RSI Perseus vs Aegis Hammerhead Which is Better? | Star Citizen

[@karsonkammerzell6955]

Doesn't matter; they'll both get nerfed when CIG's excel spreadsheet shows they're killing to many ships.

[@natewagstaff2516]

Let’s hope they do

[@davewills6121]

Rebalanced you heathen, we dont need that COD mentality in our game, ''nerf'' is for tantrum throwing kids''.........REBALANCED,

[@TheHangman1995]

It's like Helldivers 2 nerfing weapons because they are too "reliable". I think a large part of the reason the corsair was being used to kill other ships was due to it being a more funcational ship than its connie competitor. Both can kill HRT, ERT threats pretty reliably, but the Corsair has more modern design and features.

[@kenryoshi]

oh no, how could we let the capital warships handle 6 fighters by itself?!

[@whatasaverl6456]

These two working together will be disgusting

[@marcuswynn89]

If multi crew was in a good spot yes

[@wellnesstribedpt]

I say that would be brutal for the opponent if they work together!

[@yikes3049]

bottom turret is still in that picture its just flush with the bottom for the ship, it supposedly extends out farther during combat. (you can see it behind the landing gear)

[@MaserJ0e]

also you can see the bottom turret as it have the number 02 on it like the top turret 01

[@melsy2]

I agree, the HammerHead deserves the same amount of counter measures that the Older C2 use to have

[@marcuswynn89]

Yeah it really does

[@PH03NIX96]

Old C2 only shot out 1 flare per button press right? Despite having like 125 flare charges. Hammerhead sends out 12 (6 per launcher) per button press. in my experience, that gets rid of pretty much everything with just 1 button press.

[@lampar20]

I feel all they would need to do is put in armor and basickly you would need a size 4 gun to even put any dmg on the hull of these frigit class ships. An Arrow killing a hammerhead is like a solder with an ak-47 blowing up a Tank. Sure a Tank will not be able to put a lock on it, if it runs around it but than again it doesn't care. Same logic should be implemented here.

[@marcuswynn89]

The should make it to where the light fighter needs to be close to the hammerhead to shoot it

[@lampar20]

​@@marcuswynn89 Um yes that is what they do. They stay close to it in a blind spot and shot it running circles around it. Small guns should not be able to penetrate large hulls period and than you will be forced to use the right ships for the job. Now a Razer can take out a Hammerhead and that makes no sense.

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

I have a hammerhead as a loaner while I’m waiting for my Perseus.

[@marcuswynn89]

I have a carrack to Perseus CCU I will apply it when the ship comes out

[@user-hq9fp8sm8f]

I got my Bengavelinaris Idris- X

[@Fantastiie]

12 months :D then it will be there

[@marcuswynn89]

@Plexiei maybe less then 12

[@user-hq9fp8sm8f]

@@marcuswynn89 2039

[@drdgaming9757]

The VLS would be cool if they used small missiles that could take out torpedoes. Like a anti-air missile on modern ships.

[@MrButuz]

Things are gonna be up in the air and unrealistic until we get proper armor penetration. Thats when having small guns on a small fighter is going to be a disadvantage against bigger ships. I just love the look of the Perseus love at first sight.

[@chrisajokinen]

the ships need to be ready for engineering. SC has a lot of ships and if they wait until the engineering game play is in and then update the ships it just causes more of the back log. The release of the Perseus will either be ready within 4 months or if they up size it a tad it will be next year-ish

[@marcuswynn89]

I meant to say invictus

[@ericsortzi5669]

One big factor still not in the game as to how these large ships will perform relative to each other and relative to smaller fighters will be the introduction of ship armor. Currently, we're limited simply to outright damage against shield HP and then hull HP, with perhaps some per-ship adjustment to damage values. Without armor factored in, fighter-sized weapons largely have the same effect on hull HP as large weapons. The only difference is DPS. However armor changes this entirely. We don't know exactly how CIG will implement armor, but is has laid out a number of ideas it's looking at. One it has mentioned recently will be to have armor but just a different form of HP that, once worn away, will expose internal components to penetrating fire. But there has also been mention of armor resistance being a factor of weapon size. Thick armor on a ship will resist smaller weapons more than larger ones for instance. This changes the relationship between fighters and large ships dramatically. Fighters will likely have no trouble punching through the thin skins of other fighters but will struggle against the armor of big ships like the Hammerhead or Perseus. Weapons below a certain size may do little to no damage at all to big ships. Groups of fighters may still be able to wear down a big ship, but it's gonna be a lot harder. Canonically, as part of the design of the Perseus, this ship is supposed to feature unusually thick armor. I remember there being a lot of discussion in years past about the Polaris having much bigger shields than the Perseus, but the Perseus having much more armor; and, how in the scope of how the game had been designed at the time, the armor had not been a good trade-off for shields. However, in the future, that seems to change. Having a lot of armor means a ship is going to have to have a big gun to be a threat to you. And between the Hammerhead and Perseus, well... the Hammerhead will have far thinner armor and smaller weapons. Head-to-head there should be no doubt the Perseus will come out on top. Realistically, the Perseus should be quite a threat to a Polaris too. But this is all speculation until we know more about the final design of the Perseus and how armor will be handled.

[@marcuswynn89]

All that means is you’ll just die slower because the fighters will stay at range and you’ll have little to no ability to hit them back

[@AvatarSampai]

Perseus is better it has a lower crew requirement then the Hammerhead. The most important cost for any Ship in the Game is the "Player Price" - You can have 2 Perseus with the same amount of players as a single Hammerhead.

[@marcuswynn89]

this is true

[@caintindal1671]

Means it can take less critical hits than the Hammerhead.

[@Zombiesmoker]

​@@caintindal1671no, Perseus will have really thick armor, and is made to stay in battle for long and wear down bigger ships, and punch above its weight class. HH is nothing like Perseus.

[@caintindal1671]

@@Zombiesmoker Agree with you but it is a Missile boat so I woulld call it a strike weapon.

[@scrap_er]

The perseus is not an "anti-capital ship". Its an "anti-SUB-CAPITAL ship" they said it .

[@2324freedomgundam]

Came here to say the same thing. The job of the Perseus is to protect your fleet Capitals (Polaris, Idris, Javelin, etc) from other Sub-Capitals. Basically anything Connie to Perseus sized. But it will only work best in conjunction with a Hammerhead and a Polaris when it comes out. Hammerhead (HH) -> provides a fighter screen protecting Perseus and Polaris. Perseus -> provides sub-captial protection for the Polaris and HH. Polaris -> provides capital ship protection for the Perseus and HH. Works perfectly together.

[@Zombiesmoker]

Perseus is suppose to punch above its weight class. It will be updated with size 8 guns instead of s7 and size of the ship will grow a bit.

[@gymvulner1993]

@@ZombiesmokerI don’t think so. Where did you hear any of this ?

[@Zombiesmoker]

@@gymvulner1993 its litterly been said so many times. But about the s8 we'll see. But its made to wear down cap ships.

[@gymvulner1993]

@ where has this been said? And I’ve only ever heard size 7 guns

[@ShadowByNine]

Me an the Bois back in the day held down port Oli against every fighter and 2 other hammerheads. It was crazy, only went down because the last Hammerhead rammed me.

[@marcuswynn89]

You can pretty much still do that

[@patrickguerriero5425]

Idk if you’ve used a hammerhead lately, but I piloted mine and had 4 gunners during the event where a bunch of AI would attack the space stations, and we absolutely cleaned house. Took out literally 30+ ships before we had to rearm missiles and repair some turrets. Body of the HH was fine.

[@marcuswynn89]

Yeah that’s against npc’s they are mostly brain dead, if you were to fight players you’d get smoked

[@caintindal1671]

Two different types one vessel is hit and run strike Corvette the other is a Defensive Escort Corvette.

[@drancon101]

Im a fan of the HH, but it is unfortunate that it needs so many gunners to be affective. Its a nice ship, and man, the NPC HH's, when the servers aren't lobotomizing the AI pilots and gunners, are actually really scary to fight, even in a group. The ship just needs better multi-crew tools in the game, like a more reliable party system, functioning servers, and being able to get your everyone in your party into the same server reliably. The upside to the Perseus is that it doesn't really need all that many crew members to make it affective, as per you mentioning. But I can definitely see it struggling against fighters, since it wasn't really built to tackle smaller ships, and fighters/groups of fighters will be more common in the verse than big ships like the HH and vice versa. SC is still quite a ways away till any big ship will be affective in game. On the topic of Perseus vs Idris, I can see the Perseus being able to take an Idris down, if they play their cards right, such as shooting out the turrets, engines, and focus firing on either the bridge or reactor room (We all know where it is lol). And that if they don't, they'll just waste their shots and run out of ammo. Meanwhile, a pair of Perseus's will be a much more obvious and easy win against an Idris. Not gonna lie, I love flying my placeholder HH as a daily flyer, but if I had to choose between the two, a HH or Perseus, as a daily flyer, I'd pick the Perseus. It looks a bit smaller and more versatile than the HH lol

[@marcuswynn89]

Perseus will get stomped by any group of fighters

[@drancon101]

@@marcuswynn89 Indeed. Though, I would say seeing a Perseus and a HammerHead, would be a pretty dangerous combo out in the verse. The crew requirement would be crazy, but even in the current state in the game, the HH is a pretty good support ship, if properly crewed and supported.

[@TNDlABLONT]

I'd like to formally establish the plural form for multiple perseus is percy's

[@marcuswynn89]

Or we could call them Perc 30’s

[@Bad-wolfe]

shouldn't that be Perci? :)

[@kench6205]

You can see the second turret in the image that you are showing. It's behind the landing gear and is marked with 02 (front turret is marked with 01).

[@randlebrowne2048]

I'd like to see the Perseus get (in addition to it's current armament) a set of missile launchers like the Andromeda has in the roof of it's cargo bay. Also, the bottom turret *is* visible in all of those images. It's in the shadows behind the landing gear; and, it's tucked into what looks like a recess in the bottom hull, without being in an actual compartment. I hope that they do move the rear/bottom remote turret onto the top (bottom?) of the lower main gun turret for better line of sight.

[@clownlover1257]

Hi ! Nice video ! I'd like to add some details as a Perseus nerd hehe based on my knowledge of this ship I assume the torpedoes will be launched where the dents on the side of the ship in the front are. Looking at the inside of the Perseus, that's what it seems to me (with the torpedo bay reminding me of the Polaris one in design). Very interesting guess on the bottom turret ! I like the idea but I don't know any information about the deployability except those two images you shown. Also, I feel like the Perseus is a bit small to have this kind of feature. However I think John Crewe or another CIG dev said the Perseus might get its size increased during its development, wich could lead to the Perseus having indeed its bottom turret deployable ! Also I dont think the Perseus would be fast (or like a corvette interceptor), as it is a very heavy armored ship in lore, meaning the mass of the Perseus is very high and that I excpect it to be sluggish in terms of movements. However the ship will maybe be sluggish just in terms of maneuverability, and still be fast in straight lines, at least those are speculations for now Small detail : I think the Perseus is meant to be a sub-capital ship killer, not especially a capital ship killer (wich sounds logical to me as it is a very old ship in lore and older ships in SC history used to be smaller as I understood). But you are right about that the Perseus would be deadly against capital ships in a group of multiple Perseus !!

[@pheebs8451]

Hammerhead needs updating. In that update it needs point defence. And for its intended role it should have one of the best point defense profiles in the game. These could be independent of each corner turrets but mounted on the corner turrets or there could be 2 on the spine and 2 on the belly. Then it needs each manned turret reduced to quad size 3s but the ship should provide a 50% increase to range of all guns and a 15 - 30% buff to firing speed.

[@icore8515]

Perseus will be able to pack a punch IF it can catch the ship. From what i remember of its lore.. its meant to be more "hold the line" kind of ship rather than a hunter ship. Its heavily armored with heavy guns, and is a slow patrol ship. Its designed to fight the larger vanduul ships, since they tend to have larger ship sizes, making them easy targets for the perseus. I still wouldnt call the perseus an anti-capital ship, but rather an anti Large ship. It would obliterate nearly all ships around freelancer size up to carrack sized. And it definitely wont be able to solo a polaris after the upgunning it received.. It now has 8x S4 (2x quad s4 turrets), and 2x S6 that can all fire facing forward, onto a single target. it would obliterate a perseus in a head on fight.

[@Zombiesmoker]

Perseus is made to stay in battle for long and punch above its weight class. And the s7 guns will be updated to s8 guns. If the Perseus dont get hit from an torpedo. It may kill the polaris. I own both im exited tho for them.

[@ghazman6141]

I love the Hammerhead. When it rams into something is blows up! The irony of the name has always kept me rolling on the floor.

[@maddogs1989]

It's called a hammerhead because of the shark. Not because it can ram

[@ghazman6141]

@@maddogs1989 OIC. Thanks

[@DummyThinksThoughts]

man the perseus is so fine . that is my favorite ship design in SC . I like both these ships.

[@TheTheiceking]

What I don't understand is that today we have C-wiz or something bug gatling gun on ships for defence against incoming threats and also actual blazers are being developed and tested, why in star citizen many hundred of years in the future are we still using projectiles as PDS's?

[@marcuswynn89]

They could be using high intensity lasers but that would require actual imagination

[@ShadowGirl-]

Hmm according to the numbers on the original sales page (which of course could change) the Perseus is less then half the SCM speed of the Polaris... also I feel the Bucc and the F7 are medium fighters. A gladius, m50, 325a, these are more light fighters. Im absolutely excited for the Polaris, but it's sad we won't be getting the engineering and onboard fires till later...

[@tomtato0815]

I think the bottom turret is on rails and tugged away in between the main thrusters on the rear end.

[@justbuyintime5157]

For you speed comment the Perseus lore wise was built before shield tech was implemented on warships which is why is has far more armor than ships of its class, it’s always why it’s slower than ships in its class however it is also much faster and more maneuverable than capital ships which combined with it’s weaponry is why it was able to defeat two vandul destroyers and why it was re-implemented into the military after the battle of vega. It should be able to handle any ships in its class. As for a size tangle I say maybe around 50m but definitely 60m and up in sub capital as that is its role. The Polaris would be where the ship should no long be able to solo unless you have sub minimal crew on a Polaris and in close range and have a ammo loader on the Perseus, as the Polaris can’t use it torpedoes within something like 2.5k but its size 6 turret will be a threat. Also for wanting the bottom turret up from I disagree as it would remove the 360 degree coverage and completely remove the rear coverage. I do agree tho that it would make it easier for the bottom turret to provide forward coverage.

[@alexkidpaum6331]

I think they saied few month ago that the perseus is the next big ship to come out. Personaly i'm not expecting it for IAE, but it would be a cool surprise Great vid btw

[@marcuswynn89]

Invictus maybe

[@alexkidpaum6331]

@marcuswynn89 ah yh more probable !

[@lorienninavah6696]

More so IAE next year, but we can hope.

[@almightycaboose8192]

The Perseus is the next ship I wanna get for my fleet plus I can’t wait for the Polaris and fly it around. I mean with those two flying around doing bounties and cargo runs in between missions to mix things up. Honestly between the two I like where the deck is in the Perseus.

[@xiuhtezcatl8161]

i liked you was show the picture for longer time while talking about the ship. Liked you mentioned natural enemys the ion and hammerhead. plus infos about size 5 rockets what i did not know. Hope you wanna do polaris starlancer videos in pu ( i have pu installed) Until i have starlancers and polaris i can borrow it to you in PU to make videos..

[@andreasborkes695]

the buttom Turret of the perseus is shown on the second picture. You see the number 02 on it and the gun berrels are also there. Hope we will get some more information about the perseus at IAE. I think we all will learn how bad an Idris will be to fight against in a bigger ship. If you come into her focus the railgun will one Hit the perseus with Mailstrom. Maybe an Polaris, too. You are very slow with both ships

[@Tainted-Soul]

not only better at its role but better looking too looking forward to flying it and have 2 players on them big guns

[@BigBobBlazer]

I love both. The problem with the HH is how much crew it takes (7 or more). Perseus has a little less, at least for now. Who knows what CIG will do to it.

[@a46xyonix]

Given the simple fact that multi-crew in Star Citizen is currently a meme and a HH get's destroyed by a small handful of light or medium fighters, which a HH is SUPPOSED to be strong against... Perseus hands down.. It will perform better in it's role of beating up other sub capital ships like the HH with little to no effort and a much smaller crew.

[@marcuswynn89]

That’s what I’m saying

[@Orginal_Sinner]

I hope the perseus gets size 8 guns and a 2 more defensive turrets

[@Zombiesmoker]

It will get s8 guns.

[@RED--01]

The perseus has to mantain a tight distance at all times.. the Hammerhead has to get within 1.4km So I think the Perseus has to work around 2.5km leaving only 1 km or 1.3km range between them.. If both pilots are skilled this could take a long time.. If HH retreats to make Perseus lose the range and then after turn and boost towards the incoming Perseus that could end the perseus right there.. Also even tho I preder the perseus Im NOT sure that dual size 7s will be better than 2x quad size 4's...cuz no matter where the HH looks it has lots of guns pointing.. Its a battle of REACH. I have both ships and im really excited for the perseus.

[@sirn3cr045]

We call it "Dead in the void" 😃

[@Stormyy6310]

to put it simply : - if these 2 ships fight the Perseus wins, it is made by design to deal with sub-capitals like the Hammerhead - on a more general basis it's harder to say, on one hand the Hammerhead is meant to excell against fighters and smaller ships at the cost of firepower against larger ships (which is not the case right now, it flat out sucks against light fighters and excells against large ships) and even though currently it sucks at pvp like literally all multicrew ships it's still an indicator that it is going to be more effective in general than the Perseus (since obviously you're going to be fighting only fighters in pvp and in general you tend to face smaller ship), however this comes at a great cost, the amount of crew needed to operate this ship is absurdly high, so high in fact that this factor alone in my opinion makes the Perseus a little better as even though it is meant to be more anti-capital oriented at the end of the day there are still a *u*kton of missiles, the armor is one of the best and there are s3 remote turrets and along with that in practice I'm pretty sure you can get some shots off even on small ships using the huge dual s7 turrets meaning it theoretically isn't that bad against fighters. Overall this is not surprising as the Perseus is meant to be an anti-large ship which is still able to do some things against smaller ships wheras the Hammerhead is meant to solely be an anti-light fighter ship, in the eventuality that CIG decides to substantionally buff multicrew and specifically give a buff to the Hammerhead which allows it to actually fullfill its duty as a superbly effective anti-light fighter corvette then the real use for the Hammerhead is going to be in fleet engagements for big orgs acting as a screen for the fleet Although keep in mind that both of these ships will/already do suck at pvp big time and no I have absolutely 0 faith that multicrew will be magically fixed when engineering and the armor system come in the game (which let's be real is very likely not happening in 2025), they already said once that MM would be this magic fix and it wasn't at all but in fact just looking at it from a purely theoretical perspective shows that it is not going to be enough, multicrew ships need more than just "being able to last longer" to actually be effective and played seriously, nothing short of either a complete overhaul of the multicrew system or/and a massive buff to all turrets accross the board is going to be effective, mark my words

[@Platinumsniper]

That would be cool if Perseus had a VLS

[@Moriturius]

just take the Lore and its done Perseus took out 2 Vanduul Destroyers (475m long), the heavy hitters from the prolog with the Beam that split a Idris. *During Operation Mandrake in 2946 in the Vanduul War, the aging Perseus UEES Achilles managed to take down two Vanduul destroyers when the ship was damaged beyond repair. Due to its performance, UEEN Admiral Ernst Bishop personally lobbied RSI to start producing Perseus models again for use against the Vanduul.[2]* And the Perseus survived heavy dmg but it survived. Perseus also was now considert as Capital... i think it will be a heavy hitting Space Tank that can take a beating. Also even if Armor is not in currently, a T0 / T1 case of Armor will come with 4.0, its soft Armor.

[@BigBobBlazer]

If we've learned anything, it is that CIG doesn't hold themselves accountable to things they've said, even if it was just a year ago. Determining what the Perseus will be based on lore is...ill-advised.

[@benvalle8253]

Punches above its weight?

[@SmokeWiseGanja]

I can't wait to see what they do with ammo types. Just thinking of using an AP round to punch right through a ship is hype as fuck. The Perseus could potentially be the sniper of ship combat, sitting back and sending rounds across a fleet battle to take out anything in its weight category, or to maim and cripple the larger capitals, with a chance to score a lucky hit with a shell taking out a component or two.

[@zexw]

I figured armor won't be fully implemented until this ship is ready. They like to release ships or vehicles alongside feature releases. One will probably be pushed back for the other. On the topic of the video, I fear for my perseus usefulness. I see it being quickly outranged or removed from large battles. And lack of any good fighter defense, making it weak on its own.

[@skelly0774]

The great thing about each ship is that they are never perfect by themselves. They require a fleet of other ships to benefit from eachother and cover eachothers weaknesses.

[@marcuswynn89]

Expect for light fighters they rule everything

[@5000562]

​@@marcuswynn89Let's hope that changes soon. They should only be effective in swarms, and even then, should only serve as a distraction or such.

[@TokonF]

I hate that the answer for the light fighter meta is "armor". I've been saying that for years and was hopeful they would add meaningful damage reduction in the mean time to simulate armor but no joy. I would love to see a bunch of light fighters shoot at a hammerhead out side of it's effective range and because of the simulated armor (damage reduction) and the distance do nothing to it. I feel like maelstorm is still a long way off and that CIG needs to simulate armor in game before it gets officially released.

[@marcuswynn89]

They need to reduce fighter engagement distances

[@TokonF]

​@@marcuswynn89 100%. It makes no sense that a light fighter can hit a large ship from such a distance that they can keep their shields down. While not getting hit in return.

[@marcuswynn89]

@TokonF but CIG designed the game this way

[@madeingermany9445]

If they upgrade the top turret to 4 s5 guns they will probably be split up and 2 are given to the copilot

[@asog88]

Engineering is fine. It’s not a need for when a ship isn’t multi crewed, it’s simply a buff,allowing crewed ships to run longer than they currently would, since they can be repaired

[@paratrooperz1]

im under the impression the hammerhead would win 1vs 1 and as a support ship for a fleet 16 size 4s and 8 size 5s on the hammerhead will out DPS 4 size 7s the hammer head is for small and medium ships. the persius is designed for large and sub capital

[@Bosslife780]

You forgot the hammerhead pilot control if you down side missiles to size 2 pilots will have 64 dominator 2 size 2 missiles ….. from the start the hammerhead has gotten support by cig and expect the ship to become better later on in the development of the game and this ship currently isn’t done in development stuff are being added to this ship over time all ships are up for combat adjustments while in development 🤷‍♂️…. Also the hammerhead was nerfed while back for being op with ballistic weapons

[@404-Err0r]

What happened to the A2? Thought they buffed it with an additional large shield?

[@marcuswynn89]

The A2 is slow and sluggish an extra shield really does nothing for it

[@CMDRKetchup]

They said itnwouldnt compete with capitol ships. They did however say it was a sub capitol monster though.

[@ronelicabandi9706]

There are reasons why turrets are obsolete in real life and there are reasons why fighters dominate navy battles during ww2. If they want to make big ships viable in sc they need to put in automatic close range defense systems or put smart aim assist at turrets.

[@ANDROAZ_Gaming]

Engineering is a nice concept, but CIG is failing to account for the human element. Nobody is going to want to be an engineer all the time. Hell, people can't stay in a turret for long before wanting to do something else.

[@marcuswynn89]

That’s my sentiment exactly and with most ships you won’t be able to do any engineering because you’ll die before you can’t put any fires out or fix any components

[@Az-tek1]

Nobody here! I'm looking forward to becoming a full time engineer, will likely also double up as a gunner or something when the ship isn't on fire.

[@scotttimbrell8632]

I also want to be a Pilot/engineer main gamer. I think you vastly under estimate the amount of players who want to be the core of their ship staying alive, doing micro missions during a macro task. Plus these ships seem specifically designed as a fleet, youre telling me that people who want to be apart of a fleet dont want to be a turret main or an engineer in a vast war vs another org? You know you're playing a space sim right? Like this isnt cod, people actually do what to do these mundane tasks.

[@scotttimbrell8632]

@@marcuswynn89 What do you mean dead? As in the ship explodes or your character? Because if im correct, the only real way your ship explodes is if your power gen goes critical, which as CIG have already said, that wouldn't happen instantly. So it seems like engineering, along with weapon/armour changes, there is a lot engineering can do to keep you chugging along.

[@Gwydion_Wolf]

One's meant to be a floating AA platform... one is mean to nibble at bigger ships 'and' ships = to its size..... Sooooo which one is better really depends on what you are wanting to do..... Take out the engines/turrets on something like an Idris/Javelin?.. grab a Perci. Make a group of fighters want to leave the Hull C your guarding alone?.. the Hammerhead.

[@marcuswynn89]

It’s about which it’s better at it’s role, I swear y’all don’t listen

[@Luis-lq5yk]

Both are great to deep space patrol and together they can repel any agresión, from light to subcapital ships.

[@marcuswynn89]

They can’t stop light fighters

[@stack446]

What armor is this supposed to have? Once it’s available obviously

[@marcuswynn89]

They really haven’t given too much details and we probably won’t know for some time since it’s been delayed

[@stack446]

@@marcuswynn89damn, still think the Perseus is a badass looking ship. Thanks for the video.

[@bdoublej1421]

It’s supposed to have extremely heavy armor but I believe they changed it to just heavy armor

[@stack446]

@@bdoublej1421 oh thanks for the info super excited for the Perseus to finally be completed

[@HorizoSun]

The main problem with the hammerhead is weapon range

[@ddavis5442]

My man, if your gonna do these you gotta do your research. HH IS and anti-torp and missile platform, it doesn't need a pdt. And the Persius is not an anti-Capital ship, it's main roles are sub capital, always has been.

[@epyonrsi8829]

what website did you use to make this?

[@chx4268]

The thing with the perseus and I hope perseus fanboys dont get mad at me is that it was not made to "hunt" capitals it wasnt made for that is for SubCap hunt as in hunting connies and a2 and hh for example, the size of the guns even when is impresive is just not enough to kill a fully crew cap because that is not their role, and btw is not a capital for those that say it is.. at least as the time of this comment is just a subcap patrol ship no more and is good at that

[@canop1601]

nah im not going to talk about armor. im going to talk about the no water in space....there is more water in space then on the planets lol. but yeah i feel like the back of the HH needs something on the top also exp seeing how it has such a huge cross on that ship you would want to keep that the most safe and not the thin part. and i never thought of it till you said it....but yeah irl you wouldnt keep the imporant things like that in the ass end all unprotected. it be like an old WW2 bomber but the gunners can only aim at the floor xD

[@marcuswynn89]

😂😂😂

[@user-ky8je2qj3z]

Tbf if we're being pedantic about water in space, ALL known water is in space. The planets themselves? Are also in space. All known matter? Believe it or not, all in space.

[@marcuswynn89]

@user-ky8je2qj3z fair point

[@gergenskits3940]

Sorry, I have been out of the game for a while, how is it that the buc and hornet "outrange" a mammerhead? given that a hammerhead has size 4 and those figheters have size 4?

[@marcuswynn89]

It’s simple size weapons have a range of 3km and at those ranges fighters are physically smaller and much more maneuverable, the hammerhead though can still be hit due to being much bigger and slower

[@gergenskits3940]

@@marcuswynn89 I see. thanks

[@antilarge7860]

Armor should make multi crew/engi playable because all you need is a light fighter to kill anything. The Perseus has a disgusting LACK of smaller turrets, I mean come on where are they?

[@F1nnsel]

more!

[@durtyred86]

You don't need s5's on the Hammerhead. That's like using a 50.cal to hunt quail. And seeing how the HH is a fighter hunter, s4's are the heavy end of what size they should run. Not to say you can't hit a fighter with a s5, s4's just do it more effectively.

[@marcuswynn89]

Problem is the hammerhead can get out ranged so it’s hard to apply damage to fighters unless they are close

[@durtyred86]

@marcuswynn89 yea, there's going to be some serious salt coming... Fighters are way too OP currently. I believe we'll eventually see some damage fall-off in some cases, and near uselessness in others. The larger the gun, the better it's range. The smaller the gun, the faster it travels. So I think it'll look something like this in the near future. S4+ Long range, slower travel, hard hitting rounds. S3- shorter range, faster travel, but lack the ability to do significant damage to anything larger than say, a Connie? What this means is ships will be put in a category. You'll be hard pressed to catch a fighter with a s6 gun, and a fighter will be hard pressed to do damage to a large ship outside of shield generators and turrets. Both of which they'll have to get in "danger close" for a good shot. Some will cry about this....Me? I call this.....Balance.

[@AgentXRifle]

One has a point and one has a hole… It must be done!

[@GG-vn9qf]

YO! What was your rate?

[@marcuswynn89]

Admin

[@michaelsiciliano-yr4vq]

Different ships Different roles

[@xiuhtezcatl8161]

every world true. rare sc video. thx

[@DFFS91]

RSI Perseus***

[@marcuswynn89]

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar

[@lordsheogorath3377]

Perseus hands down. I haven't even watched the video yet. It just takes too much crew for the HH to be effective. The fix is to make 2/3 of them remote and have them aim at the same targets as the manned turrets. That way you only need 2 gunners and that leaves room for the rest of the crew to do things other than sit in a gun. Once Engineering is out (RIP) the Hammerhead is going to need so much crew to do a job it can barely preform atm that it will never make sense to put full crew in it in any situation. To put in in perspective the Polaris has a smaller minimum crew requirement. I get this is a balance issue, but I just don't see CIG making changes to fix the swarm of single ships vs a single multicrew anytime soon. Even with those changes if you have 9 people 3 Perseus will still outperform a single hammerhead with all the guns manned.

[@kristjanaristefansson9694]

I think Blades or AI crew will fix some of that. Since you can just put Blades in most of the guns. Then the question is. If both ships have 3 human players and the rest of the positions are filled by Blades, which ship is then more effective?

[@maxnoah743]

Actually the Polaris will require a bigger crew now. It will be a better anti fighter with more than triple the shield and 5 quad turrets. (They upgunned it to make it more attractive. 2 size 4 and 3 size 3) Then a missile turret, the size 10s missiles, and a size 6 front turret. I'm not sure they have thought this through since why would you take a hammerhead at this point. It was special for the quad turrets putting out ridiculous dps against fighters. Also a piloted ship in the hangar could be 2 man since the hangar is big enough.

[@justbuyintime5157]

I know it’s a dead horse but yes armor is what will balance things out and remove the light fighter meta, the lights fighters and possibly even medium fighters will take a lot longer to take down a HH than it does now making it easier for the HH to do its job.

[@lordsheogorath3377]

@@kristjanaristefansson9694 AI and blades aren't coming any time soon. Still Perseus because AI and Blades will both be expensive.

[@araynortassadore3056]

Oh...so the Perseus is a backwards facing hammerhead

[@dragofire5063]

Perseus is slow due to its extremely heavy armour. Polaris is fast due to its light capital armour

[@justbuyintime5157]

But its light capital armor will still be heavier, the Perseus is supposed to be slow for ships of its size because of that armor but faster than capital ship, its speed and maneuverability was one of the key reasons it was able to beat two vandul destroyers in lore

[@SmokeTheFilter]

Honestly there is no one better than the other have two completely different purposes

[@marcuswynn89]

This wasn’t ship vs ship it’s what would be better at it’s role, the hammerhead is not good and doing area denial against fighters. The Perseus will be better at its role

[@wilemelliott]

The Perseus is the UEEN analog to the old Destroyer Escorts. Technically the Polaris would be like a modern AEGIS class destroyer [with tubes instead of VLS]. Javelin class destroyers would actually be closer to a light cruiser with a focus on AA, while the cruisers [battlecruisers?] we saw in the SQ42 intro would be heavy and battlecruisers [or fast battleships] The Idris feels like a weird combination of a San Antonio class landing ship crossed with an LCS and a BB Naval Rifle bolted to the deck.

[@BlakedaBull]

Remember it’s not about how much you saved on one ship BUT how much you spent overall. Years away if you’ve already spent hundreds on their website - please much better uses for your entertainment-money ; maybe save for pc like upgrading your screen , etc. or joysticks or tennis lessons

[@gaming_joey1547]

The perseus should not be faster than the polaris, the polaris was made for speed and quick engagement. The perseus is a naval warship and is armored like one. It should move with heft to it. The polaris should too. But it was built for forward speed and striking.

[@marcuswynn89]

Perseus is like half the size of the Polaris it should move faster based on physics

[@gaming_joey1547]

@marcuswynn89 yes but the perseus should be at the same weight or more, the polaris has a empty midsection for the hangar and very large cargo bay, and it uses shields more than metal for armor. The polaris is 155m and the perseus is 100m. Not double the size.

[@gaming_joey1547]

@marcuswynn89 the perseus may be faster in atmosphere because of its better aerodynamics and weight. Because the polaris has less aerodynamics and a large profile. It will need to burn more to push harder. But I'm just speculating, nothing has ground stats. I do want the perseus to be fast. But I dunno, it's a close call just going off of looks

[@justbuyintime5157]

@@gaming_joey1547 but the Polaris is around twice the mass and has heavier armor even tho its light capital armor the Perseus is slow for it class because of its armor but faster and more maneuverable that capital ships, if it was just as slow as the Polaris it one would only break the ship gameplay but also won’t make sense. In lore one of its main reasons it was able to beat two vandul destroyers was because of its speed.

[@gaming_joey1547]

@justbuyintime5157 ah ok, then I hope they balance the polaris vs perseus vs idris when they are on the board. But the idris has fighters so I guess that's it's strength

[@lameisthenewcool5277]

maelstrom needs to happen before engineering imo

[@marcuswynn89]

The all magical maelstrom

[@henkolsonpietersen2242]

It's a little strange to say "engineering is not even in yet," but to then proceed comparing a ship which doesn't even exist to one which clearly needs an extensive rework hahahah

[@marcuswynn89]

Have you been to the shadow realm?

[@dexagalapagos]

Neither. It'll be whichever new ship CIG needs to sell next.

[@mohammadafiqhidayat121]

When my perseus?

[@marcuswynn89]

Soon ™️

[@spiritofsound8469]

Perseus. End of discussion.

[@Viznar91]

There is turret at bottom

[@marcuswynn89]

I know that I’m only saying it wasn’t in the preview

[@Redclaw340]

The Perseus is a jpeg....it doesn't do anything.

[@canop1601]

first for some reason

[@marcuswynn89]

Always first

[@nightwhale4014]

For me you cannot compare again each other. onre complete the other one. Hammerhead is against light and medium fighter nd perseus is made for big ship

[@marcuswynn89]

It’s a comparison based on their effectiveness in their roles