Ruby Wax explains how Alan Rickman stood up to her abusive father | The Today Podcast

[@spiceupyourafterlife]

Every time I hear a story about Alan Rickman, I love him more and more and it makes me even sadder to know that such a lovely man is now gone.

[@AngelicusImmortus]

He got the kids on Harry Potter, a load of games consoles & games so they could occupy themselves between scenes and so on. When they got older he gave them books on the things they were interested in; but he never let them know about it. Chris Columbus who directed a few Potter movies said,, after Alan died, that he didn’t want anyone to tell them where the gifts came from and let/make them think they were being given to them by the production company etc I did hear once Daniel Radcliffe say that Alan gave him the advice of: Never do something in film or theatre just because it’s what people expect of you, or assume you would jump at. Always pay attention to what is interesting, and never do a film just because it’s Oscar bait, or might win awards. Do it because it’s interesting, fun or maybe written/directed by a friend… I remember it quite clearly (may have got a few words wrong) but I remember it because in a general way, it’s good advice for life.

[@RosieHarp]

He was my favourite actor, I loved him and everything he was in.

[@PoetLoui]

Same

[@laerwen]

Cancer really is the worst. :(

[@bonim5180]

He went home baby. 💖

[@samcroft7084]

Ruby is such an amazing woman - far smarter than people realise. Every story about Alan Rickman makes me admire him more. I can easily imagine him saying that to Ruby's father.

[@Tehomet]

What you said about Alan Rickman, I was just thinking along similar lines myself.

[@Tehomet]

What a man Alan Rickman was. And what a woman Ruby Wax is, to survive all that. This is a great interview by a great interviewer.

[@beersFilm]

A lot of admiration in the comments for Ruby Wax and rightfully so, but can I just say that I feel Amol Rajan is a very, very fine interviewer? He's really listening, demonstrating empathy and uses his questions in the right way: inviting Ruby Wax to tell more.

[@libby215]

Well said

[@JenniferMaharaj-j6h]

I agree.

[@dannyquinn9128]

Amol Rajan*

[@beersFilm]

@@dannyquinn9128 I really should start wearing my glasses when I'm writing comments 😉 It say Amol Ragan in the description, by the way

[@dannyquinn9128]

@@beersFilm That's bad form from the BBC, that they can't even spell their own presenters' name.

[@lorettanericcio-bohlman567]

Now I love Rickman even more 💕💜💕💜

[@ANonymous-p5x5n]

Always ❤

[@PeoplePlacesRocknRoll]

I grew up near Ruby. It was a Jewish neighbourhood and ythere were many 'survivors' of the holocaust. I never knew any parents like Ruby's. The all loved their children and gave them the best, not just materially. Ruby's parents were ghastly. I have her life story on Audible so she reads it. It's excellent! I met her. She's very nice. ❤

[@SpringerA1984]

You only saw the public face.

[@bkbff]

Sadly, many families have a public face and a private face. We're only just beginning to get away from "we don't talk about that" and "you shouldn't talk about family business."

[@51StPi]

@@bkbffAs an adult I am shocked when people say they weren’t beaten as a child, I’ve met Ms Wax she is a thoughtful person it’s not just a shtick.

[@user-ke8st8jc1v]

What does a Holocaust survivor mean ? The only survivors are the ones who escaped the camps ,that’s all ,the rest t just RELOCATED

[@blozzjani]

​@@bkbff to be fare that is how pedophiles get away with it. Public persona is "such a lovely person, would fo anything for anyone...."

[@Lyonsbane75]

Humour as a defence mechanism. Very relatable. I’m glad that Ruby was able to harness that skill into a talent and profession.

[@jazzycat8917]

You can't be resentful of your children just because they don't suffer like you did, you're supposed to be happy that they have safety and freedom and opportunity. I can't imagine the horror and trauma they must have lived through, but for the love of god don't take it out on your kids. Go to therapy.

[@erniescullion8452]

No offence. God has a capital G. The rest is brilliant.

[@itsonlysound]

Yeah isn’t the entire point that you want better for your kids?

[@dagnolia6004]

my mother was JEALOUS that mosquitoes rarely bit me. i am one of the weird ones that isn't allergic to poison ivy, she was resentful. it seems to me you would want your children to have a better life, not suffer the same as you, great or small.

[@mythologystar1365]

@@erniescullion8452no thanks, I’ll stick to god.

[@zoewtang]

My mil is resentful towards my husband and she is hellbent on making our marriage miserable because she’s miserable herself

[@georginagedroge4405]

Dexter Fletcher has a similar story about Alan Rickman mentoring him when he was down and out. The man had a whole separate career as a damn therapist! RIP

[@Padraigp]

Omg what was that reporter show with the girl with curly hair? I used ti write " I love dexter fletcher" on my copybook as a kid!! 😂

[@helenlievesley4778]

​@@PadraigpYou're thinking of Julia Sawahla and Press Gang. And we've both just dated ourselves ;)

[@star_fossil]

Dexter Fletcher was a dreamboat

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

Got the dvd!

[@blozzjani]

​@@PadraigpPress Gang. I still use her line "Shot for insubordination!" When he said "What did your last slave die of?" Every time she asked him for a drink or something..

[@booker0110]

I feel so sorry for her. She is obviously still hurt and damaged and struggling from what her vicious parents did to her albeit years ago. I’m sure the hurt feels as fresh today as it did yesterday. Bless you Ruby, you survived.

[@blozzjani]

It definitely feels like she was her own therapist for along time after watching "who do you think you are."

[@EL-gu8fv]

What a hard backstory to hear. We never know what people are carrying.

[@lil.miscellaneous]

She’s so right about Alan Rickman, he was ridiculously talented and funny in really interesting ways. So sad he’s gone😢

[@victoriaisaac3673]

A truly admirable woman. I have heard her talk about her parents before and it is so tragic that the level of suffering that they went through ( and many like them) was directly turned on to their child as no therapy or counselling or possibly understanding was available so no help given. So so sad. However it takes courage, intelligence and therapy to completely turn it around and do what Ruby has and continues to do. Thank you for sharing.

[@kellydalstok8900]

But the petty way her father criticised her teeth for being to shiny doesn’t sound like it’s a result of trauma, but rather as coming from a narcissistic person. And didn’t she say they fled in 1938? Jews weren’t exactly treated nicely, but the death camps were still to come.

[@jackiecarter5193]

@@kellydalstok8900 some of her relatives perished in the camps. Her parents were deeply traumatised people with mental illness too. Bound to make everything difficult. Ruby herself admits she is sane through medication and modern science....this was not available to her family.

[@blozzjani]

​@@kellydalstok8900their relatives where left behind. Could also have been survivor's guilt and alot of hereditary mental health problems. Watching the program she mentioned (who fo you think you are) her relitives and ancestors who where institutionalised got the better care and treatment, lived better lives. Her mother was in and out of institutions and her father spiralled without much help at all.

[@stueeyphoenix]

it is easy to find Ruby Wax absolutely sane truly talented and consumingly endearing. Ruby Wax has to be one of the most likeable people ever to exist. Our paths crossed by chance about 33 years ago in Holland Park and I was truly still am very happy to have that delightful experience with me.

[@scottydogx]

What a mentor to have. I learn more and more surprising facts about Alan Rickman. Such a massive loss

[@gavinlisk2292]

I have always loved Rickman and i loved Ruby but i never knew they had such a close relationship, i never knew they had any relationship at all!!

[@Tommy_Poole]

Ruby Wax has always struck me as being a truly amazing person. After watching this it’s easy to understand why.

[@MemoirsofaGamer1982]

When I was a kid, Ruby seemed like the only American on tv, on our 4 channels. Haha. I love her. Her books are so great.

[@shangc2781]

Guys, she looks fine. Yeah, she's had work done but she's also seventy-one. Why do people feel the need to comment about appearance when she's talking about generational trauma and mental health?

[@RosieHarp]

Because they have nothing of any value to say. Ad hominem is very popular nowadays with insecure people who have low esteem.

[@laerwen]

Because people are misogynistic - women are not allowed to be young, not allowed to age, not allowed to be imperfect or human in any way. They must be pleasing to others at all times and live only for other's approval. That's why people feel it's perfectly fine to talk about such things. With a man they'd never give it a thought.

[@mindcache5650]

Ruby still looks so attractive and talks so pleasantly . She’s obviously suffered from CPTSD but found an outlet . She’s a smasher.

[@hoggers7572]

I know it's not all about me but I have been diagnosed recently at 49 with CPTSD ..my whole life has been a disastrous from the age of eleven I have been distracting myself constantly with various addictions I have tried to will myself better taking countless meds now I am living in a boarding house totally broke unemployed and this mental condition has got my emotions so extreme and interchangeable..I have tried to be "normal" so hard rehabs meetings church's shrinks but the awful unbearable sadness gets worse and worse if I can't distract myself with my addictions..of course I have to accept personal responsibility but I can't hack it too much longer ..does anyone have any insights how they carry on and move on from this ..Ruby seems an example that it can be done and I'm sure many people do..is it just a weakness of my character

[@margaretclark......akamarm2600]

@@hoggers7572you can beat it, one step at a time and with the right support. Never give up, you are worth so much more than you think you are worth ♥️

[@jeraldbaxter3532]

When i first saw Ruby Wax perform, i did not like her; her abrasiveness in her comedy was appalling to me. But over time, I have seen her segment on "Who Do You Think You Are?", and now this interview, and my opinion (which doesn't really matter to anyone but me) has shifted. Like most people, i have issues with my parents, as well as others from through out my life, but nothing as bad as what she describes. When she said, "My whole life has been an act of revenge.", it clicked with me. We are all give raw material to build a life out of; experiences and how we mentally process those events, and our lives can only be as good as the events and how we deal with them Ruby Wax has taken awfully circumstances and built something remarkable; it's not pretty, it is bitter and ragged, painful to behold, but it is strong and it has a beauty of its own; it's not the delicate orchid, it's the thistle, whose spike leaves and stem also bear a beautiful blossom.

[@feuilletoniste]

Well said! And it goes to show how much easier it is to understand and have empathy for even people we don’t particularly like when we know where they have come from and how their environment has shaped them.

[@rora3875]

beautifully said

[@ktpuss]

I agree and can relate to what you say also, although I couldn’t have put it so eloquently. That line of Ruby’s stood out to me too in my own life however my reaction these days is much less resolute and one tends to shrink into the background instead in search of a quiet life. It would’ve been so easy for her (or anyone in that situation) to do the same so I really admire that.

[@jeraldbaxter3532]

@@ktpuss I now admire her courage. I, also, have a tendency to flee unpleasantness, instead seeking a quiet, calm life; but it seems that the world will not allow that to happen (unless one moves to remotest Alaska and the nearest neighbor is 200 miles away). Ruby Wax chose to stand up to the chaos inflicted upon her, but not all of us have her strength and courage. But, do we give up or do we continue on? It is a choice we each must make for ourselves. I live in an area of a large city that is not the worst, it has its share of homeless who have mental issues which they all too readily spew onto others. But, there are those moments of grace, though I get so caught up in my dramas that I lose sight of them. I wish there was a "one size fits all solution". But there is not. I am not a Buddhist, but I try to remember the alleged last words of the Buddha: " Let each work out their own salvation with diligence." In other words, life is the ultimate do it yourself project. I wish you joy in your journey.

[@ANightworkerslife]

Amol does a great job in this interview... how this woman is still standing and working... Ruby is a gem and how she deals with things is nothing short of incredible. Great interview! Will try and find the full one!

[@fizzedupslade4082]

That was a snippet, so I'll go to beeb and check out whole thing. Mucho respect for Ruby W. So smart, so compassionate, glad she's touring.

[@PeoplePlacesRocknRoll]

Her backstop is all in her book. If you buy it on Audible, she reads it.

[@FirehorseG]

​@@PeoplePlacesRocknRollI'll go to Audible. Not touching the BBC for anything 🤮

[@AngelaColeman-b6i]

Some years ago I had the great privilege of hearing a speech made by Ruby Wax which was totally inspiring that the whole audience was riveted. And I continue to thank her for that.

[@JenniferMaharaj-j6h]

Ruby is a light and has this wonderful aura and I am happy to hear her story.

[@hennyvanveldhuizen5976]

Always loved Alan Rickman, I was right

[@EdelweisSusie]

Having had Austro-German parents and suffered the horrors Ruby did, the worst thing is that not only did it cause me two failed marriages because I’m always deemed as “too independent” (although no husband ever asked me WHY I’m that way!), it also left me socially excluded FOR LIFE with a mild speech impairment. So not only did my parents steal my childhood, the rest of society shuns me on a daily basis. I’ll be one of those people who dies at home alone and isn’t discovered for years. Thanks Mom & Dad!!

[@pussycats456]

Don’t let that happen! Don’t let them win. I speak from experience.

[@heatherwhite2788]

You still have the power in this situation Susie! I was visited by the crappy childhood fairy too, but we have the power as adults to heal ourselves 💖

[@tricia9559]

Please break the cycle, you can, it takes major effort, pain and a river of tears, but you can do it.

[@juliemcleod1119]

Its dam hard, but you can breath through. I moved to different Counties than my mother, only way i can breath. Days and weeks will go by, without even thinking about her. The Guilt button i use to wear now sits dis-guarded in the corner.

[@amsteensberg1653]

That were the cards you were handed - but not a life-sentence . Those people were not good at being human , you must pity them . Use your strengths to create things , preferably art, furniture, your housing. Invite people, make your own tribe of friends as your chosen family .....take pride in your self-sufficiency ,there are so many people out there that do not have your strengths, and who envy them

[@AfricancoolChic]

I love what she said "after a while they all look the same" 💯

[@justme9818]

Isn't it great!

[@elzonn]

Man the interviewer is amazing!! Increable questions and I true understanding of what the guest is talking about. love it

[@blozzjani]

And not at all condescending or patronising

[@jennywrig]

Ruby Wax is so likeable, even lovable, very funny and interesting. Must find her documentaries.

[@trumbleslum]

She comes across as a really nice person considering all that bad past. Such a brilliant entertainer!!!

[@benjones1452]

Love you Ruby, thanks for everything.

[@MsGnor]

Snape was Snaping even back then ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ RIP dear Alan ❤‍🔥 Love you Ruby!!! 💖

[@jinjaman101]

awesome hello RUBY!! HERE FOR YOU AND ALAN.

[@lucyroberts2800]

She totally sells herself short I’ve always liked ruby wax she’s an incredible talent . She talks of others having talent that made her good but she performed the material at times and you have to be good to do that. Her shows where she followed people and talked to different people were brilliant because she didn’t play nicely with others .

[@IDHANYT]

Hearing about Ruby's dad, all I keep thinking is "PTSD". Her parents experienced the worst trauma, then passed a portion of it on to their offspring, and so the cycle continues. Looks like Ruby managed to break the cycle 🙏

[@admi1191]

You can't pass on PTSD though. It's something you have to directly experience. It will impact people around you though, but it's different for everyone.

[@IDHANYT]

@@admi1191 I said "trauma".

[@adaoraelliott9254]

@@admi1191 Generational trauma is a thing, the effects of someones PTSD can be passed on and effect other people especially children.

[@kellydalstok8900]

But I’ve never heard about people with PTSD being so petty as her dad clearly was. Criticising her teeth for being too shiny. Sounds more like narcissism to me. And didn’t they flee in 1938, before the war started and concentration camps were opened? I’m not saying that having to live through what the nazis did pre war and losing your entire family isn’t awful, of course it is, but they didn’t go through the worst.

[@oriel9347]

Often weak people inflict a bigger wound than they themselves experienced because in their minds they build up the negativity and are unaware of the impact of their own actions. It comes from the constant judgement of the self centred ego.

[@LewisRowe-id6kr]

Ruby Wax was amazingly good at interviewing people. I remember watching her series and thinking she was quite possibly the very best there is at it. She had this way of making people so relaxed you got extraordinary insights into their lives you didn't expect to hear. All while simultaneously covering a lot of ground with that high-speed way of talking. Very funny and pertinent observations - but blink and you'd miss them. You have to keep up. A sparky talent!

[@Wontoofree-k4n]

I always love listening to Ruby Wax but Amol Ragan is an excellent interviewer here. Very incisive. Makes for a really interesting exchange and gets behind Ruby's default make a joke of it response.

[@LaineTheLark]

Alan and Ruby, I admire them both so much. If you get a chance with her books/audiobooks, do it!

[@Ava-wm6cv]

The more I learn about her and her family the more my heart breaks for her and eonder at how she came out the other side such a whole and forgiving person.

[@JuliaBrown-te9dp]

I always love to know more about Ruby Wax---she has depths that many interviewers don't get to. Speaking of, I also really enjoy this interviewer. Amol Ragan does a good job here emphasizing what's important and keeping the tone buoyant.

[@williamslinn5245]

Keep shining, Ruby!

[@staggerlee6794]

Love Ruby. Always have. Always will.

[@godfreemorals]

Lovely interview by Amol. I've always loved Ruby she was a real breathe of fresh air when I first saw her on TV when I was little. Didn't realise Rickman was her lifelong friend.

[@amandajackson6714]

Ruby's documentaries were amazing

[@margaretflounders8510]

Gosh! she's still a very good looking lady....Good luck to her, and what a gent Alan Rickman was....

[@liscatcat8756]

Lot of surgery, poor lady

[@blue_tree_meadow]

Love Ruby, one of my all time favourites. When I compile my fantasy list of people I'd love to spend an evening down the pub with, Ruby is one of the few that is absolutely at the top of the list. Wonderful human being ❤️

[@ladosis5596]

I have Zero idea who this woman is, but She's Made me a n instant fan. Any recommendations to start with?

[@blue_tree_meadow]

@@ladosis5596 I would watch her documentary series again, and her celeb interviews. Ruby did a fair bit of sketch comedy too. She's one of those people that I've always adored for her candid unvarnished but tender honesty. A lovely human being ❤️

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

Her interviews with Imelda Marcos are pretty surreal!

[@blue_tree_meadow]

@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts she was, and still could be if given the vehicle, a brilliant journalist, interviewer and documentary maker. So, so talented.❤️

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

@@blue_tree_meadow I wasn't disputing that. She pioneered the style. But the interviews with Marcos are surreal! And very worth watching,as is the one with Trump.

[@footoomsh2]

fascinating person and my own personal thing with her that she edited the scripts for Absolutely Fabulous - and you can tell. hahahaha

[@richardhunter7363]

Just finished reading Ruby's "I'm not as well as I thought I was" - a really interesting read about dealing with mental illness. Hope that black dog leaves you alone for the rest of your natural Ruby.

[@1crowwoman]

I adore Alan Rickman, he went way too soon, didn`t deserve to get sick and die 😢

[@duncanwallace7760]

I remember her in the 90s, she was outrageous and excellent!

[@rora3875]

I've never had time for this abrasive unpleasant woman but after listening to this I have great respect. I too had prolonged childhood abuse and feel the saying 'don't get even get successful' works for me as my greatest success is that I'm still alive. I'm a positive wonderful human being who has no interest in being a victim tho I've spent time, effort and money over many years to get there.

[@niamhc6312]

unpleasant? jesus christ

[@clivet3252]

​@@niamhc6312well she is

[@MrBlaxjax]

@@rora3875 she can certainly be abrasive and pushy. But she seems to deliberately amp that up because she’s surrounded by nonplussed British people! It’s a type of humour. So a bit like Mohammed Ali take it with a grain of salt. Not unpleasant though pretty high maintenance (I think. I’ve never met her so what do I know?)

[@laerwen]

I'm glad you have the time, effort, and money over many years to get where you are but maybe don't judge other people who never have your good fortune. I find this "I'm not a victim" stuff very unpleasant and abrasive, highly judgmental.

[@dulciemidwinter1925]

A long time ago, I saw a documentary about Ruby. She visited her parents and they were really ghastly. They were not very welcoming at all to her, which you would think would be the opposite in front of the cameras. I felt embarrassed for her. They were not only ghastly, but they were weird too. They were sitting on sofas that still had the plastic covers on them that would have been there when they were delivered. It's such a shame as Ruby is one of the most talented all rounders I have ever seen. any other parents would have been proud of her. It's their loss.

[@caroliner1901]

I remember that episode with the sofas in plastic

[@JLWinch]

I always believe you grow up in spite of your parents!! You go Ruby!!

[@mike-k6y]

An amazing lady who resists being squelched.

[@robp4682]

Fabulous show

[@PoshMurder]

Very good interviewer. This is how it's done. Great questions too.

[@relfyem]

I just love Ruby Wax. She's wonderful.

[@hunglikeahamster]

I watched all of Ruby's documentaries. She was unique.

[@MarkRoss-v4y]

Thank goodness for Ruby Wax ❣

[@kurtlee3198]

ruby wax was so good at celebrity interviews cos she had an ability to seem like she was blowing smoke up there arse which the celebrities obviously loved while it being obvious she wasn't and brought something different out in them

[@patrickwheeler5701]

that story when mews was on 'dogma' and he memorised the whole script because of rickman

[@ohwiseowl9163]

So miss seeing ruby on TV

[@MrDavfit]

You realize after awhile we are all actors everyone has a part to play the good the great and the bad.

[@feuilletoniste]

“All the world’s a stage…”

[@crystalclear6864]

Very Shakespeare❤!!

[@vlad-igor]

This is good!!

[@andiidoode]

We've been hearing about this forever!

[@garethjones2210]

Fascinating lady

[@maudeboggins9834]

I adore Ruby Wax (Wachs).

[@PeoplePlacesRocknRoll]

I was born and raised in Ruby's neighbourhood. 'Wax' is a common Jewish name. I never knew it was originally 'Wachs' until I learned it from Ruby. ❤

[@maudeboggins9834]

@@PeoplePlacesRocknRoll I read her autobiography & she made me laugh so much. Tragedy & comedy in equal measure. Her husband Ed Bye sounds like a lovely gem of a husband, she worked with him in the 80's & apparently they fought like cat & dog & when he wasn't on set one day she asked "Where is Ed?" & realized how much she actually liked him. They married in 1988 & have 3 children.

[@marybarratt2649]

I love Ruby and I was a great fan of Alan’s too. I think she has overcome and is such an inspiration. I would have loved her as a good friend growing up. An extraordinary woman and an extraordinary life.

[@Peejay1966]

Ruby and Alan... lovely people.

[@creepycraig73]

Ruby is a real one.

[@tvgcmma9215]

Her bbc series were brilliant one of the few shows when younger whole family sat round tv to watch

[@PoetLoui]

AR remains a legend. Great man. Love Ruby since 'Girls on top' comedy series.

[@waynejones750]

This woman in so strong ❤

[@dee1955]

Great interviewer!

[@Lunapple1]

Could do without the obnoxiously loud rewind sound effect at the start of the video

[@debbieeastham5372]

Godbless you ruby ,you came through so strong 😊

[@maureengreen4008]

Wow, what an amazing Lady…😊 Wonder if her show will be down here in New Zealand?

[@bernadettemurray8260]

Read her book years ago, also a documentary style programme with her parents in it.....bizarre people. Poor lass.

[@J_Gamble]

"After a while they all look the same." 😄😄😄

[@angieflynn5354]

Ruby I always have enjoyed you so much your a great girl

[@Gazman011969]

I love Ruby Wax. The Lady is a Legend.

[@plebjames]

I really like Ruby Wax - so imagine my disappointment when I saw her at a Tory party fundraiser

[@faeryalchemy]

Much love to you Ruby Wax 🙏❤️

[@onepartyroule]

I used to love Ruby's documentaries. The dynamic between her and these often outrageous people would fascinate me.

[@LisaEvans-kz4mw]

Love this

[@Charlotte66666]

Ruby is a strong woman, I enjoyed her documentaries.

[@MemoirsofaGamer1982]

I want to watch this whole episode. But can only listen to it on BBC. 😒🙄 Whats the point in filming it if we cant SEE it all?

[@mael6834]

I was locked out, and had many friends that were put out of their houses. I don't know about any other time, but it was an 80's thing in Baltimore, MD. It was real and not something any of us will forgive.

[@Dee8Bee]

@BBC Sounds that record rewind is horrible and way too loud!!

[@anitahargreaves9526]

Saw Ruby live late 80s, Warwick University on Stage she was hilarious.

[@marklola12]

I loved watching her documentaries

[@shooduru3802]

Luv, luv, luv Ruby ❤ survivor of life!!

[@craigmills3583]

Hilarious, brilliant woman. Her books are superb

[@catherinetiernan5888]

I survived an abusive, violent father by being funny hoping that nobody would realise I was broken up inside..

[@sen5i]

I love Ruby Wax

[@Charlotte66666]

Alan Rickman was marvellous ❤

[@jasondevon481]

Cancel your TV licence.

[@rebekoko]

Ruby Wax ❤❤❤

[@butterflyj1967]

Love Ruby Wax 🥰