Why The RPGMaker MZ Sample Games are Kinda Awful (Overanalyzed)

[@teasjams6895]

Wow, this video is a bummer. When I think sample games, I think, show me what this engine can do and how cool it can look! What use is a mundane completely RTP sample, we already know the engine can do that. These games were made with love and painstakingly worked on for everyone's benefit, also they were made in extremely short time periods, 30 days for Caz's and 2 weeks for Archeia's/Ocean Dreams, like how many of the people thoughtlessly bashing them has made anything even half as cool in that much time. And not to win a game jam prize, or get recognition, but for the community to use and improve upon. I love you Toasty, but this makes me sad.

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

It’s the same thought process as when someone puts a price tag on their game, it’s judged by a different standard. Here, the games have been given DEGICAS official stamp, so I’m going to judge them as an officially sanctioned product and not as a game made in 30 days. If someone made a game in 30 days and charged money for it I’d judge it in the same way I am with these games. It doesn’t matter how much time or effort went into it (tho I do respect it), what matters is the end result. And even if these games are providing free art assets for the community (something I didn’t realize until after the video went up), the games themselves are still rather bland examples of video games made in this engine and set the bar rather low for the level of quality DEGICA is okay with. The only standard they really set is the art. (Since apparently not a single human checks the description of KZbin videos I’m pinning your comment Tea because I feel my reply perfectly encapsulates my changed feelings after learning that the art is free to use).

[@teasjams6895]

@@Toastyfunnyguy They aren't charging for these games, it's made as a gift to the community. Don't forget the humanity behind the brand. These are real people with feelings that gave you a gift out of a passion for a mutual love, RM.

[@neosoulgamer5662]

Toasty, I think the reason why people disagree with you is because you're speaking for the collective and setting an arbitrary standard for what you believe a sample game should be. And that's fair. You're entitled to your own opinion. But the video makes you look ungrateful because, to Tea's point, the game and everything that came with it was made for the community. I think the comparison you drew is a bit unfair when it comes to the thought process. I'd argue that a good reason why paid games are held to a higher standard is because there's a market value to consider. If you're used to paying $20 for great games (of any kind), and someone shells out a RPG Maker game for the same price with crappy mapping, minimal custom resources, and average writing... Then there's a solid argument to be made that the game is overpriced and judged differently. Not to mention, you spent your hard-earned money on that product. So that too comes with a sense of ownership. Degica never commited to a standard, and I don't think there should be some "golden standard" for sample games. We don't even really know what that would be at this point.

[@holdthetruthhostage]

@@Toastyfunnyguy Wise men have a mask of Toast

[@PaphvulMayle]

Agreed agreed. And the funny thing is, too, the only exceptional thing on display here is the graphics work. Anything else is stuff that anyone using the engine can learn how to do. Plus, a lot of people who pick up the engine in the first place are artists who don't really want to learn to code or anything like that (myself included), so saying a game doesn't work as an example because the graphics are too nice is kind of ridiculous.

[@bandesof]

Just as a point of note: the custom graphics in these games can be used in anyone's project. So, for that alone I'm pleased with the sample games.

[@blindedjourneyman]

oh? I had no idea!

[@RedMageGaming]

I agree with some of your points. But I'm going to say this: They're still better than 99% of the hot garbage that gets pushed to steam with a price tag, and that's with only a month of dev time spent on it.

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Agreed, but I’m not criticizing them against those games, but against the fact that these are sample games. These sample games are going to be seen WAY more than any of the hot garbage games thrown on Steam, and these games represent the MZ engine (see: OFFICIAL stamp). Those hot garbage games are the embarrassment of RPGMaker, these games are the example of RPGMaker.

[@RedMageGaming]

@@Toastyfunnyguy Their kinda caught in that zone where they are a great example, but a terrible sample.

[@PleasantWhale]

9:50 That reminds me... I found an "RPG Maker" filter on steam and was like, "Aw dude cool! Let's see some rpg maker games!" Past page 2, it's 95% porn games... I'm not joking, it's so awful... That or uninteresting, default asset games.

[@farahgrants6419]

I feel like we are slowly watching toasty as he loses his mind with every bad rpg maker game.

[@TrueKoalaKnight]

I discovered RPG Maker a long time ago. We're talking decades. I always found it to be a great tool for making AN RPG, but very inflexible when I wanted to go beyond what the core engine does. Of course this has changed quite a bit over the years with the introduction and expansion of plug-ins. But I still feel there is room for improvement. It's really just comes down to one thing for me. It's the underlying stats system that has remained so rigid. I know there are plenty of plug-ins that allow for modifications, but feel that RPG Maker will really become a great tool as soon as it allows for the expansion and modification of stats right out of the box.

[@unwithering5313]

Gotta agree there; RPG Maker is so 'unform' that it took me a crazy long time just to do something that sounds so simple

[@GypsyxDarling]

I think there's a possibility that the sample games aren't for people making the jump from MV to MZ, but for people who don't own ANY RM, and want to see a broad range of what it's capable of.

[@Metalseadraking]

As someone who recently got into RPG Maker I TOALLY know where you're coming from. As standalone gamesthey could be quite good, however that is NOT what a sample game should be. A "sample" should be a representative example of the capabilities of the engine. Without customized scripts or graphics. (I dunno if there were customized scripts) And even this "restriction" could have great potential for a good sample game as it forces someone to only use their resources that are available to them and find new ways to use them. Maybe only one sample game, but put all the effort into that one game. It should show the customer what the customer COULD make by themselves with this engine alone. The fact that you can download the assets from the sample games doesn't change the fact that those assets were originally made for those sample games (well except if someone can tell me that the creators were given those assets.)

[@TheRealTr0n]

Nothing wrong with a little cliche here and there :) Congrats on 1000 subs Toasty!

[@FleshToDust]

I got a bit burnt out from RPG Maker as well which is why I started doing other stuff in addition to RPG Maker. It helps. Do any one thing for too long without a break and you'll get burnt out for sure.

[@AwesomeCardGames]

These sample games are false advertisement. Their staff has low integrity from my experience with the usual staff members from the RM community. Newcomers may get a false impression that the program includes the graphics from the same games. I think they used these games for samples because many people complained about the lack of new features in MZ. These samples appear to be an attempt to cover MZ's lack of new features.

[@shayoko6]

it didn't focus on online gameplay and probably didn't add the great F1 feature to fix controls for a controller...

[@CosmicDuskWolf]

Now that I think about it, a lot of games from the 80s and 90s didn't have footstep sounds. Or at least not footstep sounds in every area.

[@Scarecrohh]

As someone who has little to any artistic capability and programming experience, RPG Maker is my getaway to making the game I have always wanted. I love the engine for the concept of what it is. An engine that anybody can use to make a game regardless of their age, limitation, and intention. However as you touched on, these sample games don't do that. The art and graphics are great, but outside of the combat system. why not use everything of MZ's base assets? It's very misleading to someone like me who has those limitations in art and programming and want to create a game on a similar level. These are sample games made to give you an idea of what the engine itself offers. Show us what the engine can do for someone who just wants to make a game right now. Not a "you can make a game if you meet the following criteria." type deal.

[@neosoulgamer5662]

"It's very misleading to someone like me who has those limitations in art and programming and want to create a game on a similar level. These are sample games made to give you an idea of what the engine itself offers." Not saying you're wrong at all, because as I mentioned in an earlier comment, I'm on the fence about how I feel. But I'm trying to understand your perspective when you say this. Why would it be misleading when only the graphics have changed? There are several screenshots available on the software download/purchase page that shows and explains pretty much everything you get. When we already have that for reference, why should the sample game have the RTP when they can inspire developers who may not even know how flexible the engine is with custom resources?

[@Scarecrohh]

Personally, i say it's misleading because if i just casually glance over those screenshots and details to then try out a sample game. I will feel mislead because i read that MZ has "the most assets in RM history!" yet, the only asset used is the new battle system and nothing else. It just wouldn't make any sense to me. But I do see where you're coming from when you say these sample games could be made with the goal to inspire developers that want to see how flexible RM's engine is, with their own custom resources. i think that's great and it pushes for more game diversity to be shown when it comes to that. However personally as a casual RM user, i just think it would be better to show off the capabilities of what can be made with just and only MZ's RTP. You are investing nearly $100 into this software, so why not show what is possible right now with MZ.

[@neosoulgamer5662]

@@Scarecrohh Gotcha. That makes sense. I can't really disagree with you there.

[@jonathanlu8984]

I'm just broke after the steam summer sale

[@neosoulgamer5662]

Congrats on the 1k subscribers bro! With regards to the video... I can't really say you're wrong in anything that was said. I'm just not sure I agree with holding sample games to that kind of standard, considering the limited time. Also, you make a great argument regarding RTP in Sample games. I'm on the fence about this one, but just to give another perspective... Imo, the sample games are supposed to provide a solid example of what can be done with the engine. Doesn't necessarily mean you have to showcase RTP. The RTP is shown in several screenshots when looking at the engine in Steam or on the Website. So you already see what you're getting along with screenshots of the sample maps. Personally, it's hard for me to discourage the use of RTP in completed projects, then get upset when someone is setting the expectation for custom art to be used. Especially when it can inspire people to make unique games. And that's ultimately what I want as a fan of the genre. All the best bro!

[@kv_kingdom365]

I like that the sample games we have exist, but the Japanese sample games were pretty cool and had a lot of variety too; I suspect, if they were translated, they would address at least some of the complaints as at least one of them appears to use the RTP assets.

[@Fransadiwinata]

it looks like the wolf's gang used a custom plugins too, especially for location menu option.

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Yeah I just realized after making this video that there were actually 5 custom plugins used in (at least) Wolf's Gang I believe.

[@Rue669]

This is a great channel. Thanks for your honest critiques. I feel like a lot o the things you're saying are stuff a lot of people are thinking but not saying out loud. Unfortunately though...I do not have stepping sounds in my game. Oh, I'm a sinner.

[@MrBabydove]

"Both of these games didn't give a shit about my time." THIS. I find such games offensive to modern era players.

[@meadowmorph3291]

Both my son and I purchased RPG Maker MZ. James has experienced this tool, but it was my first time in decades playing with blocks. Of course, James dove in, beginning multiple games until one emerged a solid contender. He also purchased a boatload of other tile sets and add-ons. He's made a rather good surface map and developed an outstanding "First Town" intro area. My efforts, on the other hand, used the seminal package offered with the game. I have my little, bobble-headed bunch tripping along, out of the deep wood where they come across an inn with an apple orchard, a lively pond (exploring the animation), and a chicken coop with a rooster standing atop the roof, eyeing his bevy of hens and clutch of chicks.... *sigh* My thoughts are directed toward the visual components of the original, out-of-the-box tools given the buyer. They are inadequate, disappointing, and are unnecessarily tedious to paste together an effective visual experience; one that immediately immerses the player into your world. In other words, the beginning of every game looks like the beginning of every other game developed on the many iterations of RPG Maker. This, perhaps, is why you are no longer feeling the love. If a new indie game developer wants their game to be the next major indie event, the first few minutes of play-time has to grab the audience's attention, and scream "I am different and worthy". If we are not allowed to do that, I'm afraid our delightfully imaginative story will never survive the click of the ESC Key of dismissal. The potential guest will move on to find something that feels ... different. The hook is everything. One more thing ... how did bobble-headed freaky children become the norm when it comes to main characters? Look, I know true adult dimensions are unlikely to be used as the new standard for human PCs and NPCs, but aren't we getting rather tired of trying to create a game with some dark elements using a cast of characters who look like they stepped out of a Hallmark shop? Why are we not offered more of an RPG Maker XP look? Seriously, RPG Maker is going to have to reconsider ALL the choices if it wants to stay on top. Someone's going to develop a better idea ... something called RPG "Creator", perhaps. I've had a lot of fun making my hens and chicks move at different intervals and speeds. It's a kick playing around with this. However, there are many who want this to yield something more, and someone else will build it. that's all, folks. P.S. For future areas, I'll be changing the tiles to something more sophisticated, and adding new apps to my war chest. I may just be playin', but I want to create something that breaks the molde. I believe I have a good story to weave.

[@iamLI3]

wow , it sounds like the first rpgm project i made would have been a better sample game to use than these ones o: 20 minute playtime , no grinding , no custom sprites or tilesets (outside some minor photoshop edits) , balanced , and actually shows off more than the engine's capabilities since i figured out my own way to animate the enemies for the front view battle (which i've also made tutorial videos for btw)

[@11maxout89]

I want to ask as someone who used rpg maker mv is it better than vx ace?

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Well I never used VX Ace, but MV is (in my biased opinion) a very good engine I would highly recommend.

[@RafaelLoki]

I think I would be more happy if they improve the RTP pack in these games. The art is so apart, and if don't know how to mimic the art style they will be useless. A sample game with a decent structured house would be educative, show the engine and add some new graphics to the ever lacking RTP. Don't even need a good story. Just a ex-merc whos house got destroyed by a dragon and needs to do some random jobs to fix it. But that's me lol.

[@bisdakaraokeatbp]

I am currently working on my game and just started learning about RPGmaker MZ, but as a first try, I am learning the basics fitst and I haven't used any plugin yet.for now coz wanna know how far the engine can go.

[@masteryoraerasante]

Not sure about the other one, but Archeia was one of the main member of the people that developed MZ and, I think, MV too. At least she was their representative both to the potential buyers and, from her words, the Kadokawa team that limits what they could or not add.

[@jesseroberts1041]

Goddamit. So just by using mv-mz im supporting her -_- I despise her cause she kicked me off the rpgmaker discord…for wanting to help others with technical stuff. Apparently in her mind, ONLY officials on the server could help others, so nobody can ask for help there no matter what, cause she doesnt wanna help others/hire others to help.

[@rubygoodberry]

Toasty will give a like and a heart to this comment.

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

How did u know are u me?

[@michaelcope763]

Agreed. These are not 'sample' games. The games that many plugin makers include with their plugins are sample games because they show off the plugin - usually using RTP graphics and audio.

[@dodderythedromedary6890]

10:39 that aged interestingly :/

[@StrawberryFox56]

Better than simple story Alex

[@IReadTooMuchCrap]

Maybe you're getting RPG Maker burnout. I heard the Godot engine is free, maybe you can check that out to bring some zest back, and compare it to RPG Maker.

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Yeah I’m definitely considering branching out into other engines once my current RPGMaker project is completed. Most likely I’m gonna move towards trying to learn how to code though, as that’s an invaluable skill that I don’t have...XD

[@ehehinski8237]

@@Toastyfunnyguy Hey man, that's just my opinion but if you want to branch out into other engines, I'd love to see the ones that aren't already highly covered, stuff like Visual Novel Maker, or SRPG Studio, or Pixel Game Maker, or Adventure Game Studio, or...dunno what else. But ya know, it's just my opinion, it belongs in the same place as coleslaw - in the trash.

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Eh Ehiński No your opinion isn’t trash! I really appreciate what you’re saying, and if I had an infinite wealth of money to spend on those engines I totally would cover them XD But, as it stands rn I just can’t with my current financial situation, but, someday...

[@ehehinski8237]

@@Toastyfunnyguy Damn, right, fair point, things cost money, forgot about that.

[@chrisfortin4933]

Omg toasty I miss your videos, you are hilarious and I binge your videos. Please come back to us

[@royclimer4311]

Hey toasty I think you couldn't be more right about a sample project you want to show off what the RTP is capable of I wouldn't use plugins I wouldn't use custom art custom sound effects custom music cuz at the end of the day I sample project should be showcasing the engine and what the engine has to offer

[@SomethingScotty]

I hate it when games open up with an exposition dump. It only works in rare occasions like Fallout 3/4, and the only reason why it worked there was because the narrator was cool as hell. Skyrim tried it with the intro ride as a prisoner but missed the mark. I would much rather figure out how the world got to the state it's in through gameplay and or exploration, not a 30 minute wall of text telling me.

[@korytoombs886]

Well if they ever ask me to make a sample game, I'll make a puzzle game with no combat. No battles! Just for you Toasty!

[@Disthron]

Isn't RPG Maker primarily for JRPG style games with turn-based combat?

[@kracktive1470]

how old are you now? considering you found out about rpg maker since the age of 9

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

I’m turning 16 in September!

[@carolyns99]

@@Toastyfunnyguy At the risk of sounding like a condescending old lady - I think you have very well developed critical faculties for such a young man. You have the courage to give your honest opinion and also acknowledge your error (regarding the assets). Your ability to form your own opinion about things despite knowing that it may be unpopular (and to articulate it) will stand you in good stead in all things in life. There, granny moment over! PS. You have a great voice - very pleasant to listen to.

[@KitR]

Hey old toasty, love your new vids. But this video was so hypocritical. Youd rather these 2 games use the default assets to show off the engine. But you also wish they didnt use the default combat and instead, be a puzzle/walking game? Should sample games be unique or not? Future toasty, ignore this. Just speaking my mind lmao

[@rinkun6689]

the only think mz has that’s alright is the battle ui. I like the look but then again U can get some plug-in to change it to that in mv I’m sure..

[@Joshua-ew6ks]

You can use all the assets of the sample games in your game. forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?threads/rpg-maker-mz-official-english-sample-games-by-degica.125920/

[@grass324]

I just want a RPG maker on Android 😢😢😢

[@Nirwanda001]

While i agree about the sample games needing to showcase more of the engine and rtp, I gotta say i'll stay behind turn based battles and atb forever, i love them. I don't mean this in a bad way, btu you sound bitter in this video, man. Are you okay? Btw, have you checked the jp sample games?

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Not bitter, just getting a lil tired. And no, I haven’t checked out any of the Japanese sample games.

[@PhantomBlackStar]

0:00 (start) -- 0:50 (end) , at the end of this bit , i responded after laughing abit, oh S**t.... Then laughed again.

[@Shyningfade]

As someone who actually loves MZ and the improvements it brings - I completely agree with all of the points made here. I think the main thing these games end up doing is inspiring you to think, "Graphics aside, I can do better than this" and that's contrary to what a sampler should provide.

[@misterdovah3016]

I just discovered your channel, I am new to this Maker Universe and in less than a year I saw 3 streamers saying bye to it. Sad. But I understand. Need new breathing, right? About the sample games, I completely agree, no rtp is not fair about the real engine default. I hope to see more from you (u r funny). Greetings from Brazil. C ya.

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Don’t worry man I’m not leaving 😎 Content might evolve, that’s for certain, but ima still do rm stuff for a while longer!

[@NicDoesDumbThings]

I don't get the hatred for turn based combat when you're literally making RPGs

[@Disthron]

I think you should check out Unity or Construct 3, they are very good engines with a thriving community and a lot of support.

[@CarlosSilva-bh4bi]

Tbh, to me, they seem to be OK on showing features, but they lacked something A good writer, they made cozy games instead of something of good quality, had they searched for people making great fan games like Off or something else and offered them Job, god those sample games would be legendary Also, they lacked the fact that they needed someone creative tonuse the mechanics The devs are gods making plugins, but lacked ideas to use them

[@ReginaldMilesG7]

“I hate turn-based combat” Then why the hell are you RPG maker youtuber then?

[@Toastyfunnyguy]

Do I have to love everything I critique? There’s other aspects to RPGMaker games I am able to judge as well, they aren’t just turn based combat.

[@ReginaldMilesG7]

RPGtime You don’t need to love everything you critique is just that, being a RPG maker channel while disliking the main thing the engine is made for is just strange. I know RPG Maker can make other kind of games, it’s just that if that your reviewing RPG maker stuff, I wouldn’t think you would have some amount liking Towards the Main type of game rpgs are known for. It’s like making videos on Star Wars when you aren’t interested in the Jedi or Sith stuff.

[@fallenfeather5178]

@@ReginaldMilesG7 him not innately liking turn based combat is literally one of the BEST things about this channel as well as the brute honesty, one of the biggest issues in this community is the lack of honest criticism, even if harsh. My biggest pleasure on this channel is when toasty falls head over heels in love with an rpg maker game. If you notice each video the toasty avatar has an expression which let's you know if it was good or bad or indifferent so seeing the happy avatar makes you go "this game got toasty's approval?? this game MUST be good!" and by the end of the review you wanna play the game your damn self cuz he has good taste. And yeah truth be told turn based is outdated, he doesn't need to love it if everything else falls in place like story thats major too. I personally think if your trying to make a commercial rpg maker game and you don't get drifty and toasty's seal of approval your doing yourself a disservice their the yanfly of lets play reviews right now. #rantover

[@ReginaldMilesG7]

Fallen Feather Ok a couple of things. 1. How is him not liking turn based combat of the best things about the Channel? Gameplay is probably one of the most important aspects of a game, and him not really liking those types of games is kinda not a great thing when that’s the primary type of game he reviews, since you will either A.Might ignore any innovation or any game play changing features that makes it different from others. Or B.Acknowledge those facts but down play them or dislike them due the lack of interest in the Genre. C. Acknowledge them and *may* like them. Now I’ll be honest I’ve only watched one or two videos on toasty boy Channel so he may be a lot better than what I suggest earlier but I think inherently that’s not a great thing, since as he said himself he just want to get Through to combat just so he can do other things. 2. This thing about “good taste” What do you mean by that exactly? Why are his taste good or better then the rest? I’d barely know anything about toasty outside of the fact he’s doesn’t really like RPG part of RPG maker, and he dislikes these game. Which aren’t Really determinators of taste in my book, I really know much about his taste so I can’t really agree with anything your saying. 3. How are turnbased game outdated? Like I’m curious, sure there are something turnbased game can’t other Genres can’t because that’s applies to every genre. Like what do you even mean? Because there a decent amount turn based games that sell pretty well even to this day. And a lot of favorite games come from this category, so if I make a commercial RPG Maker It would probably be in the style so toasty opinions probably won’t mean much to me Since he doesn’t like the genre, it would be fine to get his perspective but i Think I would probably take it with less focus then someone else reviewing the game.

[@DemiGodX]

Fallen Feather it just shows he new to rpgs. That’s like a guy reviewing fighting games and declaring how he hates combos. That’s like someone who reviews hip hop music and declares he hates lyricism. We can tell a ‘09er from a og. Nothing against new fans to the genre though but they don’t really know anything about Rpgs if their first introduction to it is kingdom hearts or whatever. Those who grew up with the nes and snes had to deal with hardware limitations, they weren’t spoiled so they still had fond memories of how the turn based system captured their imaginations when technology was limited. That stuff is kinda lost to today’s generation because they’re spoiled and don’t know of the limitations in old Rpg games. U can’t really expect today’s kids to appreciate a game like Chrono trigger because they’re feature whores. But those who are fascinated by history and period pieces may admire the turn based system and other aspects of it. Today’s gamers expect widescreen 4K stuff so they may see a full screen rpg and scoff at it however most old heads still prefer 4:3 rpgs

[@allybunny9496]

I second that on the horror aspect

[@Jonaelize]

Love your videos! Hope you make more.

[@tldrafaik6144]

Don miguel's adventure on rpg maker 2k was waaaay better....😑

[@Chrono-MR]

When it comes to RPG Maker the default system sucks ass anyway, the point was to just show off features and the games did that.. but they were fucking boring.

[@vilaintrolltrollinsky8007]

Thanks you toasty you are good funny and talented.

[@HidesOurFace]

Great video, you got a new subscriber although personally I like grinding in RPGs

[@lakeslake4122]

Soulja boy tell em

[@sterus2283]

Dude do more research next time, the assets are all free to use for anyone owning the engine, lol. Sorry but you totally failed this time.

[@sterus2283]

@@wrenwoodard1077 Quiet, kid.

[@sterus2283]

@@wrenwoodard1077 He is spreading nonsense and false info. This is not criticism.

[@krimsonkatt]

@@sterus2283 Bruh he liked your comment. He agrees that he messed up, and pinned a comment in which he replied, clarifying his views. You are the immature one in this scenario.

[@CritStanley]

5:13 "honestly I just hate rpg maker combat in general" Well good thing my games made in MV have real time battle systems like a good ol' Zelda game.

[@Roguedeus]

This is the reason I had to stop reviewing (on steam), and flat ignore, every Degica published game on the internet.

[@FlameEffigy]

Good vid.

[@RpgBlasterRpg]

Yeahhhh... enough of those rpg maker 2D better give yume rpg toolkit a chance which is ACTUALLY a rpg maker 3D after all

[@alvideos2145]

It's ok, that art wasn't that great.

[@KVR020]

Why are you so negative all the time? Honest question, no hate.

[@myplaylist7007]

0:06 - Oh no oh no .... oh no oh no oh no.... she listed her pronouns ... *CRINGE*

[@ryanb3959]

I'm in agreement with this video. The sample games should showcase the actual game engine not use Custom Images/Custom Sprites as it gives a false impression to someone who is thinking of buying MZ. Speaking as someone who lacks artistic skills if I didn't have VX Ace already and thinking of buying MZ, I would believe those images are in the actual engine, and would expect I would have the ability to make as decent sprites/buildings as what they show. My skill is in world-building/lore and unique "mechanics". I also know a few programming languages, but lack any type of drawing skills. I would be very disappointed to buy this thinking "Hey this will allow me to make a great looking game" only to find out what is in the box is completely different and reminiscences of old JPRGs. Not to mention it seems these sample games didn't showcase any new mechanics really aside from the combat....

[@preguicagames7963]

I didnt beat the game cause Its boring af hahahahaha

[@eternaldestiny5232]

Games made by "artist" what did you expect ? Obviously they will do things they are good for, make graphisms, tiles, maps, characters etc... but the rest will be horrible. All the demonstration side of the rpg maker is not their problem, they make pubs for them, not for the software x) Kinda sad indeed.