Rumours about Steel Wave Hidden Changes Tested - Rainbow Six Siege

[@Rogue9]

00:00 - Intro 00:31 - Explosion Effects 02:21 - Secondary SMG Recoil

[@brocku0]

how are you so early !! it’s almost like you’re the uploader 😳

[@shinozu]

i kind of wished they changed the SMG 11 recoil this update

[@KevinJeff.]

My friends said that ads time in steel wave are different than void edge in some gun, but i don't feel any changes... is that true?

[@kierancooper856]

On the explosion effects it looks like the visual effects disappear quicker in steel wave

[@dariuswilliams5237]

Audio being inverted and black and white glutch

[@demonrox1228]

People say every secondary smg has different recoil after literally every update, and i like that outro music ❤

[@balticmauzer4031]

They do change

[@aidanraposa5814]

I feel no difference so 🤷🏻 (I don’t think it changed at all)

[@demonrox1228]

@@balticmauzer4031 Not after every single update hahahaha Sometimes they do, and quite obviously if you want to find out, Rouge is the dude you come to for answers

[@Sneeek]

@@balticmauzer4031 Why would the recoil change? It literally cant change without someone touching the code for recoil. Computers arent sentient.

[@Cblla]

Same goes with buck and ela EVERY season there is rumours that their recoil has changed when it's exactly the same

[@marianolaguzzi]

I swear at this point the secondary smg recoil allegedly changing is a meme

[@emerealm3779]

It actually did in phantom sight and ive not been able to use smg11 since. Even though it made the recoil easier

[@Thawhid]

@@emerealm3779 that was when Ubi told us of the changes, the purpose of this video is to show any "hidden" changes

[@MagpieR6]

@@Thawhid they do hidden changes alot but havnt notoced anything this season

[@DragonBallNOW]

I prefered the secondary smg recoil last season as now I've noticed much more players "sniping" me with a secondary smg from a mile away. Could just be coincidence tho lol

[@pr0fesorgr]

nobody said u have to test it without barrel to compare the overall recoil test(use flash at least). explosions has expaned the breakable soft area around it

[@jj8732]

Rouge9 could you please investigate my friends constant statement of 'how was that not a headshot", thanks.

[@qianlimprice930]

Lol I know this is a joke but rogue9 has actually tested all the factors that contribute to feeling like you missed

[@Jixeff]

@@qianlimprice930 whats the name of the video?

[@pravda9646]

I literally block anyone who says that, unless they have high ping. It's just as bad as toxicity when u cant own up to that shit.

[@riastradh]

Toby Jenkins that hit a little close to home

[@windhelmcityguard5122]

@@pravda9646 so you've never watched a kill cam and seen the blood come out of their face and cover their screen but not die?

[@donrosmarin1812]

It's interesting how the particle effect circling the Outbreak Chibi is affected by the the Explosion effects/filters: 2:08

[@mplme]

That is pretty cool, maybe Ubisoft could add more charms like that

[@Thawhid]

I got that charm Idek it does that 😂

[@Scientist-exe]

@@j.e.guevara4167 the chibi is getting lit on fire

[@JagerUberEats]

Julio Guevara you are right

[@littleladlarry]

Please look into the phenomenon of recoil being exactly the same between two separate seasons. That brings everything we thought we knew about recoil into question.

[@cataclystp]

it really doesnt. they probably use your position and angle as a factor in deciding recoil (because thats a better random than generated random) and if you use enough accuracy, even miniscule differences in position and and angle can result in different or vastly different recoil patterns.

[@qianlimprice930]

Maybe it's just that there are multiple sets of patterns thag the guns recoil follow and every time you shoot and then reload, it switches to the next recoil pattern.

[@JakeValorOfArms]

Recoil isn't quite "random" It uses a subset of pre defined patterns most likely, Might be a batch of lets say, 50 patterns per gun etc.

[@wimpyhugz_TGK]

That's what I think is happening. It would reduce the load on the... client CPU? servers?... if they weren't constantly calculating where the next shot is going to land. With enough pre-defined patterns, it basically does end up being random enough in actual gameplay.

[@minutenreis]

@@wimpyhugz_TGK even if they would calculate it, they would most likely just use a simple algorith, which, if it has the same seed, will follow the same pattern

[@Duke129409]

I was about to put something in about randomness in games but you kinda hit it, though small little change is that the "patterns" are just the numbers in the Random number generator being the same in that instance

[@wingi91]

@@minutenreis pretty sure it was like that before they changed recoil animations. rouge might have been incredibly lucky to hit the same recoil pattern twice with the smg9 OR certain guns don't have that many patters for... "reasons"

[@Internetzspacezshipz]

Randomness in computers is not random. Usually how random numbers work in comptuers is basically you get a 'seed' number, which is the initial state of the random number generator, then each time you ask for a new random number it will change the seed by doing some fairly simple math, then set the seed as that new number. In this case it must have had the same starting seed somehow (ideally the seed will be set from the date/time initially, since it will never be the same).

[@keatonwastaken]

Nobody: Everyone in a new season of Siege: THEY CHANGED THE RECOILS WTF

[@vohge]

Go back to your kingdom.

[@johnnydark3260]

@Ferret45 it's just a meme format people on 9gag use it too

[@jasnammansa8565]

@@johnnydark3260 pretty sure on ifunny aswell

[@keatonwastaken]

i dont even have an account on reddit but sure lads guessing this is the classic REDDIT BAD GANG who are worse than actual redditors now.

[@keatonwastaken]

@Ferret45 your pfp is the epitome of reddit huh ?

[@andro9389]

My guess is that for recoil patterns, what they mean by random, is that there are recoil patterns set up already that are randomly selected for the player in game.

[@aSmallGreenDot]

This season I've noticed that I've been playing really badly, does that count?

[@javierlandaverde4129]

Same

[@hugmuun]

This season on console has had the most keyboard and mouse players and its really apparent how much of an advantage it is when void edge casual games the top frag had 5 kills at the end and now the usual top frag of a 3 round game has 11+ kills because they're using keyboard and mouse against controller players

[@MinnueteCVP]

@@hugmuun Just git gud mate, 11 kills in casual isn't even an big accomplishment, specially when no one is really trying

[@sin9037]

@@hugmuun this man is talking about cas🤣

[@abob7173]

Ok what if there’s a set number of recoil patterns and that how you got the same recoil on some tests you ran?

[@Rogue9]

This will need a lot more exploration but it can't be a coincidence.

[@pineapple6833]

@@Rogue9 It seems like on some guns such as the SPSMG9 have the exact same recoil for every new clip but others are random based on pre existing bullet patterns the devs must have put into place, I wonder what weapons exactly this has an effect on and if there will be a way in the future to calculate these predictable patterns to master the recoil of certain weapons

[@BackwardsPancake]

Yeah, feels like some guns roll random numbers to determine each shot's impact, while others just create an illusion of this by cycling through different preset patterns that appear random individually. Having completely different ways of generating recoil for different weapons would certainly be peak Ubisoft. I wonder if and how the weapon attachments interact with these systems? It's completely anecdotal, but I've felt for a long time that certain weapons are actually easier to control without attachments, and this might explain why.

[@crashsparrow6943]

Maybe there's like an rng on patterns

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

"More likely we're dealing with an unintended bug." Is there such a thing as an intended bug?

[@wimpyhugz_TGK]

Ask Bethesda?

[@dawidlol1337]

Welcome to another episode of bug or feature?

[@lovethewicked1367]

Have you watched Sam Hogan lol

[@Ben_of_Milam_Music]

Yes! Technically. Sort of. An intended bug would be one of those "so good that it's a feature now" sort of bugs. Or a bug that's deemed acceptable if doesn't harm the player experience in any substantial way (like sometimes SFX for opening a pause menu doesn't play, for example).

[@collinz1004]

*Me just getting used to bearing 9 recoil* "Aw shit. Here we go again "

[@tyrelldavies47]

Hey Rogue! Your content is awsome I hope if your ever sad you consult in youtuber and your supporting awsome fans but anwyas YOUR AWSOME THIS VIDEO IS AND I LOVE IT ALL KEEP IT UP MY GUY

[@wangwang5896]

Tyrell Davies i just got a stroke reading ur comment

[@isaacswain641]

hoofdmen same

[@robertjolicoeuriii9724]

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this.

[@arashnotlegit8649]

Yeah.......after iceycat I'm really scared for everyone.

[@shahnawazansari774]

bot?

[@toshal22]

At this point rogue-9 should test the secondary smg's every update, they get accused of changing every season.

[@LordTachunker]

Well I know for sure Fuze's lmg hiofire is bugged somewhat. It follows the exact same first shit pattern. If you tap fire you will literally get a perfect circle made out of the same 8 bullet pattern. You can actually line up one taps from accross the map with it because you'll know where the shot will land dead on. Some of the secondary smg's maybe suffer from this as well maybe?

[@killrade4434]

I had an explosion animation that was glitched into the floor get up animation similar to being hit by an airjab; I was in sprint or trying to sprint away when it happen.

[@pikkyuukyuun4741]

I want a recoil bug where instead of pulling down to compensate, the guns recoil makes it aim down so you have to aim upwards instead

[@swizzxyy8676]

What really changed are the hut boxes every game I’ve been there is at least one gun fight where I shoot the person die bye them and they still have full health when blood splattered on the wall

[@switterbeet9580]

perhaps the recoil patterns for the guns are a series of small spray patterns assigned to the gun in a random order? that would explain why they would match up for some cases, but not always have the same exact spray.

[@marshallsessions845]

I really like how u are keeping bloopers in. Keep up the good work

[@JuanDinner]

I hope they do change some of the secondary mp’s recoil at least a little bit. Maybe not to their prime levels, but I really hate using them (aside from the SMG-11 on my good days) outside of 3 meters. I was a believer of the recoil change rumor at first, and my subjective testing led me to change from flash hider to compensator on my SMG-11s for the new season.

[@rileyp1506]

The first bug you talked about was that hitboxes were messing up for other people when they were in an explosion radius

[@Daniel-d19]

about the identical recoil patterns: there are 2 most probable answers. 1)the randomisation algorithm works using a seed (input number that changes the result), which varies with every bullet shot or every magazine, and this seed repeats in every game if the bullets are shot in the same way. 2) the recoil patterns are hard-coded for every single gun. I sincerely hope for the first possibility since in a chaotic game like siege it is practically impossible to replicate the same shot patterns again and again and therefore learn the recoil. Also the second one would be an incredibly bad way of coding. (modified cuz my english sux)

[@draddogz529]

The audio bugs for the kill cams are worse now (on console, at least). In every single kill cam, footsteps and gunshots are silent. The only exception to this is gunshots of suppressed weapons. Strangely enough, if you're using a suppressed weapon, there's a chance it will sound unsuppressed in the kill cam. This happened with my suppressed M4 in the round ending kill cam.

[@AlexNV75]

We just had a bug where the garage wall on consulate was indestructible, even though thermite blew open the reinforcement the soft wall was left underneath and you couldn’t destroy it

[@ScreenD0or]

Hello Rogue-9! I’m a fan of your videos, and I have something that you could look into, if you haven’t already. I have found that I can pretty consistently, if timed right, fire a bullet as my gun fills with bullets during a reload. This causes the bullet I fire to come from the old mag, while simultaneously putting a full mag of bullets into the gun. This can be interesting for guns like the BOSG, because it can cause you to shoot 3 bullets instead of 2, if timed right. Keep in mind that I’m on Xbox. Just a little something I wanted to share somewhere.

[@alexandermadsen7813]

That some patterns are identical might have something to do with that they want to eliminate the chance for ridicoules spray patterns that should be possible like a pattern where all the shots are almost recoilless by all getting in the bottom corner of the diamnond

[@evanlam9592]

I think they used different sets of recoil patterns to make us think that the recoil is "randomized". But they have already set for us.

[@lennartmachatsch9897]

about the explosion experience: theres less screen shake

[@flowerpower0]

I'm not sure if it has been changed but I feel like Thermite exothermic charge doesn't have the same "power" than before. There was some tricks where you can place Thermite' s charge on the ceiling of a room and the blow explosion can destroy 1/3 of the below reinforced wall. It was a nice trick to bypass electrified walls. Now, it seems the blow radius is lower and if you don't place the charge correctly, either it doesn't blow the reinforced wall, either it destroys only the reinforced part, still the soft wall behind is intact.

[@eperseurr6710]

I feel like it took you a lot of time and effort to compare everything, but honestly it's some really good content and I really enjoyed so keep up the good work man !

[@lovethewicked1367]

I believe that the first day of the season ela's scorpion's recoil was very very manageble than what it normally was.

[@MrKenjy9295]

It kind of looks like there is a slightly more pronounced double vision effect when within explosion range, but only very slightly more

[@shutomasi]

It was only the Bearing-9 and it was only before the first Steel Wave patch. It had crazy low vertical recoil but the horizontal was the same. If it's possible to download that build you can try and see.

[@sacstanxiang3736]

Next level: Remembering the recoil pattern for each individual shot

[@bhizzle64]

It isn’t a major update in siege without someone placeboing themselves into believing that the recoil on ela’s scorpion or the smg12 was adjusted.

[@Excessive_complaining]

Maybe it's just me getting better at handling it but in the transition between seasons I noticed the smg-12 seemed to have less 1st and 2nd shot recoil during short bursts maybe it's just a visual thing idk but I feel much more confident with it now than last season

[@Minace141]

During playing this season we noticed that the player model sometimes bugs. People seem to be looking straight ahead, but could potentially be aiming 90° left, straight at you. The Player model seems to look elseware then the actual player does. In the Killcam and the "zoom in" before the kill cam, the person was aiming the way they shot, but from our perspective while alive, they didnt.

[@Minace141]

*Sometimes. For my 5 stack different people noticed this 4 times so far this season. Which is not alot concidering our playtime.

[@FrumpleTJBoyd]

You literally put so much effort into your videos you deserve way more credit

[@christiandowning9657]

I have experience a big twice. On attack, my drone would be in color, however, my first person point of view would be black and white and would last the whole round or correct itself a minute in.

[@verstahl4258]

You know it has been a good video when this video leads to the formation of a new one

[@paradox8951]

i think ive seen an invis nokk as well. came around a corner in the weirdest way. just activated her ability

[@DUxMORTEM]

While i cant say for secondary smgs, valks MPX, alibis Mx4 and thermites 556xi all gained more recoil after grim sky on console as almost every player ran angled grip on valk and alibi and now they run vertical as they have more recoil of which i confirmed in a test of watching previously recorded material. With thermite i see very few players running acogs now with success, most run non acogs now. In fsct there was one patch that made the smg12 relatively controllable to where it was viable at short range and mid in bursts for 1mth, then a patch fixing bugs came out and it was back to being almost unusable again.

[@TrustedFemboy]

i still run angled on valk and alibi

[@sukitoru-]

If you get a the final kill with clash electricity the sound glitches and stays were clash was at the end of the round for the rest of the game.

[@dylancave164]

Video 2 of me telling about Glaz's visual bug with his iron sights and hoping Rogue 9 sees

[@ilovecheetos26]

Maybe the randomness in the recoil pattern is only calculated on the first shot and that determines the overall pattern until you stop shooting. It could be that there is a hidden number or seed that is constantly changing based off of in game time or other factors that simulates randomness.

[@Heroltz998]

I was thinking similarily. There are implementations of "random" in programming libraries, such as C-languages standard random number generator, that might not get random enough initial seeds which then results in the same sequence of "random" numbers from one run of a program to the next. The interesting bit to know then is that is this weapon spesific, character spesific or game/round spesific seed. Or maybe something completely different.

[@VarrickThrae]

Very likely the Random Shot algorithm has preset seeds and you got the same seed a few times but that means they may need to add more seeds

[@chriwehl7173]

I think all guns got a list of recoil spray patterns they randomly choose from. Might be worth looking into.

[@nyxsuke]

I knew something was up about my C75 when I was playing Dokkaebi yesterday, Could barely hit Warden with it's pattern but now I have some practice to do again

[@thomaspontet8241]

The like to dislike ratio is enough proof that this man has already ascended

[@TbjrL]

On console the bearing 9 and smg 11 have the same kinda recoil that ella has where the first few bullets are controllable but spraying is more difficult but on the bearing 9 flash hide is op

[@MinnesotaOtter]

I will say tho, Ela scorpion seems to have a little bit more of a left pull then before. No idea if I’m not used to firing it but I’ve had times at closer than 10 Meters where I’m missing cause it’s pulling so hard to the left of the Attacker

[@geniuswave1281]

Get Flanked did a video on Amaru having inconsistent sound after the buff, so it would be interesting if you got the same results

[@CupofJon707]

Thanks for the in-depth testing and analysis, always appreciated. To me, it just sounds like people who cant control the recoil to begin with are making these rumors

[@allisinterpretation]

In my case, the melee hit range and headshot hitbox both seemed to have changed. Or so i think. Idk really.. But there have been multiple instances where i was hit by a melee that's super far, and supposedly headshots miss. R6 needs a replay available for download.

[@gage2189]

I’ve noticed that this season, I’ve been seeing more suppressors and extended barrels on the SMG11. I think it’s just people finally bothering to learn its recoil. (I still don’t get the suppressors)

[@Herkan97]

I have the personal challenge of landing secondary weapon kills and with weapons with suppressors, so it may be that people are running suppressors for that. Even if "personal" also means that they are random, they probably aren't too varied that a lot of players don't get the same challenges as me. It could just be "personal" to separate from the community challenge, where you only need to participate once I think and that the personal challenges are all the same for everyone, secondary and suppressor kills included.

[@LeWhiske]

One thing I feel is different is the run speed with secondary weapons, as they feel faster, idk if its a change in animation speed or the characters actual speed

[@avihaicohen696]

I can explain how the recoil patters ended up the same. Basically there is no such thing as random when it comes to computers what it is is a "seed" which is a number that goes through a long mathematical equation to get a new number. How that "seed" is created could be different usually it using the computer's clock and the time it was on to generate one but using that in the seed wouldn't work for recoil patterns in the game. So my guess is that there are set seeds for each pattern that are being randomly picked by a number that is generated by a traditional seed. But those pre-set seeds are what causes identical recoil patterns This is just my theory as a programmer myself

[@utvamp]

Man, your channel is sooo good. Love your content, keep up the good work!

[@Ionis400]

The Tool holder by the garage stairs in consulate cannot be destroyed by bullets anymore..

[@daniellaurin9566]

I'm a smoke main on console and I can be completely wrong but, like buck's C8 I think they made a unique recoil pattern on console for the smg-11.

[@PrivateMemo]

I was actually wondering if anyone apart from me had noticed that when you do recoil comparisons, the recoil patterns on each side always looked so similar that I thought they were the same.

[@dy8253]

Rogue9 The recoil did change in the first week of the new patch but then they patched the recoil back

[@lemeow8102]

anyone heard any talk about the supposed suppressor changing recoil thing? idk but i believe some apac pros were talking about it?

[@gabrielcruz7402]

They say that they won't add new weapons so you don't need to get used to new patterns but they won't stop changing smgs recoil

[@lide2262]

I would say, that the Explosion Effect in Void Edge was slightly harder.

[@Scientist-exe]

I would say you need glasses

[@machinegunchops4249]

I’m not sure if this is the explosion bug but yesterday when a grenade blew up my screen shook like crazy and when I zoomed in there was like 3 acogs

[@WellCookedPotatoes]

You probably got hit by someone’s gadget. I can’t remember who but some ops have gadgets where if they hit you it will give you double vision. I think it was either echos drone or zofia’s cuncusion grenades but I don’t know for sure

[@rokasb9441]

Yes, i did feel like smg11 had more kick since i use it at least 20% of my play time... or it's just me going from desktop to laptop and with fps drop from 160 to 40-48

[@IcyDripAss123]

I’ve been practicing smg 11 recoil pattern and I honestly don’t know if they have changed it

[@v.velanga9608]

Yes. My game doesn't start. Since the first week of Steel Wave, my game doesn't even show connection with Uplay. I uninstalled and installed again Siege, Uplay and even Steam, and nothing changes. The Task Manager doesn't show Siege either. I went to the website and there were about 10 complaints already about it. I don't play siege in about two weeks now and Siege didn't even acknowledge the problem, so this can be fixed soon or in Year 6, and I can't know. I just wish I didn't waste my money on the Season Pass this year if I knew I wouldn't be able to play the bloody game. I could be playing the Battle Pass right now, but I can't. By the way, I love your videos!

[@solar9706]

Rogue, did you ever notice the Bandit MP7 hipfire pattern when in single fire? I was shown this bit recently and I cant figure out any reason it exists. For those who dont know if you tap fire while hipfiring the MP7 it has a perfect circle pattern no matter the distance.(with or without a laser)

[@Zman9042]

3:05 he's on a whole new level of sarcasm

[@johnnyjay102]

Secondary smg recoil on console is definitely changed. As a controller player today I was able to consistently hit every shot with the smg-12 and potato-9

[@Ni66otFa66er]

I've been popping off with the smg-11constantly lately. Though maybe I just finally started to git gud. 😅

[@enderborn017]

What about the aimpunch when ADS? Do you think they fixed the old sight misalignment problem by creating multiple recoil patterns then picking a random one when firing?

[@Roman-ji7iu]

Something about house feels really different this season, you think you could look into that

[@Misuune]

He's right, no update to the game is without bugs. And I am still mad about few bugs that ain't fixed yet.

[@achrafbarkoua5655]

A thing they did change alibi's primarie fire rate from 980 down to 950

[@jessepinkman6253]

@rogue9 they did nerf Fuze big time by removing the explosion damage trough walls. He was really fun and powerful in void egde but now he's just bad and inconsistent.

[@doctordeath2551]

He sounds like one of them English people from the movies

[@hamidrezabehzadi9071]

Thanks for the time stamp R9

[@Rogue9]

You are welcome!

[@darealgrants3953]

This definitely deserves a like for how much work you put into it

[@notacat7127]

Still haven’t fixed the problem with my sight not showing up at the beginning of the round

[@waltbased1578]

They also changed the animation of getting shield from the back

[@f2mreis798]

I also noticed that gu mines apear more easy to spot

[@jacobclements3652]

One change I have noticed is I can now get someone to go a hard breach in solo quee

[@alphagamma1289]

Maybe it randomly selects one if many predefined recoil patterns, instead of a per-shot basis.

[@onionenthusiast9832]

They keep saying that secondary smg changes every season to give rogue 9 something to do

[@catsfrommars]

Anyone noticed the change in the mobility stats? Noticed it with Blackbeard's DMR and Mk17 and I saw it with some of the shield operators. Do we finally know what mobility is?

[@kylewestbrook3547]

I watch so much pc gameplay even though I’m on Xbox and honestly it feels like rn there is some weird damage output bug in online play that randomly occurs. That and the unholy black and white vision of death 💀

[@MRCOLOURfilld]

I don't know if it was in the patch notes and I missed it but getting zapped by twitch is really disorienting now. Really hard for me to kill the drone if it zaps me first.

[@aushushe1568]

I’m not sure if it is still there but I was a sledge main and when steel wave came out if felt like his ar had more recoil

[@thenewmeta4893]

What is it with the community constantly saying that there is a change when there actually isn’t. It’s kinda funny watching someone say that the secondary SMGs got new recoil patterns.

[@paradox8951]

3:30 ???

[@350speedfreak]

I would never notice a recoil change. I can’t hit anything anyway.

[@domi-thw-2391]

After the last update i am having huge issues with the 552 commando even tho i was really good with it before steel wave

[@Fer_Silfore]

I play with the SMG-11 everyday. It’s my favourite gun. The recoil did not change or I would be spraying downward not straight

[@nathanbrown1916]

I NEVER say secondary recoil is different. However, this time I could have sworn it's less. Maybe not. Anyway good video.

[@Beulena.]

People probably have the secondary recoil thought because they are using them more for the battle pass

[@TheMccarthy327]

Idk man lately I have been going off wit the smg 11 and 12 it feels different but you fer sure are right tho!