How to charge your non-Tesla at a Supercharger and what NOT to do!

[@willielarsson9651]

Ev etiquette is paramount , I was sitting at 70% yesterday, and happily passed on the charger to a tesla driver, as opposed to sitting there until 100%. We can all enjoy eV motoring if we're unselfish and sensible.

[@bernhardleopold6702]

If you have to block a 2nd stall make sure it is the other part of the same pair. So if you are blocking 3B make sure to charge at 3A. This way at least the available power is not blocked more than necessarily (and you have don't have to share the 150 kW ;-).

[@NathanExplosion25]

I was just thinking the same.

[@bcollender]

This man has helped me alot with an EV! So many logical and clear videos that people dont know!

[@NRajah]

Good comments on general politeness and cleanliness.

[@alexacb63]

Something else to note is make sure when your car finishes charging that you unplug and move it promptly, or you may start to incur idle fees

[@AshLOVEsTECH]

Stopped at Banbury Tesla chargers with Volvo xc40 recharge twin. Charged at 150kw very quickly. Great experience.

[@Minimux69]

Fast becoming my favourite you tuber and your content is really informative and fun !!

[@paulmcgee1867]

For most BMW users taking up 2 bays will be perfectly normal

[@darylmorales4838]

Lol! Right! It’s kind of expected at that point! Hahaha

[@KDR816]

Bias! 😄

[@The1Karking]

Rude as usual

[@Badonicus]

Twice the car of a tesla so why not

[@TheElcentralen]

@@Badonicus i am not a tesla person. But bmw is not twice of eny car. Its at best a gangster kia.

[@phaedrus2k]

Good guidance and I'd be in the non-Tesla user group if I go for an e-208. Saw one being charged the other day at the Cardiff site. I think the extra income for Tesla should in theory help further expansion, so it'll be good for all in the long run.

[@Jaw0lf]

Great information and simple common sense as usual! I think that the fact Tesla have opened is a great for an emergency stop and is priced as it should be for non tesla owners.

[@hadtopicausername]

Pretty much all of Tesla's charging stations have been opened up to everyone here in Norway, and it really is awesome. The app is easy to use, even for a newbie such as myself, and Tesla's chargers are far cheaper than anyone else. If there's lots of cars at the charging station, though, I try to park in such a way as not to take up two stalls. Seeing as my charging port is on the passenger side. That said, I've experienced that even when 33 out of 36 chargers were taken at one station, things went very smoothly indeed.

[@earnmyturns6305]

excuse me, would you mind describing the right app? sorry to be a bother, I just was on the app store, I was stumped as there were half a dozen none of them seemed right. The one with the tesla logo seemed to be doing climate control and all sort of stuff I won’t need without a Tesla car; then there were those that offered just maps of Superchargers, nice but I need actual usage including payments…

[@hadtopicausername]

@@earnmyturns6305 Well, I just searched for Tesla in Google Play, and that sent me straight to the correct app. It's simply called Tesla and has the red and white Tesla logo. But seeing as I have no idea what country you're in, I also have no idea whether Tesla has opened up their chargers to everyone else where you're at.

[@MrKlawUK]

perhaps for V2 / paired superchargers if you’re going to block one, try and work out so you block the other one of the pair? So the other free one will be full speed?

[@thearab59]

Yes, if you must block a second unit, make it the paired one to the one you are on.

[@andymccrory7943]

I recognised that as Wokingham/Winnersh before you mentioned the location, it's only 2 miles from where I live so I know it but don't use it for my M3SR+ because home charging is much cheaper. Good to hear that Tesla are being sensible and are only opening the quiet Superchargers to non-Teslas.

[@CarFinanceSimplified]

Really helpful - thanks Richard. Coming from a Tesla, I will be charing my new BMW i5 tomorrow at a Supercharger! Cheers.

[@rhiantaylor3446]

Glad to see somebody effectively encouraging a bit of price competition between charge networks. The premium charged at motorway services for diesel is typically 10-15p more than off-motorway garages so a 10% premium but here you compared Tesla with Ionity and it sounded more like double the price !

[@leegreen67]

You missed one very important point when making your price comparison. In the video he clearly mentioned the Ionity price was based on buying the BMW shown. BMW, Mercedes, Hyundai and some other manufacturers have done a deal with Ionity in order that their customers can avail of the network and as a thank you for buying their brand they offer lower pricing at those chargers. Tesla owners enjoy a similar lower rate at Tesla chargers. As a Tesla model 3 owner, during a recent 500Km trip around France, I was able to charge at Tesla chargers for 30c/Kw. On my one and only visit to an Ionity charger, the cost was 75c/kw. Im sure if I was driving one of the marques mentioned above, then the reverse would have been the case. So the moral of the story is, if the manufacturer provides their own charge network or has an arrangement with another charge company, it makes sense to use the the one that is most cost effective for you.

[@geoffreylane8224]

I think its a positive move by Tesla for all electric car owners and shouldn't be looked at as them and us (Tesla owners vs Non Tesla owners). As this scheme expands, it will give me the confidence to use my EV for more than my daily commute and take it on longer trips away with the knowledge that my charging options (if required) are greatly improved.

[@ymcpa73]

If they are using 2 spots, it will quickly become them and us. Why isn't this standardized? If you are parking in a garage, it makes sense to have the port on the driver's side so they can plug in as they step out.

[@reiniernn9071]

@@ymcpa73 Well...In the UK the drivers side is opposite to the drivers side in the USA.

[@kardy12]

@@reiniernn9071 So what? Neither BMW nor Tesla have the charging port on different sides of the car in left-hand and right-hand drive countries.

[@kardy12]

@@ymcpa73 It isn’t standardised because carmakers haven’t agreed to a standard location. Just like they didn’t agree to a standard side for refuelling. This isn’t as much of a problem with charging networks as they have longer cables so you can use them more flexibly, but Tesla’s supercharger network was only ever designed with Tesla’s in mind.

[@sdjp19644691]

Charged 4 times now with JagUAR I PACE, BEST CHARGING EXPERIENCE EVER outside of home. Took up two bays each time. Will get my model Y in 2 weeks 😁

[@waynemccance9849]

Well said Richard on the rubbish left. Great video !

[@steveyoung8376]

Thanks Richard, I have been an EV owner since 2007 including 3 teslas. This is a great move by Tesla, it may damage the Tesla sales but it will help other brands with sales as the poor charging network in the uk is a barrier to large scale EV adoption. Hopefully tesla with the added revenue will continue to grow the network. I have heard in california they are trialing different charging rates for different times of the day and it would be great to see solar charging canopies and powerpacks at the charging stations too.

[@ymcpa73]

They have been doing tiered pricing in California for a while. I know Nevada (Las Vegas) has tiered pricing as well. Some of the older V1 chargers that aren't as popular have single rates.

[@Thorocious]

This was handy thanks mate, about to receive an EQB so this was much needed.

[@mikeroutledge8879]

Great video. I know I will have to charge our Ioniq 5 next week at a convenient Tesla hub in London and have downloaded two Tesla apps and registered my card, however, the non Tesla screen did not show on my phone. It was great to see a screen shot of what I was looking for on your phone. Interestingly I then checked the app on my phone and the Tesla app immediately went to non Tesla charging. If after downloading the app the non Tesla page does not instantly show it probably will if left for a day or so, maybe even quicker. I'm looking forward to trying a Tesla stall.

[@williamlawrenson8345]

I charged my Citroen C4 at Gloucester services a few weeks ago, no problem except not many bays and it was very busy. Lucky I didn't stay too long. At another charging station in Wales, lots of Tesla chargers, not very busy but not available to non Tesla vehicles.

[@norfolkmustard]

NB the Type 2 cable on a supercharger will only fit Tesla Model X and S. it’s a proprietary connector with an extra teardrop shaped lobe in the middle meaning it won’t fit any other car’s Type2 port 👍

[@terryrigden4860]

I took my MG4 to the Tesla Supercharger at Ipswich, worked perfectly at 42p/Kwh. Charged at 105Kw to start with. The charge port is back left which is convenient

[@dcbel]

Great video and really useful to avoid any confusion while plugin to a supercharger! Thank you for sharing, Richard! 🔌⚡🚘

[@R56Cooper]

Ive heard with non-teslas with charging ports on the "wrong side" is to park at a slight angle. Apparantly this allows you to connect the charger while still giving just enough room for the adjacent stalls to be able to reach their chargers as well. 🙏🙏

[@greggy50]

Tried one on my Polestar 2 and it worked fine and was pulling well over 100kwh even though I wasn't that empty and I had not pre heated (just wanted to try one...) It probably helps the charge socket is in the same place as a Model 3 however! Doubt I will use one again even at 20k pa I rarely have to public charge but it's useful to know they are available and work.

[@MeBeingHimself]

Greg, this is great to hear, shortly to collect a Polestar 2, that they can pull 100kwh. I’d be happy with that for a quick pit stop, many thanks

[@piersfilmlid9032]

The price per kWh varies by time of day and demand at Tesla superchargers. The 61p per kWh quoted is high in my experience. I usually pay more like 44p per kWh. The app contains a chart showing usual peak demand and peak pricing. Really excellent.

[@AdrianHilder]

@RSymons - add Havant, Hampshire to the list of Superchargers that accept non-Teslas. I've seen a BMW i4 charging there. I've also seen 3 non-Tesla's using up all 6 bays to get a charge in Fort William as all their charge ports were in an incompatible location for the short cable Tesla charges. VW ID.4, Mach-E.

[@trevormarshall4960]

Have pulled 250kwH in an Etron GT. car was on 22% charge, as it moved pass 50% reduced to 150kwh

[@wagdog1]

I love how you have to teach courtesy.

[@donaldduck5731]

They probably need to put steel bollards in front of the superchargers if BMW drivers can use them now.

[@JTRProductionz]

I cant open my charging flap without breaking the whole flap off, what might be the issue?

[@paulsouthern9955]

Another great video full of good information, although I don’t think I will be rushing out to use a Tesla supercharger at 61p per KW 😱

[@ahmed624354]

you can get cheaper with a subscription. the monthly subscription means you charge at the same rate as a tesla owner.

[@paulsouthern9955]

@@ahmed624354 ah good to know, I think if they decide to open up all of the supercharger’s it would be worth the subscription 👍

[@Wised1000]

Thanks for the vid! Its now clear how rhe system will work in the US. Its good to know it wont require and adapter and that Tesla is simply installing CCS plugs.

[@joerothstein8101]

So I downloaded the Tesla app, registered and account, but can find the "Charge Your Non-Tesla" button anywhere. Do I have to add a VIN or something to get this to show up?

[@lozzamanuk]

Knew that was Wokingham from the thumbnail. Got to watch the flooding on that site due to the nearby river. There's a Polar at the the site too up on the elevated section of the car park.

[@joshcunningham1702]

Great video Richard and Team!

[@SovetskieSoldat]

Is it possible to not use the phone app to charge a non-tesla at a tesla charging station? Asking this because I want to rent from Hertz for a european trip but I might not have connection while on the road.

[@TheADiggins]

Type 2 cable would not plug in it is keyed to only fit ms and x

[@dominicm2175]

Would like to know how the expense of the charge compares with fuel/ gasoline

[@Wised1000]

Less than half.

[@cbcdesign001]

@@Wised1000 You are miles out as of Feb 2024. I watched a video the other day where a guy doing a winter trip in his MG4 long range EV was getting 3.1 miles per kWh and paid 79p per kWh at a public charging point. With petrol at £6.50 a gallon he gets 8.22kWh for that price and at 3.1miles per kWh that's just 25.4 miles per gallon equivalent. So much for your, less than half post. Even at 61P per kWh he would only get 9.38kWh for £6.50 giving him 29 miles per gallon equivalent.

[@EagleWolfSparrow]

So in UK is ok to Charge a BMW? United State not yet ?

[@reiniernn9071]

Thanks for the video...I still was looking for a video like this. (I own an 800Volts car, hyundai, , maximum charging speed (unitli now) 228 KW at ionity , station at the Berliner ring). Have still to try a Tesla charger. (On a 400Volts charger my max speed was 175KW...owned by Greenway polska not far from Poznan....unfortunate they downgraded the speed on that charger later to 90KW max.) (I suppose I'll not need often a tesla charger because on my most important route ...long distance...I've plenty ionity 350KW chargers available...all at a very nice interval. I made a habit of charging after a 250 km....Time for a sanitair stop and charging combined. My car is ready to go after that sanitair stop and a coffee because the high speed charging.

[@13021J]

Tried with an Kia EV6 yesterday but no joy, multiple poles attempted, connected and ramped up but then failed?? Anyone got any ideas, is there a contact team at Tesla to help diagnose?

[@badmonkey2917]

Thank you for making this kind of a video 👍

[@brianbailey4565]

I have a Seat Mii and it can pull a massive 30 kW on a good day, when on long journies always use Tesla chargers (open to all) as far cheaper than all the rest. Unfortunately have to use one bay and the charger from the next bay (Tesla type 2 charger) never been a problem, only need a quick top up so hardly have time for a cup of tea & P break.

[@X5one67]

Very informative as usual . Bmw give 1 year free subscription to ionity and charge is only 26p as you say.. and ionity ar ramping up sites though not many on the m6 route yet …

[@peterarmstrong3645]

Recently downloaded the Tesla App. It does not have an option to, “charge my non Tesla”. I’ve completed the account details with address etc, but still no tab. Anyone with any ideas?

[@kingm3llo]

thankyou for the video. I was wondering if you could charge i4 at tesla station and like how it would work. Keep up the videos!

[@lawrencebingham4638]

Great video Richard. Handy to know about Wokingham as that is where my family is (Wokingham boy myself). Will use that when visiting if needed. On another subject, any thoughts on the Lotus Eletre? I have a reservation, just waiting to see what it ‘really’ looks like.

[@richardland9668]

Got very excited about Tesla charges and tried to charge in Perth Scotland without success.

[@richardburfoot8638]

Great video as always. Can I ask … which Tesla app do us non-Tesla owners need to download to use the network? I’m on IOS

[@G6EJD]

You can’t fit a Tesla type-2 like plug into a Type-2 vehicle because the Tesla plug has a triangular key to prevent the fitting taking place.

[@RSEV]

Europe we use ccs which is standard a cross the board on all new EVs

[@G6EJD]

@@RSEVI was responding to your comment where you said you can plug a type 2 like Tesla plug into a type 2 socket, it’s impossible because Tesla moulded a key, take a look.

[@huwdavies6650]

Charged my e2008 at the Aberystwyth Supercharger the other week. had a problem with the handshake on one of the chargers but worked fine on the others. Wasn't cheap and the frequency of my needing to Supercharge wasn't worth the Subscription to get a cheaper rate.

[@dna100]

Why isn't there a standard for charging points, with cables of the right length for every car, the right connector? ICE pumps adhere to a standard so there aren't any problems like this. Is there a plan to create a standard, universal charge point?

[@ouethojlkjn]

It’s a good point but with no regulation everyone did what they liked. Tesla built their superchargers for their vehicles. It is worth noting that certainly in America petrol varied from state to state until the late 60s so you couldn’t just use any petrol. The legendary route 66 coast to coast highway only came about because petrol was standardised in the United States in the late 60s.

[@JustinHall333]

I think in a Porsche Taycan, you need to spec the 150KW DC/DC converter option on order to draw over 50kw and upto 150kw, but I am sure someone on here can confirm that, or let me know if I am wrong.. I have a Taycan on order with this option ticked, because I was hoping this was the case...?

[@decimal1815]

What are the Type 2 connectors for then? Nice video, thanks :)

[@chyira8077]

Has anyone done the research on the electrical field while sitting in the car while using the supercharger ?

[@nickwagner9339]

Model 3 can charge at 250kw, and the type 2 connectors you mentioned is not type 2 but the original plug for the model s, v3 chargers are the ones that can do 250kw and don't have the 2nd plug only CCS2, the ones with 2 plugs are v2 and can only do 150kw

[@mark123655]

Technically it's a modified Type 2.. it's got a little extra key (bit of plastic in it) so it shouldn't be able to plug it into that BMW of a Tesla Model 3/Y

[@jm9371]

Fantastic review. I am a pending NON-Tesla owner when my car arrives.

[@davidlewis4399]

Good luck expect to see you waiting hours at a charger the next Banks Hols

[@clubrepedd]

Wouldn't you be better to advise people to at least park in 3B and use 3A? At least then you're blocking two bays that share the same charge.

[@markevans4832]

I think it’s now time that a comprehensive charging education video was supplied with all new EVs. OEMs and their dealers just want cars out the door and it’s amazing the amount of people who drive off with their great new EV but have little idea on what to do. Charging is the biggest minefield of owning an EV and the dealer needs to ensure their customers leave with all the knowledge necessary. Just an idea that a video covering the major CPOs along with apps, payments, etiquette and all best practices that dealers can provide with all the handover paperwork. Perhaps

[@maxflight777]

I totally agree ! I love my MY, but the handover from Tesla was appalling! The car was also dangerous with (as others have experienced) 50psi in each corner !) Tesla should try harder to brief owners on matters such as supercharging.

[@RSEV]

Seen this one? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXqWYYx3o5eZg7c

[@trevorberridge6079]

I think people have to use a bit of common sense. If you're going to buy a car that fuels in a different way you need to research it at least a bit. Yes, it's good if you have a friendly and enthusiastic dealer that will give you good advice. But, who spends that kind of money on anything without first acquiring some basic knowledge of the product? Do farmers buy a combine harvester and wait until it's in their field before they ask how to operate it? (Apart from Jeremy Clarkson). I armed myself with relevant information about my Nissan Leaf before I ever went to the dealers. I made sure that there were local chargers I could use for my model of EV. I learned a lot about my car in the first couple of weeks of driving it, but charging was not a difficult adjustment. Let's be honest, there are people who put diesel in petrol cars despite the pump nozzle being shaped and coloured differently to make it clearer. There have even been people who borrow an electric car and drive it up to a petrol pump still thinking it runs on liquid fuel. There's always going to be people who struggle with the basics because they ignore the six 'P's: Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance. A little thought before you knee jerk purchase the new Jaguar EV and you might have less issues. If most people can deal with going to a petrol station and selecting between two types of petrol, two types of diesel, lpg and biogas then they can cope with "Plug 'n' Pay" chargers. You'd think.

[@molepatrol7529]

I agree. My wife has ordered a MGS EV. The dealer did not once talk about charging! Once we get the car I will feedback as it is a minefield and one shouldn’t assume everyone researches sites like this to the nth degree. Great video Richard

[@briansmith7443]

I agree with Trevor, the consumer needs to educate themselves and not rely on information from the dealer unless it is something specific about that particular car. From my experience of talking to different dealers while choosing my EV, I was shocked at how little they knew about their own cars let alone the charging infrastructure or other future developments. Most had little knowlegde of charging rates and could only spout off the headline figures that the manufacturers push out and had no clue that it is dependant on a multitude of factors. Kia was the worst, they didn't unbderstand the difference between KWh, KW and what 800V architecture meant! In my opinion, if you want to spend £1000s on a new car you should do even a little research to arm yourself with some basic knowledge especially if it is a new technology you haven't experienced before!

[@Its_a_kind_of_magic71]

So how many miles did you get for your £7.32 please range ?

[@surreyshooter]

I have the Android Tesla App installed, latest version, account, telephone and payment details activated, I don't have a Tesla Product and I also cannot see the "Charge" option in the app so I can go try this out in my E-Niro

[@jocehockings4192]

Do you need to be at a Supercharger for the app to show the charge option? I downloaded and signed in to it, but all it seems to have is an Explore page with the S, 3 and X on it. Not even the Y. Am I missing something?

[@ouethojlkjn]

I think you need to sign up using a credit card and so on to activate the app for charging?

[@jocehockings4192]

@@ouethojlkjn thanks, can’t see anywhere on the app to do that, so I’ll have a look at the website.

[@neilcoles5941]

Can I ask what Tesla app you used

[@piersfilmlid9032]

You need the official Tesla app with the Tesla logo. Look to register a non Tesla vehicle under charging.

[@barrymurton8988]

I thought it was only the nee T4 super chargers they were opening up!!

[@JustMeTalking]

Courtesy and Common Sense Well that's not going to happen ...

[@Av-vd3wk]

How do you pay?

[@RSEV]

It’s in the video. You register a card on a Tesla account you create

[@Av-vd3wk]

@@RSEV must have missed it, thanks!

[@Mikenopolis]

I do wonder if or when they will raise the price of EV charging rates to where we all starting replacing EVs with ICEs because gas/petro prices would be cheaper

[@bshah4831]

Thank you really helpful

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Question: would the older Zoe ZE40 which is type 2 only charge off these Tesla chargers as I see they have the correct lead on them

[@norfolkmustard]

No. Couple of reasons. 1: only the CCS2 cable has been enabled for the trial and 2: it looks like a normal Type2 AC cable but it’s DC and a non-standard layout that won’t fit any other car apart from Tesla Model S or X, it doesn’t even fit Tesla model 3 or Y.

[@RSEV]

As already answered there it’s a no. ZE40 is AC only

[@paulsladen]

@@RSEV Try a side-by-side comparison of the outlets, the (DC only) Type 2 on dual-cabled Tesla Supercharger V2 stalls includes an extra notch above the central earth contact-this notch prevents accidental insertion into most cars except Tesla Model S/X.

[@kriseightyfive5854]

Great video! I´m currently in the market for an EV, and preferably a model 3 or Y performance. But it´s crazy to see that if I want to order one now, I´ll take delivery summer 2023. Now that Tesla is opening up their charging network, it might push me towards another brand wich can actually deliver a car when I´m ready to make the switch. For example if I where to order an i4 right now, I´ll get it in a couple of weeks, and not have to wait a full year!

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Is it true the iX does not charge at v3?

[@somebody552]

Thank you for giving matt your tesla

[@danielpearcey5608]

Can you let me know which Tesla app to download? Tesla ? Superchargers for Tesla? Cheers

[@RSEV]

Just the main Tesla app. Red with Tesla logo

[@danielpearcey5608]

@@RSEV cheers

[@melcragg7814]

Great vlog. Thanks.

[@SteYoung]

Grrat video Richard. Ive no plans to order a first EV just yet but get a lot out of your vids! Keep up the fantastic work! ....PS It didnt take for these public charger costs to get close to 'current' fuel costs.

[@zackzada]

So an i4 is able to be charged in a Tesla supercharger in the US too? New to this (picking up my i4 at the end of the month)...there doesn't seem to be a lot non-Tesla chargers around here. Appreciate the insight.

[@rdmz135]

No. Only in some select European countries.

[@enyaq_gorm]

Charged the enyaq at Manchester superchargers last week. There was an ID3 there already so I parked beside that one to keep the disruption all to one area as we were both in the "wrong" place. V3 chargers so no concerns about being beside each other

[@wobby1516]

Agree with Tesla and certainly with you, don’t leave rubbish behind its so selfish to do so.

[@mullholand]

The two bays thing is a big deal.... Unsure how that is going to work unless they give out a super long cable.

[@Poxenium]

they can force good behavior though the app. It can tell you where to park based on your selected vehicle model.

[@pcat1378]

You just know that problems with people charging and having to queue will now start to happen around the UK the numbers increase more than the building of new charging locations. Standard UK effort.

[@ianmitchell9102]

Great info as always

[@mattb8734]

Interesting if they do this but think rugby one only one id use as furthest i go is Northampton to se my son 🤔👍🏼

[@petersimms4982]

Is that a saic or Jac Chinese bmw?

[@michaelzeuner1746]

In Canada (and I assume in the US?) our teslas don’t have the standard charging port, it’s some propriety Tesla charger if I’m not mistaken. Is there any theory on how that’ll work for non Tesla cars?

[@RSEV]

Yes that’s right, and kinda crazy really. You. Ie have adapters so you can use all the other chargers though right? Our model S and X only had type 2 but a chademo adapter followed by ccs adapter soon became available and commonplace. 3 and y have ccs which can be used on Tesla or any other public fast charger. All the same, just how it should be

[@ymcpa73]

@@RSEV No, we don't have all the adapters. We just have the J1772 and CHAdeMO. No one buys the CHAdeMO because there are few of those chargers in the US and they are very expensive. There are no official CCS adapters, but some people have bought a 3rd party adapters but they cost over $600. There was also a report of a guy modifying a korean CCS adapter to work in the US. Hopefully Tesla will release an official adapter and not charge too much for it. Frankly, I don't understand why Tesla's port didn't become the standard? It's not as bulky and was offered royalty free. The only advantage I can see for CCS is that you can plug in a J1772 without an adapter.

[@mark123655]

Correct. In US/Canada and Japan Tesla use a Proprietary connector called a TPC. Common theory online seems to be that they might add a CCS2 cable to the superchargers (much like these stalls have the 2md cable).. Or alternatively they might sell an adapter.

[@macgyyver_ca]

Tesla is just now in Canada converting a select few stations to have CCS adapters - you'll need to figure out where you can charge if you want to support that infrastructure. So far, we haven't paid a dime in charging outside of home - there are a bunch of free and some DC charging in Edmonton and surrounding communities!

[@Osmosis909]

People being people. They won’t think twice about blocking other bays, parking awkwardly and they won’t be at the least bit courteous towards Tesla owners, I think a lot will actually relish blocking off bays for Tesla owners, who are seemingly privileged because we’ve always had the super charging network.

[@pompeygreg]

Do they need to be courteous to Tesla Owners? At the end of the day they will be paying customers of the Tesla network. Tesla know that different models have charging in different places, and that will on occasion cause an issue where the position of the car wouldn't be optimal. Surely that is then Tesla's decision and the concerns of individual motorists are no longer relevant?

[@charland06]

Thanks Richard, interesting to see the opening of the Tesla network in the UK and how it works in practice. Re @6:29, "But I don't think there's any electric cars that would pull that [250kw]". I assume from context you probably mean non-Tesla EVs? I've seen 245kw pulled in a V3 Supercharger with a Model Y, for example.

[@ouethojlkjn]

Yes I was going to say the same thing. Even my 2019 model three standard range can draw nearly 230 kW.

[@thelifeofbatteries2603]

@@ouethojlkjn do you have proof of that as the standard model 3 is limited to 170kw

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@thelifeofbatteries2603 Proof? Well I didn't think the Charging Police would be on my back but as I recall, it was a supercharger near Brent Cross, it went up to about 230kw then 205kw then 160 ish and settled at about 105.

[@EP-mc5hx]

@@ouethojlkjn I think the model 3 SR+ Max out at 180 or 190kw , never got more than that

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@EP-mc5hx Yes someone else mentioned this too. I have only supercharged 3 times - both other times it was about 45kwh. However the battery was replaced so I dunno. I checked on the ev database just now and it does say "maximum 170kw" for a 2019-2020 SR+. I could speculate that my car maybe had a bigger battery and it now has the correct battery but other than this - no idea what an isolation issue is and if it was relevant.

[@nigelgarvey2046]

Timely subject excellently covered! 👍

[@anttiranki3690]

Hey Rsymons, I understand that it's awesome to talk about massive charging speeds etc. etc. but could you maybe make a short video to people about how little you actually need to use these Superchargers/Fast chargers? I'd argue that 90% of your charging will be done at home, if you are heading somewhere farther away then most likely you'll be spending the night or working/visiting somewhere for a few hours during which you can just plug your car in into a 11-22kw charger and have it topped up by the time you need to leave again. Only in very very few occasions do you actually need a fast charger. I've been an EV driver for about 3 weeks now, not once have I needed to use a fast charger and a handful of times my car has been plugged into a 11kw charger. Rest of the time it's just been sitting in a regular 2kw household socket. I've done about 2500km in it. I really really think that people have absolutely no idea how much their car sits idle in a parking spot or how their driving habits are actually like. If your daily commutes are say 50-80km then you'll be totally fine even without a 7-11kw wall charger at home. The car doesn't need to be 100 or even 80% charged all the time.

[@timblack7362]

In the UK a significant proportion of the urban and semi-urban housing stock does not have off street parking (e.g. Victorian terraced housing, flats / apartments with non allocated parking etc.) As such a significant proportion of EV users will be reliant on the public charge network 100% of the time (I will be one of them). So I get the point you raise, but to win over the sceptics charging on the move is a key argument. As the stock response is - "well in my ICE I can add 500 miles of range in 10 mins at the pumps"!

[@anttiranki3690]

@@timblack7362 Hmm...I suppose this is a cultural difference then as where I live (Finland) vast majority outside of the capital Helsinki has parking spots with access to home charging... and well, many people living in densely populated areas don't own cars at all.

[@teslaicar8173]

Common sense any one should know. 99.9% of Londoners hasn’t got a driveway or garage to install a ev charger. So we Londoners have to rely on public chargers. And in terms of tesla supercharge in London wen you see on GPS Tesla supercharger available then once you arrive it’s full with in minutes. We all tesla owners struggle in London supercharge to charge our vehicle so if they open to other manufacturers then there will be upset tesla owners in London. Tesla stands for there own supercharge network so how the hell they can open to other manufacturers. Tesla owners paid lot of money for their vehicle to get this service. I think the trial they are doing for other manufacturers EV they should immediately put a stop to it or TESLA should refund all tesla owner 25% of vehicle value back and reduce 25% on all tesla sale, then they can open supercharge for all manufacturers EV

[@fanfeck2844]

@@teslaicar8173 I’m presuming when he says it’s only some supercharger stations doing this, it will be one’s that have low use at the moment

[@spikebmth]

Do you need to stop charge via the app before unplugging, as you did at 9m 10s ? or you said to stop, just pull out plug? (7m 46s)

[@norfolkmustard]

There’s a button on the top of the handle, that will stop the charge (it’s the same button which also opens the charging flap of a Tesla wirelessly)

[@RSEV]

Doesn’t matter. Stop from app and unplug or just stop from car and unplug.

[@SI-qb1yn]

Very interesting, I've ordered a I4 M50 back in March, thanks for the info. Great content 👌.

[@tantanman2852]

Great video, bit odd to open the charging to other brands without increasing the cable length though, bit short sighted there and no doubt will only result in issues with non Tesla’s.

[@peterzerfass4609]

Opening them up was a software change (the CCS cable is also used by Model 3/Y so it was not added extra for this) . attaching longer cables would have been a much more costly hardware change.

[@hardsjeremy3973]

As this is a trial at quieter sites perhaps they felt it wouldn’t result in the site being full with unusable chargers. If it is a success and rolled out to all sites then maybe the chargers will be updated. At current prices I don’t think there will be too much use by non Tesla customers, but it is good to have more options for longer trips

[@tonygarlingewarren7456]

can I charge my car in 3 minutes and get 500 miles from it like a diesel car?

[@RSEV]

Can you refuel your car at home for £5? Enjoy spending your money and fuel and fixing your car. Just don’t ever moan about it. Bye

[@davidjohn0505]

Great video but I personally don’t think Tesla should have opened their network to other manufacturers. Tesla in my opinion set out at the beginning to create a network for their cars and the owners of their cars a fast and exclusive system. This cost vast amount of investment while other car manufacturers rubbished the Tesla concept and kept pumping out diesel and petrol cars. Now these lazy manufacturers have caught on that they can make loads of money out of selling EVs but have hardly done anything to build a fast supercharging network for their own cars. I’m not a Tesla owner but I would be raging if I went to a Tesla supercharger station and found a BMW taking up two spaces because BMW couldn’t be bothered building their own supercharge network. Sorry for the rant but I just don’t think this right

[@ouethojlkjn]

It is possible that Tesla are being pressured to do this like in America then they will gather the evidence of inconsiderate drivers and shut it all down again. And coincidently the network BMW is funding in Europe now has much higher rates for anything other than the manufacturers funding the rollout. You are quite right that manufacturers apart from Tesla I’ve been totally asleep at the wheel on this no pun intended!

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@garysmith5025 Original Teslas came with free supercharging but that was dropped as well.

[@davidjohn0505]

@@garysmith5025 yes I agree but what really annoys is the way other manufacturers are still pumping out Diesels and doing little or no work on the networks. Yes, I agree that Tesla might as well make some money of opening some of their network but not at the detriment of their loyal owners. I live in Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK) and there are no superchargers and very little chargers. I saw an advertisement by Mercedes bumming about how quickly you could charge their cars. So I wrote to Mercedes and asked where were these fast chargers in (NI) are situated. They came back and told me there where loads of superchargers in the UK so I wrote back to them and told them there where none in NI and they never replied. These manufacturers like Mercedes need to get their finger out stop building diesels and start building superchargers.

[@davidjohn0505]

@@garysmith5025 well why did Tesla install Superchargers? If these greedy car companies want to sell more cars then why should they not go into partnership with infrastructure companies and invest in a fast charging network. I worked in the Electricity Industry for over 40 yrs and there were loads of companies wanting to go into partnership with us to try out new ideas to bring cheap electricity to the consumer. In fact in the early 70s we looked at producing a turbine for sea power….this was way before wind power was even thought about. So no I don’t agree I think car manufacturers need to get their finger out and not leave it all to the Teslas of this world to provide Superchargers. I also think Government should get in on the act, that’s if they are really serious about getting us turn to EVs

[@ymcpa73]

@@garysmith5025 Telsa did offer to open up their standard royalty free if these companies would partner with them to build out the charging network. They refused and Tesla had to go alone. AS long as it offers them an advantage, they should keep the chargers exclusive. Once there is no advantage, then open them up.

[@michaelgoode9555]

Surely you should have used 3A so that nobody comes to use 3A and throttle both you and them?

[@traffic-law]

I hate watching a video to learn how to do something and I'm watching someone who, like me, has never done it before.

[@paulinchris]

A handy guide to non-Tesla charging.

[@justinholding02]

Here in France, today it's very often quicker and cheaper to cross the country using Ionity rather than Tesla SUC. Ionity being mainly located on motorway service areas, whereas Tesla SUC's are often a few miles away.

[@RSEV]

And for most brands like Porsche, bmw, Hyundai etc you can get Ionity waaay cheaper

[@justinholding02]

@@RSEV true! but all of that is going to change in July, no more payment per minute but per KW.

[@starvictory7079]

@@justinholding02 Per kw? So you pay extra for speed?

[@justinholding02]

@@starvictory7079 currently we pay per minute, but in July we will pay for each kW/h that is injected into the battery instead.

[@royd63uk]

@@justinholding02 just the same as here in the Uk then