Running Myths Explained: Running Is Bad For Your Knees

[@petraalma29]

Re Strava: set all you activities to ‘only you’ as default so people don’t get to see the unedited versions (eg ‘morning run’). When you edit it to add the title etc. you can then change the audience.

[@RossNixon]

Great hint. Thanks! ❤

[@NoelSlevin]

It would be really good if Andy would do a video demonstrating the knee exercises he described that people should do in front of a mirror.

[@ORnurse0205]

But in all of this, the KEY take away coming from an Orthopedic Surgical Nurse's perspective, total joint replacements are 99% from patients having a history of a sedentary lifestyle and/or obesity, NOT FROM RUNNING!! 🏃‍♀️ So get out there and at least get off the couch and move!!! ❤

[@Ohtaror]

Or do they have a sedentary lifestyle because of bad hips?

[@ORnurse0205]

@@sarh23 In the US, osteoarthritis is increased by obesity for sure. I more or less, am referring to an older population. And there are other factors such as, previous injury to the joint (i.e. sports, trauma), age and even genetics. I don't judge, only statistically speaking that in those patients we have taken care of who needed total knee replacements, had not been active for years and did not have a history of high impact sports. Most cases, the patients BMI is too high when first seen in the clinic by the Doctor. The BMI has to be below 39, and some require less than that, in order for surgeons to even consider doing surgery because there are too many risks post-operatively and not having successful outcomes in Physical Therapy. Yes, I myself am an athlete and would have needed a total knee replacement in my early 40's if I did not have a lateral retinacular release arthroscopy done on my knee in my early 30's, I would have needed a total knee replacement or partial replacement in my early 40's, but....I had to stay proactive and stay on top of instabilities in and around my knee with extensive PT. Part of that was not working on my TFL, glute medius, hips and my genetics. But I worked hard and now 15 years after surgery, my knee has zero issues. It is all a case by case basis. Total joint replacements for hips and knees have many different factors in younger vs older adults. But with that said, obesity will accelerate the processs, especially osteoarthritis. There are numerous articles that one can find statistically speaking, on younger adult causitive factors vs older adults (geriactric) in regards to any total joint replacement. Again, no judging because we all come from different backgrounds, have different cultures, have different pain tolerances, but we also can be accountable for oursleves and be our own advocate, being proactive and staying informed.

[@gambino883]

@@ORnurse0205 I did competitive basketball from the age of 6 till 18 and then I stopped completely not doing anything for 17 years now (age 35). I'd like to start running, however I'm afraid to get an injury because of being inactive for so long. The only exercise I do is walking/cycling short distances and then once a year go snowboarding. My BMI is 24. Any advice? Please and Thank you.

[@SupersonicWaveLength]

@@gambino883 My own two cents: just try things. You're 35, not 55. Your body's recovery is still amazing. And most of all, the atrophy over 17 years, plus your low BMI, means you're probably too weak to injure yourself. So just go for a run, make sure you lift weights, and I'd also recommend playing a bit of basketball. You could even just do full court layups in lieu of running - just do them until you feel like you can't breathe any more, then take a 10 minute rest, then rinse and repeat.

[@vtohobbit]

I’m generally on board with saying sock shoe sock shoe is a silly way to use it on shoes but I did it the other day and realized there is a context where it’s less odd. I was changing from sandals to shoes in my car so I was keeping my foot on the ground for stability and doing one foot at a time. Which reminds me, if I’m changing in a bathroom, i want as little contact between my foot and the floor so I do sock shoe sock shoe for good reason. I’m disturbed that you all have invaded my thoughts so thoroughly. All the best

[@bobkeane7966]

My nephew tore a hole in his miniscus playing football and they removed the torn piece and regrew it in a lab and then sewed it back in no more pain `modern medicine is amazing.

[@28mouse85]

“Modern medicine” and “surgery” are 2 different things 😂😂

[@emmarunyeard6832]

Totally unrelated but WOW Courtney dewaulter just smashed her own Hardrock 100 record... What an inspiring and awesome human 🎉❤

[@runningchannel]

Amazing wasn’t it!!!

[@emmarunyeard6832]

@@runningchannel what a woman.

[@livewire1957239]

Please get her on TRC Meets! She is so amazing.

[@nicknoble9819]

Had ITB years ago and piriformis syndrome and found strength and conditioning the way to avoid issues with legs 🏃‍♂️🏃‍♂️ 57 years old been running 7 years

[@runningchannel]

Injuries can be so disheartening, but it sounds like you’ve got some great ways of keeping on top of them Nick! 💪

[@nicknoble9819]

@runningchannel went to a sports physio and they gave me the exercises to address the issue

[@michaelmulligan0]

I’ve knee osteoarthritis and find the best medicine is running If I stop I put on weight that then has to go through my knees, I think I also read something before that running improves the blood flow which is good for knees too

[@nikicampos]

Sarah singing The Last Man on Earth at the end 😍😍😍, so in tune without even hearing the song, lovely.

[@drewman747]

Some people have pain in their right knee, and some will have pain in their left knee, but the worst is pain in your hi knee. 😂😂😂

[@runningchannel]

😂😂😂

[@Alyqzs]

maybe not a Myth but a question worth exploring. whats the cause of a side-stitch when running. (form? breathing? tempo? talking? ...). and what are good ways of dealing with it?

[@AckerQ.]

I don’t get it when I do a short upper body warmup before going for a run.

[@wertsaalsweot5605]

Correction about Canada: the three "provinces" you listed (Nunavut, Yukon, NWT) are actually the territories. The other 10 are the provinces (incl. BC, Alberta, and New Brunswick) :)

[@fearingmusic]

i'm usually an audio-only listener but i came here to see if anyone had said that yet 😭

[@AGDaws]

One additional point for the knee science bit - there was a recent study (cited by Frederik Zillen on his KZbin channel a couple of months ago) that found heavier runners put less force through their knees than lighter runners because their mechanics are different and they generally aren’t running as fast. So lowering BMI is not likely to decrease the stress on your knees as Rick suggested - in fact it’s the opposite. You are more likely to go harder as you get lighter, and put more force through your knee joints.

[@SupersonicWaveLength]

That's adding a lurking variable. Faster runners put more strain on the knees than slower runners - there's no question about that. But given the same speed, the heavier runner definitely puts more strain than the lighter runner. Their mechanics can't be any different, as the optimal force vector is going vertically from your femur to your tib/fib. If they are different, that's even worse as it is creating shear forces. In essence, losing weight is extremely helpful for reducing knee pain. You should increase speed later, when you're more comfortable with increased workload.

[@stephensimmons8657]

Great video as always , favourite quote to help with pacing.. The person who enjoys walking will go further than the person who enjoys the destination 👍

[@CaptainBrash]

I really wish rather than automatically pushing it to Strava straight away it would bring up the edit screen for the workout when you open Strava.

[@dresden_slowjog]

Set the defaults for audience to "private". Then you can edit the map, add text and pics all day long, and only once you're finished you "publish" it by setting the "can be seen by" from "me" to "my subscribers" or "the world"

[@CaptainBrash]

@@dresden_slowjog ah nice, didn't think of that. :)

[@JuhaYlitalo]

Regarding the Strava discussion around 10-11 minutes. My Strava activities are always marked private, when Garmin pushes them to Strava. This gives me time to add medias, put description, etc. before I make them public.

[@andrewmcalister3462]

I do the same thing.

[@juliahallam2404]

Woo Hoo! Finally managed to vote for you guys adding the word podcast. Good luck 😃

[@emmarunyeard6832]

I have been debuting thoughts this week... Mixed bag of results 😂

[@runningchannel]

😂😂

[@alexmacadam3170]

Hi Alex from New Brunswick, we have black bears but you never see them. Also if Rick wants to run a park run we have one in Fredericton. The bill thorpe walking bridge parkrun fredericton. If he is going to the capital region.

[@brakkybru]

“And my pulse ox is ‘cheetah.’” 😂😂 Love Rick!

[@SteveSalisbury]

28:19 Love how Rick says "Yup" with a genius prolonged edited pause shot on him as if to say, "'Yup', really Rick. You know what Andy's going on about? Hm, Ok, back to Andy"

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

Rick New Brunswick has a ton of bears. Not Grizzly bears but black bears

[@tanyapitre731]

Those black bears are more scare of you. Just make a bunch of noise. My coworker has a "go away nice bear" song. 😂

[@kalmenbarkin5708]

@@tanyapitre731 they might be scared of you but would they be scared of Rick?

[@MellowsFitLife]

Did my first parkrun today. Arrived 45 mins early. After 30 mins of asking people where the starting line was located. I gave up and just started running in the park. Finally at 8:05 I ran into a large group of people running. I accidentally ran close by the starting line. 🤦🏾‍♂️ Ran to the starting line not sure what time I started. Finished the run and got a time of 36:38

[@runningchannel]

At least you know now! 😂

[@MellowsFitLife]

Yes. It has inspired me to actually make my first KZbin video. So other first timers won’t make the same mistake. lol

[@emmarunyeard6832]

Love this parkrun tale 😂🎉

[@mjowsey]

@@MellowsFitLife If you go to the website of the parkrun there's the course marked out on google maps

[@alanshrimpton6787]

To the guy with Rebels and wants a trail shoe water proof. Try Mizuno GTX which is a road to trail Gortex.

[@Leeroy49]

Interesting to listen to because Monaco Diamond League just wrapped up as well. I use my easy runs for having a look around what changed in my area, construction sites etc.

[@paultranter3285]

I ran an ultra yesterday. Today my knees are crying and im sure i heard them call me a bast**d. It certainly feels as though running is bad for your knees 😂

[@Stevenc1984]

Was the terrible intro really kneeded?

[@runningchannel]

😂😂😂

[@99RML]

Yes, in future the pun section of this podcast needs to be capped

[@christaylor4758]

No, but we're here for the banter!

[@deec6535]

Yes. It was absolutely necessary. 10/10. 😂

[@runwithfester]

Loving the video and like the topic.

[@christinaclementson]

I thought Andy would mention Jess Hull’s incredible 5 second PB in that same 1500m race! Kipyegon couldn’t believe Jess was still behind her in that last 400. Amazing! Oh and best outro ever 🤣🤣 Sarah’s version is better than the original 😂😂

[@jlycklama512]

Love the ending

[@nathanwarren5616]

Are you giving this information on a kneed to know basis?

[@tanyapitre731]

Welcome (in advance) to New Brunswick Rick! Hello from Fredericton.

[@Boost00130]

If you read this Rick, when you are in New Brunswick, if you are anywhere near Moncton, it would be great if you come along to our club run one evening. I am sure we can supply some ice cream and wine afterwards (if is still summer).

[@QuentinVien]

I discovered yesterday that Strava WILL PAUSE your run for you if you stop moving! (Only if you didnt pause it yourself with your watch) So actually when you dont pause your run... you still pause your run. Ironically the only way to not pause your run is to pause it a tiny amount which disables the starva's feature to calculate moving times. Or set your run to Race, then theres only elapse time. Im not gonna lie, this discovery caused a lot of chatter on our running group chat!

[@RocklandsFarmCT]

Just watched the Tour de France and the commentator described the stage winner as warming down.

[@paulharvey4403]

Some people have regrown their cartilage, which involves a radical diet change, removing all carbohydrates and using an eating window. A few people on KZbin are talking about it and using the process to avoid replacement joints.

I’ve heard exactly the opposite, that some people have prevented or reverted cartilage degeneration with a healthy diet practically devoid of atherogenic and pro-inflammatory foods such as meat, eggs, dairy, fried food, alcohol, and ultra-processed foods loaded with sugar, salt and saturated fat (in addition to regular physical exercise).

[@emmarunyeard6832]

I think that working in zone 2 gives ' smug points' without tearing the rrrrrs out of it x

[@JohnBirtchetSharpe]

Really good show today peeps , getting better and better , I normally listen to the podcast , but I do not know how to comment on them... before laughing .. I had hit puberty before Andy was even born (so thats my excuse 🤪👴)

[@pascalejacquelinepetit5131]

Knee pains can also indicate that your running shoes are worn and no longer provide the cushioning. And yes, regarding shoes, TRC, please consider an episode on waterproof running shoes (not trail shoes). The stains are almost impossible to remove on lighter shoes (not all can afford multiple sets of running shoes). PS: Sydney has had a lot of rain of late, that some parkrun events were even cancelled! Or maybe, have an episode on how to clean running shoes.

Your legs don’t need any extra cushioning.

[@ScottLee64]

I'm in southeast New Brunswick. There are bears, but you're unlikely to encounter one. People in my area often post (in a local FB group) the damage they cause to their garbage bins in the Spring, but that's about it. I've never worried about or even seen one on a run. On the topic of knees, I hurt my left knee as a kid and it was unstable for well over a decade. It would occasionally go out on me if I pivoted wrong, leaving me sore for days or weeks. Since I started running regularly 8 years ago it's given me no issues. 👍

[@pierre-yvesdantec3802]

Hello . I've got "tendonipathie calcifiante" that means my body isproducing too much cartilage around the bones ( small bits of razorblades around the tendons). All doctors and physios told me the samething : do run, doi weightlift, do pilates, do yoga ... To strenghten muscles bones and tendons so that eveything fits and keep strong and in place. And that woirks.😊😮

[@KoMaruyama]

😂 for all the ribbing you give Rick, Sarah knows the lyrics and melody of Last Man on Earth. 😊 I think we need a drop box for videos of viewers singing it as well.

[@CaptainBrash]

Waterproof running shoes are a horrible idea. I much prefer fast draining shoes with merino socks.

[@Estertje93]

Yes 100%, wool socks, get your feet wet the first 10 minutes, wait till your feet get warm again, and then you're golden

[@normEA]

Just wanted to let you know I love the podcast I watch it on KZbin. Your information is awesome . I missed the email to send questions or comments can I please, have it? Keep up the great work

[@damongreen6433]

Fun and informative episode, thank you :) fun fact: osteotomy is not specific to the knee

[@runningchannel]

Oooo thank you for the fact!

[@seatownfan]

I was told this by a doctor, and this was not that long ago and the doctor was young too.

[@fulaabalaaba]

Voted for you!

[@runningchannel]

Thank you!

[@timothybell7837]

I am an extreme front foot striker and I don’t feel negative effects on any joints from running.

[@RatelHBadger]

I played field hockey for 25 years. I can whole heartedly say that steady state road running is much kinder on the knees than fitness and game-time on astroturf. 25 years of shuttles, sprints, fartleks and other "conditioning" activities. I'll take 20k on flat roads any day.

[@IKramerz]

Where can I find that song at the end? Knee-ding to know 38:45

[@FaughtyEmit]

Question: How is it that Rick's fringe seems to blow in the breeze of his own talking?! I can't figure out how his breath goes upwards when he talks.

[@runningchannel]

There was a fan on 😂😂

[@FaughtyEmit]

@@runningchannel haha, I did hear that mentioned later!

[@christaylor4758]

😅When are the banter tees available

[@djclass005]

Nike Pegasus trail goretex are widely viewed as very good allround waterproof shoes! Runs almost like the road version!

[@MulamuleliTshitangano]

@Carl Wales new balance does offer a waterproof version of the rebel. Its called the NB Rebel permafrost.

[@W1ldt1m]

People think running hurts the knees because they go from sedentary to running and DISCOVER the weakness or injury caused by being sedentary.

[@torandi]

Regarding strava: I've actually set my strava to default to private, and then update it with a title and pictures, and then set to everyone.

[@emmarunyeard6832]

Waterproof socks are great x

[@jereldonovan834]

Is Rick running in New Brunswick? Would love to cheer him on

[@katesmiles4208]

What is with the camera editing 🤣🤣 all the short duration switching between the hosts made my head spin.

[@kevinhassell4959]

Brooks makes a gore tex version of the ghost

[@cassandracramer2113]

Hoka makes a goretex clifton. Just be aware with goretex if water gets in over the top of your shoe it has nowhere to drain.

[@kellyrodgers9326]

I’m 20 seconds in…👍 Fastest thumbs up I’ve ever given!

[@michaelmulligan0]

Wonder would a waterproofing spray help?

[@chrisshaw2810]

If you have wangled your way into Marathon Pour Tous 'because you know someone' I will be so cross - I joined the lottery early, did all of the available challenges, and whilst I didn't get in, it seemed to be a fair process (although I am sure an individual's chances were better if they were French!) I think the concept of MPT is really good.

[@EggsForDessert]

Can you give some tips on heel pain like plantar fasciitis. I can barely walk after keeping off my right foot for any length of time and after a few days rest it gets better but going for a run brings it right back to its worst again.

[@kathrynflannery2889]

Just wondering, would you guys include a middle-aged (or older) runner on your channel? They could talk about how running has been for them, their knees etc... I'm a middle-aged mum (53) and can run a 5K park run in only 40 min. It's great seeing all the young, fit folk on the channel but any older runners to inspire is? (Aside from Andy😉😉)

[@brianjohnson758]

hey question i'm at 109KG (lost 25kg in the last 4 Months) startet Running with walk and run atm 6x1:20sec and 1x3min and my knee's are doing good and doing strenght training 3 times a week 2 time more 1 a bit less you think my knees are fine for jooging? and what i can improve? and yeah still lossing weight :) and i have good runnershoues if interessted i can send my last run

[@high-captain-BaLrog]

When you explain something or direct people somewhere put an overlay on the screen guys

[@livewire1957239]

I think they do minimal video editing because it’s really a podcast.

[@WilliamHickman-i4z]

If lots of running caused cartilage breakdown, surely marathon runners would be suffering with arthritis within a few years of training? Personally I think sports such as football, tennis etc. where you are running, stopping, twisting, turning, have more impact on your joints than the smooth, consistent motion of running

[@DJ_Has_Thoughts]

The puns this episode have been....chief's kiss 😚👌🏿 lol

[@SageOfEchoes]

In California, there are too many bears and mountain lions for me to run solo in the mountains without a firearm.

[@GoldenHoudini]

Second podcast asking to extend it to an hour ❤

[@gazza2933]

I'm 70 and have bad knees anyway. Particularly the left one. Slap a sporty knee support on it and go for it! Thanks guys. 🏃‍♂️ 🚑 👍

[@runningchannel]

We hope it doesn’t cause you too much of a problem running!!

[@RossNixon]

I tried that, without success. Switching to low or zero-drop shoes reduced the strain on my knees and increased my calf strain. Caused some DOMS, but manageable.

[@roryallden70]

come on Englanddd! (on an unrelated note my knees are toast)

[@bobkeane7966]

I encountered a coyote one time towards the end of a run, good motivation to finish strong

[@CatsAreTheBestPeople-mm1fo]

🤣 PB?

[@bobkeane7966]

@@CatsAreTheBestPeople-mm1fo No but close :)

[@CatsAreTheBestPeople-mm1fo]

@@bobkeane7966 Maybe if there'd been two coyotes...

[@pikawarp2792]

I hurt my knee lifting in the gym 3 days before today’s 5k, and i can say the race today didn’t help.

[@coldplayer9403]

Love all the puns in this episode and of course the science 😎

[@MrStinkyboy81]

What's the best way to start running when very overweight?

[@jamesmartin1573]

On a scale (gettit, scale, snakes… no?) of one to ten, this week was a three gusting four 😁

[@WhatMatterstoMatt]

RICK IS GOING TO BE IN NEW BRUNSWICK!!!!! Where and when? I’m a small running KZbinr and would love to go for a quick run. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@abqp7158]

Please, please, please don't see your GP about your knee pain. A physio (preferably sports based) has the best expertise to diagnose and advise you. If they think you have osteoarthritis or inflammation they will signpost you to your doctor. Speaking as a GP who did her first marathon with anterior knee pain and was cured by an excellent physio. To be clear, a good physio is a god. Stick with them.

[@poincareconjecture5651]

Brookes are the best shoes

[@RatelHBadger]

23:00 the answer... Lots and lots of deep lunges and pistol or split squats.

[@glennnicholls8510]

Go for gortex socks and then all your shoes have that water protection

[@TheSlipperyNoodle]

I am from Nova Scotia. I can assure Rick there are black bears in NB. If being chased … do not round down ;)

[@ulfeliasson5413]

Running and hip problems next week??? Please. :-)

[@runningchannel]

We can look into it!

[@emilym1854]

I would like to see exercises to strengthen the knee

[@dinochickeynuggiez]

Anyone come for the useless banter and get pleasantly surprised by all this science? 😂

[@kathrynhilder9609]

😂😂

[@andywyrobek902]

Currently injured with runners knee at the minute. Its been 3 long weeks so far. Walking is fine but any change in form to run and the inside of my right knee is a big issue. Looking at more strength work now as this flares up about every 3 months

[@runningchannel]

Sorry to hear that Andy! We really hope you mend soon! It sounds like you’re doing everything right with conditioning 💪

[@runningchannel]

Sorry to hear that Andy! We really hope you mend soon! It sounds like you’re doing everything right with conditioning 💪

[@runningchannel]

Sorry to hear that Andy! We really hope you mend soon! It sounds like you’re doing everything right with conditioning 💪

[@michaelmulligan0]

Depends if the 🐻 is behind or in front of you

[@AndrewBush_XK]

I am disappointed, I watched for the banter but all I got was some science 😂.

[@runningchannel]

So sorry we will do better next time!

[@AndrewBush_XK]

@@runningchannel I’m not looking for a knee jerk reaction 🤦‍♂️. Sorry I couldn’t resist.

[@MrWiggenhammer]

On easy runs, look back and see if your heart rate is lower.

[@StudentOfEleos]

Surely - This is the Runn Knee-ng Channel podcast...?

[@nicholasphillips6938]

Why does Sarah look confused in nearly every thumbnail for the podcast? 😅

[@ianstenson7045]

I wouldn't pause my watch if there was a grizzly bear on the course as it would probably be the fastest I have ever run 😎

[@runningchannel]

Hahaha good point!

[@jlycklama512]

Don’t go for splashproof shoes as the water will get in from yr legs but van’t get out so you are sloshing around with fully wet feet😅

[@laneystrange]

Rick -- the BMI is trash. Not to mention, plenty of people run without losing weight. I always trust you guys to be inclusive of all runners, including us fat ones. Please reconsider how you talk about this.

The elephant in the room: traumatic knee injuries.

[@paradox_3000]

I don't think Andy's bear pun got the respect and aknoledgrlement it deserved. How about a presenter challenge where they see how far they can go in Olympic qualifying times.

[@Thegreat772]

I was actually surprised there's no trail running in the Olympics 😢

To compensate for that, they have now break dance as olympic sport.