Runners: Train by Distance (Mileage) instead of by Time?! Why a Running Coach prefers the miles!

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Vo2maxProductions

Vo2maxProductions

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@rescuedfriendsanimalsanctu8481
@rescuedfriendsanimalsanctu8481 7 сағат бұрын
Time has always been my go to
@msandiford93
@msandiford93 3 минут бұрын
Very interested in the fueling video, definitely food for thought!
@SiegeHamster
@SiegeHamster 4 сағат бұрын
Training by distance and pace makes it really easy for me to go way too fast on every run, especially in the age of strava where it doesn't feel good to post something "slow" Training just by time and HR and not even looking at paces lets me be far more honest with my efforts, and not feel bad if my paces are a bit slower on any given day, especially now that I'm trying for 10+ hours of running a week. It has made my running immensely more enjoyable, with my easy days starting in my lower Z2 range instead of constantly towing the upper end of Z2 to make my strava post look faster while "technically staying in Z2" i think the best solution is just to abandon strava...
@TBasianeyes
@TBasianeyes 3 сағат бұрын
i don't even look at HR or pace on easy or recovery runs, i just do the run to feel the africans have it figured out, you'll see them around town running as slow as possible to do as little work as possible in the set amount of time they have to run. and by slow i mean slooow, these 2:10 marathoners run like 9min/mile on their easy runs.
@kenleyojones
@kenleyojones 2 сағат бұрын
@@SiegeHamster Uninstall Strava, because at the end of the day, you're the one running. And abandon zone 2. It's a trend.
@Vo2maxProductions
@Vo2maxProductions Минут бұрын
well that sounds like a social media/Strava stress problem that is personal! Truth be told I basically don't look at my watch mile splits/pace or HR on my "Easy Day Runs"...during the run (I also know the Mile Mark locations on my routes). Back before GPS watches I did just run by time and we used to estimate the distance based on how fast we felt we were running! 🤣 An "Easy 49-min" run was "about 7-miles" because we felt like we ran 7:00 pace 🤣....but the point is we were keeping track of mileage and trying to run 7-miles!
@bricemenaugh4828
@bricemenaugh4828 5 сағат бұрын
Time on feet is always best... especially when starting out. Lydiard talked about this a lot.
@jcw5002
@jcw5002 2 сағат бұрын
Such a good video! Thank you 🙌🏼
@SM-wg7ty
@SM-wg7ty 8 сағат бұрын
Keep up the good videos 👌🏼
@Avianthro
@Avianthro 2 сағат бұрын
There's one other alternative, and arguably the best of all: Train by strain...physiological strain...the time integral of stress for each session. The beauty of this method is that it enables you to account for the critical factor of how much harder, nonlinearly, it is to run at higher power-speed. Just tracking time or distance doesn't do this. Train by strain, and for the zone of your event. At least 60% of your weekly strain budget should be at your event's expected zone (%FTP).
@Vo2maxProductions
@Vo2maxProductions Минут бұрын
"Train don't Strain" 🤣!
@jaymills1720
@jaymills1720 4 сағат бұрын
Couldn’t disagree more. If one runner takes 30 minutes for a set distance and another takes 60 the stress and recovery needs are very different. Time and intensity are way better.
@DrProfX
@DrProfX Сағат бұрын
@jaymills1720 Exactly, without, as you yourself mentioned, “distance” 30 mins or 60 mins or any time doesn’t mean much … Time over given distance communicates intensity …
@Burps___
@Burps___ 9 сағат бұрын
Dear Sage. You briefly mention power. Our Coros watches record power, and 2-3 years ago running power was all the rage in KZbin videos. Now, no one uses/discusses running power. Why? What happened to the “big new metric”? Thank you, Coach Sage.
@Vo2maxProductions
@Vo2maxProductions 6 сағат бұрын
Honestly (and yes I'm still sponsored by COROS) I've never been a big fan of "Running Power." I believe it is absolutely the Gold Standard in Cycling because of the Physics of how it can be measured on a bike.....but in running it's just too variable and not really possible to calculate at an instantaneous level. (it's not like a real Power Meter on a mechanical bike). If you search back on my channel I've done a few talks on this.
@Burps___
@Burps___ 4 сағат бұрын
@@Vo2maxProductions Okay, that makes sense, Coach. Thank you for the reply.
@ultrarnr4454
@ultrarnr4454 4 сағат бұрын
My coach, Olympian Mike Manley (1972) had me switch over to minutes back in 1984. I've been using minutes ever since. The only time I use distance is say when I want to run a 25+ mile training run and it's been awhile since I've done that distance so I have no idea on what my time would be.
@Lion_McLionhead
@Lion_McLionhead 6 сағат бұрын
Lions have been topping out at 20 miles in 3 hours. Getting comfortable in the marathon distance would require many 5 hour days which aren't possible, so the marathon distance has forever been a disaster.
@kenleyojones
@kenleyojones 5 сағат бұрын
Time vs distance depends on the runner. But if youre training for a particular distance, i think distance should be a main factor in training for specificity. Its a marathon, not a 2-8 hour see how far you can go run. Youre done at 26.2 miles! For aerobic base building, not even thinking about a race distance, then time can be a factor. But it in end, to each their own. Happy running!
@MyFatAdaptedLife
@MyFatAdaptedLife 9 сағат бұрын
...for the same reason you don't want to train by heart rate because that's highly variable depending on factors such as environmental and personal wellness.
@Vo2maxProductions
@Vo2maxProductions 6 сағат бұрын
I'd actually say that's a totally different subject. (I like accurate heart rate data and think it can be very valuable actually). It's more variable between individuals for sure though (i.e. the "Formula of [220-age] as a Max HR" doesn't work for a lot of people.
@MyFatAdaptedLife
@MyFatAdaptedLife 6 сағат бұрын
@Vo2maxProductions Thx Coach
@mikevaldez7684
@mikevaldez7684 2 сағат бұрын
​@Vo2maxProductions But for beginners or intermediates and over 60 runners who didn't run in their youth, except a little in high school cross country ( like me😅), I'd say time is a much better metric, especially if you're not into racing but running for health👍😢
@jbsnyder1736
@jbsnyder1736 7 сағат бұрын
Tomayto , Tomahtoh! Six of one, half dozen of another!
@dominikschrott7412
@dominikschrott7412 8 сағат бұрын
I am a real defender of running amounts of time in purposed intensity zone. Because the body doesn't know neother miles nor kilometers, it only knows to deal with the excertion and what energy system it hss to use for bearing up with the effort. And this In base building phase for LIT runs and vo2max workbouts. Always by time. Later on in the ultimate race prep phase you may do intervals or tempo runs by distance.
@therapygrind
@therapygrind 7 сағат бұрын
Amby Burfoot emphasizes the importance of "feel" in running and tuning your body to gauge pace and distance. Christopher McDougall in "Born to Run," describes how the Tarahumara tribe manifests a deep connection between mind, body, and environment that allows them to navigate distance. There are renowned figures in running that support the notion of developing an "internal odometer" is achievable with training.
@Vo2maxProductions
@Vo2maxProductions 6 сағат бұрын
@@therapygrind Yes, appreciate both your comments. For sure i am not dismissing the RPE and being able to read your body signals (i.e. "feel the flow" and "feel the thresholds"). Amby Burfoot trained very high mileage though (I've actually met and talked to him in person!). The Tarahumara run as part of their culture and history for survival (and more trail/mountain running at high altitude). But see what i said about "just going by Time" if you were cross training. Sure, you could spin on a bike for 60-min at a HR of 150.......or you could run for 60-min at that same HR. The heart and lungs won't know the difference! Great LT training and aerobic adaptations. However, when you get out on that marathon course and your leg muscles need to pound the pavement for 26.2 miles they will tell you the difference! In running on flats if you are "just increasing your time spend at threshold "then you are also just simply running longer and longer distances too! Btw a lot of our Uptempo or Tempo Run workouts are purely based on Time (i.e. "20-min Tempo Run" or 35-40min "Uptempo Run"). The point of the talk was show casing the importance of the WORK in terms of body Displacement.
@mikevaldez7684
@mikevaldez7684 2 сағат бұрын
​​​@@Vo2maxProductionsok, I see in this talk you're saying you need mileage to run a marathon, sure. But I think a person over 60 will have a hard time recovering from such high mileages( I know I do😊)and you just don't need it for maximum heart health/longevity. These are two vastly different goals, just fitness vs racing marathons. Mine is just good overall fitness, and running 3-5 xs weekly for from 45 minutes to 90 minutes is excellent to achieve that goal 8:21 😢
@mitchellthornton6393
@mitchellthornton6393 Сағат бұрын
The body doesn’t have an inbuilt timer either. It has no idea when you’re going to stop that interval etc.
@the.trollgubbe2642
@the.trollgubbe2642 6 сағат бұрын
Beginners might benefit more with time based
@lilyw.1788
@lilyw.1788 6 сағат бұрын
Question: A local sports doctor who is well versed in the world of road running made a bold statement that road running is remarkably harder than trail running and beats up your body a lot more . What is your take on that? Esp when you are both a very fast road runner and trail runner. If you’re training for your full potential performance for road vs trail , which will be harder on your body ?
@ultrarnr4454
@ultrarnr4454 4 сағат бұрын
I've been running for 49 years. I personally switched over to all trail running after back surgery in 2007 because the roads beat me up more. I can run a lot more on trails then I can on the roads and feel less beat up.
@emillsommer-kt4mb
@emillsommer-kt4mb 6 сағат бұрын
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