RTX 4070 TIE Super Best Review.mp4

[@vextakes]

DONT TAKE MY TIEEE!!! Test system specs are in the description btw. Hope you enjoyed! edit- 29:40 in Remnant II I'm pretty sure the RTX 4070 Super was having power issues. You can see it was at around 150W when it should be at 220W or so. I pretty sure that was a driver bug or a situation where I should have tried reinstalling the driver again, but I did not catch it in the moment. I apologize for clowning on it so much to, those results are not correct, although I don't have corrected numbers atm. All Ik is I tested the OG RTX 4070 and it was faster than the 4070 Super in Remnant II so ik it's wrong. To mention, that was the only game in these tests that had the problem. Have a good one!

[@danielsuguwa746]

Well, great video to watch before my time to sleep. Thanks for that Vex, and always, will also not take your tie 👔 too 😊

[@vextakes]

@@danielsuguwa746 Thank god, i was scared

[@danielsuguwa746]

@@vextakes No worries Vex, hope you've a very nice day there! It's a really pretty busy day for me, so it's nice to be able to watch your video today. 😁

[@YaBoiKTwo]

Just noticed the tie wtf

[@MyNameIs1374]

this channel will soon hit 500k subs trust, remember me

[@Suprachicken1]

For those that don't know or do know. There used to be GeForce 2 Titanium and GeForce 3 Titanium video card. The chemical element for Titanium is Ti so therefore the short version of Titanium is Ti. Weather you say Ti or Tie (Short for saying Titanium), i think you're both right

[@theandroids]

If it was meant to be pronounced TIE it would be spelled TY. There its Tea Eye 😅

[@user-mt4zr5kp7h]

Yeah it was always said as Tie. If it were pronounced "T-I", then both letters would be capitalized. But it's not. The first is a capital and the second is lowercase, which makes that a word as far as I see it. Plus, You go back to the earlier Geforce days and everyone said it as tie at that time. You had the Geforce 4 Ti 4600, for example. Rolled off the tongue way better than RTX 4070 T-I SUPER 😂

[@theandroids]

@@user-mt4zr5kp7h its Tea Eye. Like Eye Phone. 😎

[@CRBarchager]

@@user-mt4zr5kp7h Exactly. Same as GTX, RTX, XT and XTX are pronounced with each letter. GeForce, Radeon and Ti are pronounced as words.

[@dealerauctionnightmare4689]

we should call it Tit.

[@tofu_golem]

As time goes on, the decision of EVGA to stop making graphics cards was a warning to all about what was going on in the industry.

[@mosesdavid5536]

Since evga stopped making graphic cards nvidia reached 1.48T and all aibs been making more profits. Evga leaving actually helped everyone else

[@Neonmirrorblack]

@@mosesdavid5536 Well obviously less competition among vendors means more profit among those that remained. Why is that a revelation? Sucks though, because EVGA was my primary GPU manufacturer for eighteen years. Their warranty and Step-Up were just ridiculous, and they also happened to make some of the overall best GPUs each gen...with some exceptions.

[@mosesdavid5536]

@@Neonmirrorblack Stop acting like you bought their gpus lmao.

[@Neonmirrorblack]

@@mosesdavid5536 What the hell are you even talking about? There are countless reviews out for all but the 4080 Super right now, and it's extremely easy to compare all of them from a value standpoint. The 4080 Super is getting a $200 price cut and will be around 5% faster than the vanilla 4080. As a matter of fact, I haven't purchased a 40 series yet, because both the 4080 and 4090 were way overpriced, and I already had a 3080 since day one. I am heavily considering getting a 4080 Super now though for 4K. Mainly because of the delay of the 50 series and you can't really find a sub $1,800 4090 anymore.

[@mosesdavid5536]

@@Neonmirrorblack I was talking about evga. Not many people even bought their gpus. Even yourself, the only people who think its a loss who haven't bought the gpus.

[@ForgedTony]

Thanks to all these new refresh, i went ahead and bought a 7900xt for 720. Woohooo

[@anthonybaker5199]

Damn 😂

[@neon_arch]

Getting a 4070 ti super 💪

[@ForgedTony]

@@neon_arch 💪

[@Reaper_ZL1]

⁠@@neon_archcongrats💪 getting a TUF XTX personally

[@devaditya009]

Right choice congrats

[@ForgedTony]

I was worried that since you were given these cards by nvidia, you might try to soften the blow to them, but honestly this was the most legit 7900xt vs 4070ti super review i have seen. Thanks for your continued honesty vex!

[@jaydatroll2963]

Vex had to put on the FBI cap for this one 😂

[@cemdover]

So glad i got the 7900xt it's a beast of a card.

[@maurice5402]

Same, so happy with this monster

[@riuos]

so would you reccomend it over the 4070 ti super? I am debating so hard if I should just get the 7900xt for $709

[@mantid83]

​@riuos yes.

[@krisu02x]

@@riuosIf you don’t care about heavy ray tracing titles, dlss, rtx vsr etc. amd is a good option

[@riuos]

@@krisu02x I think imah just go with the super because the lowest price (difference) -edit I have seen for the 7900xt is only $80 dollars sure I'm paying $80 for less frames but I also believe that the drivers for the card aren't at their potential either so I'll wait to see how it turns out

[@larrytaylor2692]

I can’t believe how old ray tracing is now and we still don’t have cards capable of running it good

[@kent6732]

running it well*

[@andreabriganti1226]

And we'll never get. It's that hard to understand that ray tracing has no limitation, on it's implementation ? When there will be GPU with better RT performances, developers will implement path tracing with 3 sources of bouncing lights instead of 2 and those new GPUs will struggle. It's a never ending loop. Wake up to reality.

[@Giliver]

I'd argue it's more of a developer problem then the cards. I mean look at the games ported from the PS5, they all run really well with Ray Tracing because they were forced to optimise it for console first. I'm gonna buy this card tomorrow (hopefully) and I'm hyped to boot up Cyberpunk with decent RT performance. (Obviously it can't handle overdrive but that's fine)

[@craig5340]

4090 runs it fine.. path tracing is brand new.. so it will not be handled for a bit

[@systemBuilder]

It's a miracle they can now do some of it in real time. The dream of real-time ray tracing is at least 60 years old, and by that measure (ray tracing is only 10% into the life of the dream) it's still a baby technology.

[@Mopantsu]

$710 is a temporary price point apparently on the 7900XT so if you are going to get one I would do it now since the official price is now $749. EDIT: After the 4070 Ti Super launch the 7900XT prices have shot up to $749 or more! Seems like the retailers saw the mediocre reviews and realized the value of the 7900XT. Pure greed as always trumps value.

[@CuttinInIdaho]

If you were right, Steam charts would reflect the influx on 7000 series cards...

[@itzarrandom6245]

This has to be something like the 7900GRE: High specs on paper, but the worst of the worst bins so the higher paper specs are mostly nullified

[@raivons]

7900 Gre is the best card in its price range

[@tilmandavies3239]

Nice set of comparisons. I really like the comparisons that include RT, RT+upscaling, RT+upscaling+framegen, which not a lot of youtubers bother doing. This is especially important at 4k, where I'm looking at playing on a 60fps-capped projector. FWIW, I don't think the 4070 ti super is bad -- I may well buy one for my needs -- it's just badly priced by historical standards... 16Gb VRAM is the clincher... subbed!

[@user-oq8hw8lo1k]

Your Ti/Tie intro was hilarious 😂

[@Valky1954]

The Tie memes are real

[@ricardocavazos1316]

Lmao great video Vex!! Well done 😂 Yours and the rest of the reviews really succeeded in selling me the 7900 XT, now I'm just waiting for it to arrive!

[@anthonybaker5199]

😂😂😂👍🏽

[@k3zz3y]

congrats on your purchase man, meanwhile i got a 4070 super and i'm waiting for it to arrive

[@ricardocavazos1316]

@@k3zz3y thanks man, congrats to you too, the wait felt like an eternity to me so hang in there, it'll be worth the wait (the 4070 super is also a great buy, well done)

[@dumbzero]

I have the 7800 XT and i'm pretty happy with it, good thing i don't want to pay like $300+ just for RT, that, at least for me, it's not worth it

[@patsk8872]

7800 XT is the most I will buy in this ridiculous, disappointing generation of cards

[@LawrenceTimme]

Enjoy the cheap GPU prices while you can. Another mining boom coming this year April ⛏️⛏️⛏️⛏️⛏️​@@patsk8872

[@anarchicnerd666]

Impressive review mate :D Glad Nvidia sent you review samples, you're moving up in the world! Nice test bench too. The performance delta between RT and raster on AMD and Nvidia is kinda nuts, especially in heavy RT titles like Alan Wake 2 with Path Tracing and Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive. It definitely seems like a "bonus" more than a core feature, I'd rather spend less money and get more VRAM and more raster performance, but that's just me. Honestly the most shocking thing is how meh the card seems, it really isn't justifying it's price particularly well even against the 4070 Super let alone the 7900 XT. Now that FSR3 is out, even if it's supported in less titles it's still not really an advantage Nvidia can wave in people's faces, at least not as much as it used to. Now I'm just waiting for 7600 XT reviews - all these cards are WAY outta my price range, poverty sucks XD Gonna be real interesting to see how much bus width and bandwidth limits that card, seems even 192 bit cards can be adversely affected.

[@haze2544]

Going from a rx570 to a 4070 super I feel happy with my purchase thanks for breaking it all down

[@JustGaming24]

just enjoy it bro

[@d-droll]

Breaking in what way? The fact that you won’t have 100500+ fps in old games, despite the fact that you can play the latest titles at maximum settings with path tracing, but AMD owners won’t? This is without even remembering about CUDA and accelerated by machine learning software, if you use your PC not only for games.

[@timothyolsen3400]

In case you aren't aware, i noticed in your palworld section you have a dlss spot but no FSR/TSR. Through Adrenalin you can add Radeon Super resolution (FSR) to any game you want that doesn't support it. This would have been a perfect opportunity to talk about some of the cool features AMD has that set it apart from Nvidia.

[@telefonbarmann4514]

I agree that both the 4070Super Ti and the 7900xt both are not a great deal. This complete generation is just super disappointing and this launch really didnt change much.

[@larsreintjes4173]

7900xt is ok value but not great

[@briangrant9942]

@@larsreintjes4173 only value for the 7900xt would be getting an open box deal on eBay.

[@systemBuilder]

I have to disagree strenuously. The 7900xt is the cheapest truly-4K available, and it comes with 20GB. Since even the 4090 struggles to ray trace in many4K titles, the 7900xt at $720 is actually the best-value card there HAS EVER BEEEN for 4K ..

[@SCARAB_CODE_X]

Somehow I suspected it. The TISU is not what I hoped for. Not bad, but not necessarily good either. 🥴

[@Qualkkuno]

Title is true. Your production value is off the charts, great video as always. Your channel is gonna keep blowing up.

[@Kapono5150]

Vex finally gets to try Frame Generation, Nice 👍

[@samson7294]

Its honestly very impressive technology but only if your base framerate is 60fps and above.

[@ibro2775]

I love how Vex became like Daniel Owen in the benchmarks

[@vextakes]

Fr. Honestly I always have way more data like this already prepared for the review then end up cutting it down. Figured I’d try to just show it all, then give the summary up front

[@Krenisphia]

Daniel is THE benchmark for GPU testing so more people following in a similar manner is not a bad thing.

[@DavidFregoli]

I thought this would destroy the 7900XT in raster but it looks more like a Tie

[@DavidBoggs-pk8nr]

I have the 4070 ti super as well. I can confirm ifyou overclock memory around 1500+ and core around 130-140. It starts to destroy that memory bandwidth barrerir. For example when someone gets 1440p ultra around 97-98 fps on the 4070 ti super. I get 111fps. and at 4k, I get 59.8 fps. huge improvements. Also the 7900 xt is faster at 4k cyberpunk as shown in other videos and havig had it myself.

[@madmaxgamiing]

In India 4070ti super price is less then 120$ then the 7900xt, which one i choose.

[@Trampus10-4]

I am seeing UE5 titles really hitting the CPU hard. Starship troopers mmo just upgraded from UE4 to UE5. CPU usage was 16-20% now is 50-60%! FPS 120-140 avg to 60-80 same settings. GPU usage fell off to 75-92% from 96-100%. It does change drastically from map to map and is in early access but still the difference isn’t worth the visual uplift.

[@KamleshMallick]

UE5 games use CPU or GPU?

[@jrmyg1621]

Ur videos always are getting better man 😂😅

[@twiistedpanda4781]

My guy got a test bench now? My guy went so far, wish you get bigger and better in the future A sub from 10k(?, iirc)

[@Trampus10-4]

7900xt is still top of its tier.

[@frankytanky5076]

Pretty hillarious. I was told this thing was gonna kill amd then it doesn’t even beat an xt.

[@riuos]

so im contemplating on getting the 4070 ti super but should i just get the 7900xt? i had returned the 7800xt to get a 4070 ti to see if i liked it but i see not differences and was planing on returning it to microcenter to trade for the super@@frankytanky5076

[@Roll_the_Bones]

@Trampus 10-4: OC the 7900XT to get +15%... 4070TiS can get you +4% max OC...

[@Thejacketof-huang]

Ahahahhahahahahahahha yes, tier of this 🚽🤣🤣🤣🤣 Trashdeon 7900xt is an obsolete gimmick peace of garbage 🤡🧠🚫💀

[@Thejacketof-huang]

@@Roll_the_Bones ah okok the oc ahahahha sub human AMDumb 🤡

[@borealis8uno]

AMD made a good job with the 7900xt, but coming from an old GTX 1080 Ti I am not interested in having "more of same" raster performance: if I decide to buy a card in 2024, good ray tracing performance is a prerequisite without which I would not feel the need to upgrade...

[@lord_nem3sis]

Good review 👍 I kinda regrethaving bought a 6950xt instead of the 7900xt roughly a year ago. but the 6950xt is still a amazing GPU, sadly no AntiLag+

[@Hoodbanger254]

i mean its not available on the 7000cards rightnow but probably in future it may come to 6000 cards amd isnt nvidia when it comes to supporting old hardware

[@IceBreakBottle]

No cards have anti lag +

[@joeyr184]

One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button.

[@uruacufutsal1]

Ironically the thing that the mass blame AMD cards for is actually better than the green side

[@kramnull8962]

Making the undervolt or the fan curve to stick during your off gaming times is the trick. Not to mention letting Adrenaline do the undervolt for you. Never has worked over 30 minutes. The zero fan curve, even when shut off is the worst enemy of the entire program. Amd trying to be way too picky about how I use my fans. I paid for all of them.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

Path tracing is unusable even on the 4090 without ray reconstruction. Also in AW2 most of the time you're in a forest so it doesn't do anything other than kill your frames. There are some segments in New York that look incredible with it on but they're rare so you can live without it. So far this tech demo is only worth it in Cyberpunk and Portal since you get the benefit the whole game basically.

[@justanotherlikeyou]

I played both Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty and Alan Wake 2 with a 4090 at 3440x1440 (Alienware OLED) and both were amazing with PT, RR, FG, DLSS Quality and getting between 90-130fps.

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@@justanotherlikeyou Well duh, you're playing on an ultrawide. On 4K your frames would be dying even with that card with PT on. We have a fair few years before it becomes polished enough to be featured in more games.

[@justanotherlikeyou]

@@anitaremenarova6662 That's exactly why I would never get a 4k monitor. The extra resolution just isn't worth the performance loss imo. 3440x1440 looks really good to me, especially OLED😊

[@anitaremenarova6662]

@@justanotherlikeyou Ultrawide is nice but if I had a 4090 I'd get a 3840x1600 one.

[@evan-du3vk]

I will never change mine uw monitor for 4k. I love the aspect ratio. And love to have better frames

[@Dexion845]

Definitely rooting for AMD to make RDNA4 to be the underdog champ next gen. I got a 4080 to game on this gen but i'd like to go back to AMD again. Haven't had a Radeon since the Radeon HD 7900. I just need polished drivers, better Ray Tracing, and a real equivalent to DLDSR.

[@kotztotz3530]

I really doubt AMD is gonna make an equivalent to DLDSR. It's been on Nvidia cards for about 2 years now. Most people don't use DSR to begin with. I love using DLDSR though.

[@Soloman-wy7ww]

Unfortunately, AMD canceled and will not be launching their high-end RDNA 4 GPU, so this will be the last generation where AMD tries to challenge NVIDIA in the high-end market. Instead they are skipping RDNA 4 and are now working on RDNA 5 to be the best mid-range GPU, which sucks because if AMD commits to dropping out then NVIDIA may up their prices across the board and call their GPUs premium cards and just cancel some of the mid-range GPUs since there's too much competition in the low to mid-range markets and no competition in the higher-end market. Get ready for the 5090 to start at $3000. Our last hope is Intel, but judging on leaks, their goal is to be the best budget GPU on the market.

[@anonalpha1190]

Nvidia rtx 4070 super owner here. I find myself turning Ray Tracing off because the performance hit is still just too big. May as well have got the 7900 GRE and saved some money.

[@LlonirTS]

Would love to see Fluid Motion Frames vs FG at the end there since it's officially released. Either way, it still looks like the 7900xt is the best buy for now.

[@Gamerlingual]

Sending you samples and you give your honest feedback. Very refreshing. Thanks!

[@garyreid2472]

While I've always used Amd as price to performance made Nvidia a poor choice. With upscaling becoming more important and RT now starting to become worth it (for me single player gamer) I did move to team green. 6700xt-4070 ti super with 5800x3d. Won't have issues moving back to team red but they need to improve feature set

[@miqotelover]

Great video, editing, and details. Very on point, and wonderful testing!

[@kanz1287]

I came in looking for justifications on buying the new Nvidia SUPERS but damn now I'm thinkin of getting that AMD 7900xt, the card is a beast. I play on a 3070ti + 1440p monitor, looking to move on to the next gen stuff.

[@KamleshMallick]

Are u okay with FSR? People say DLSS is better.

[@kanz1287]

​@@KamleshMallick Yeah I changed my mind, I'm probs gonna upgrade to the 4070ti Super, seems like a more sizeable upgrade from my 3070ti plus I do productivity work so it makes sense to stick to Nvidia.

[@larrytaylor2692]

If amd keeps lowering prices people aren’t even going to consider nvidia cards anymore

[@smokychristian]

Me after watching the title: excited to watch the review Me after finding out that the video have just been uploaded 2 minutes ago: excited to comment💀

[@WSS_the_OG]

Great job with this thorough comparison man. Very informative, thank you!

[@konstantinlozev2272]

Q: Which card do you prefer: 600, 700 or 800 USD? A:The USD 500 card (Rx 7800Xt)

[@Kevlord22]

After looking around, watching the reviews, what i really got for it was some respect for 7900 xt to be honest.

[@KaiStephens]

Yeah all these videos make me want to get a 7900 xtx actually

[@reviewforthetube6485]

The benefits of nvidia is to much right now for me the 4070 ti super gives you a 4080 experience without the extra 200 dollars. You get the 16gb of vram also. Just makes sense. Its also a 4k card no matter what people think a few games not doing well doesnt make it not a 4k card. But you can just lower a setting or 2 and enjoy.

[@bmdshred77]

Love how your channel has grown man. You doing very well. Love this style of review. Very Daniel Owenish but with better commentary in my opinion. Just got me a 4070 super for my tv pc based on this review. Loving it with ray tracing and dlss. I hate frame gen tho. My main pc is 7900xt but honestly man dlss now that I have seen with my own eyes is so far ahead of amd. And future games will require Upscaling

[@KamleshMallick]

Thanks for your comment If you say DLSS is far superior. I will stick to Nvidia. 4070 Super is very interesting but the extra 4 GB VRAM is future proofing. Thus am going for the 4070 Ti Super card.

[@bmdshred77]

@@KamleshMallick it’s good idea. I upgrade often so I didn’t mind getting only 12 gigs for now. Plus I have 7900xt in my other pc. Picked up 4070 super to play around with ray tracing and dlss. Haven’t had nvidia since gtx970. So it’s been while. 4070ti super will last ya a while for sure

[@NGreedia]

In hub’s review the tye super was just 2-3% faster than the non super tye. Definitely overhyped and not worth it as it’s not a cheaper 4080 as many thought it might be

[@jassco2]

They cut the L2 cache down from 64 to 48MB. This is what every reviewer is missing.

[@thefurmidablecatlucky3]

it's because he was using the MSI version of the card

[@johnnyboogalo4897]

Hub didn't test RT much tho

[@JayUchiha17]

I'm new to computer building. I bought a 2070 laptop 4 years ago and it was hell to get games to run at 1080p on medium settings over 60fps. It almost drove me mad. I sat down did my research and got the Tuf 4070 tie super/ryzen 7 7800x3d. I swear to you it runs every game at 4k max settings way above 60fps steady( temps never over 61 degrees at 99%). Everything looks unbelievable on my 4k monitor (never stutters thank you lord). I also have a 1440p 164Hz monitor and this GPU runs Warzone on high settings 250 fps without any overclocking, undervolting or optimizing settings my God. You really don't need a 4090 or 7900xtx unless you are buying a display to match and hell it's just overkill. I've got a 4k 120 hz monitor and forza 5 runs at specs to match on max settings and I'm like why do people never more than this.

[@cheesesilk]

I like this take! Good takes all around. Tie and all. . And dang, 7900xt went right up to $780 5 hours before your video went live haha .

[@anthonybaker5199]

You right. Damn 😂

[@vextakes]

Yeah, dam the price went back up. wtf, this stuff is so inconsistent. Hopefully it actually ends up sitting around $700 cos that’s where it needs to be

[@anthonybaker5199]

@@vextakes I do agree 👍🏽

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Dude the differences you showed are bigger then most. Pretty cool

[@mattheinbaugh46]

You have to take this into consideration: If you play games like avatar you may want to go NVIDIA because most new games may have ray tracing built in.

[@TheShitpostExperience]

Honestly I don't think this will be the case. Most games go console first and then get ported to PC, and consoles are on AMD hardware, they don't have Nvidia GPUs, so I doubt studios will focus on making games that will run bad on consoles to begin with. For example avatar on XBS, XBX and PS5 already needs to run at 30FPS on quality mode and from what I see on benchmarks, it runs at 30 with some dips in all systems (in XBS looking the worst by far). I personally wouldn't want to make games that run bad even if I capped at 30FPS, and since we are still a few years away from the next gen consoles I don't think RT only will be a think for most games.

[@ziudra91]

This is what the 4070 super should have been like

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

Pretty sure the 4070 Super should have been faster than a 4090 😤

[@zerobalance4027]

​@@mechanicalmonk20203090*

[@stangamer1151]

Amazing review, Vex! All thumbs up!

[@Dwoalin]

I was so set on getting the 4070 Ti Super to upgrade from my 4 year old 2070 Super but now I'm considering going with the 4070 Super.

[@TalonsTech]

I’ve got them both. The 4070 Super FE is just an unreal value card. I’m not super impressed with the 4070 Ti Super.

[@Krenisphia]

I think if you have 800 to spend on a GPU then you most likely have 1000 for the 4080-Super, which is what I would personally get if I was shopping in that range. But for value, I agree the 4070-Super is one of the better ones from Nvidia.

[@systemBuilder]

AMD has raised the 7900 xt prices partially back up because NVidia once again blew it with these new "Super" card releases ... The 7900xt gives you 8-20% more frames which is quality bump comparable to ray tracing. Moreover, in many games you can turn on low-medium ray tracing and get 90% of the benefits with equal performance to the NVidia cards. It's only with path tracing where the whole experience sucks that NVidia cards suck just a little less. Don't be fooled. 7900xt FTW !!

[@k1cs1m3a8]

Don’t 12gb of vram. Its will end up like 3070ti ….

[@systemBuilder]

@@k1cs1m3a8I own a 3070ti and I approve this message. The 3070ti is the most expensive 8GB card ever and nobody should be buying one today!

[@PeypaMikko-1842]

Awesome job, Vexlin. Much appreciated.

[@revyrev28]

Loving the pokemon black/white music 🙏🏾💯

[@thedarkemissary]

Real question. Read carefully. Stick with me here: If "TI" was originally a modifier (ie 4070 TI), and if Nvidia is phasing out the 4070 TI, then is this 4070 TI Super considered an upgraded version of the regular 4070 Super? If so, shouldn't it be called a 4070 Super TI? If not, how can it be consider the Super version of a card (4070 TI) that will no longer exist? Would that not just be the follow-up version of the same card (ie 4070 TI v2)? Maybe incoherent rambling. New to building and the various naming conventions.

[@Trampus10-4]

Well when you looking at card tier’s the 4070ti would be pushing to compete with the 7900xt. 4080+ would be 7900xtx. 4090 is in its own tier. That being said, 4070, 4070 ti are bottom of tier with 7900xt on top non RT. Yet man the 7900xt RT is absolutely stunning for second gen RT!!

[@matejnemec3022]

7900 XT is pretty much unuseable for RT. But so is anything from nVidia under 4080 if we are being realistic. It's just not worth the performance and upscaling tradeoffs in RT demanding games most of the time. People seem to forget that framerate=temporal resolution and high framerate just feels and looks so good. Also upscaling anything lower that quality at 1440p generally looks so much worse than native, especially FSR, but even DLSS most of the time. Selling point for nVidia is DLSS, which is clearly much better than FSR and then CUDA/application support/possibly better streaming experience. RT is relevant only for like 2 of their cards 4080 and 4090. Even with the 4090 I sometimes debated if RT is worth it - both Cyberpunk RT overdrive and Alan Wake 2 both run under 60 with Quality DLSS at 4k and since they both are shooters it is really noticeable and framegen does nothing to solve input lag/slugishness.

[@Trampus10-4]

@@matejnemec3022 I agree. Everything other than rasterization is more of a gimmick at the moment. RT being one. Other problem is devs are relying on the gimmicks to bolster their games instead of polish the game itself. Just the RT performance in AMD second gen is definitely a huge leap. I would say a larger leap than Nvidia and its 1st to 2nd gen. 3rd gen may be an even longer jump, possibility place AMD 3rd gen on par with 3rd gen Nvidia RT?

[@Poosclartist]

God i wish the 4070 super was 16gb, its perfect for my price range but 12gb terrifies me 😢

[@cybernit3]

Ya, I think NVIDIA should have up'ed the VRAM to 16GB for the 4070 Super...but then you have the 7800xt or 7900xt option. I have a 7800xt and its good enough for my needs. Just like to say respect Vex's review even though NVIDIA sent him those cards.

[@samson7294]

Honestly if you're playing at 1440p, the 12 gb VRAM isn't really going to be an issue for the foreseeable future but I get it. Its better to be on the safe side with 16 gigs and higher bus. Its why i opted for the 7900xtx., Although im probably gonna sell my 7900xtx and buy the 4080 Super.

[@darkgamingbro]

12 gb is fineee. 8gb is gonna be a real issue though

[@789uio6y]

The vram is just another bad argument to justify the existence of AMD for "youtube tech expert"(they are delusional and not expert), they can't even judge vram perfectly, 4060ti 8 gb and 4060ti 16 gb is the same performance in all things, and when you got more then 8gb vram usage on 4060ti 16gb, you get a 4060ti 8 gb performs the same, even though it not uses 8 gb of vran, just uses mybe a regular ram that not make any big difference. All the vram issue is just a marketing, a good one, Nvidia know very well that's a marketing and make useless 4060ti to grab you money for nothing. It the end 4060ti 16 gb and 4060ti 8 gb will end in the same time.

[@Mesh-9]

If you don’t care about rt and dlss just go with 7900xt

[@trulyShrimp]

I might buy a 7900 xt because I want a really good gpu for the future and the 4070 super with only 12 gb of vram seems obsolete in the near future and 20 gb seems fine for the next 5 years

[@evan-du3vk]

4090 will be old in 5 years. Everything that's not have 100 frames or more in 4k in newest titles is already old at start.

[@trulyShrimp]

@@evan-du3vk I'm going to be playing 1440p not 4k

[@ChinchillaBONK]

The 7900xt really aged well compared to its launch

[@Spr1ggan87]

They say Ti as Tie because originally that type of card was called the Titanium Edition, Ti is short for Titanium.

[@skym1nt]

super tie

[@spartaninvictus]

All these runnings 👀, what a job you did 🔥👏👏

[@legend4090-Otp]

Soo, is RTX 4070 SIPER good for Game devloping and making 3D models, streaming, and gaming? I was planing to buy a new PC... Please help me with that I skiped 3070, 3070 ti because it didnt fit the requirements- :)

[@thrive4ever]

Yep😊

[@tryfergoodra552]

hello did you experience coil whine in any card? i dont get much of this in reviews and is important to me , db in the fans yes but also coil whine , guess depends on the model too , also crashes concerns me. Im between the 4070, 4070s and 7800xt. Although the 4070 needs to go down to 500$ cuz rn have not sense

[@Roll_the_Bones]

@tryfergoodra552 I think coil whine comes mainly from an over-stressed PS, more than the card. The Gold efficiency standard doesn't mean the PS is properly stable, that's a totally different thing, and is one of those hidden stats that the PS manufacturers don't publish.

[@IceBreakBottle]

Coil whine has nothing to do with model and can happen to any individual card. It's basically a lottery.

[@Krenisphia]

@@IceBreakBottle This. Coil whine is simply noise that is produced when an electrical current runs through electromagnetic coils. It's physics, you can't eliminate it. In some GPU's it's more noticeable but it can happen to any card. Don't worry too much about it

[@primesuspect4992]

Great Video, the value in the 7900xt is great. I rather play at 4k then 1440p with RT. Ordered 2 XFX 7900xt Black Editions. I'll put that $200 towards the next generations when they launch.

[@marsovac]

I expect a video of crossflashing a 4080 bios on it. The tools that allow crossflashing now exist, and this is AD103.

[@Milofox1]

I like your videos, keep up the good work👍

[@0xBULLgogi]

Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into these comparisons. I think alot of differences at this point can also be chalked up to possibly software optimization through driver updates and also game optimizations? However, I think it is safe to say that the RTX 4070 Super provides the best value at this time of writing in terms of cost/performance/power efficiency.

[@stunytsuR]

Just bought it last week. I'm happy

[@alexsawler1803]

Tysm for these vids. I hope waiting for the 4080super is worth it

[@ilovelimpfries]

16Gb is the minimum ram you're gonna need for future AAA games. All current gen consoles are running on 16GB architecture so expect any gpu that didnt have 16gb going to struggle when the devs eventually ported their games to PC. I'm looking at you GTA6.

[@3_3kswa]

It’s 16 shared ram on consoles, not all of it is vram

[@PineyJustice]

@@3_3kswa Most of it is, the OS uses very little ram with the majority of it being used for video. Secondly, PCs have additional security so direct memory access is much faster for consoles, being purpose built and optimized for they have big advantages so a PC should really have about 50% more cpu/vram/gpu power to run at the same settings in every game vs a console. Lastly, the pro consoles coming out fairly soon have dedicated 16gb of vram with dedicated cpu ram too, so 16gb is about to truly become the base requirement for playing games at 1440p high/ultra.

[@letix6220]

Ok, so by that logic with 12 GB of VRAM and 32 GB of DDR5 I have 44 GB of VRAM? That's not how it works buddy lmfao@@PineyJustice

[@PineyJustice]

@@letix6220 What are you on about? Current consoles have 16gb of shared vram, my comment says that it's mostly weighted towards gpu, which it is, the OS uses less than 2 of the 16gb. Secondly a PC should have about 50% more of each resource, cpu power, gpu power, ram and vram due to things like denuvo or other anti piracy junk degrading performance. Lastly, the new pro line of xbox and ps5 will have dedicated vram and ddr5 instead of shared.

[@ilovelimpfries]

@letix6220 nope you're still going to have 12gb of vram. 128gb system ram didnt mean jack shit when porting console games as the Devs are lazy. If the game accessing more than 12gb of vram, you're in trouble. Which is why the last of us and jedi survivor runs like crap on pc in the early days. Devs are too lazy to code the game to use some of system ram.

[@trivium2590]

Great review! Keep up the good work.

[@ovemalmstrom7428]

If I was shopping for a gpu in this tier the rx 7900 xt would be my pic, no doubt about it. Sorry Nvidia, you lost this fight.

[@jernaugurgeh451]

That the non-super 4070 Ti originally released with only 12Gb 192-bit VRAM for $800 is still absolutely unbelievable to me.

[@spike178]

All gpu cards are £200 overpriced still, especially the 4070 super Ti

[@tomthomas3499]

Pretty disappointing since i expeced for 4070 tie super to bring even more uplift compared to 4070s, some even dare to say it's gonna smoke 7900xt..

[@paulboyce8537]

I have to say you are one of my favorite reviewers. Always feel like there is no bias in it. 16gb is the minimum in my opinion and 256 bus. That's why I think A770 can do so much with lot lower FPS and 4k satisfactory. 4070ti super now has what it takes. But in my opinion too expensive. I'm personally waiting for the Battlemage that is expected to land somewhere between 4070ti super and 4080 for the price $450-500. But there are so much rumors from Xe 40 /192 bus to Xe 64 / 256 bus. All this for 250W. But if it is only Xe 40 /192 bus it will be DOA and it is not for me.

[@Swift_Dinosaur]

One of the greatest computer youtubers

[@marektomas9256]

So far best rtx 4070 TI Super review. And you are not as big as some others, but I like your review most. Maybe some final graph discussion where you show results together. But so far GN tried something new and ..ok power consumption was very deeply review, but other staff was messy and Steve spoke too quickly. HU has some mistakes from beginning, it seems the review was rushed and results were "strange". JTC was OK, but he did as usually just few test and more talk. :)

[@archivesincomplete]

Woah. I have the same mouse (also set with purple rgb), mouse pad, and desk color. Surreal to see it in a yt video.

[@Obie327]

Vex, After pouring over the data... The 4070ti Super isn't really worth it unless needing the 16 gigs of ram. (Might be power limited?) The 4070 super at $599 is actually enough for me @ 1440p (70hrtz) And uses less wattage @ 220 watts. The 7900 is pretty impressive price to performance, But will require a PSU upgrade to handle the 350+ watt load. The lower end Super and AMD's offering are worth my purchasing dollar. Thanks for the detailed analysis and Peace!

[@vextakes]

Ye. The 7900 xt and 4070 ti super actually draw about the same power. Unless 12vhpwer was limiting the 4070 ti then it should’ve been fine

[@Obie327]

@@vextakes Just snagged a Asus Dual 4070 Super at Micro! Thanks again for the hard work and informative info! Peace!

[@sircartdark]

I heard that AMD's gpus run better in dx12, especially in fortnite. I would like to see that in the future if that is possible. amazing in depth review as always.

[@ging3rbreadtiger618]

Vex in your opinion. Does FSR3 look as good as DLSS?

[@riuos]

So should i not get the 4070 ti super? I am contemplating this because i recently returned my 7800xt to get a 4070 ti, to then replace it with the super when i exchange it. But after this review I'm feeling a bit let down with the performance of the card as I'm basically paying 33% more for just the brand name and their software. Which I loved the amd adrenaline software more because i can customize my gpu to my liking

[@KamleshMallick]

Many people say DLSS is far superior to FSR. And many games will need this in future. So maybe it’s worth it. The Ti Super.

[@noOtherFs]

What I'm waiting for is when the regular 4070 price drops lol Also woah, is that an Iron Man Arc Reactor ornament on the CPU cooling fan??

[@jassco2]

The L2 cache was cut down to 48MB to match the 4070S. The 4080 has 64MB so this is not a cut down 4080, is a massively gimped one.

[@_jn0298]

NVidia staking names for their gpus is hilarious

[@skittleslover651]

honestly, imo if youre upgrading from like a 10-20 series (like me, i went from a 1660 non super to a 4070 ti super and i dont regret getting it) or a 5000 series gpu upgrading to a 4070 ti super or a 7900 xt is insane and worth the money

[@motivsmaras]

Linux left, Vex is here... long live the king

[@anthonyortiz4254]

A lot of games are optimized for a GPU or CPU for either camp. Nvidia does have better ray tracing performance, better upscaling quality with DLSS quality, and lower power draw. The 16GB VRAM helps with some games at 4k. I own the Gigabyte 4070 TiS OC, but I'm getting a little higher frame rate with it than what you're posting using the same 7800X3D. Good comparison that may need to be revisited in a few months when drivers mature.

[@nw6066]

In 1 year, after ces2025 price will be: 4070 super - 450$, 7900xt 500$, 4070ti super 550$. Or even less, just to be able to compete with new gen. Just dont buy overpriced. Mining is over and prices will go down. For midrange/upper midrange for sure

[@Inversible100]

I don't think so. The cards will disappear as soon as the 5,000-gen is released.

[@azox_sudo]

im noticing people notice how valuable amd card comapred to nvidia after super lunch and appreciate the video vex just got 1 thing did you use amd at editing and give us feedback on that

[@selohcin]

I was astonished to see how much faster than RX 7900 XT was over the 4070 Super.

[@g1ntlontop905]

tbh tho to anyone who says that they "dont care " about ray and tracing and what not the thing is if youre paying 700+ usd for a graphics card or just a 1440p gpu in general youre gonna expect to be able to ray trace and trust me ray tracing is worth that price tag unless youre buying a 1080p card get nividia if the amd counterpart isnt like crazy cheap or something

[@Superdazzu2]

the only good thing of this gpu generation is that we get to know the performance of next gpu generation lower tiers. I already know i'm going to buy the next rtx 5060 ti if it performs in between a 4070 super and 4070 ti super

[@i3l4ckskillzz79]

Don't you loose some performance with that pcie riser cable? I was always curious if that's a thing and avoided it

[@stevegomez232]

Honestly if AMD fixes their issues with ray tracing they will be absolutely stomping NVIDIA

[@randomname392]

Imagine if NVIDIA didn't change the name for the 4070 ti... The 4080 12gb super... With 16gb... Thank god they changed that.