about that!! Lou is a great guy, a real 'gem' to the gaming industry. I was looking at Zocchi sets online, but the D30 seemed to be missing from the 'odd dice' sets.

[@sethduffey9538]

Thank you sir 👍🏿 excellent

[@deanm375]

The specialty dice is a big turn off for me. Had the same hesitation with the Fantasy Flight star wars game. I feel like specialty dice are just a way to nickle and dime their customers out of extra money.

[@captcorajus]

I like the dice, but yes, specialty dice in an rpg are a slippery slope for sure. I like my d6 Star Wars anyway so FF isn't getting me on their system. lol

[@deanm375]

@@captcorajus For the record I am in the credits as one of the play testers for DCC. I like the game and for me one of the best parts of the game is character funnel and the elimination of min max gaming. I like random generation because it forces players to try different type of characters that they might not consider on their own. I played a ton of WEG SW back in the day but also liked the Saga system quite a bit.

[@Henchman34]

I like the dice chain mechanic. They also explicitly state that you don't have to have the dice to play. They give the conversions in the front of the book.

[@captcorajus]

@@Henchman34 yes, i mentioned that.. but still, more fun rolling dice!! :)

[@n3kkidninj4]

Oh yeah the $40 500 page Rulebook shows they are a greedy company.

[@Dabeef64]

From what I have been hearing there are a lot of DMs who use this book as more of a reference piece for their own D&D game vs actually playing it. I do like the character creation & spell casting system so I might grab me a copy. There is no way in all of Greyhawk will I spend $50.00 bucks for a set of dice, so it will be purely reference if I do buy it.

[@donniehoffman4738]

I spent less than 8, where are you looking?

[@scottmcley5111]

Been looking for a simple system to game with my nephews and nieces. This isnt it, but it sure looks cool. We played Catan Jr, and got the rules down ok. Any suggestions? Thanks brother!

[@captcorajus]

Old school essentials is really good. Super simple layout of the rules. Clear, concise. Fast. See my review on that, which I did only a few videos ago.

[@scottmcley5111]

Thanks Cap!

[@cthulhupthagn5771]

@@scottmcley5111 Theres a Mouse Guard RPG which might be worth a look

[@albertmockel6245]

I like the book and reading it, but playing it not so much. The thing is, one of the main attractions of OSR is that I need few things to refer to at the table. I really like spell failures, effects, corruption, critical tables for fun and inspiration but nothing beats BX for smoothly running a game. I would preferplaying DCC over Ad&d any time, but not over basic d&d.

[@WaynePeacock]

Purple Sorcerer Games has web tools and mobile apps (TheCrawler) - including dice!

[@dixieflatline9772]

When I see someone use day mode, I feel like the Nightman.

[@NefariousKoel]

You have to pay the Troll Toll to get into this boy's soul.

[@kenneth_mata]

You think you will ever give a look to Neoclassical Geek Revival? Is another mechanically full (compared to many OSR offerings) game but it's rather obscure

[@MrRourk]

Map Tools from RP Tools is a free table top simulator and dungeon map. So you going to run a game?

[@JosephKeenanisme]

MCC/DCC isn't meant for people who want everything handed to them without any work. It takes the wind out the sails of the PnP version of pay to win (looking at pathfinder and WotC's financial models and player base)

[@captcorajus]

Not exactly sure what you mean by 'pay to win'. As long as there's been D&D there's been new books and supplements that added new content to the game. Even though I like the game, I'm still not exactly thrilled with the massive amount of Charts required for the game. Say a player wants to create a NEW spell... that's waaaaay more work for the DM and player than in traditional/ newer D&D. Either way, I'd play in any of them. :)

[@cthulhupthagn5771]

Great review, but man you struck a nerve about dice!

[@captcorajus]

Well... you know, youtube. Apparently I wasn't clear enough about what I was talking about. People keep sending me links where I can buy the dice, but then they either A) Don't have all the required dice or B) when you get to the ORDER page are out of stock. lol

[@toddevangelista]

My problem with the game is that a warior takes his turn in 30 seconds, but a wizard takes a 5 minute turn. In a 6 player game (1 GM and 5 players), a warrior can have a 20 minute wait between turns.

[@JimothyTheGreen]

... no? I've run the game. The wizard takes a turn casting a spell or failing to cast a spell and that's it the vast majority of the time.

[@Dracopol]

There is a trend to sell more dice. Even regular 5th-edition D&D now wants people to buy sets of dice which have jumped to 11 dice from 7. You used to need only d4, d6, d8, d10, a "tens" d10 to roll percentiles as well, d12, and 20. But now the standard is 3 more d6's to make 4d6 for ability score determination during character generation, and a 2nd d20 because you'll need one for Advantage/Disadvantage rolls. So 11 is the minimum in a "set". DCC: even worse with 14.

[@captcorajus]

Don't get me wrong. I LIKE dice! lol. Just need them to be available. The sets like you are speaking about for 5E are pretty common, and relatively cheap and come in a lot of styles. I was just saying I thought that the choices with DCC were limited. The 'really cool' sets seemed to be priced rather prohibitively.

[@Squncoin]

I bought one set of funky dice and we just pass them around. You are rolling the standard dice 90% of the time. My suggestion here is to make sure spells are random because otherwise yeah, a Wizard is going to kit himself out for maximum efficiency and DCC isn't really designed for that.

[@jeremysmatana2592]

What? D&D/Pathfinder and its many equivalents ALWAYS recommended having additional d6s at the table for ease of character creation (and other reasons). Guys have been pulling the extras from their Monopoly boxes for 45 years. This remains an option as it always has, since you can just roll the thing multiple times. How is this a problem/thing/complaint? You know how much a d6 costs at my local hobby shop? Like ten cents. Lemme ask... how have you been rolling for spells like fireball?

[@Jessterr2]

Liber Arcanum is a good expansion if you want more spells and only $15... It is 3rd party but a lot of 3rd party products are purchasable on Goodman games online store. There are a lot of other OSR adventures that have been converted out there as PDF, looking at dmsguild.com and drivethrurpg.com will find some results... However the Goodman games adventures are an incredible buy. $10 or less for each one is a decent value, and their box sets are legendary (get the new Lankhmar Boxed set and you will NOT regret it.) Seriously I am in awe of Goodman games right now and will likely be purchasing products from them for years.

[@IndyMotoRider]

I'm a big fan of this system but I can't get my min/max 5E players to give it a fair shake. Especially now that they're hitting 11-12th level and wrecking everything they fight.

[@captcorajus]

I got my group to try it out for a few adventures, and they are down for it, but it was a difficult sell. Of course I had the advantage of saying, "Hey guys, this is for my KZbin channel. I need to play a few games for the review." lol

[@Squncoin]

DCC is hard to sell to people who really enjoy 5E min/max. DCC is gritty and dangerous and 5E.. I am not even sure how to kill a 5E character without really trying. I had a few people who really liked the magic system so I was able to covert my group. For the last guy who was not on board I just explained as a DM this system is a lot more fun for me. I asked him to try it and unless he found he wasn't having fun, we could talk about playing something else or 5E again so he came around eventually. I did let my players pick their class, I let them roll 3d6 7 times and place their stats where they wanted and drop the lowest roll. Nothing too major just a few concessions. We ran several funnels prior so I didn't feel as though it was taking much away from the experience.

[@Joshuazx]

Those specialty dice, man...

[@InfamousPeanut]

There is another point to the funnel that you missed. It introduces the lethality of the game. When players are accustomed to 3.5, 5e, or Pathfinder they assume that they are super heroes charging through the countryside laying waste to all that stands in the way. That is not this game. The cruelty of the world must be instructed. In the end this is a gonzo game of horrors where characters rarely live above fifth level. Everything that a modern player understands about role playing has to get tossed out the window. Old school play is entirely different. The funnel exists to make this happen. That is why you do not simply create four characters and keep the strongest. Players would learn nothing and die even faster with the character that they get attached to.

[@captcorajus]

I didn't really 'miss' it. I am already an old school DM, and the lethality of the game is a given. Of course, as you say, some players may not be used to that level of lethality in the game, but I sometimes look at the things from an 'old school' prism. :)

[@momentdefilm7556]

Спасибо за обзор)

[@captcorajus]

You're very welcome!!

[@momentdefilm7556]

спасибо)

[@AAron-gr3jk]

I've avoided this because of its intimidating size

[@rabifiotto3704]

The size of the book is a bit misleading. There are 126 pages of rules for the players and another 50 for the judge. The lion's share of the page count goes to spell tables and monsters. There's also a quickstart that Goodman gives away for Free RPG Day and convention appearances that's super compact and has most of the rules you need to get started.

[@captcorajus]

yes, this is very true. Most of the buik is dedicated to spells and monsters.

[@Squncoin]

I would also add in addition to the book being a dungeon masters guide, a players handbook, and a monster manual .. there are also two adventures included! It's an incredible value, the art is fantastic, and the game itself is loads of fun.

[@stevennewman5442]

that's what she said

[@jessienelson4407]

smells like teen spirit

[@chupa5946]

no way my players would play this. If they dont play overpowered demi gods they constantly whine. Darn 5th edition

[@captcorajus]

5E can be a bit tricky to reign in the PCs, but if you design your creatures with an eye towards multi actions, you can really throw them for a loop.

[@tubebobwil]

I think the power creep started in late 2e, by 3.5 was in full swing, everyone was a comic book super hero by 4e, and if anything, 5e scaled that back a smidge.

[@itsyagirlVofficial]

5e marvel superheroes in fantasy drag.

[@johnkirk2863]

value wise i would of rated it lower cause of how hard the dice is to get...its what turned me away from getting into it

[@azcoder]

Fortunately the dice are cheap now. I picked up a set at Amazon for $10.

[@patrickholt2270]

I've always taken the view that time travel from the future to the past is impossible because God prevents it to protect the integrity of the timeline in His role as the existential ground of being and upholder of reality. Travel to the past creates the possibility of changing the past which wrecks the timeline so it is not permitted. Conversely time travel from the past into the future is entirely natural. We call it living. However people from the past using knowledge in the present to change the past they originally came from is self-preventing, because if they changed the past, they themselves would never have wound up in the future, and therefore whatever attempts to change the timeline they make don't happen. Since Blackmoor is canonically in the deep past of the Mystara world, as a timeline it is protected not by God, but by the Immortals, especially the Immortals of Time and Earth, and of course Ka the Preserver and the great Spell of Preservation. Ka as an Immortal predates Blackmoor because he ascended to Immortality during the Dinosaur Age. Either he didn't have the power, or he wasn't interested in preserving Blackmoor as a society and polity. Only the Blackmoor Elves are included in the Hollow World as worthy of rescue from that time, apparently. The Spell of Preservation which preserves cultures and races from after the Blackmoor period necessarily has to prevent any attempt to stop Blackmoor from disappearing, since those cultures depend for their existence on the disappearance of Blackmoor to have been able to develop later. Since the modules exist, predicated on time travel backwards in time, it has to be assumed that Ka and the other Immortals, and the Spell of Preservation are working in the background to make sure nothing the players do can stop the destruction of Blackmoor, the planet shifting its axis etc, so that they cannot cause their parents to never exist or whatever. The scale of the devastation after the times the players may get to visit is such that all of the family lineages they affect come to an end anyway, and none of their own depend on ancestry from Blackmoor directly.

[@ktg8030]

With index cards i don’t see any real reason to buy the codexes anymore unless you play a ton of games and have exhausted normal play or you are a collector.

[@Roman-ey3yi]

ah the old " this charecter lived his life as a farmer. Next!" excuse

[@jshricks]

Funny, I'm looking to cut down on the classes and absolutely will be cutting down the races. Leave all the chaos with the official WoTC material. Which is why I am dumping all that and going DCC.

[@blktom]

How do you get a 20 on value when you have to spend $50 on dice that are hard to get? And lets be frank, if you have a set of D&D dice already, you are spending $50 on the few dice you don't already own. 17-18 value at best.

[@captcorajus]

Because the review is based on what you get for the PRICE of the game, and I wasn't evaluating the DICE or accessories. I was evaluating the GAME. The book is THICK. You get a complete game (and its a great game) AND they put a code in for the PDF so the PDF is included. THAT'S how you get a 20.

[@blktom]

@@captcorajus OK, can you play the game without the dice, yes or no? If you can play the game without the odd dice, I will concede the 20. If you need the dice, admit the value is reduced because you need the goofy expensive dice to play the game. It would be like saying you can play D&D with just D6s. Sure, you can jump through hoops to make it work, but it really doesn't. If you need the dice, you don't have a game, you have a art book.

[@captcorajus]

@@blktom Yes, you can play the game without the specialty dice. There are conversions for using the the system without the specialty dice.

[@fleetcenturion]

Interesting concept. I'll pass.

[@99zxk]

I think I'll pass on DCC. To be fair, just going to point out that in the early days of D&D it also used specialty dice. I've never dated a woman who knows what a d20 is. In the end, one can just use a online random number generator. Have you ever considered that D&D only needs a D8, D12 and an D20? People roll a D3 with a D6, so in a pinch one can do the same with the other dice. A D2 and D4 can be rolled with all three. A D3 and a D6 can be rolled with a D12. D10's and D100's can be rolled with a D20.

[@sunsin1592]

Yeah; I know a lot of people love this, but it seems like the worst of both worlds. I cringe at the words "modern mechanics" every time I hear them. Throw in all the spell tables, etc., and it all seems way too clunky. Actually it seems plain awful. But I just picked up OSE and love it, so I'm not looking for a new game anyhow. But I know this has a huge following. And some of their adventures sound interesting.

[@captcorajus]

I love OSE. My next video is on the Advanced Rules, which may be more to your liking if you haven't picked them up already.

[@sunsin1592]

@@captcorajus Yeah; I have them. After we wrap up our current Advanced Labyrinth Lord campaign we're going to go with OSE, including using some of the new race classes like the gnome and half-orc.

[@jeremysmatana2592]

Amazon is ugly with DCC dice. There is no shortage. There are sets as low as $6.99 up to $24.99. Since a set of 7 Chessex dice will run you $11 - $12, it is not a wonder that the bigger DCC dice sets are around the $24.00 range; you're getting more dice and more plastic overall. Not sure why you would want to hunt around on eBay for "official" dice at $60 each, since there never really was any such thing. There was no box set filled with rounded off, crayon-marked dice for the nostalgic or completist. The dice for DCC have always been made by various companies.

[@captcorajus]

Ugly is right. Retake a look at what Amazon is offering. IT is not full DCC sets except for TWO sets that I could find.

[@captcorajus]

Also, there are 'official' DCC dice I suggest you take a look at goodman games website.

[@captcorajus]

DCC dice are like the ones pictured in the video, with a D6 with roman numerals for the d3. The complete dice chain from the rulebook set is what I'm speaking of. Not some 'knock off' that has a few 'wonky' dice.

[@ronniabati8550]

Forbidden Lands blows this game away

[@chadwickerman]

It's an interesting game but way too clunky and cumbersome for me to play or really even consider old school. If I have to reference charts and tables everytime I roll dice I'm not going to play for very long. DCC seems to me like more of a Hackmaster style parody of DnD that's meant to be a beer and pretzels laugh game. The idea of the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker going down into the local dungeon is extremely ridiculous. Oddly enough, the only part of DCC I enjoy playing is funnels though. When Im in the odd mood for a one off joke game of "Bowling for PCs" the funnel fills that perfectly. The comical art definitely reinforces that goofy/silly style of play. Of the few people I know who still play DCC, none have ever had a character advance past second level as they all die every other adventure, always wistfully looking at those high level chart rolls. lol

[@bhaydon9926]

d14 d16 d30 and that d4 they aint real dice

[@captcorajus]

But playing with them sure is real fun! :)

[@MoragTong_]

C'mon man, you didn't even try, you can get dice on Amazon for like $19...not to mention eBay, etc. There has never been an issue with getting the dice for DCC...ever. And what's with all the crying about it not being compatible with older modules? ITS NOT D&D! Then you knock it for not having more classes, Basic D&D, Labyrinth Lord, etc don't have Druids, Rangers or Paladin either. Seems like you wanted to not like the game and then found out is pretty good, but still had to find something "wrong" with it. Honestly, it doesn't seem like you've played it at all.

[@captcorajus]

$19 is expensive for dice. Specifically complete sets with the correct 14 dice. Those not missing specific dice like the d5. I suggest you 'relook' on Amazon at the set offered more closely. It isn't D&D. I also said that that wasn't a 'bad' thing. i think you are exaggerating my criticisms my friend. I loved this game, and I thought that came through in the video, as i said 'minor' nits.

[@johnnybigbones4955]

That is weirdly defensive seeing as the review was really positive.

[@captcorajus]

@@johnnybigbones4955 I'm not being defensive my friend.

[@johnnybigbones4955]

@@captcorajus Nah I meant the other guy was being defensive. You are super reasonable.

[@captcorajus]

@@johnnybigbones4955 Oops, my bad. I didn't look at the names. Need to stop commenting at 3am. lol