RS CLIO 172 CUP - What's It Like To Drive? ON TRACK REVIEW

[@eddie55599]

It was a pleasure letting you experience My track pig. 👍

[@tropicalparsoon]

Loving this series Danny, top content!

[@Stephenx77]

I've had 2 172 cups and an EP3 (still got a 172 cup). The gearbox in the EP3 is way ahead of the old JC5 box in the Clio, both in terms of feel and longevity. The engines in both cars feel fairly similar standard, although a K20 has a lot more tuning potential! Both are fairly similar in terms of straight line speed. Where the Clio shines, is in driver engagement and feeling connected to the car. I would say, an EP3 wins on the engine and gearbox front and the Clio wins on the chassis front. Both great cars in their own right.

[@kaesh78]

I wonder what a K-swapped clio would go like?

[@powerpulls7363]

Had loads of both, the clio feels more nimble as it has weight on its side, however that being said the EP3 will actually hang on in any corner the same as the clio it just doesn’t give you confidence inspiring feedback.

[@clio2rsminicup]

False sorry, Honda Civic EP3 not in the sport city car segment like the Clio. If you want to compare it to an RS, you have to do it with the Megane for which it is in the segment, so the Megane 2 RS mk1.

[@Stephenx77]

@@clio2rsminicup They're not technically in the same segment, but both are certainly comparable. Both are 2 litre naturally aspirated hot hatches with near identical power to weigh ratios from the same era.

[@deanodrives4966]

The k20 is the better engine without a doubt, but for me the Clio has always felt a bit more "fun." Nimble and more confidence inspiring in the bends in general. Plus for me steering feel is a big one so that marks an EP3 down quite a lot

[@MartinEkh]

had both EP3 was really great and very powerfull NA engine after mods, but car was boring for me. Clio/ Fiesta rocks

[@gpajic1987]

EP3 steering is arse

[@css172]

Top man Eddie for giving Dan a go in your Clio. Nice driving as usual mate.

[@craigb4719]

These videos are getting better Good to see you ragging different cars 👍🏻👏🏻

[@dannyDC2]

I would normally try to disassociate from that word but ragging a Clio is the way of the track day

[@TestDrive111]

As you had a go in that nice Clio, i would like to give you a go in (my) gti180 trackcar. ☺️

[@-DC-]

Always enjoyed this generation Clio even the smaller engine versions are great to batter along, always had something about them 👍

[@davyboy888]

Great to see you test this and a really good synopsis. I race Rotax Max karts and have a 182 [as well as some E46s etc...]. The driving position is exactly as you say, bolt upright. You feel like you're on the car rather than in it. Turn in on the 182 is fantastic, particularly on very tight corners. Few cars do it as well and it's where a Clio will gain most time over a lap. In fact around a lot of the tighter UK tracks, a Clio will embarrass more expensive kit because of that. The Ultima didn't gain massively over the Clio when it came to the very tight bits - and that was a surprise. The F4R is a decent enough engine, hard to do much to because it's a long stroke, but pokey enough in stock form. The box is a weak point and the best car to get is the proper UK Cup LHD racer with the Sadev sequential in it. They're very hard to come by and fetch close to £20K, but are fantastic. Clio or EP3 ? Probably Clio for me.

[@andylaunchbury8539]

Another belter Danny! Babe is a special Clio! Looked fast and furious in the cockpit. No wonder you were hot when you came back in 😂 well played sir 👌🏻

[@dmiller010187]

Been watching the channel for years & “what’s it like to drive?” is some of the best content! 👏👏

[@NickRS1]

Properly set up chassis on this, I came over to speak to Eddie about the spec as it was wasting me through the bends! I was in the inferno orange clio

[@georgivasilev9895]

Clio 197 all day every day. Is better in any way. Have to try mine sometime. Will be surprise and probably will fell in love with them . Good video by the way 👍

[@dannyDC2]

Wouldn’t be as fast though ?

[@georgivasilev9895]

@@dannyDC2 will be faster 🏎🏁💨 1080 kg 250 pure NA ponies helps 😋

[@dannyDC2]

You didn’t tell me it had a Honda engine

[@georgivasilev9895]

@@dannyDC2 no NA Clio engine.

[@lucianocelestino8208]

@@georgivasilev9895 the f4r is a serious NA engine

[@quicknickdriver8510]

That did look like lots of fun. Intake noise in the mid range phwoar. Those engines love to rev! Thanks Danny, good show.

[@dannyDC2]

Short box and light flywheel might be tricking the “love to rev” but it definitely felt like it loved getting out of corners

[@tomm9716]

Really great driving man, aspire to rag my 182 like that one day

[@youbannedmealready5825]

Your observations from the rear cornering behavior was spot on. You described the difference between the Honda trailing arm suspension and the rear beam axle. You might even notice it’ll prefer turning to one side more than the other lol.

[@AngelFloyd27]

993 and 555, those are some good numbers mate

[@gavinoliver8074]

Mint editing at the beginning Dan

[@MrNurdiboy]

Love this content :-) Did you manage to speak to the owner of the ep3? Those flames were mental! for me, choice would be Clio i reckon

[@dannyDC2]

The owner of the EP3 is a bit of a legend in northern Honda scene. I can’t remember if he’s in the vlog or not but he definitely helped a lot and got a mention

[@aevans148]

Stevie 🤙

[@krisgebruers8471]

We'd love to see you driving a Caterfield one day ;)

[@jameslovell3684]

Trying to rev it like a k20 😂 poor f4r 😂

[@Mrwhatsmyname10]

Good stuff Dan! I’ve got a 182 and the rev match is more of a muscle memory thing rather than being intuitive. I’ve always put it down to the fly by wire throttle which can feel a split second behind at times.

[@KieranDpreborn]

Looked like great fun. Made some nice adjustments to your driving after learning the car. Had a trackday at Snetterton 300 with a fair few of these around, they like to tripod. Great video.

[@danielcgomez]

need to get Dan up past 100K+ Subs! ...priceless content!

[@iliasmetalworks]

Best car content action for the summer holidays.

[@georgestreisel7920]

Hope the mr2 is back up quickly

[@JamieD1994]

The EP3 only redeeming feature is the engine. You'd have to pick the Clio I think.

[@johnmitchell2269]

Significantly better gearbox in the EP3.

[@TheMick26]

Hey Danny.👋 I'm really diggin' these WILTD track editions. We didn't get a lot of these cars in the US, especially souped up like this one, so it's great to see what we've been missing. Big Shoutout to Eddie for letting you give his Clio a review.🙌 I knew it was good when I heard you let out the Homer (8(O) Woo-hoo! of approval. It keeps a hell of a good pace considering the power supposedly under 200. The turn in and braking look awesome! Cool little machine that punches well above its weight.👊 The gearbox sounds kinda scary though, but going into 5th was nearly seamless. Overall, solid performance from you and the 172.👏 Keep these reviews coming, mate. I'm damn proud to be a part of this channel. Cheers, dude.

[@dannyDC2]

Cheers Mick, nice words as always. I do wonder what the engagement figures will be like on this one considering my Honda videos usually get as many US viewers as they do UK!

[@D4VE26]

Yes Dan... i own a 172 cup, so im glad to see you drive one! 👍

[@lonelyslav7327]

Danny is pumping these videos out...nice

[@fonzeyontrack5212]

Had a couple of 182s and regrettably never tracked either. I always felt steering was really over assisted on them but that might have just been shit tyres and/or geo. Need to drive a properly setup one I think. Good video 👍

[@dannyDC2]

This one swapped the OEM PAS for an electric one. It felt pretty good tbh

[@stoneautomotive]

Try a RODE Lav microphone if you want in helmet camera voice recording, for £30-40 they clip inside the helmet and work really well for audio with high external noise (use one for motorbike reviews myself) and simply saves the file to a smartphone which can be synced when back on the computer 👍

[@dannyDC2]

I have a few Rode mics, good shit. But I don't want to do that as it's pushing the limits of what you can and can't do on a trackday imo.

[@fgewfee]

Great serie of videos, keep going!!

[@simongb7897]

Got a 182 if you get the nose in the corner it will get round but sometimes it does feel like its slinging the back round as an after thought.Gearbox not great, but lots and lots of feel.

[@Sebbbbbb2335]

I contemplated for a few months whether to get a clio or ep3 I went for ep3 in the end as I had mates who had them and the sound vtec made me want one but at trackdays watching ppl drive clios they seem a lot more chuckable makes me wish I’d bought one

[@eddie55599]

Well, when i was contemplating getting back into trackdays, my choice was either 7 style again, EP3 or a Clio. I was convinced by @ruskiweldshit that a Clio was gonna be a cheap and good fun car.. he was right about the fun part. 😂

[@marijnkramer6897]

Clio 🙌🏻

[@therickman1990]

Content is getting better and better Dan, keep it up!

[@CYMRU619]

Nearly bought a standard one a few yrs back, crap driving position and sloppy gearshift ruined it for me. Can't beat them for a cheap track car though, and galvanised from factory so no rust!

[@dannyDC2]

Yeah they have their flaws like all cars but definitely a fun package

[@russhopkins724]

Clio everyday

[@Scottyschannelmtb]

Sweet driving brother 🤘🏻👊🏻🤘🏻

[@MomentumThief]

My first car was a 1.4 clio and was a right laugh in the corners

[@fazehaytornator1238]

8:40 flamey boi

[@TommyRedeye]

Loving this series. Would be great to see you take out a clio 200 at some point

[@daveclarke100]

Great vid, nice to hear your thoughts on Eddies Clio. When you get the seat position correct (or as correct as you can) for yourself, heel and toeing isn't a problem. Also, it's just over 197bhp I believe :)

[@dannyDC2]

I’d have thought more with the mods but his dyno shows just under 200. Surprised it’s not more, I think he can claim 200 for me

[@GasManLS7]

They don't normally get over 200 on standard inlet/throttle body. Cams, exhaust, matched inlet, induction kit and remap is normally about 190bhp

[@eddie55599]

"BABE" was Mapped by Efi-parts and it runs 197hp and 171.8ftlbs.

[@GasManLS7]

@@eddie55599 strong figures 💪

[@alexheath7828]

Really enjoying the track reviews Dan , recording quality is brilliant as well. Choice wise though i’ve had both Clio and ep3 , I think the Clio is cheaper to run on track (work well on 15” wheels for example so tyre cost is a lot less!) lighter generally cheaper to fix and after market parts on to pricey (pure motorsport make some interesting stuff) Found it overall more engaging then the civic like you said Somones building a k20 powered Clio which might just be the ultimate

[@jeancharlesrabaux5658]

C est vraiment une super voiture ❤

[@andygarcia6619]

Great vid 💪🏻

[@bashes1]

My mostly-stock Clio 182 Cup on r-comps laps my local track at the same pace my E46 M3 on AD08Rs laps it. They're a really capable chassis with a decent engine from factory. Proper forever cars them two, bloody good vid Dan.

[@bashes1]

And for rev matching, as the pedal box is so close, you're best off rolling the outside of your foot ala e36, rather than heel-toe blipping as it can come off too aggresive. The flywheel is light and the gears are so short, it spins up really easily with just a touch.

[@dannyDC2]

This flywheel extra light too eh

[@constantinrenoir8273]

Great man, your test videos are awesowe, and your driving skills so impressive! Good job bro! Thank you very much for the pedalcam, I hope that you will keep this view for your next videos and that you will continue this kind of serie please! :D

[@khaaaaaaaaaannn]

I love my 182, despite the driving position and vague gearbox. A friend of mine has an EP3 which he bought on my recommendation and it's great, but there's just so much more character in the Clio. Performance is pretty similar between them, on a B road you wouldn't be able to separate them. And as lovely as the K20 is, there's something really fun about the agricultural feeling F4R in the Clio. I'm going to buy new pedals though because I just can't heel and toe reliably with the standard Clio pedals.

[@edh7492]

Nice! Put a 225 Megane lump in and jobs a sausage 👌 Try and find a sorted saxo or 106 to test it’s a better chassis.

[@Ewtlldo]

Belter once again Dan! Seems like the Clio chassis has a slight advantage over the Ep3 but the K20/6speed gives the Ep3 more appeal for me personally. Great series mate. Mullets looking strong now aswell 💪

[@dannyDC2]

I wouldn't say the clio chassis has any advantage but it does have weight on its side

[@jonboyy1327]

Your footwork always impresses me. Been waiting for this upload ! Loving all these recent uploads Danny.

[@FatboySlim108]

Where was the microphone, in the engine bay? Those downshift barks with light flywheel sounds pretty epic!

[@grindlayg]

Not driven either but used to have an fn2 I would like an ep3 but family life 🤪

[@powerpulls7363]

Having owned loads of clios and loads of EP3’s I think if I had to have one of the two for the track it would have to be the EP3. The ep3 can match the clio in corner speed and have a greater acceleration / straight line speed. Also the aftermarket for the civic makes it a car that can be tuned specifically to your needs. The clios are great fun and capture the old skool feeling of a light hot hatch whilst giving a few of the modern things like PAS, Electric windows ABS and air con in the non cup models (although some cups came with air con) I’m in the process of finding a 172 cup to keep along with my ep3 as I think they’re both the best hot hatches of their generation.

[@peteyscarantics9047]

Fooking epic again Danny!!! Yes the gearboxes on the clios are like they are made of glass🤔🤨 I've also got a rs tuning mapped clio 197 and mine is very notchy when you start driving it very hard 😔 it would be nice if you could mate a ford box of some description into them 🤔 keep the hows it like to drive vids coming dan brilliant yet again 👌👍

[@powerpulls7363]

You need to go out in Luke Hancox’s K20 swapped clio, I imagine it’s the best of both worlds, a cheaper version of a kswap dc2 or Ek9 with the same performance in chassis / engine.

[@dannyDC2]

Doubt it

[@powerpulls7363]

@@dannyDC2 You think it will be better or worse?

[@timmayyy]

Love the comments on what you are when driving. Have you thought about doing track guide type videos? I think you will be able to help lots of folks with your insights.

[@dannyDC2]

Not immediately I wouldn't say there's a track out there I could guide anyone on

[@timmayyy]

@@dannyDC2 I think you are too modest. Just talk about what you know is a good feeling in the various corners and what you are thinking on way in. E.g. good exit onto a long straight more important than speed in etc. Been watching your channel for a long time and you definitely have good feel for track driving. Keep up the good work! It's your fault I have civic type R!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@philroberts1761]

Top review again 👍 I'm Honda fan boy, had loads and still got my dc5. Last year I bought a st170 for a cheap track car and it's such fun And so capable ! Should put one on your how's it on track list :)

[@dickie8184]

That'll do.

[@rockyroad1780]

I had one of these at the same time as my DC2. Unfortunately it was a complete lemon, engine was a bag of spanner’s, gearbox felt horrible and I always thought the rear scuffed along when you turned in like it wasn’t connected to the front. It broke down 3 times in 6 weeks so sold it to a very dodgy guy who drilled french number plates into the bonnet and boot on my driveway - never been so happy to see the back of a car. Would love to have a go in one that wasn’t such a poor example!

[@marksmith1560]

I had a track spec one also great little car 👍

[@warwickstingray]

The Honda engine is a master piece but the long stroke F4R is such a work horse. Feels much more like a well executed home cooked tuned engine of old. The Honda feels bought and lacks the nostalgia for those old enough to remember.

[@kawasakizh2rider106]

Basically the clio needs a k20 and it would be king overall 🤣

[@dannyDC2]

Wouldn’t go that far

[@tobystent]

Lightweight flywheel/clutch setups are always so odd to rev match with. Seems like a cool little car!

[@dannyDC2]

Been fine in every Honda ever lol

[@tobystent]

Yea for sure, gearboxes work a little better in them too so everything happens a bit faster

[@nathanhewitt3920]

Yes Dan 😊 great vid, no exactly where your coming from iv gone from ep3s and now have a 182 cup fast road/track. At 1st I wasn’t sure but now i don’t think I would go back.completely different cars to drive. Plus the Clio actually makes some tourqe 😉.

[@dannyDC2]

Is the peak torque that much different between them? Not just the less weight you’re feeling?

[@nathanhewitt3920]

Yeah definitely the weight plays a big part, I no stock the figures are pretty similar.

[@nathansmith1297]

Gnarly video my dude

[@jeancharlesrabaux5658]

Good cars

[@ocracing6102]

Really didn’t think you’d like it to be honest. Maybe you should try a k20 Clio next

[@EliteAlex000]

I want to see your thoughts on a sorted Fiesta ST MK7! Would be interesting!

[@Roundholesinsquarepegs]

Me too as I own one, not a stock one though he needs to try a stage 2 or 3

[@EliteAlex000]

@@Roundholesinsquarepegs I’ve got one as well so i know they’re good to throw about! Mines only standard as well but agree. Anything over stage 2 and i’m sure it would be good content!

[@Roundholesinsquarepegs]

@@EliteAlex000 what are your honest opinions on a stock one? I hate the lack of 1st and 2nd gear, weak handles on the seat tilt mechanism, and the fact you have to really push the car to get going. When you do though it is fast for a very small turbo with restrictive breathing etc, I’m hopefully going from stock to stage 3 in 2022 if funds allow

[@EliteAlex000]

@@Roundholesinsquarepegs As a stock package I think it’s pretty good. It’s got a good amount of poke when provoked but you do have to have to be in the right gear. Good mpg if you’re careful. First and second are torque limited i think, something that a map can sort. If you want to tune it, the mk7 platform really has you spoilt for choice, and 300+bhp can be had for certainly sub £5k! I’ve heard the gearbox is not fantastically strong and the throw is long. I’ve got a short shifter on it which is really easy to fit and sorts it out a treat. I don’t like the build quality in that there are the odd rattles. The seats are good at holding you in in but i find not that great on a long journey, comfort wise. I’m always super careful when using those seat pulls too! The worst thing about it however is how bloody easy it is to steal - I worry every time I leave it anywhere! 🤦🏽‍♂️ Overall i’d say it’s a very good car for the money, and as a drivers car it’s definitely very fun to chuck into the bends!

[@Roundholesinsquarepegs]

@@EliteAlex000 I have been looking Into security myself although working night shift my car is with me 5 nights a week in a secured car park with cameras, but the paranoia on weekends living where I do is very real lol. As for tuning I can’t decide between aet, pumaspeed or laird, I just want to take the piss out of more expensive cars that have the snobbery on the road

[@Jackety123]

Kinda Confused why the mk3 golf wasnt an option in the Clio or Civic discussion. :')

[@georgivasilev9895]

I think because last track day 2 hondas and 3 Clios spin and red flag the track . I barely see mk3 apart of yours . Nice car by the way 👍

[@eternalextrapolations]

Yes I heard some metal grating noises that sounded unnerving. I wonder is the handling of the rear characteristic of torsion bar suspension. The 19 16v and 5GT were the same too I think. It sounded similar with the engine note that it became "cammy" around midrange, almost as though it has vtec, but has too low of a rev limiter while it sounds like it's still building power, but of course it would likely turn to shrapnel if shook harder. If only Renault were half as fastidious about engineering as Honda!

[@VeniFC]

It has variable valve timing that kicks in after 5k rpm

[@craigyt86]

Looking at that rear tyre wear it wants some negative camber and some toe out! Thatll help reduce the dragging its arse feeling!

[@miniduds]

Nice vid. Love a cup. Sounds like you’re a bit aggressive blipping the loud pedal on downshifts. It’s tricky to get right with such a low inertia flywheel

[@dannyDC2]

Yeah probably, can’t imagine it would be much lighter than what I had on the dc2 but that was cable throttle. A lot of time is wasted making sure it was in gear…

[@miniduds]

@@dannyDC2The drive-by-wire latency makes it harder. It becomes more muscle memory rather than using ears I think. Agreed, much easier with a cable. This baguette might benefit from one of those throttle map piggy backs to make it easier to modulate on the blip. Gearbox’s aren’t nice on them either. You can’t rush the shifts with the construction du fromage syncro’s and the shift feel is light too so doesn’t inspire a huge amount confidence either. Even with the rose joint style shifters fitted. I’ve got one similar to this & pretty much agree with everything you said re: dynamic attributes 👍

[@eternalextrapolations]

@@miniduds Construction du fromage! Just the right term for the French gearboxes 😆 Papa? Nicole? Attention le gearbox du fromage frais 😅

[@tmusson151186]

You should try a clio with a k swap Danny.

[@johnmitchell2269]

Think about how old 172's are and the abuse they get given across all race tracks and on the roads. Yet they are still going, fair play. Same for DC2's, EK's and EP3's. These cars get pushed hard every time they are driven but a lot of them just refuse to die! The moment you push one of these 3 cylinder turbo cars though, they have issues.

[@sholehan]

The only reason Clios (and Fiestas, and 306s) have rear wheels is to stop them falling over. They dont do anything else useful! Good fun on the road but I reckon the more 'advanced' chassis with proper suspension all round are always gooing to be ultimately faster.

[@M3Saloon]

K20 clio, sorted

[@dannyDC2]

Not sure what that solves lol

[@M3Saloon]

@@dannyDC2 the clio gearbox is no more for starters

[@yuRikMD]

Danny, don't get me wrong but you can't put on the same scales all the cars you've been driven. They all have got different levels of upgrades, and they all are fun to drive in their way. Also, why do you say that steering on ep3 is crap? People race them in Civic Cup, etc. and they looks fine, no-one is complaining. P.S Please bring more Honda content 🙏. Get your dc2 sorted mate, people are definitely waiting for it! Thanks 😊

[@dannyDC2]

Ask anyone who races them, they will tell you the same

[@chedhead3278]

Cheers Dan, another great video. Clio or Civic? - yes, thankyou. Be interested to see what you made of a 306 Gti6 or even (whisper it quietly) a MG ZS180.

[@dannyDC2]

they're both on the list

[@JeremiBulakowski]

A trackday with oversteery bois from Camber & Combustion would be a perfect crossover episode.

[@chedhead3278]

@@JeremiBulakowski Black flag, black flag! :)

[@SOCIALLYDRIVEN]

Renault always wins 👏👏👏

[@Keane-to-clean]

Gearbox seems fair rough!

[@dafyddjones7471]

Hi from Anglesey. I’ve got a clio Rs200 which is a cracking handling car but would love to try one with K20 swap. Think it would make the ultimate 2 litre N/A hot hatch.

[@MRS-2ZZ]

Would be good to get you out in my MR2 2ZZ track car on full slicks sometime. See how it compares to your old K20 👌

[@dannyDC2]

Slicks are cheater tyres

[@chrismc1977]

Top little chassis with very on-the-nose handling, but let down by a ropey gearchange & lacks a bit of engine top end

[@edwardkarran4963]

Limiter bashing

[@misterLukeG]

I double clutch every rev match on my clio. the synchros are shocking

[@dannyDC2]

Pretty sure that will only have any effect on 1st and 2nd but yeah they don't feel strong

[@jeancharlesrabaux5658]

Si je récupère mon grall je ferait un jour plusieurs de vos circuit ❤❤😂

[@CbrHJ]

That white ep3 is stevie from Grinspeed leyland

[@dannyDC2]

Indeed

[@NexttGeneration]

Have you tested the MK3 Megane RS? They're quite common on track days and most people only buy them to track and as a current owner of one - I'd love to know what you think of once you manage to throw it around a track.

[@michaeladgo]

What’s your favourite biscuit?

[@adamholding3644]

We need a back to back with a Ep3 and clio of around the same specs as each other🤨

[@dannyDC2]

Well that ep3 I drove a few weeks ago was similar spec…

[@oscarzt1652]

3:08 oh danny its your gorgeous M3 just there when is the vijayo coming for that at angelsey?

[@dannyDC2]

Will be in at least a week, want to get the race video done first!

[@mil3486]

this is alot of fun to watch the attention to sound is great maybe worth getting a g force meter and some other telemetry on the go? also video 2 of asking ahah Is there anyone that races a 20VT mk 4 golf or A38l? ps isn't it caterham as opposed to caterfield? maybe im wrong and its a kit car with a knock off name but just thought id mention

[@dannyDC2]

Have to be careful with telemetry as you can’t time on trackdays… I’m sure G meter would be good. I want to get a heart rate monitor too

[@themaze617]

It would be good if you could borrow the super charged mini cooper or maybe a original ford puma ?

[@thegoat5009]

Now then Danny

[@dannyDC2]

Eyup

[@joshwattonS2000]

Out the box, suspension, chassis etc is mega. But the engines and boxes in these are just not it. Had 5 of them in the past, each had dodgy gearboxes and dropped a valve in one of them lol.

[@benrichards5160]

Mine had 5 engines, one of which I changed myself and then I completely lost faith in it 😂

[@joshwattonS2000]

@@benrichards5160 I know the feeling haha.

[@Spark972]

K-swap them ! 😂

[@benrichards5160]

@@Spark972 300 quid for a used F4R, I'd rather fit 20 of them as opposed to swapping 😂😂

[@oscarzt1652]

im getting the feeling like the gearbox is really hard to use

[@konholio2]

Recently I was wondering how some cars mnage to brake so good, is it just combination of rubber + brake disk, calliper, pads or does it have to do with the pump and booster(maybe lines)?