Rumors and Gossip: Princes in the Tower - Part Two

[@ODDwayne1]

Thanks to all of who giving your time for this. The story of the Princes is a GREAT lure into the history. It's intriguing. BUT...the greatness is in all the other characters. From Catherine of Valois, to Margaret Beaufort, Elizabeth Woodville and Edward, to the Insane story of Henry Tudors life. His life alone would make a massive blockbuster film. But I'm always drawn to a 13 year-old Margaret who just lost her husband and has now given birth to the only son she would ever have. 😥 THAT'S where the story is. These women were f'king legendary. Heartbreaking and thrilling stories of lifelong determination.

[@lisagagnon1747]

Great Discussion, Thank You! I think Matt's view is very intriguing and possible! I hope more evidence comes forth in the future to bring resolution to this case!

[@kazoolibra7322]

I am becoming pretty convinced that Perkin Warbeck WAS Richard Plantagenet. After their battle, Henry 7 and Elizabeth accepted him and his wife into the court. After Perkin attempted escape he was executed, but his wife remained in the court. Why would H and E have done this if he wasn't really E's brother. There would be no good reason to be so tolerant

[@castlerock58]

There was a difficult diplomatic issue. Warbeck was married to the king of Scotland's daughter. He also had support on the continent. Mercy was a sensible strategy until he tried to escape. Then, he was too much of a threat so they killed him. It is possible that Henry and Elizabeth were not certain who he was, He may have been selected for looking like Richard and he was coached to have a plausible story.

[@annkelly0072]

Fantastic discussion & theories.

[@pk6810]

Love a good debate. Both sides have good, well thought out arguements. I'm in the Richard did it camp, they were in his care so whatever way you slice it, it's his negligence. But, love hearing peoples thoughts on it all.

[@merylmel]

The boys might just have died of something. The sweating sickness for example. Why they'd then dispose of the princes though, I don't know.

[@castlerock58]

If that had happened, Richard III would have allowed their doctor continue to treat them and witness their deaths. Having them die from an illness is better than them vanishing without a trace. One of the most incriminating facts against Richard was that he prevented the boys' doctor from seeing them at the same time they vanished. I don't know if the sweating sickness was known yet. I have read that it is though to have come to England with Henry's army in 1485.

[@ariesrainbowchild]

Thank you 🙏

[@niiwin6595]

Richard iii would not have been sloppy about it at all!! And he would have produced bodies ... if they died i think it was Margret and Buckingham in know way was it Richard I like the idea that they where taken very far away possibly Edward North and Richard to his aunt by Richard as mentioned .. i agree Richard iii was under temendous preasure and i think he wanted to do right by England.

[@Geo_Babe]

I mean, it’s almost ridiculous how bias the Ricardians are becoming. Just the fact that PL and ML have published new works stating it’s definitely solved is a huge red flag and proves this point. Richard killed his nephews. It’s fun to watch these debates, but each time I finish one - I’m more convinced of his guilt.

[@merylmel]

Such a sad mystery. l hope some kind of evidence comes to light. In the end, they might just have died. So many children did.

[@Dave68Goliath]

Edward Plantagenet, Earl of Warwick was imprisoned at the age of 10, murdered at 24 due to being a threat to Henry VII. It seems Tudor Propaganda is still alive and well.. Legitimise Edward IV to marry his daughter to give his usurpation of Richards throne legitimacy, knowing Edward and Richard are dead.

[@Piggelgesicht]

This is the most frustrating thing I've ever come across - not only are there differing and compelling arguments but also the chat is interesting to read and speculate about.....but then you realize you're not following the video anymore. So you start again listening, reading, getting distracted and eventually starting all over again.........THIS VIDEO IS A TRAP!!!