Run 16 Bit Programs on 64 Bit Windows! - WineVDM Tutorial & Demo

[@vcprocles]

Installing Wine to run Windows programs. On Windows.

[@GeekIWG]

Ironic, right? LOL

[@samuelhulme8347]

15th like

[@eduardoavila646]

Lol right? Then you see how microsoft fucks up things....

[@SenileOtaku]

Some time ago I had suggested that to the Codeweavers people (for applications that insisted upon specific MSWin versions, etc).

[@Tall_Order]

Thats even more bizarre than needing dosbox to run dos software on a PC considering dos is what PCs originally used.

[@Robotition]

Finally! I've been trying to find a program that lets you run 16 bit programs on 64 bit for so long! Thanks for making this video. Great video!

[@MichaelMJD]

You're welcome!

[@Jake1702]

Dosbox exists

[@Robotition]

@@Jake1702 yea I know but I wanna run it like on a 32 bit copy of windows.

[@AtrixRBX]

@@Robotition me too!

[@christiangonzales7429]

now if only there was a program that allows PowerPC apps to run on Intel Mac.

[@BobPony]

I like how Windows 1.x Paint works perfectly under WineVDM unlike Microsoft's own NTVDM.

[@NijiDash]

It’s also pretty interesting to see that Windows 10 still applies the desktop compositing effects, even on the Windows 95-style windows.

[@cal4720]

Bob Pony Oh hi bob

[@Adolf1Extra]

Wine implements the NT kernel better than the NT kernel itself.

[@FeelingShred]

I've been having more joy running old games in Wine than I ever had in Windows, wish I knew this stuff 5 years ago. There's a few problems with software that require media playback (work stuff) but besides that the thing is badass. Open Source rocks

[@AtrixRBX]

True

[@zellfaze]

Gotta love Wine. It has better compatibility with old Wibdows than Windows has ever had. A project started to let you run Windows apps on Linux now used to run Windows on Windows. :)

[@hibbiea8841]

MajorSky17?

[@kingemperorspamton]

WIBDOWS ‼️

[@Mario583a]

It's the little victories that matter. Granted, not everything can run under WineVDM.

[@hanro50]

If I recall. NTvdm never got a port to 64-bit since the CPU mode it relied on for fast 16-bit code execution gets disabled when a x86 processor is switched into long mode. WineVDM is likely translating 16-bit instruction calls to 32-bit and then passing that off to Windows.

[@WOSArchives]

There's also a similar project called "NTVDMx64" which is basically an AMD64 port of the VDM for non-x86 versions of Windows NT 4, so it uses emulation instead of the V86 CPU mode. It does also integrate (or rather hack its way into) Windows itself thus allowing you to run DOS programs just by double clicking it. Unfortunately, it only works with DOS programs and because it hacks into the application loader it does get detected as a Trojan, but it does appear to be otherwise clean and it does work... all right, but it's another interesting project like WineVDM but dedicated to DOS programs.

[@cheeseisgud7311]

This^ I was going to say that but this^

[@cheeseisgud7311]

@PeterEater98 no I was referring to wine vdm

[@swordsmusic8420]

and OTVDM

[@porterlojko6332]

how are you classified as windows os?

[@Galaxy.Windows]

NTVDM can run Windows programs

[@stevenjlovelace]

One thing I find interesting is how older applications always revert to the Win9x look. It seems like everything since the turn of the century: Luna, Aero, Metro/Modern UI is all an extra layer on the Windows Classic theme.

[@mjdxp5688]

I really love your videos, they're always really interesting and lots of fun to watch, keep up the good work!

[@MichaelMJD]

Thank you! Glad you like them

[@MaskedGEEK]

I remember seeing Windows 95 being released way back in my college days, so whenever I had to use a Windows 3.1 PC again I'd always open the clock and resize it and move it to the bottom right of the desktop. Ahhhh, the good old days.

[@meligarcia]

9:48 This painting should belong in a museum along with that other one!

[@ce1cecl]

MS-Dos executive. Forgot to try to log off with it. It ACTUALLY WORKS!!!

[@MichaelMJD]

Yes it does!

[@PhirePhlame]

Same is true, if memory serves, on the actual VDM within Win32.

[@ronswanson9210]

Great overview of how to actually use this! Have some old office apps and new Win 10 64 bit PC's. Having to use VM Virtual PC's for the old apps. This will make life a lot easier.

[@TechBaffle]

Thank you so much! Got one of my favourite older games (3D Brick Bustin' Madness) to work in 64-bit Windows! It was the installation wizard that was the issue, but the game works without WineVDM - I guess it's 32-bit. To get the game to work I right-clicked the game, Properties, Compatibility and enabled 'run in 640x480 resolution'.

[@hanniffydinn6019]

This should be built into windows.

[@eduardoavila646]

Nah, ms actually silently goes killing compatiblity in every version of windows, they wouldn't do that.

[@BrightSpark]

@@eduardoavila646 What the hell are you talking about? Microsoft always tries to keep a reasonable amount of backwards compatibility in their products because it's used by businesses around the world that rely on it. 16 bit compatibility, however, was killed off because a) it's a big security risk as the APIs were written in a time where security wasn't a huge concern due to a lack of widespread internet access, and b) modern processors aren't backwards compatible with 16 bit commands anymore. If you want to see a company that actively destroys compatibility then look at what Apple does, because they just killed 32 bit backwards compatibility.

[@eduardoavila646]

@@BrightSpark I think you interpreted wrongly my comment, well i'm not a native english speaker so it may be my fault too. I never said they were a greedy company wich was sabotaging their own customers. What i said is that every newer version of windows, more and more programs are made, the world evolves, so naturally, they "turn off" the compatiblity to some really old api's and/or programs, device drivers, etc. And your explanation doesnt make all the sense, because if its a huge security breach (wich i don't doubt), then why the 32bit windows version has that compatiblity? About cpus don't having these instructions, this isn't a issue at all, as they can be either translated or emulated (wich is more likelly), and again in 32 bit windows it works, and with WineVDM it also works with 64 bit windows perfectly. What happens is that when a certain time has passed, most of the people won't be using such old programs, and if some will, they will likelly use a emulator or a old machine to use it. So it doesn't worth the hassle of keeping that code, and updating it, trying to fix secutiry breaches, etc. Apple is being more radical here, many programs are still written in 32 bit today, but yeah in a not so near future we will see that in every system. Actually canonical done the same thing. There isn't a 32 bit ubuntu iso anymore. You can have the lastest update tho, just install the latest 32 bit iso and upgrade.

[@kateiry4719]

It's simply unnecessary

[@eduardoavila646]

@@kateiry4719 Well, for the most people, yes, not all of them tho.

[@frankmolina2076]

Thanks so much for the video. I finally have been able to get a 16 bit amateur radio program to run on my computer after having tried everything I am so excited that it worked even though this video is a few years old.

[@Angelgreat]

Hey Michael MJD, I dare you to run Windows 10 Pro, running Hyper-V, running Windows 7 Pro, running Windows Virtual PC/ Windows XP Mode, running Windows XP Pro, running Virtual PC 2007, running Windows 98 SE, running in MS-DOS mode, running a C64 emulator, running a Commodore 64, running Planet X-2. Please make this video idea reality!

[@SocialSpit]

Angel Amezquita do it!!

[@Angelgreat]

@@SocialSpit I'm telling MJD to do it, not me.

[@ZX3000GT1]

You better off asking Druaga1 to do this.

[@rbolo29]

Would take too much CPU power to run all those, 'nested environments.'

[@adg1355]

Virtualization/emulation inception

[@s0men00bb]

Edit: Reading down the comments , I've realised it does most of it , as I just watched video , haven't tried and looked software archive itself. And comments below make me to think that this can be done even further and deeper integrated into x64 versions of Win , with little tweaks. :) Well , a wrapper that integrates it into Win can be done. :) Now , the other part and challenging one is to make it knows which app is 16bit and which isn't. Simplest would be to have one or several to unlimited folders to be specified inside wrapper to tell it that everything inside that folder(s) is 16bit.

[@cntrn-ti6xy]

Nice, this will be useful for trying to install older games that use 16-bit installers.

[@FeelingShred]

Flying Corps, here we go xDDDD (ooops I forgot I can't find the game anywhere anymore :( )

[@doot5820]

*Sonic's schoolhouse works* Edit: only the installer requires winevdm

[@DaddySann1776]

im doing that right now for som old CD's with game demos on them. ill keep you updated!

[@ZeaZolf]

Professor Teaches Windows 98 here I come

[@nuc5042]

@@ZeaZolf win98 is 32 bit not 16 bit

[@ARMsIGnition]

Window 10 64Bit User here... After trying so many methods...Virtual Machine,DosBox,Hyper-V Features , Windows XP Mode...and installed multiple times of Window XP 32Bits... This is by far most easier way to play 16Bits games... Basicly just run the file, locate the 16Bits Games EXE you want to run...and everythings perfect... No setting needed, No OS installing required, No Hard Disk wasted for Virtual Machine......

[@swervature]

Awesome job, brother! Keep up the great work.

[@MichaelMJD]

Thanks, will do!

[@Engineer9736]

Should have tried to start win.com with this program ;-)

[@Tall_Order]

KZbin treated that like a link. And to a really bad website that won't load lol.

[@jamesslick4790]

@@Tall_Order 🤣

[@jamesslick4790]

@Miłosz Looks dodgy... 🤔 😲😂

[@jamesslick4790]

@Miłosz Any thing that implies that I might be a winner seems dodgy, 😂

[@MDTravisYT]

d o n t t r u s t t h o s e w e b s i t e s

[@Hiro-li8cf]

duuuude, just came across your video, you are a boss!! finally i can re-live all the games from my childhood like jijs adventure and castle in the winds

[@offrails]

Looks like it works pretty well - I have a bunch of old 16 bit games from the 1994-1996 era that I had to resort to using either a VM or DosBox (running Windows 3.1) to run.

[@viocaia]

You are my savior ! I'm using Cakewalk 3 sequencer on 16b , now is working like charm! Thanks!

[@Zenidar85]

Finally an easier way to play SimTower without having to use DOS Box or a VM!

[@giocido]

I'm surprised that notepad still looks the same all these years later, that's how good they have made it.

[@videogamer3999]

Nice alternative to making a virtual machine for older games, thanks for the tutorial.

[@pleaseyourselfsir]

Amazing Video , and I too have been waiting for a greatly detailed video just like this , so a big thanks is in order ... THANK YOU ! ! ! 👍🏻❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🧐🧐🤔🤔🤯🤯🤯🤓🤓🤓🤝🤝🤝👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@kerie1261]

I didn't know 16 bit apps works on 64-bit versions of Windows and happy New Year

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

OTVDM could have the potential for classic 16-bit Windows games from the Windows 3.1-era to be rereleased through digital distribution platforms such as Steam or GOG by using pre-configured batch files in Windows.

[@wile123456]

You didn't install it fully, it can add a registry entry so you can double click on 16 bit exe and it will run it in the virtual machine automatically and you don't have to do the slow process of opening it up manually

[@MCAlexisYT]

"2 separate taskbar because of Calmira XP" Regular end-users: *wait that's illegal*

[@iPhone7_Official]

I actually watch you from 2017

[@AnimalFacts]

Have you thought about trying to install Wine under WSL2 to run 16-bit apps on Modern Windows?

[@nicklamey438]

I'm wanting to run a 16bit game that was officially for windows 98-XP. Would following these steps help me run the game?

[@Chrdwight]

Thank you so much! Now I can finally run some 90s games

[@rowenfernandes2956]

Great Informative video. Many Thanks.

[@lenny4d]

Awesome, you made my day!! (not to mention the author behind winevdm)

[@johnbelli9390]

Note that this is an emulator. The MS ntvdm is not compatible with 64 bit Windows because the processor cannot be switched back to 16 bit mode once it has been switched to 64 bit mode. MS did not want to build the necessary emulator into Windows.

[@LiEnby]

well there is a hacked version of NTVDM *around* that allows for windows x64

[@JoshuaRichards2010]

@@LiEnby That's what this is based on if I'm understanding correctly. Leecher1337's NTVDMx64, which is based on leaked MS code.

[@Dave4000]

If you wanted to use Calmira, set the Windows 10 Taskbar to hide automatically.

[@sglbl]

Thank you sir for this video making 16 bit programs work on 64bit OS

[@Hipkoc.3am]

happy new year 2019

[@diogobruno4930]

This video was cool, thanks for sharing it.

[@domingobagaforo2430]

Man.. im trying to run a super obsolete program that runs on windows 95. Thank's this will help a lot of future IT fellas that want to dig the past.

[@XPEric123]

"What a year" If only we knew...

[@JaymeVanAuken]

Well done. Admittedly I'm not very tech savvy though your video outlines the process clearly. That said I would like to run Microsoft Street & Trips 2013 on my HP 64 bit laptop. I've used both methods. Executable otvdmw and the Run otvdm and I get this error msg back, verson: 1056 1088:err:winvdm:exec16 510: C:\users\jayme\desktop\street`\setup_exe is a win32 executable file! 1088:fixme:module:loadmodule_wineimplementation 1299: strange error by createprocess: 740. Not really sure where to go from hear. I'll scour the innerwebs till get tired. Thanks your video is excellent ! - JAYME

[@JoshuaRichards2010]

Try running it straight - it's saying it's a 32-bit, not a 16-bit, program. otvdm is for 16-bit. So, try Compatibility Mode for Windows XP (Street and Trips 2013 is after XP [1999]).

[@JaymeVanAuken]

@@JoshuaRichards2010 I've tried and its ng.

[@nanduprasads3017]

Watching on december 29/2019😂😂 belated merry christmas and advanced happy new year guys🥰

[@MichaelMJD]

Happy new year!

[@jamesfrain8318]

"A few days before 2019 officially begins" Ah yes, because the year has unofficially started at that point

[@AndresMejiaV68]

Great tutorial! I just got many "old" 16 bits up and running in my "2nd laptop" using Windows 10 64 bits OS. The only thing is not clear is if the otdvmw is to be clicked every time? It doesn´t seem to install anything! It works, though! Thank you for your video as it is what I was looking for a long time and it works really great!

[@Mr._Lechkar]

Happy New Year!

[@NiNjaTurtLe697]

Brilliant, thanks!!!

[@SkyFly19853]

Thank you so much for this tutorial!

[@TattiePeeler]

Thank You. I can now run the casette sleeve maker/editor: Caselinr, on Windows 10.

[@GeoNeilUK]

Winevdm is also available on Chocolatey, though you'll have to manually uninstall WineVDM if you already have it installed if you want to replace it with the version from Chocolatey. Also, Chocoloatey requires you to manually check for new versions.

[@DoomRater]

More options is better! I've been running Windows 3.11 under DOSBox to accomplish this so far. Edit: Almost forgot- I also keep a low end 32 bit Windows 10 machine around for running 16 bit applications natively as well.

[@JoshuaRichards2010]

32-bit Win NT (2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8/8.1, 10) doesn't run 16 bit native. It uses NTVDM, which is basically what this (winevdm) does, except NTVDM is by Microsoft.

[@System3200]

Happy new year

[@System3200]

I could just downloaded dosbox

[@antonisautos8704]

2018 what a year... 2020... hold my whiskey

[@ebayscopeman]

Michael, Do you know if 32 bit DOS programs will run with otdvm as well. I am interested in running OrCAD SDT schematic design capture software. Also how doe it handle different video screen resolutions and mice drivers?

[@scottishscotty7215]

Can it run DOS programs? After all, VDM stands for "Virtual DOS Machine".

[@jemert96]

The insane irony is that Wine (Linux software) has better backwards compatibility with Windows software *than Windows itself*

[@barkeeper7887]

im 13 and i played some ps1 games when i was 8 now i want those back thx 4 the help

[@bobingabout]

15:14 "The existing file is newer than the one Setup is trying to install. it is recommended that you keep the existing file. Do you want to keep the existing file?" "Lets go ahead and click no, click no, so that we don't overwrite anything." READ THE MESSAGE! you clicked no to overwrite with the older file you dingus! I mean yeah you pressed no to overwriting afterwards, but pressed the wrong answer to the first message.

[@ThatRandomToast]

For the latest version (as of the writing of this comment), just install by running either "install" or "install (no console)" included with the zip.

[@Erableto]

It would be cool to see a video of this running on Windows 11.

[@DhavidSetiawanKilluaDhavid]

Maybe I will try Install MS Office 4.2 on Win 10 x64 🤔

[@DhavidSetiawanKilluaDhavid]

@Robert B. Oh OK, Thank you for advice But I will try it

[@Hublium]

I have good news for you: There is a 32 bit version of Office 4.2. It was meant for Windows NT 3.x but it works on Windows 10 x64. (I have a video on my channel)

[@CatFromCo]

That's amazing! Thank you very much!

[@kermitdafrog8]

Ahh the good ole days of Windows 3.11 with Winsock and Windows 95 using 16bit protected mode assembly.

[@ליהיימליך]

wow, that's a great video!

[@sidr21]

This is great for standalone EXE's. What about a batch file that calls EXE with arguments?

[@Justinpitchford]

Dude that's awesome!!! Thanx so much!!!!

[@tim_6888]

Thank You This Works So Helpful

[@xtracore04]

I love it. BTW can you run Win95 programs on Win10?

[@eduardoavila646]

Possibly

[@FuZZbaLLbee]

I am running an XP virtual machine, just to be able to use a HP laserjet printer. Drivers for this printer only work in XP or windows server 2003. Would something like this also work for obsolete hardware?

[@Skittleology]

Michael I haven’t watched your videos in a year! Get the joke? You know, since it’s the new year?

[@sum1anywhere]

Does not yet play sound from JezzBall. And my old favorite game, Star Wars Chess by Software Toolworks does not work properly. Most 16-bit apps from Microsoft Home collection do not work, give some advapi32.dll error. But I expect it to improve over time. :) It is fantastic. Nothing like this done ever before for 64-bit Windows.

[@qiu5873]

It's kinda funny that you can't tell the difference of notepad program between the win 1.0 and 10

[@UltimatePerfection]

Well, Win3.1 icon is a bit more pixelated...

[@jamesslick4790]

There's not much that NEEDS to be changed in an ASCII text editor. It's the digital equivalent of a pencil. I can describe 2018 tech using a pencil from 1985 or describe 1980's tech using a 2018 pencil. Both will have lead and an eraser in their usual positions, and they will work EXACTLY the same! Ditto for Notepad. If it ain't broke,don't "fix" it.

[@CoWinkKeyDinkInc]

@@jamesslick4790 we get it nerd

[@PearComputingDevices]

yay now I can run program manager on my Windows 10 64-bit!

[@prfo5554]

R.a. Wheeler some of the installers have issues with it and tend to crash.

[@PearComputingDevices]

PR Fo Yeah, I am sure. It's emulation not virtual. But even in virtual machines some won't run. I have some old OS/2 programs for a client who still needs that software for her accounting, it will not work without crashing predictably at certain system calls. So, I keep her an old optiplex running OS/2 4.5.2 to access that software.

[@AnotherByteData]

I suggest you to do video helping people to move from Windows to Linux. What programs to use, etc. The "refund day vídeo" should ring the bell.

[@RealRonaldThump]

Very cool, keep it up!

[@MichaelMJD]

thank you! will do

[@doot5820]

Not kidding, sonic's schoolhouse actually works with winevdm using the 95 setup, you don't need winevdm to run the game, just the setup

[@cmjvanrijn505]

Can you do another history type video or something like a look back video. A video about adobe’s creative suit releases

[@mrmimeisfunny]

It worked fine for me with the 64 bit version of visual c++

[@hgdagon]

I like the video. Still, I hope you'd show the installation process. You can install WineVDM, so you can launch programs by simply double-clicking. Also, you mentioned there's a couple of other programs that can do this. Which programs? To the best of my knowledge, this is the only program, that allows you to run *GUI* 16-bit programs.

[@jokerjackgaming7560]

Is this safe ?

[@allahvscovid19]

no obviously not

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

That’s nuts!

[@ProbUndefined]

Somehow my dad opened a 16 bit program and a 32 bit and he opened it on windows 11 and it worked fine

[@KelleyM462]

I have a older cooking cd-rom for Windows 3 1 will this Wine software load this up? Do I just drag and drop the Windows 3.1 to the cd install application or autoplay?

[@artisticafflair408]

what if you already have the C++ thingy already installed do I delete the newer versions to get the older one to work?

[@southpark159753]

no to fix this hold shift and right click in an empty spot where you downloaded the new C++ 2015 RC3 and click open powershell here. run this, vc_redist.x86.exe /uninstall. Select Repair, it will now be installed. Still not sure if this pack is needed since windows grouped together C++ 2015-2019 now.

[@unknowngamer6791]

Would this be a way to say use a 16 bit installer on some old games that used 16 bit to install certain games however the game it's self was 32 bit? For example a classic game Oregon Trail 3rd Edition? It's installer was 16 bit but when you would start the game it would run in 32 bit.

[@JoshuaRichards2010]

I think that would work.

[@aveberrie]

Where can i get the win1 folder??

[@a_major8498]

Him: almost 2019 Me: day 2 of 2021

[@Ghy5y6Modz]

i owned a windows 98 when i was 1 year old ahh the nisoliga :)

[@RAVENAPEX99]

I get an error when trying to install the Redist. Looked in the log file and it wont let me install it because a newer version is installed. I don't have any of the 2015 redist. But I do have the 2017 redist. Should I uninstall them?

[@Apollo2001]

I got a question you could prolly answer. Does windows 1-3 have kernels ?

[@Galaxy.Windows]

that's not a great demo for what happends when we run an 16bit program on a 64bit System because if you see the 32bit version of the experiment you see that when you run a Windows 1.01 program it instantility showes the same Smart Screen error so how to belive

[@dogufo]

HI from Italy, my OS is WIN10 pro 64bit; sorry; ... I tried to run a 16 bit software compatible with WINXP SP3; ... following this video instructions may I install it? thanks;

[@nikiplam7006]

even on my windows 7 pc, it got destroyed, it was in a boot loop and it wouldn't boot. (I recommend to not run flight simulator 2002 on a 64 bit PC for one reason, my PC got destroyed I think I was just unlucky but still don't risk it)

[@TolerableDruid6]

I'm trying to run Calmira XP on Windows 7 with this setup, but it doesn't seem to want to work. In fact, no 16-bit programs want to run, they all throw up different errors. Any thoughts?

[@lepompier132]

It's a program like Wine for Linux system, but on Windows 10 x64 instead. Nice !

[@MajorBob89]

I tried it and worked, but my PC closed the installation @ 33%, do you now, what the problem could be?