Ruby Rose Vs Nevermore: Original vs Anime Comparison

Which one is better in your opinion?

[@rejoicingfakepriest201]

That closeup to Ruby's face as she drags the Nevermore upwards was good, but in overall hype and choreography, OG always wins. Monty never misses.

[@rejoicingfakepriest201]

Also where can I watch the episodes officially?

[@mercuryblack]

@@rejoicingfakepriest201 You can watch it on KZbin on Crunchyroll's channel. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6rYk2edorRrgrc

[@rejoicingfakepriest201]

@@mercuryblack Ah, thanks a bunch 😌

[@SenseiDbo]

Not in my opinion

[@rejoicingfakepriest201]

@@SenseiDbo Ok.

[@sagatheshapeshifter]

Both versions have their pros. The original makes use of its 3D nature to bring some fluid animation and sweeping shots, but because it's Volume 1, there aren't many textures to speak of making some things look a bit flat. Meanwhile, where the anime lacks in animation and choreography, it makes up for it with lots of flair and detailed shots.

[@diegoalcayagalopez8235]

they did not put the song red like roses in the anime

[@JasonXLV1]

been begging for years for RT to remaster vol 1

[@Micharlus]

The problem is this combat choreography is specifically one of the greatest strength of RWBY. It makes it stand out. Combined with the short humour fitting inside the rhythm it's a reason why personally I started watching RWBY in the first place. The anime is... like other anime. I don't see it standing out in any way. If I want cool skill effects, I'll just watch lastest Fate or something. Even 1:17 Weiss feels like some basic anime princess instead of proud and cold Weiss that at least isn't present in every 90s shounen. And since I'm nitpicking already, the 0:43 levitation on runes should just be deleted, it pains to watch this dynamic as a log movement. xD

[@Kyla-Stormhazard]

@@Micharlus oh yeah, the entire fight before and during the approach to the bird felt pretty rough. That said, I feel like the stuido did take after Monty a bit when it came to the actual execution of the bird. Monty put a lot more emphasis on when someone was hit to give more payoff, the anime looked exceptionally pretty and fluid the moment Ruby started dragging the grimm up the cliff.

[@ManomiiFox]

​@@JasonXLV1 nothing's the same without mony oum, and monty passed away.

[@dunkyking6310]

I personally like the visual style of the anime, but the animation is way smoother on the OG. Monty really knew what he was doing, and he did it in spades

[@benjaminwilliam6643]

Bruh the anime is fking sick the 3d one is also very fkjng good but it lacks polish though which is fair considering that at the begining rwby is a small team but yea i think that the anime is better than the 3d but the 3d deffinetly layed some great ground work

[@justinserrano4506]

It’s not smoother. It’s just simple. Didn’t need the extra flare.

[@dunkyking6310]

@@justinserrano4506 it definitely is more fluent than the 2D

[@justinserrano4506]

@@dunkyking6310 it isn’t. It’s simple with no impact. No weight to the movement.

[@dunkyking6310]

@@justinserrano4506 idk, man. The movement feels slower in the anime lol

[@iiBakedDonut]

The anime version definitely has a lot more character but the animation itself I almost couldn't understand what was going on. The OG version is a lot smoother and you can tell what is happening. Just proves that Monty's ability to animate is legendary.

[@davidlanceescandor1310]

Its like comparing a powerpoint presentation to an FPS shooter at 60 fps.

[@iiBakedDonut]

@@davidlanceescandor1310 Facts.

[@yuh7766]

exactly!

[@LordOfRaven621]

Yeah the anime fighting style is wayyyyyy to slow in my opinion it’s like it’s running in 10 frames per sec and that’s slower than a lot of other animes.

[@davidlanceescandor1310]

@@LordOfRaven621 Hopefully the writing isnt going to suck balls. Volumes after 4 and 5 seem to take a whole load of piss.

[@dantemoriarty4059]

The one thing that hit me the most was how epic "Red Like Roses II" make the scene, a shame the anime didn't take the same songs, it hit as really bland withgout it, the quality of animation is its only saving grace

[@Shdw-ce8zi]

yeah the songs were awesome

[@skywoofyt5375]

Don't blame the anime man, Rooster Teeth probably didn't even bother giving the studio permission to use their OSTs

[@dinodare1605]

Yeah, I started watching it and quickly stopped watching it because the soundtrack being so different was too distracting for me to enjoy it. I could tell that it was good, and I probably would have liked it if I hadn't seen the original, but all my brain can think when I try to make myself watch it is "boring music."

[@amurokaiser5077]

Well its either the boring music or lawsuit by rt

[@FF18Cloud]

I don't think it was getting sued by RT If that was case, Shaft shouldn't be able to use RT"s characters. I think it was because they weren't doing this synced up with Red Like Roses II like the original Instead they focused (and forget the animation and shot quality if it doesn't make that much sense) on the characters actually talking. If there's something that didn't make sense in the OG, it was how they were able to do all this teamwork stuff without talking. The og fight was still sooo much better than the anime's, fluidly better, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I dunno, give it to shaft to have these characters actually say something I guess during these moments?

[@abcguy1]

The OG has alot more subtle character in it. Things like the brutality of choke slam of the mountain. The dramatic pause and shift of weisses Griff from black to red. And the fast paced motion of the fight. My vote here is OG. Monty is a hard dog to beat

[@skitt2366]

clown

[@wolverinex9748]

clown(2)

[@critterwhisperer5821]

@@skitt2366 why? Who? You? I can see that. Spammers

[@Drive2t]

I totally disagree. The anime has been much more brutal. The impact of the animation of the way it rockets up is much greater than OG. Plus that little detail where the ravine collapses at the end and Ruby flipping. Honestly, great additions that OG lacks.

[@andrew_h6]

I think the character shines through in that in the OG, Ruby and Weiss are still making small jabs together while executing their first team play. The anime version is too serious, and without the jokes and OG voice acting I can’t help but feel like Queendom just doesn’t have the sparkle that made RWBY so fun to me.

[@uncrownedking2117]

I like the OG more, it looked like she was propelled thanks to everyone's team work which made it cool. The anime version just looks like she's floating

[@supermax5000]

True

[@AndreaPancakes]

I think You mixed up a bit

[@billybob8800]

I’m pretty sure the Nevermore broke out of the ice, so Weiss had to alter the glyphs so they wouldn’t miss. In the original they just straight blitz him. I wish they didn’t had the Nevermore break the ice so they could hold on to the momentum of that moment.

[@vic5837]

After watching the anime, 3d looks less fluid to me. And anime has more expression and the motion of there clothes relative to there movement is just chef kiss, something that makes every action scene more vibrant compare to OG.

[@itsjustvin7630]

@@vic5837 too bad their choreography is just too slow compared to what Monty's done

[@Umbrox-57]

Anime version; Drags the conversation a bit but the scythe drag up the mountain was awesome asf. OG Version; Keeps the conversation short and funny and the mountain scene awesome too. Plus, little more humour doesn’t hurt.

[@xefra6957]

I could not agree more

[@dualitygrief576]

@@edea_oblige tbf it has been established that ppl with Aura can and have been trained since their early years

[@lynling7830]

@@edea_oblige what? The OG has more physics and logic unlike the anime tho? At 1:01 ruby landed like that because her scythe is heavy while in the anime 1:09 she is turning it like some damn fiddle 🤣. I'll say it again, OG gas more logic and physics, watch it full and even the gunshots are realistic unlike in the anime where every gun is a fucking grenade launcher because all of them make explosions 🤣.

[@vd6070]

@@lynling7830 The anime also has zero recoil on weapons that should have very noticeable recoil. Nora is the only one who has recoil with her weapon, which makes the fight animations look stiff if they're not actively moving around at all. Meanwhile in RWBY OG, everyone had recoil aside from Yang who threw her punches against the recoil (even then, her recoil was displayed as her reeling her arm back. She used the force of the weapon's recoil to prepare to throw another punch, which I think is really goddamn cool)

[@russellweefs]

​@@lynling7830 That landing in the OG is actually weak though. No ease in and out, no stretch and squash, and only slight follow through and overlapping action with the skirt. The landing in the anime follow those principles and you can clearly see the impact when she lands.

[@nuzzkue9371]

I'm excited for the anime, But the original is better. Damn I sure miss monty's creations & the voice lines with Ruby & wiess. Ruby: "Can you make the shot?" Wiess: "heh, Can I?" Ruby: "...can you?" Wiess: "Of I Can!" That was some funny stuff back in the day. (I've been trying to do 3D animation like Monty-Oum for other purposes, It is not easy, but damn he made it look easy to do & it was so Smooth too!)

[@Nerbby]

@Chelsea Lindsay i would love to read it!

[@billygabrielz]

Monty is a great standard to look up to for animation. Sometimes I revisit videos like Dead Fantasy and am in awe with how much he was able to create so early on. The guy wasn't human

[@itsjustaline]

@Chelsea Lindsay dam ! Can you send me too ??

[@StarGazerStudiosTV]

@chelsealindsay4821 Ayy Sounds interesting :D

[@TriXJester]

Its weird how I find animation made recently to be more clunky and unappealing than animation done in a really old program. Monty truly was a genius when it came to action and shot composition...

[@nepnep1149]

There were only 4 animators till volume 4 just think about that. You can’t compare the old vs the new because he did something the new can’t do he put his soul into that work.

[@TheCursedCat1927]

@@nepnep1149 Quite literally, since the outcome of RWBY was important for the Team's Future.

[@GuyLogen]

3D Vs 2D, it's not comparable. 3D is always going to look smoother

[@lumisussy]

The anime is missing really basic stuff like Ruby's cape and hair flowing in the wind. It makes it feel like the battle is constantly paused and pushed to the side.

[@ItsSwissBeatz]

@@lumisussy That's just the nature of 2D vs 3D animation. It's not a style choice it's a compromise they can't avoid due to budgetary reasons.

[@thomaschadwick7544]

I really like the original conversation between ruby and Weiss, the new one is a lot more anime-ish which yeah it's an anime now but was hoping they keep the original feeling

[@thetiredworm2100]

Ya, the comedy of the original was one of its major charms, it’s especially the reason why I liked our main character, Ruby, so I wish they’d keep it.

[@plumli4947]

I'll be honest, I'm a hater, I always thought the fanbase worship of Monty is so cringey...but no...you all are RIGHT. Monty was the GOAT. I can't believe I'm saying his Poser animation is legitimately more exciting and more charming than Ice Queendom. Team JNPR's fight was practically put on a shelf compared to the original.

[@mystaee2914]

I think I prefer the pacing and shot composition of the og as well as how heavy ruby feels. The shots propelling her forward, the impact on the wall, the glyphs that run up the cliff just all feel so satisfying. The new one feels more floaty until the final execution

[@ArkanMatlub03]

If we skipped Weiss lifting Ruby up, it would definitely feel a lot better

[@adicacid]

From this one scene we can see the original definitely has more spirit poured into it, a testament to the passion by the original creators. Small details like the rope shaking from tension, Ruby's launch creating a shockwave and blasting off rocks, bits of the cliff face coming off as the Nevermore gets dragged up. I also prefer the sound effects of Ruby's rifle-scythe in the original, it feels heavier and really sounds like it has recoil. The movement in the anime feels awkward, when Weiss corrected Ruby's trajectory and it looked like she was just floating instead of soaring through the air with momentum. In terms of dialogue there is also large contrast which could be attributed to cultural differences. The original has more wit to it while the conversations in the anime is standard anime fare. One thing the anime has over the original are the stills, shots look prettier and have a lot more detail. Overall from what I've seen in clips online the anime is a bit of a letdown (for now) but SHAFT is one of the better studios out there and the staff behind this is good (we have Uro-butcher on board) so I'll eagerly wait for the future episodes especially those that diverge from the original story.

[@aramis9331]

Good analysis

[@Rafael-qh9zc]

the nostalgia is very noticeable, you mention the details of the original but you don't mention the errors it has like the lousy animation of the legs when running and you don't mention that the anime has details that the original doesn't have, like when Weiss helps ruby ​​in the final attack it has more movement and has gusts of air from the attack, when destroying the wall there is more dust and debris, in ruby's last movement it is more fluid and feels more alive when falling with dust and wind from the height, and they show you how the bird that is still in that place and shows you how it breaks the ice to free itself, something that the original does not show, also the anime shows you each shot that ruby ​​makes and that carries fire. The fanaticism for the original is very noticeable. If you don't understand something, sorry I don't speak English and this is with the translator.

[@andrew_h6]

@@Rafael-qh9zc Obviously the show created nearly 10 years ago by one guy using 3D animation isn’t as consistent or pretty as Studio SHAFT. I think that the original shines brighter than the anime despite the rough exterior it has during early volumes. In my opinion, the anime has incredible animation but it’s sorely lacking when it comes to character writing and dynamics (compared to the original). Even here, Ruby and Weiss’ exchange in the OG was brief and witty, whereas in the anime they are really flat and serious, having a rather drawn out exchange despite in the middle of fighting a giant Nevermore.

[@OtakuGamingsRandomChannel]

"Well, that was a thing" I wholeheartedly agree yang

[@astrono07]

I busted out laughing when I heard that.

[@Justyouraverageghostva]

Not even gonna compare art styles, just that while watching this I quoted the original the whole way through and feel accomplished 💜

[@keito-kun6618]

amen

[@remingtonluther6693]

Same Honestly the little dialog in the og was better then the anime Just fit more and honestly was more real in my opinion These two just met of course ruby would wonder if Weiss was being sarcastic or not And while the convo was sweet in the anime weisses reassurance felt kinda fake She wasn't that thawed out yet to be that nice to ruby

[@jking6053]

@@remingtonluther6693 From what I can tell.. her being fake is kind of the point. She’s playing nice now after coming to terms with the fact that they will be a team and is trying to appear supportive to be the team leader.

[@fatimacastro8354]

I inmensly apreciate how well monty managed pacing and dialoge, but actualy considered momentum during these secuences. Many of the anime moments felt akward for the wrong reasons.

[@_NJ_-]

I noticed that in the anime, before Ruby was propelled the animation kinda looks stiff but during the attack the animation suddenly got super detailed

[@seedad117]

Because the animator changed when the shot switch is wiess making platform for ruby to run on nagata animated the best shots of this anime you can see the big shift in quilty when ever it's his turn

[@nicodalusong149]

Okay, I reviewed this over and over and here's the thing: both are doing things right but the new version is more active for lack of a better word. The reason the new version looks weird is because the nevermore is escaping the ice and changing elevation (it's trying to fly away/gain distance) which is why Weiss needed to give Ruby an extra lift. Compare that to the original where the nevermore was just hovering in place (it was practically waiting to get hit which looks silly and doesn't make sense). The momentum looks off in the new one because of the extra slope but I'm not sure they could have done anything about it without making Weiss just railgun ruby at the nevermore which would look far different from the original.

[@johannesh.9955]

When Weis lifts Ruby with her force fields, it simply moves the character up. If Ruby had tightened her legs or made some other movement to show the effect of the sudden upward movement, the animation would have more impact.

[@nicodalusong149]

@@johannesh.9955 I watched it one more time and it shows Ruby changing from a landing posture to her floating across the extra ramp then shifting to prepare to hit the nevermore. The shift isn't too obvious and it doesn't really involve the feet. They could have given her a more dynamic pose but, at the same time, the extra ramp was too short to actually let Ruby do that and show it off properly. I'm thinking that they wanted to really retain the momentum from the original but with the change they had to account for, the best they could do was what I would call the "penguin sliding on ice" approach.

[@ryanpan5787]

Ruby and Weiss talked too much in the anime there's a 13 second gap between the launch time. So it make sense that the old nevermore aren't able to escape in time

[@nicodalusong149]

@@ryanpan5787 You know talking is a free action in anime. No time passed they finished talking.

[@Dyneamaeus]

@@nicodalusong149 Arguably the biggest problem I have with queendom actually. In going full anime, a lot of anime trope stuff has slid in where it really wasn't needed. That's not to say RWBY didn't have tropes, but in anime form they seem to stand out more, both in action and characterization.

[@SuperSonicBlur]

If you take any still image, anime is fantastic. If you actually watch it... Yeah original still holds up better. It feels like it focuses more where it needs to rather than pulling off long sweeping shots, in a way by not having the ability to do big spectacle, the original made what it WAS showing you a spectacle.

[@hiddenjem93]

As visually gorgeous as the anime is, the OG still leaves goosebumps on my skin. The music of the OG really brought it together. Also, "I! Hope! You're! Hungry!" when Yang shoots into the mouth of the Nevermore never gets old. So, for me, it's the Original 100%.

[@Alpha-qz2kc]

I would say they are on par, but each has its weakeness and strengsts, the OG has better Choreography and is very smoth but the art qualtity is not as good, while the Anime Choreography It's isn't as good but the art quality is stunning

[@thetiredworm2100]

Agreed

[@farhiyaaliismail5930]

Combine each good parts

[@邱士豪-v8r]

The art quality years before with 3d compares with the present art quality with 2d🤔🤔 I would say OG is just better in every way

[@Alpha-qz2kc]

@@邱士豪-v8r i not sure if I would say they compare, really the new art is leagues above the original, that being said the og had a pitiful amount of budget in comparison to the new version

[@邱士豪-v8r]

@@Alpha-qz2kc agreed

[@megafan1137]

Stuff like this really highlights how important the music was (is) to RWBY from a foundational level. The scene in Ice Queendom is basically the same, note-for-note, but it just feels so much weaker when you swap out Red Like Roses 2 in favor of the generic Marvel hero music.

[@Jef_Jingles]

Definitely prefer the OG

[@sage5225]

The original did it so much better not gonna lie

[@VictoryUpGamer]

I agree with you there. And the original has the best soundtracks

[@Romanisbestboi]

I like how the anime made everyone flowy after the fight but the original did the fight better

[@Mike20we]

Yeah true. I guess yeah.

[@darkice60000]

the anime is less campy and comedic than the original. im not a fan (especially since it make the scene drag on) but if you're into that, to each their own. mixed bag on the animation tho. on one hand the drag up the cliff is done better in the anime. more cinematic with close ups of crescent rose and rubys face and chunks of rocks and dust falling down with the nevermore. on the other hand everything weiss does just makes the scene awkward and boring. like, yeah original weiss making a glyph facing one way and then turning around while changing its color doesn't ACTUALLY make any sense but it looks cool and is more dynamic than just stiffly waving her sword to make the glyph just appear where its supposed to. and it kind of baffles me that they added the bit where the nevermore escapes and weiss makes platforms for ruby to bounce off of. it just slows the scene down for no real reason and makes rubys movement more stiff and floaty.

[@atlas1542]

I dont really like slice of life, comedic relief, or shounen with generic ass comedy. So if you're into that, I guess the RWBY anime isn't for you.

[@brandenlontok4015]

I feel like the anime improved ona lot of things and has many strengths. But the original is better for the chemistry and character development because of screen time and personally the music and choreography are better in the original

[@Latency345]

In the early seasons, yes they had good character development. But lately…

[@nyes4596]

@@Latency345 it sucked

[@Babamarcus2632]

@@nyes4596 Maybe in the future they are gonna change volume 4 - 8 storyline

[@nyes4596]

@@Babamarcus2632 i hope so. And i hope i didnt cry at the sacrifice (if you know you watched volume 3)

[@Babamarcus2632]

@@nyes4596 didn't watch it and no spoilers please

[@danyae2366]

Ironically, I felt more serious about the original scene that has a joke than the new one that is almost 30 seconds of a meaningless conversation (because Ruby did not fight with any grimm) in which the Nevermore was almost escape

[@songyaben7713]

細かいディテールとか髪の揺れなどの細かい部分はアニメの方が活き活きしてるけど 全編通してのアクションの完成度と安定性は、断然原作だなあ。

[@Scarlett90]

I think both are fantastic for different reasons

[@BangOpkStudio]

Thus is a chore example of less is more. Monty knew what he was doing

[@rjcon2323]

Earlier in the episode, I noticed Ruby's crescent rose didn't do any damage to those beowolves. Some parts it felt like a rifle with power and force, and others it felt like a Kolibri from Battlefield 1.

[@Clementine266]

Así es Ruby actualmente, le suben y le bajan el daño dependiendo de la situación xDD

[@Ranger3486]

the animation is so good. Im sure Monty would 100% be really proud of it

[@AlunethMaster]

the anime is amazing, even tho they cut some of the iconic season 1 scenes and dialogue season 1-3 RWBY was very fun to watch, hope the anime doesn't focus only on drama and fight scenes and try to keep some of the jokes and humor like the OG

[@symphonixblades]

the first 3 episodes were a recap of season 1 , episode 4 is where things start being way different from S1

[@AlunethMaster]

@@symphonixblades yeah but OG rwby season 1 is so iconic and lovable and charming.... idk, i miss some of the lines that went back and forth with commedy "snowangel" "she does like tuna alot" " we didn't see sun wukong and penny in action either, idk its kinda kmissing stuff, don't get me wrong tho, the animation and dubbing is cool and all, just saying it doesn't have the rwby vibe to it

[@spacemantoast3815]

"some" they cut out so many cool scenes. They speed ran v1-3 in 3 episodes...

[@metalunderground2020]

RWBY fans are a special breed. They're so used to the ps1 quality of the original and ride or die by it.

[@qeo259]

Well RWBY was insane until sadly we loose Monty, i'll still thanks the team to have keep the "rwby" licence alive even if he had a lot of flow. I really like the anime and i am happy to see a new story. Monty Oum was a goat ! RIP.

[@CandleBite]

I'd say the og Rwby's animation shows Speed and motion incredubly well Where the anime version's action feels sluggish at some points except for the parts when the Anime goes: "Its Sakuga time" and goes really fucking hard with the animation

[@SaiShiroKuro]

i think its more an issue that the anime is well animated, but its storyboarded terribly. All the animation looks insane and feels really good, but the meaningless fluff added, especially after she's launched really hurts the scenes flow.

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

@@SaiShiroKuro Funny because it actually added nothing. I would even argue that the characters feels blander.

[@skyhighlander6447]

I only just got into watching these comparison videos because I have a lot of respect and interest in well-animated and choreographed fight scenes. I can see why people speak so highly of the original… but not in this scene in particular. The original looks especially clunky when Ruby is dragging the giant birdo all the way up, with the movement on the legs immediately taking me out of it because it doesn’t match the speed at which she’s moving. The anime meanwhile admittedly stalls a bit more than it should before Ruby digs her weapon in (and I have no idea why they added that, the timing in the original was great) but then the way she drags the bird all the way up is just way more stylish. I felt like nostalgia was just making a bunch of people blind to actual improvements but I think the entire fight scene before this moment is what showed me what everyone was talking about. This one moment alone isn’t that amazing, but when I looked at the entire fight scene as a whole I was blown away. The flow never stopped and they still managed to squeeze some character in there without breaking the pace of the fight scene… can’t hold it against the adaptation because they’re just different mediums with different tools at their disposal to convey a scene but wow. Glad I found out about this.

[@necrowmancerowo]

I like the visual style of the anime, but the faster pacing and more casual dialogue of the original win in my eyes.

[@Requiem0139]

Monty had always created fight styles and you can see how it’s not the same as in the new volumes , a second never goes to waste

[@faytleingod1851]

The thing that has me so confused....rwby vol 1 was two hours minus intro outtros. And the anime ep 1-3 which is vol 1 story. Was 1 hr 15 min. They took something with lightning pace then sped it up cutting out many fights and whole side plots (which honestly bully arc didn't need to be there) but somehow end up moving too fast while also adding extra seconds where they don't need to be. I absolutely love the original, and I'm not thrilled with the anime, it's cool, I like a reimagining of the series, I just wish they add more new scenes, or take their time. I would love to see a slower pace of the same story, or a bit of new originality to it. Just my two cents.

[@yuu7931]

The first 3 episodes of the anime are there to bring the viewers up to speed. Episode 4 onwards will be anime original or so I've heard.

[@faytleingod1851]

@@yuu7931 that would be awesome! I really hope so. I love the rwby universe. I would be so down for an alternate universe. Or even an extended story.

[@Mike20we]

The frost there episode are recap my man. The new content starts by episode 4 ok man.

[@faytleingod1851]

@@Mike20we 'first three' I knew what you meant. It didn't seem as much a recap as a retelling; since the recap took longer than the original 😅 But I would be so ready for new content, new grim new insight. Even without the amazing music I would still be down to watch. Someone just sent me a link to the first three eps I was kinda stoked but then found out after it was made by rt and I'm not as hopeful now.

[@sintzu8936]

0:51 hmmm in the anime ruby is shooting up in order to get the high ground while the original just have ruby running on the walls Different details but same events nice

[@madstringer]

She shoots while she’s hoisting the nevermore in the original too - it’s just not nearly as prominent.

[@sintzu8936]

@@madstringer oh yea I was too concentrate on anime part where they focus her gun more

[@AnimeIsArt21]

@@sintzu8936 as you said, small details like focusing on the gun

[@sintzu8936]

@@AnimeIsArt21 yep

[@FacePalmDodger]

i am now rewatching season 1.... this legit makes me so nostalgic

[@crevect4799]

The OG version had a better soundtrack and choreography. The anime version had a better finish, though it would benefit from playing Red like Roses in the background.

[@claracatlady9844]

The animation might technically be higher quality but it is somehow so much less dynamic

[@xefra6957]

Look ill just say this...the original IMO is way better because they don't overstay with conversation...I just don't get why they couldn't just of reanimated it and maybe redone some of the lines but keep the really good parts the same such as the whole original interaction between Ruby and Weiss when they were about to finish the nevermore. They didn't overstay in the conversation and they weren't being all buddy buddy just working together because they had to. In the anime I think Weiss is being far too nice...she isn't the ice queen in the anime...and it makes me sad

[@sicko111dead8]

If u watch a lot of anime u should know this by now. This is a recap episode so be patient my guy. This is an eastern story telling not a western story telling. It seem u bias on 3D than 2D animation

[@xefra6957]

@@sicko111dead8 not at all. The original for me is far better because of the dialog not the animation...hell if they just copy pasted the original dialog in I think this "anime" (because imo the original IS an anime) is far better. Also I like yo actually watch my shows not read them. So I will give it more of a chance once they have an English version out but until then I will pass for now...I think I will respectfully pass...I really do find it disappointing they made this rather than continuing the story with the next volume because I loved every volume they released like i watched every episode within an hour of its release and too keep it fresh in my mind for the first three volumes I watched each episode once a week..Also Salems original voice actress is the very person that plays Cortana in the Halo series my all time favorite game from childhood. So it's less a bias of 3d versus 2d and more of a bias of voice actors, and the words that are said...cause Weiss is nothing like how she was in the original volume 1 where she felt like a true ice queen...now she feels like a friend that sometimes is rude...I don't like that cause she is supposed to be the rich girl who is better than everyone yknow? I'd like to point out I'm not trying to hate but it's really hard for me to word things properly cause of certain things I just don't feel comfortable mentioning here. So if I've offended you in any way please say something and know I am sorry sir or madam

[@symphonixblades]

also this is a recap but after episode 3 the story will change and be different from the original , this isn't the same story so why would they do the same things

[@xefra6957]

@@symphonixblades they could at least keep the same personalities...they shouldn't give them the same names if they aren't the same people...it just doesn't make sense to me.

[@symphonixblades]

@@xefra6957 like i said this is not the same story Rooster Teeth is even saying it's an Alternate Universe. And in an Alternate Universe the same characters can have different personalities , it doesn't need to have the same personalities because it's not the same characters or story while at the same time is the same characters , what i mean is they are counterparts of the same characters it's not in the main RWBY universe this is in an alternate one therefore the characters changes are justified. If it was in the same universe as the original i would agree with you . But it isn't so it's fine the anime can be different from the original. Which is why after episode 3 the story is going in a different direction as well. For this anime forget what you know about RWBY because this is a new thing not related to the original.

[@SkyStrikeZ]

God the sound design of the CR in the anime is just beautiful, both the original and the anime sound so nice

[@pandex2707]

Now do a Penny vs The White Fang comparison

[@mercuryblack]

😆😭

[@happioknowledge781]

You gotta be kidding me right? XD

[@Glitch0Angel]

Omg they left out two amazing fights! Blake and sun vs Roman. And penny just having a time of her life while committing war crimes on the white fang.... Big missed opportunity

[@Tze52]

I find it funny how people say "OG is smoother", yeah, cus they only have to add key frames and the computer can animate the small stuff XD

[@dasherplayz4471]

The original is more lighthearted while the anime one is more serious and more like a traditional action anime

[@sacreddatura1399]

I haven’t watched the anime yet because I’m waiting for the original cast in the dub, but I have been watching a lot of these clips and they make me tear up every time. RWBY is such a big part of my life, I’ve been watching since the red trailer and I was like 10 at the time so I’ve grown up with this series and it makes me so unbelievably happy to see it thrive like this. I can’t wait for other people to discover rwby and love it as much as we do :’’’’’’’’)

[@keito-kun6618]

i love the anime version but im still in love with the og. no wait. i love both.

[@targon528]

オリジナルのハイクオリティアクション＆圧倒的スピード感、、、 日本のアニメ版も、頑張ってますが、やっぱりオリジナルが凄過ぎて アニメで作る意味あるのかな？と、日本人でも疑問に感じるところがあります。

[@sibsart2039]

I think the anime did running up the wall and slicing it's head off better. while the OG had Ruby firing off was better. Some moves they do in the anime seem to just loose speed and impact.

[@はーと-x4d]

やっぱオリジナルが一番いいなぁ。アニメは一部だけが気合入ってますねぇ。

[@dandanni1010]

The new version gets to show a more vulnerable side to Ruby, and gives an opportunity for better bonding with Weiss. That being said, there’s a bit of charm from the OG that feels like it’s missing from this scene. Something about how Ruby misunderstands Weiss’s rhetorical question.

[@critterwhisperer5821]

That’s adorable. Love the extra stuff. The bit at the end is interesting too. BUUUUUT the OG IS THE GREATEST IN MY BOOK. It was the inspiration for other stuff like the anime

[@justinserrano4506]

Guys we understand you love Monty but the work wasn’t smoother. It was just very simple. You don’t even see the force to pull the creature to the wall for example. The newer version pays attention to detail and adds flairs. The original forgoes all that and keeps movements simple.

[@itsuko3205]

people need to understand that 60fps animation for anime is pretty hard (and wasted of money if the anime doesn't sell well), if you only compare the animation smoothness then of course CG would win, like think before typing pls

[@giornogiovanna8367]

You're expecting to much from these Idiots, the can only cry and complain about how it looks so bad and the Orginal is Soooo much better in every way.

[@goldmemberpb]

The anime goes absolutely ham on the production value but I guess people find the OG version simple to follow because it is really light on any crazy effects. Being 3d, we also don't get any crazy perspective shifts like in 2d animation .

[@GameHunterDeathhunter]

Man i wonder what it would have been like if Monty was still here and got to do the anime fight scenes,

[@frizen9328]

Drawn over Monty choreography would probably have broken the internet.

[@ringkunmori]

The original dialogue is snappier.

[@reroreros]

everyone is saying they prefer the original but honestly, as someone who has never seen rwby before, i prefer the anime version🤷‍♀️ i do think the original version is easier to follow tho

[@juzoofficial803]

I REMEMBER WATCHING THIS AS A KID BROOOO 2018 THE VIBESSS BROOO

[@mohammadmehmood3092]

Monty is OG. Tho I wonder (if they ever do) how they will do the other Volumes like 6 or 7.

[@mohammadmehmood3092]

@@edea_oblige I like the anime at least, but I get your point.

[@lockse098]

Imagine they would use the same og ost's and Monty, may he rest peacefully, would be the one doing the choreography/animation.

[@derrickfarbes1805]

If I'm being honest this didn't need a remake it was perfectly fine in thr original

[@gaby.g1867]

It’s too bad the anime doesn’t have the OST. The soundtrack to the original is what what helped make RWBY, RWBY

[@user-qe1ys4vj2d]

So I watched the entire fight, including the JNPR fight, and jesus is Monty the goat, because they cut out so much, leave out alot of team work, and highlight nothing besides the light in the eyes of the characters and I guess like after the fight you could see the quality shoot up, but at that point everything just feels rushed, and tbh I dont see/feel the love. Also sucks that the dialogue is quickly changing in alot of areas, doesnt make me feel at home, but maybe that was the point, to change some stuff up.

[@AnimeIsArt21]

You do realise it's a recap not a remake. This is the main problem. Chibi reviews already fucked up saying it's a remake and it's clearly not. They legitimately put a whole 2hr volume into 1hr while adding content. If you wanted a play by play scene the same with added scenes then the criticism would be different. But the show never intended to be that.

[@fsfsfsfsfsfdfs3875]

The anime version looks so much better. I have no clue what people are going on about. I think you are all just full of nostalgia.

[@skyehikari2428]

I prefer the original. The animation is definitely much smoother. I want to like this anime, but I'm honestly not liking it because it's pretty much the same story, as the original, with a few added changes. Also the fighting scenes don't feel as good as the original. I would have honestly preferred if they did a whole anime or animation dedicated to Before the Dawn and After the Fall.

[@Mike20we]

Dude this is just a recap. New content starts with episode 4 man ok.

[@darksaint0124]

48 seconds in and I noticed how slow the action frames of the anime are. This is a big pet peeve of mine especially in anime. And what is up with all the extra animation on useless things like hair movement at the end of the scene? Monty was a special animator and I'm lucky to have discovered him long before RWBY came out. Probably going to rewatch Dead Fantasy after this to get back to what made Monty great. Sadly there was too little of it in RWBY before he passed.

[@Acesilvergaming]

1:01 Crescent Rose is heavy its, why she lands like that. 1:09 wields it like it's nothing. Ruby's weapon works because shes play with her light weight in contrast to the scythe weight.Other scenes they nail it others like thus it bothers me. Just a nitpick. I still like the animation overall.

[@狗神こころ]

オリジナルが好きだなぁ～ アニメもいいっちゃいいんだけど、ワンクールっていう縛りとかのせいなのかスピード感早すぎて内容が入ってこないというか・・・ 見せたいものをとにかく見せただけって感じがすごいしちゃう 別に嫌いではないけどオリジナルが強すぎた

[@Haaraaah]

dang, as someone who has never watched an episode of RWBY (but have seen clips/trailers in the past and I'm a long time RT fan) I might get into it with the anime now... Monty did amazing work with 3D models, but was heavily limited by using mo-cap and being a fairly low budget studio. Choreography was his biggest strength, animation wise, but every fight clip that I watched just seemed the same to me. As they were tethered to providing actual hand-to-hand combat/choreography, I didn't see much superhuman maneuvers be implemented in fights (again, based on what little content I've seen) It was impressive, but not star-striking. The anime was able to capitalize on more liberties in this clip here and made that decapitation scene much more epic and dramatic hand-drawn and was stylized. You can really tell the difference in the animation quality spike after the decapitation, they really saved their budget for it to show that THIS was an important moment and it came out superb. CGI can't get away with doing what anime can do in terms of having still animation shots. characters HAVE to be moving in CGI, otherwise they'll look like props or get lost in the shot as they are made to be live-like. I think this is why a lot of people think it looks better animated out of the two versions, but its really because its a MUST-have trait for it. Anime (same thing with cartoons) can save their budget and not do this but still look good because its 2D and it isn't as jarring to have characters not move in their shots. But when they do like in OG Disney and Pixar 2D movies, the animation just cant be beat bro. Anyway, Idk why I felt like typing this long ass opinion of mine when I doubt anyone will read this. I think the anime looks a lot better than the 3D one based on visuals and animation EVEN with the still shots and "skippy" animation... I just thought my unbiased view would be an interesting addition to this conversation, but I feel that OG RWBY stans will drown out any differing opinions on this matter. Not to say that I think the anime version is better, I just think it looks more fluid and dramatic... >.>

[@Danganraptor]

I suggest going back and watching the original by itself. It's much more fluid than you're giving it credit for.

[@hinzaldarkwood]

My biggest complaint about the anime version is that they do not use the original music. A second and smaller complaint is that the fights seem shorter and more of a secondary/ tertiary item. Otherwise, it has been very cool

[@Littlepetfrog]

Yeah the new nevermore scene looses so much detail that created character development it pisses me off actually. Not to mention they changed a lot too. Besides that the hair looks amazing and the flashiness of it is great but omfg...

[@sortascouseace]

8 volumes later and this is still the best and most hype fight of the show imo. In regards to the comparison the anime version seems clunkier I guess. it is still beautiful but there is a little something missing but seeing them compared it's the music that makes the scene and red like roses part 2 is a banger of a battle theme its absence in the anime is sorely missed

[@MissLilianae]

I think the Anime wins out for me for a lot of small details the OG missed. Big one: The glyphs Weiss provides to let Ruby run up the cliff aren't in the OG after they're shown being made. So when Ruby is running up the cliff it just looks like she's walking up it. It's the same walk cycle she uses when she's running earlier in the episode (and prior ones). There's also no sign of the glyphs. In the Anime Version it is SHOWN that Ruby is running faster than she normally would be able to as the glpyhs blur into one solid line as sprints up the cliff at the accelerated speed. Also it may be my eyes have adjusted to spotting details in blurred anime-scenes, but there are those saying that you can't see what's going on the Anime version. I disagree, I think the fact it has all that extra detail for you to take in makes it better since the OG just has Ruby running up a wall and firing her gun and dragging the near-still Nevermore up with her.

[@Micharlus]

While I agree that running up the cliff part was totally better done in anime, I'd say that everything other fell off. 0:43 Ruby slowly levitating towards the wall. It's just... bad. Afterwards she hooks the Nevermore to the wall as if it was lighter than her. Blake and Weiss at 1:14 and 1:17 making me feel like I saw them already in 20 other random old animes. During Weiss and Ruby's talk the humour is completely lost. As well as Ruby's insecure nature. While Weiss' sarcastic princess isn't exactly original idea, it's still much richer than anime Ruby's "I want to prove to you that I am good enough!" completely overused trope and nothing else. Anime Weiss shows kind of older sister style and while it's not bad, I'm not sure how they're going to weave it into actual Weiss character or whether they're just remaking Weiss completely. To me original felt, well, original. Anime version feels just like they're throwing in every single popular theme they could find. Personally I don't put as much emphasis on the ideality of every scene and part. If I did I'd drop RWBY after first time seeing characters walk. xD There are a lot of budget cuts in less important animations that probably aren't present in anime. I guess that difference in priorities makes for a difference in our opinions.

[@Imsoobroke]

@@Micharlus While I havent watched any RWBY aside from like 2-3 episodes, I find that there's this one thing to point out that I can see they did better. (I'm too lazy to point out others but there is a bunch more) The Nevermore was just hovering with no indication of being stuck (If it was at all and if it wasn't why was it just hovering watching ruby fly at it) at 0:37 in the original while the newer one we can actually see it flying upwards after it broke free. I am not an analyst at all but the fans in the comments seem to be just blindly ignoring the improvements imo. The humor part is something I miss from the original though I will say.

[@Micharlus]

@@Imsoobroke, it was stuck by the tail as well. It was done in an earlier scene. And we could see it struggling to free itself there, although obviously in that slow, weird way that nevermore always gets animated. And you know, even in the anime it's not really doing anything when seeing someone fly at it. Especially since in the anime it has freed itself so it should have all the freedom of movement to react. But it just slowly raises up. So that's not really an improvement. About ignoring improvements, I dunno, I see tons of comments pointing that the dragging animation and effects were done well there and stuff. But when it comes to making a point everyone tends to prefer talking about positives of their point and negatives of the other part. But I wouldn't say it's very visible in these comments, most tend to give credit to both.

[@shia8938]

the pose in the end is too iconic. You will feel Monty doesn't give a damn about realism and practicality as long it looks cool it's great...

[@potitishogun2961997]

The anime felt a bit too sluggish for the high paced action it was trying to represent. The OG was fast, which was RWBY's bread and butter back in the day. They could use speed to their advantage like no other animation project. I'd compare this action scene in the anime to a scene from Attack on Titan. Sure, the visuals are stellar and they're all moving really fast, but the tempo gets kinda sucked out when conversation starts to dominate the scene. Less talking, more action is the way to go in RWBY. You can have talking scenes later.

[@Wa_zemon]

You think might be budget issues?

[@symphonixblades]

the first 3 episodes are a recap , after that episode 4 will start the anime original story, yes the anime will have a different story from the original

[@potitishogun2961997]

@@Wa_zemon More like a misunderstanding of the pacing 'XD They got plenty of money, I'm sure

[@potitishogun2961997]

@@symphonixblades Oh fr? Bruh... Why they gotta retcon a late man's work... Dx

[@hundvd_7]

Jeeeesus the cape physics in the anime are awesome

[@wolfgang8391]

gona be honest OG wins but only with Monty Fight scenes and only the fighting. Character and scenery animation in the Anime blows Og out of the water

[@wolfgang8391]

@@edea_oblige Its why I like the new anime more especially when it comes to single shots Like Penny's Terminator role play with everything burning in the background. Yes, the certain fights might lack something compared to Monty's overall style, but in general, I think the all-around quality is better and probably can maintain it too. To be honest the fights in RWBY just went downhill and all none fighting scenes in rwby are pretty bad, especially in V1-3.

[@dindapriska]

@@wolfgang8391 Add a red lense flare to where her eyes might be and she may as well be an actual terminator -definitely not referencing vol. 7.-

[@ArkanMatlub03]

I have mixed reactions. I think 3d had a lot more speed and momentum which kept it hyped, and some scenes were pretty epic, like the shot after nevermores head was cut off. But the anime had way better shots, but the speed felt super slow when Weiss tried to lift her up a bit. But afterwards, her running up was very cool, and the animation quality on the hair on each RWBY was very cool. The thing is, Studio SHAFT could DEFINITELY have improved upon the animation quality overall. Imagine if 0:43 had the same feel of speed as All might running in the first My Hero Academia movie (If you look up "All might running" on youtube, click the video that says "Midoriya and All Might Double Detroit Smash", [there's only one video, you can't go wrong] and then go to 0:53 of that clip) this would've been the perfect clip.

[@rebeccadewaele9209]

Original version: Short talk, attack and done. Anime version: Ruby and Weiss have a very long conversation. Nevermore: I'm waiting.... and dying to continue this fight. The original held up better, it's short and sweet and they got the job done, that long conversation in the anime version could have killed them already.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Monty was genius. He cared a lot about cherography and making things understandable movement wise

[@carlhayden3610]

The animation for OG is spot on, choreography, and music matched up perfectly. The animation is doing weird things, the music doesn’t match up, and the actions scenes are weird. I mean couldn’t they have just remixed the OG soundtrack?

[@almadeoliveira2890]

Well, as today visuals are the big slice in the animation process , what makes in some cases makes the scene lose it's " weight" , plus the feeling that ice queengdom is like " i want to be something original/new /more deep but I'll use 90% of the original." .

[@joshuatran1556]

Season 1 had great plot, but did so on a shoestring budget. Really this is giving it the coat of paint it always deserved.

[@KnightmareSenpai]

I like the added touch with the anime where ruby actually chambers a new bullet into crescent rose

[@iwanek4382]

I love how in Ice Queendom Ruby and Weiss have a meaningful dialogue and in regular RWBY it's just some joky joke. Goes to show that the anime takes itself a little bit more seriously than the cartoon.

[@frizen9328]

I think it's at a detriment, it takes away a lot of the charm the characters and show had and it makes Ruby look weak. In the anime she's basically begging for Weiss' approval when her character has always been about letting her actions speak for themselves. In the og she wasn't worried about Weiss not thinking she's good enough because she knew she was going to kill it and is was up to Weiss to not mess up. Weiss realizing she's competent after killing it would be a given so there was no need for Ruby to want her to know she can fight.

[@frizen9328]

@@edea_oblige I disagree. The anime takes away most of Ruby's charm and personality and actually makes her boring. In the og she isn't just a badass she has her own quirks and her personality is continually shown through all her dialogue and interactions. Anime Ruby is just stripped down to I want to be a huntress and for Weiss to like me. This interaction isn't more interesting or show their individuality as it is devoid of it. Ruby is simply fixated on Weiss' approval and Weiss acknowledges it. As opposed to the og with actual individuality and personality that has Ruby focused on the bird (she doesn't even look at Weiss until she tries to make a smug dramatic response to her question which also shows more of her own personality) and then gets confused about whether Weiss means yes or no. A humorous interaction that focuses on 2 characters personalities is replaced by a completely played straight "I want you to know I can do this," "I know you can" exchange.

[@rudyantohosalim2753]

@@frizen9328 there's a different in where it was produced. What you explain is a great and better in majority western consumers, more action and more individuality. However, this one is anime, they have different take in characters and personality, the relations is very important. (And there is one thing that I think will make the anime version will make sense, because the anime will take the story a little different, so if Ruby still showing her individuality, the consistency of her personality will not shown in the 3 episodes.(the caring and childish personality, one thing we can see emphasized in the anime))

[@Smoses_senpai]

I like the original more. It looks more epic and fast. When the zoom out at the end you get a feeling for the scale of this place and seeing the bird slowly fall is just very cool to me.

[@CineMairon]

From what I see in the comments, I will be the one with the unpopular opinion, but while the original is very well made for its genre, as an illustrator, I find this kind of 3D very hard to watch. mostly because I am unaccustomed to this visual that I only have seen in MMD videos. The anime though, has a great flow and design, and the animation is excellent. Also having more characters' development through dialogues during their close ups, might not be liked by the strictly action fans that prefer less dialogue more action with a few punch lines, but for plot focused lovers, it's better. I guess they are both well done for their own kind. Anime fans will appreciate the beauty of the anime, but the fans of the original won't give up their devotion in it and they will always love it best.

[@Danganraptor]

I suggest watching both of them on their own. In my own humble opinion, while the anime has more beautiful stills, the scenes drag on for longer than they should while speeding up more dramatic action; the original, by contrast, is much more dynamic and smooth as opposed to stilted. The story in either... It's going, though I feel you're not giving the original series credit.

[@Velg]

They should have kept the original sound track in

[@zoro28921]

Ice queendom was more epic.

[@EsmeraldaVids]

Story & conversation, the OG is great But the fight and effect, anime is better

[@Kyle81290]

The decapitation scene having "good animation" doesn't suddenly make up for the rest of the fight for having clunky and stiff animation... I knew it was gonna be bad the second I saw Shaft was doing it.

[@commentreader3944]

I do not know this series but Shaft is one of the best studios out there.

[@alexfang4371]

In anime, u can pause any time and the frame would make sense In og, u pause sometimes to things clipping through each other It’s really hard to compare hand drawn frame by frame vs full on 3D software scenes

[@chopboxstudios5420]

I didn't quite mind the newer version at all, this scene had me hyped as hell. Only thing I'd change to the newer version is the music.