Running out of Fuel Over the Sea (Tuninter Flight 1153) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

Not Enough Fuel, Ditched in the Water (Tuninter Flight 1153) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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As a passenger you don’t expect your plane to run out of fuel midflight. It sounds like a horrifying scenario, especially when that plane is out over water just out of reach of an airport. That was the reality for the passengers and crew on board Tuninter Flight 1153. The answer as to why this modern passenger plane ran out of fuel lays in a rather unbelievable set of circumstances. That is what we’ll explore today. Lets look at the plane, how it was maintained and how that relates to the accident flight.
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[@GarlicOasis]

The pilots getting sentenced to jail seems very odd to me. Seems like they were eager to blame the foreign pilots.

[@GarlicOasis]

@@andre-7423 I did some research and it seems like the pilot didn't pray but simply recited a Shahada once, something that would not have caused a distraction. It seems like the italian court heard "Allah" once in the recording and inferred that the pilot stopped to pray. This reinforces my initial suspicions of bias/zenophobia. Even the Italian association of pilots protested the sentencing.

[@Supatsu]

@@andre-7423 " the pilots were busy with muslim prayers for the most time" this is blatantly untrue and founded in xenophobia, just like they said. It is the equivalent to you saying "oh my god" when something bad happens- it takes no thought or "distraction" at all.

[@aerosw1ft]

@@andre-7423 found a xenophobe!

[@jakub_paints6775]

@@andre-7423 seems like information that should have been divulged in the video. Regardless of if it was a single prayer or a 100, it was not a priority and more important steps were not taken.

[@scoobydo446]

Some one said they took off with out the fuel receipt so that’s a reason there to send to jail

[@clarsach29]

Prison sentences for the pilots who followed their checklists and SOPs to the letter with no knowledge that the wrong fuel indicator had been fitted??? that's VERY harsh indeed. I hope Tunisia refused to extradite them to serve their sentences. After the Knox/Kercher case we all know what a JOKE Italian justice is.

[@Kyanzes]

I'm not expert, and at face value you are right, but if you recall, documentation was not present/filled. I have a feeling that had they done the documentation, discepancy in the fuel quantity would have been catched. You have to do calculations and whatnot on paper, fill forms etc. It seems some of these were missing. In other words (I'm assuming here): they might have relied on the automation and skipped the laborful administration. No way they would have been charged if the sole problem had been the wrong gauge being installed. Even the feathering can be explained IF they indeed tried to restart the engines and that's why they did not do it.

[@toddclean547]

Typical Muslims

[@OwlRTA]

I remember a quote from an expert in aviation accidents, where he said "I'm sorry Italy, but it's not a good place to crash a plane." This was in reference to Itavia Flight 870, where, despite a reinvestigation showing that a bomb brought it down, the Italians insist that it was a missile strike edit: the quote was actually more damning. "I'm sorry, but Italy is a dreadful place to have an aviation accident."

[@thesep1967]

Since the Rodney King and OJ Simpson cases we all know what a JOKE the US 'justice' system is. And when push comes to shove Trump can always pardon his partners in crime.

[@toddclean547]

@@thesep1967 As Winston Churchill said: the U.S. system of justice is bad but it is the best in the world. So many of you foreigners are so ignorant.

[@TCPUDPATM]

Sending the pilots to jail over this is absolutely ridiculous…

[@prismpyre7653]

It was madness of the pilots to trust Italian engineers. Italy leads Europe for incompetence AND corruption.

[@EngineerK]

The sentencing seems harsh. Italy sentenced some seismologists to prison when they failed to predict an earthquake. The weatherman will be next...

[@232K7]

Pretty soon nobody will be doing anything in Italy 🇮🇹 Unless of course, there's jail for doing that, too.

[@pyramidhead2874]

They reduced their sentences when they realized the italian atc couldn't even speak English lol

[@cail171]

Wait.....this is happening, now???????? Where? Goodness I know other countries r more way MORE corrupt than our but dam

[@atcordice]

can't blame the pilots for this. maintenance engineer yes. and who above him that allow it. and with the stress of the job for the pilots they should not be charged

[@mcmoose64]

The pilots did not follow procedure in taking off without confirming the fuel load . This act of negligence cost the lives of over a dozen people who were relying on them to do their job . It may seem harsh but I bet Italian pilots are much more diligent with their paperwork as a result .

[@mauricedavis2160]

Excellent observations!!!🙏😢🛬

[@patriciamariemitchel]

@@mcmoose64, the man told the pilot he would get the fuel document to him when he got back. The pilot's fault was believing it, and he was deceived.

[@gs98999]

Pilots are certainly to blame. They had to refuse takeoff in Tunisia when they couldn’t find the fuel load sheet. That’s a clue that plane wasn’t fuelled overnight.

[@mauricedavis2160]

@@gs98999 Good point!!!🙏😢🛬

[@richardscottmills]

Unless there is some detail missing, the pilots should have been blameless. The fault lies with the mechanic, the procedures that allowed the wrong part to be installed, and the procedures and personnel that allowed the plane to depart without proper refueling documents.

[@gs98999]

Pilots are the ones responsible for allowing the takeoff without fueling documents. This is why they are criminally responsible.

[@josephfutrell5619]

Plus the criminal case took place in the Italian courts. Seismologists can be responsible for earthquakes, researchers for pandemics, etc. If a prosecutor thinks he can make a name for themselves, he is liable to try and put someone in jail whether worthy or not.

[@GarlicOasis]

@@gs98999 that's not what they were charged with though.

[@kyleg9735]

The pilots were convicted for not having fully followed procedure by feathering the propellers which would have prevented drag on the plane which in addition to the tailwind that day may have been able to get them to land in Corsica.

[@GarlicOasis]

@@kyleg9735 ​ but they didn't know they were out of fuel. Feathering the propellers isn't part of the procedure of restarting the engines.

[@davewave1982]

Why the hell did the pilots get jail time for something that wasn’t their fault? Yes feathering is turboprop 101 but again hindsight is 20/20 and you get less time for actual first degree murder in some countries. Does the report anywhere state why they got such a large jail sentence or a sentence at all.

[@00muinamir]

Some countries are notorious for bringing the hammer down on anyone left standing when something bad happens, and Italy is definitely one of them.

[@LieseFury]

birthplace of fascism.

[@Nick-Emery]

As someone who works as a maintenance technician, knowing some of the attitudes/lack of brains of the people I have worked with… I’m terrified of flying!

[@Anders127]

They have excellent manuals though guiding them through the steps of what to do for various tasks.

[@Black-Sun_Kaiser]

That's always my point about flying. These are just people at work.. have you always been 100%at work? Of course not. So you're trusting your life into someone's work ethic. No thanks.

[@HighTreshold]

@@Black-Sun_Kaiser The thing is we take greater risk for our lives everyday. You are more likely to die crashing your car on the way to strip club than dying in a plane crash. So if you want to go to any place where taking a plane makes sense, not doing it just because of the slim chance you may die doesn't add up.

[@Nick-Emery]

@@Anders127 so does flat pack furniture 🪑

[@Black-Sun_Kaiser]

@@HighTreshold i know all that. I don't trust any of those things either. 😂 I take risks , I'm aware. I don't like those either but some are unavoidable.

[@petergrunendahl2074]

The mechanic had to go to jail? Yes. The pilots, too? Why? Because the believed the fuel gauge?

[@KyurekiHana]

Because they decided to ditch the plane in open ocean, rather than attempting to make it to the airport. Even if they wouldn't have made it, the closer they are, the faster rescue would be.

[@gentuxable]

It's italy, they're known for that f'd up justice system.

[@glassofmilk101]

any competent pilot would have climbed into the fuel system himself to see if there was fuel /s edit: /s means sarcasm lol

[@ThePilotWhoCantFly]

@@KyurekiHana and could have potentially landed on civilization and on rough terrain causing more fatalities. That's quite unfair for the pilots don't you think

[@gentuxable]

@@glassofmilk101 I don't object that they made mistakes but I don't think they learned a lesson by inprisonment like some guy breaking into a jewelery... just my 2 cents.

[@ejthedhampir507]

The poor pilots survive a plane crash and are then sentenced to prison for doing their best. I hope that they're doing okay now.

[@Tran3x72]

hopefully

[@ZenkaiAnkoku2]

Same! They did not know about the fuel because the gauges said it was fine. Their company/dispatch assured them it was okay to fly without the documents. And as to why they did not feather the propellers, I believe that they probably were trying to restart the engines. They had just done the math and they did not believe they could get to an airport. So to save the plane, they needed at least one engine to restart. They did everything they could to save the passengers. They were simply scapegoats in this situation.

[@Lownamebrand]

I just watched the mayday episode about this, I enjoyed your video more, it had the same amount of information without the dramatisation to pad out the length. Great work!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@neojso]

That was absurd for putting the pilots in jail for 10 years. It was an corrupted airliner, governing institution and government.

[@whatskevupto2964]

How can you blame the pilots for this, poor guy didn't even know they were out of fuel

[@Fra42below]

well, let's say they were not properly "unaware" of the bad job done by maintenance.

[@XemawthEvo2]

Part of why the pilots were charged is actually down to Italian politics, as opposed to "direct fault" per se. The Italian legal system has a very public role in their culture to the point where most non-Italians would consider the average high publicity trial "show trials". In essence the Italian court has a pension for publicly leveling harsh convictions, and then quietly later reducing charges to more reasonable punishments. Drama is a Latin word after all

[@henryptung]

@@XemawthEvo2 Sadly, the Costa Concordia shows how this is a self-fulfilling prophecy - if captains are going to be sentenced to years in prison regardless of their actions, some are going to be more worried about fleeing the scene than saving lives, causing more deaths rather than less. Apparently Italy's even willing to sentence scientists to years in prison for failing to predict earthquakes. It's a clown show.

[@Fra42below]

@@XemawthEvo2 that is a huge shitload of bullshit ad you probably know it.

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

@@XemawthEvo2 No punishment was reasonable for the pilots though... mechanic and management, yes they were negligent. The pilots just dealt with the shit sandwhich they were served and followed the assumed correct protocols

[@manyshnooks]

Wow, criminal charges for the pilots is not conducive to safety. People will omit and lie if there's a risk of losing their liberty. Also - shouldn't the tanks be dipped for the first flight of the day and this compared with the displayed fuel quantity? If this is a mandatory part of our operations in light twins, surely a similar operational requirement exists for ATP category airplanes?

[@conradanderson3928]

The correct procedure would be to notify the operations manager that the fuel slip was missing as well as using the dripless sticks to verify fuel load. Of course, this wasn't done.

[@manyshnooks]

@@conradanderson3928 yeah this just doesn't make sense to me. I've never trusted a fuel indicator on an aircraft. It was always part of the exterior preflight - verify fuel levels are adequate ✅ and then after startup, verify fuel qty agreement ✅ This sure was one of those accidents where Dr Reason's swiss cheese holes lined up right. Had the faulty channel CB been left pulled, they would have noticed the insufficient quantity and even if they thought it was erroneous it would surely have provoked them to go outside and verify the quantity.

[@davidhynd4435]

This is a design fault. It should not have been possible to instal the FQI from a different model aircraft. The FQI for this model should be the only FQI which can physically be instaled. It would only require the mounting hole and instrument to be a specific shape or the connectors to be specific to this instrument. Safety is about removing the possibility for error. If it had been possible to only fit a specific FQI to this plane then this accident couldn't have happened.

[@MrKotBonifacy]

I have watched another video on this accident, quite some time ago, so I don't remember the channel of the title of it, but AFAIR in "that other video" it was said that just such recommendations was made to the manufacturer of those fuel gauges - i.e. that they have to be mede physically different so it won't be possible to fit the "wrong" gauge into "wrong" aircraft. Sorry, can't remember more than that.

[@wolfgangwust5883]

Bad engineering. The company should have taken precaution not to mix both instruments (different plugs for example).

[@incog30]

How can this be blamed on the pilots at all? Everything told them they had fuel left. Plus some engines require the prop to be windmilling to restart during flight at certain speeds.

[@lv7603]

Crazy, but sentencing varies by country a lot.

[@lazchurchyard1229]

Because Italy.

[@gs98999]

How can any pilot takeoff without a fuel load sheet? That’s how. In aviation there are many failsafes. You can’t count on just gauges but also fuel load sheets to confirm fuel went in...

[@Anders127]

Criminal sentences are not helpful to improving aviation saftey but the italians insist on it. The instruments indicated low fuel pressure at the engines. Also dual engine failure a very rare. A common cause such as bad fuel or a lack of fuel could cause such an event.

[@enjoleur31]

Great video as always! Just a small remark, you seem to say that as the plane was lighter due to the lack of fuel, it would glide further; this is not true: the glide ratio would be the same regardless of the mass of the airplane, the speed at which this glide ratio is attained is however slower the lighter the plane is! (Hence why, as a glider pilot, we usually put ballast in the wings: same glide ratio, better speed!)

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Hey thanks! Thanks for the extra info too. I always wanted to have a go at gliding. its a shame I seem to have gotten that a bit wrong, thanks.

[@enjoleur31]

@@DisasterBreakdown No worries, this bit is quite counter-intuitive. Glad I could add a bit of extra info. If you want to dive a bit into the discipline, I would highly recommend the Pure Glide channel. There's also some great analysis of gliding incident and accidents there, which would perfectly fit the theme of this channel ☺️ and the guy's awesome.

[@GiBBO5700]

@@DisasterBreakdown why did the pilots goto jail too?

[@birgenair301]

@@DisasterBreakdown Hey, will you do the ariana afghan airlines boeing 727 crash?

[@BobbyGeneric145]

@@enjoleur31 hey Bastien, you know your stuff! I caught that too, but your comment got there first! That was something I learned in some college class... The glide ratio is always the same, just at different speeds.

[@CsendesMark]

aircraft manufacturers whom creating devices which are not compatible, but fits physically just need a big ass fine. money talks easy as it is

[@mujtaba853]

Why were the pilots got jailed? They worked on what was thought to them in flight schools, they believed in tge instruments in front of them. That mechanic should be the one facing jail time for man slaughter

[@gs98999]

You can’t trust just the gauges for fuel. You have to have a load sheet confirmation. They took off without that

[@Anders127]

They also had an indication of low fuel pressure. They shouldn't be jailed though. The italian system insist on such verdicts though despite no criminal intent and honest mistakes.

[@mandywalkden-brown7250]

Good to see that the Italian (in)justice system is keeping up its idiocy.

[@x-planeliveriesandstuffsho1074]

Nice to see one of my x-plane liveries in your video and like allways: You did an outstanding job with that video :)

[@philvanderlaan5942]

Re: Life jackets, In the navy we were instructed that in an abandon ship situation, never inflate life jackets until actually in the water as an inflated life jacket can break your back and or neck upon impact with water if jumping from a sufficient height , ( warship, cruise ship, freighter, bridge, helicopter, ect. )

[@TheMan-WhoIsIt]

hello disaster breakdown. i feel like it would be interesting if you reviewed the air disaster of TWA 800, the biggest (in terms of cost) investigation in NTSB history. it would be interesting for your take on why this accident occurred, and all the factors in play that caused the 3rd worst plane disaster in American history

[@speen9430]

It’s a really interesting air disaster, I would love to see it as well

[@dl7281]

My father in law was one of several who flew that route (NY-Rome) for TWA. First met him just before 9/11. We discussed it at length. His take was it was friendly fire.

[@sarahalbers5555]

This is the TWA disaster that exploded over Long Island Sound. Many were never satisfied with the ultimate conclusions. It would be great for our Chloe to explore. I was flying home to Dulles from Amsterdam and arrived not too long before this horrible disaster. I had such a huge migraine I had to call in sick for the next day. I couldn't watch any TV coverage. Those poor families and friends of their loved ones had to be devastated by the 3 ring circus this turned out to be. I sincerely hope they finally found some peace. Fly high angels!

[@brianmuhlingBUM]

I watched the National Geographic TWA 800 documentary and it was ruined by loud music and crashing SFX which made it difficult to fully comprehend as it was very distracting. Doco makers just don't get it! A "Disaster Breakdown" episode would do a much better job.

[@BengalsBillsFan2015]

Why’d the pilots get prisoned?

[@crumpledgamer9220]

They were jailed because they were praying for their god instead of following emergency procedures and gliding the plane to Palermo airport.

[@Boo-jk3ii]

Because its Italy they'll jail people for just about anything. The pilots acted on what information they had. Which was the engines just cut out, but the fuel instrument panel wasn't showing they had ran out of fuel. So they thought that there was something else wrong with the plane. They had bad information due to the faulty fuel instrument panel that was replaced with one that couldn't work on their plane. Basically they got jailed because people needed a scape goat. Had the pilots known it was a fuel issue they would have done a different scenario of events to try and reach an airport by gliding towards in hopes of making at least landfall

[@ThePilotWhoCantFly]

@Bill the fuel gauge showed that they had fuel and they read it correctly. Rewatch the video bud

[@dout0rm942]

@@crumpledgamer9220 they weren't praying. They said things among the line of "oh god", of the top of their heads, which takes less than 2 seconds. They didn't stop everything they were doing to pray.

[@92SMV]

I'm always excited to "Tuninter" new Chloe videos! I'm sorry. That was in terrible taste.

[@shoesofemelda]

this sort of reminds me of Ethiopian airlines flight 961: 1. the plane broke into 3 pieces 2. the plane ran out of fuel 3. some passengers inflated their life vests inside the plane causing them to drown

[@skullsaintdead]

and 4. All flight crews survived, along with about 29% (Ethiopian) to 60% (Tuninter) of the passengers. More would of survived Ethiopian if they hadn't prematurely inflated their lifekjackets (either not hearing the captains instructions or disregarding them), about 60-80 of the 163 total onboard were trapped and drowned.

[@IceWasHere.mp4]

R.I.P To All Those Who Died In This Crash I Hope This Never Happens Again Also I Have A Video Suggestion: For A Plane Crash I Suggest Lion Air Flight 610, For A Rail Crash I Suggest The 1987 Bintaro Train Accident

[@wwethemes2341]

the pilot in an interview said they tried to simulate the incident flight by trying to fly the plane to Palermo but they couldn't, even when they acted as if they knew that the plane was out of fuel in the first place whereas captain al gharbi and his co pilot only knew that after the investigation.

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

And why would they assume they are out of fuel when the fuel gauges suggest otherwise. I mean they may have been able to figure it out if they had more time but at that point they were focusing on trying to restart their engines as per their guidelines. Pilots are 100% not at fault here

[@wwethemes2341]

@@Teh_Random_Canadian exactly , that's the point i am trying to prove no matter what the pilots did it was impossible to glide the plane further

[@alabenyounes4356]

Great video man, I'm Tunisian and I was just talking about this to a friend of mine two days ago. It's the only deadly incident involving a Tunisian airline, as far as I know. I would simply comment on the Arabic names at the beginning of the video: Please use Right To Left orientation when typing in Arabic, and make sure to set the spacing at 0 between the letters, otherwise it's not going to make sense to the readers. I really appreciate you taking the time to try and spell the names in Arabic though. Keep it up the great content !

[@JoshCartman]

How a FQI can look basically identical from one plane to another is ridiculous, particularly if one is calibrated for a different fuel quantity. Not so sure I blame the mechanic on this one.

[@Jimbobthebarbarian]

Yes you definitely can. It doesn’t take much to actually read and verify the part number stamped on the unit with the printed procedures he’s supposed to be reading step by step instead of just sending it because it fits.

[@conradanderson3928]

It's noted in the official report that the parts catalog provided by the airline contained multiple errors. Both fuel quantity indicators were listed as being cross compatible between the ATR-72 and ATR-42. The mechanics had written proof that the installed FQI was correct to the best of their knowledge. This is why the final report found them not at fault for this accident.

[@GCarty80]

I'd definitely call that a design fault: if fitting the wrong variant of fuel gauge will cause false readings then it ought to have been designed with a different connector such as to make that impossible.

[@MatthewTaylor3]

The pilots did not need to be imprisoned. This was a maintenance issue.

[@conradanderson3928]

The official report came to a different conclusion.

[@Happymali10]

Its mind-boggling that no-one thought "huh, these two computers look the same but should never be interchanged, we should change the plug on one of them."

[@bjames86]

"The number 2, right-hand engine cutout"... Proceeds to show the Number 1 left-hand engine cutting out 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@bjornleonhenry9750]

Hey . Just wanna say, been watching all your videos for a long time, waiting for every next release. U are awesome. Much love from Bangkok, Thailand ❤️🙏😎💯✌️🇹🇭👍

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thanks so much. Its always interesting to here where people are watching from. Thanks for watching!

[@bjornleonhenry9750]

@@DisasterBreakdown ✌️🙏❤️

[@Tewy]

I'm glad the comments section thinking the pilot and fo being imprisoned was shocking. A 10 year sentence for doing your job and there happens to be an accident? Why would anyone become a pilot? Or just simply be near Italy?

[@Tsumami__]

I don’t even think the two maintenance people that picked out and installed the FQI were that at fault, the computerized parts catalog that allows them to search for the appropriate part was programmed to show that the FQI actually meant for the smaller ATR-42 was compatible with the ATR-72 and could be interchanged, naturally he’s going to assume what’s being displayed is correct, and that there would be no issue with using the 749-158 indicator as opposed to the correct part. The second tech that actually installed the part could have caught the error, but of course, they’d probably be used to being given the correct part so many times that they didn’t bother to double check. Plus I feel like it’s easy for the human mind to see the label 2250 instead of the 2500 and not realize the mistake. I feel like during the refueling for Djerba that could have been the last chance for someone to catch the mistake, but at that point how would anyone but the first maintenance tech be aware of the discrepancy between the two FQIs and that the reading shown was inaccurate because of it. Also how do Italian authorities expect the pilots to have executed the glide the same way the pilot in the simulator did, if they were unaware of the indicator issue? Lol they wouldn’t have even been thinking of the fuel out checklist, no? They assessed what was happening and went with what they knew. In order to do what the sim pilot did they’d have to be aware. The person most at fault was whomever entered that incorrect information into the parts catalog during programming. Second would be the maintenance person who checked the part out.

[@avionesdetuey9973]

Accusing the pilots is the most stupid thing ever lol They literally saved many lives during the ditching. They never tried planning the ATR-72 to Palermo because they literally had no reasons for trying to do that. They thought that engines would restart at any moment. Really, trying to blame the pilots for the crash makes no sense at all.

[@annehersey9895]

I just hate it when they base accusations off simulator recreations! Those are pilots NOT under any atress and who do NOT have real peoples lives in their hands! This was proven beautifully in the Tom Hanks film when he landed his huge airliner beautifully on the East River in NYC. All the simulations showed he could have made an airport but he proved the NTB wrong.

[@davidjma7226]

Typical. Untrained staff and the usual casual approach to administration prevalent in the MENA region. Especially the smaller countries and junior airlines.

[@enasniec-neicsnoc9591]

There is a suspicious lack of culpability placed on whatever entity was in charge of maintaining the plane above the level of the mechanic who replaced the fuel tank indicators. Whenever I see situations in which a part is incorrectly placed on any machine, whether it's an airplane or a sewing machine, there are generally two reasons behind it: corporate culture focused on turnover rather than safety, or a lack of training and knowledge among personnel regarding their jobs at even a basic level...which is also usually the fault of the company employing them. Again, it is suspicious that the company in charge of that maintenance procedure didn't so much as get a warning. This bullshit is clearly just an attempt to blame the pilots and sweep the actual problem under the rug. The bastards responsible for sentencing the pilots should feel ashamed of themselves though I know they wouldn't. As for the mechanic, he was responsible for putting the wrong part in the plane, but I am hesitant to say more than that. Again, there's no telling how well-trained he was in his job, what the culture of management he was working under was like, etc. For all we know, he pointed out the problem to his direct superior who said 'use it anyway' and he did so to avoid losing his job. Doesn't make things right, but I generally have no faith in a situation where this big a mistake happens and the only people blamed are the guys at the bottom rungs of the totem pole. The follow up to this accident reeks of corruption and scapegoating.

[@MrWaheedulHaque]

Hate when people blame the pilots when they are facing a problem unknown to them its very hard to use a solution for something you are unaware of

[@lv7603]

People want perfection but that’s hard to do under stress. Hindsight makes people see thing in a weird way.

[@jay01342]

@@lv7603 exactly! They did way more than most of us could ever do, but they're only human. It's not okay to imprison people for an accident that wasn't their fault. That's like imprisoning a bystander in a shooting for not pushing the victim out of the way of the bullet. It's ridiculous. These pilots were probably already suffering survivor's guilt, for a corrupt prison system to reinforce that unreasonable guilt is fucked up.

[@PhycoKrusk]

Honestly, one of the worst things that any investigation can do is charge pilots with crimes and then imprison them unless there is very clear evidence that the accident being investigated was the result of intentional actions on the part of the pilots or resulted from obvious criminal negligence. The reason is because, if pilots believe that they are likely to go to prison even if they believe that they did everything correctly in the situation, they become very unlikely to cooperate with investigators or provide any assistance or knowledge to the investigation. After all, if you're going to go to jail no matter what you do, what incentive is there to make that easier?

[@eomat]

Good video. The video has the wrong engines shutting down as per your narration.

[@ThunderBeastAviation]

Third Best video ever thanks!

[@jay01342]

I'm so mad that the pilots were imprisoned. They were literally punished for their incorrect reactions in a situation where they didn't know what really happened. I'd like to see the people who imprisoned them try to do what the pilots had to do. I hate when people get punished for literally being human. They genuinely tried their absolute best. It wasn't their fault.

[@conradanderson3928]

They chose to operate the aircraft without verifying the fuel quantity. Simply trusting what the fuel indicator reads is illegal and dangerous .

[@CloverCutieASMR]

You probably won't see this but are there any types of planes you wouldn't fly in?

[@yasirmohammedali]

Not the first time when the justice system of Italy commit injustice ... What wrong the pilots did ? Unless they hide what really happened

[@darkamora5123]

They were required to get that refueling record. Ignoring that part of their procedures meant that the maintenance issue with the improper gauge slipped by too. It SHOULDN'T be criminal in my opinion, but Italy takes that as negligent homicide when those procedures are in place to provide a safety net for the passengers. The flight was delayed because of the lack of paperwork, so it was a willful decision to take off knowing that either proof of refueling or an explanation for the difference in fuel readings was required by law before taking off. Most places it would definitely cost their jobs, and likely cost them their certification to skip that, but Italy opts for it to be criminal. If they'd pressed the issue as required instead of letting it slide the accident wouldn't have happened. They'd refuse to fly, the lack of refueling would be revealed, and (given the maintenance record) they'd realize there was a miscalibration if not immediately knowing its exact form.

[@p_borjinmotion]

I believe ATR is required to change the pins or whatsoever of their FQI to not be intentionally interchanged with 42 and 72 after this incident. poor pilots dang..

[@dreimalnein22]

the music track of this nice video is annoying... great narration otherwise.

[@BobbyGeneric145]

A windmilling prop has the same drag as a flat disk of the same circumference.

[@greentriumph1643]

Planes glide because they are converting potential energy (mgh) or height into kinetic energy. The initial speed of the plane is not terribly important.

[@marklimenfeld6035]

Thanks for a great video I always find it mind-blowing that in a lot of countries when there's an a disaster if the pilots are unlucky enough to live they actually go to prison

[@darkamora5123]

At least when the cause is not due directly to their actions. The case in Mexico where the pilots falsified their qualifications to get a government contract comes to mind. All aboard were killed, but had the pilots survived I'd hope they go to prison for the fraud, yes, but also for causing those deaths as a result of that fraud.

[@grassytramtracks]

​@@darkamora5123and if the copilot of germanwings flight 9525 had lived, he definitely should have rotted for life in prison

[@Cratlone]

Yet another great video! Unbelievable the pilots were sentenced to prison time.

[@xorowl1584]

pilots did nothing wrong and still ended up in jail for years.

[@abdullah3739]

The arabic font in the names were a disaster

[@eddiehimself]

Literally EVERY ATR crash I've heard about seems to involve the propellers being incorrectly feathered or not feathered. It's quite frightening really.

[@GCarty80]

Not Roselawn (American Eagle Flight 4184): that was caused a defect in the wing design that meant icing could cause uncommanded movement of the ailerons.

[@sjdrifter72]

Question : WhereAreMyCheetos Answer : I Found Your Cheetos

[@doubleucat]

Thank you for explaining why inflating your life jacket while still inside the plane is a very bad idea. Great explanation, even if it was rather grim, people should be made aware of these things. Excellent video as always!

[@Tsumami__]

I don’t even think the two maintenance people that picked out and installed the FQI were that at fault, the computerized parts catalog that allows them to search for the appropriate part was programmed to show that the FQI actually meant for the smaller ATR-42 was compatible with the ATR-72 and could be interchanged, naturally he’s going to assume what’s being displayed is correct, and that there would be no issue with using the 749-158 indicator as opposed to the correct part. The second tech that actually installed the part could have caught the error, but of course, they’d probably be used to being given the correct part so many times that they didn’t bother to double check. Plus I feel like it’s easy for the human mind to see the label 2250 instead of the 2500 and not realize the mistake. I feel like during the refueling for Djerba that could have been the last chance for someone to catch the mistake, but at that point how would anyone but the first maintenance tech be aware of the discrepancy between the two FQIs and that the reading shown was inaccurate because of it. Also how do Italian authorities expect the pilots to have executed the glide the same way the pilot in the simulator did, if they were unaware of the indicator issue? Lol they wouldn’t have even been thinking of the fuel out checklist, no? They assessed what was happening and went with what they knew. In order to do what the sim pilot did they’d have to be aware. The person most at fault was whomever entered that incorrect information into the parts catalog during programming. Second would be the maintenance person who checked the part out.

[@jonmcfarmer6954]

Of course the pilots (and the mechanic) are responsible! The pilots did question their amount of fuel before take off! When you question something in aviation, you first INVESTIGATE! The pilots should manually have checked the fuel level (using the magnetic level indicators)!🤔

[@GenghisCohen257]

Euphemisms are awful. Why does "fuel gauge" become "fuel quantity indicator"? If they kept it in normal language they wouldn't have to shorten it to FQI. I guess it's done for the same reason that "used car" becomes "pre-owned vehicle". Oy.

[@thancrus]

im confused as to why he pilots went to jail this was clearly a mistake on maintenance... Yea they didnt act perfectly but to be honest who would? even in training is perfect and knowledge is dead on with timing there is no way to know for sure.... Them going to jail reaks of xenophobia

[@emmapayne3267]

Actually shocked that the pilots got prison time 😮 I may not fully understand the whole system BUT it seems to me that they did everything they possibly could AND managed to save lives. How can they solve a problem they didn't know they had

[@gregdrmax]

Mechanic, or the company they worked for should had been the only ones going to jail. Solely on whoever signed off the repair. There are maintenance manual procedures for replacing parts and illustrated parts manuals to show what is effective. DUMB!

[@Yasmin-jt1ux]

Besides the mechanics who installed the wrong FQI, the incompetence of Italian air traffic controllers was omitted by the investigation.. Unedited cockpit recordings leaked to the public demonstrated the Palermo air traffic controller as having a poor grasp of English, failing to assit the distressed flight.. But sure Italy blames it all on the Tunisian crew who did the best they could to minimize the damage of a failure they could never figure out the reason for ...

[@foxhoundmj2056]

i wonder if there is another record anywhere in the world of an airliner pilot saving his passengers actually sentenced to prison? or this is a clear case of bully justice and racism against the pilots of a Tunisian airline? what if the pilots had settled for gliding to the runway in Palermo and crashed 2km short of the runway killing everyone? i have worked 12 years as maintenance PLC supervisor and i know for a fact those 2 incompatible yet outwardly similar Fuel Quantity Indicators were destined to be mixed by some maintenance technician somewhere in the world. blaming the pilots for not double checking on the amount of fuel taken before flight and not feathering the propellers is just beyond outrageous. criminal charges against ATR manufacturer for deceptively building two completely incompatible fuel quantity indicators (like incorporating incompatible connectors, rods, pins, even color) are more viable in this case. for whatever reason the poor Tunisians couldn't defend their pilots against this case of pure injustice.

[@MO-ec9nc]

This happened before the hudson bay incident, which means that simulations and courts wheren't taking into consideration the human factor when simulating what they could or could not do in a gliding situation, that's why the sentencing against the captain and the FO is harsh and unecessary.

[@HostNayner]

It blows my mind these countries just throw pilots in prison for this. Surly the people making these calls and pressing those charges have ZERO idea how to fly a fricken airplane.

[@jayrandolph9328]

The conclusion of this was *ABSURDLY* harsh towards these pilots, I personally feel that these pilots acted the best they possibly could with the information they had in this situation. These pilots should sit comfortably within the ranks of the heroic flight crews that have been commended for their actions during disaster situations over the years. Im extremely interested to know the whereabouts of these pilots today, if thier names were ever cleared of this, and if the Italian government has ever been made to answer for the outragious criminal charges brought against them.

[@adnaneeddie]

I’m Tunisian and I can assure you both pilots didn’t do any jail time. The Tunisian government disagreed with the trial and convictions and never gave them up. The only thing is the can’t go to Europe anymore. As far as I know both still work in Tunisia doing domestic flights.

[@scottmoseley5122]

Aerospatial should have gone to Jail for making such a similar looking indicator that fits both the 42 and 72 interchangeably. Thats criminal. REally cant even blame the mechanic either. Italian courts ...

[@YanestraAgain]

This is the second time I downvote one of your features. The reason is that you left off many aspects which were publicly discussed, like the bad information given by ATC, the wrong entry in the warehouse database and the actual actions of the pilot in the cockpit.

[@MidnightWarrior1976]

I blame the manufacturer. Parts should not be interchangeable -- especially with similar numbers on them.

[@alanm8932]

It's not essential to the basic story but I'm finding it hard to understand how fitting the fuel display from the smaller aircraft to the larger aircraft can result in it displaying MORE fuel. Is there something odd, like the larger aircraft has smaller fuel tanks?

[@AutoReport1]

I can't tell if some of your mannerisms (e.g. lays instead of lies) are just your dialect or you're trying to appear clever and over correcting like pushing down or pulling up on the yoke when you should leave it the f- alone!

[@toddclean547]

90% of the fault here is the manufacturer. That part should have NEVER been interchangeable.

[@akschmidt2085]

I had the misfortune of flying Tunis Air in 97. The only other time I felt that unsafe in a plane was flying Aeroflot in 95.

[@CT-uc6jw]

Italian justice always seems overreaching. The pilots should appeal in international courts.

[@betrayal6231]

It was actually found in the official report that it was the airplane manufacturers fault, not the mechanic. The replacement FQI was mislabeled and since it was identical to the correct one the mistake was impossible to catch unless using a dipstick…

[@miliatid4835]

This was from my country interior Airlines renamed after that accident seven air and now Tunisair Express....the cvr is horrible to hear...they did their best to save souls on board...you Can hear their fear yet determination to do so...the pilot sentenced to jail for not feathering the props ?they were praying god to help them and it's very sad to hear that one of the three men in the cockpit (an off duty Airline engineer )went dead...

[@martyzeenyc1210]

Great justice was served. Pure incompetence by the “pilots”.

[@FoxysGD]

Im glad theyre out of jail now but sending them to jail because pilots are human and make mistakes? Thats just outrageous. I do respect they put the mechanic in jail too.

[@pooryorick831]

It is shocking that pilots would be treated that way. They're not the ones who put the wrong gage in the plane. From everything I have read or seen, they did the best they could under the circumstances. It's ridiculous to treat the crew like criminals.

[@wintercame]

TY Chloe for another fine telling. BTW the Tyrrhenian Sea is pronounced Tear Ray' Ne Un.

[@katttgg]

The pilots got sent to prison??? Are you serious??? They didn't do anything wrong they literally just did their jobs.

[@JJJRRRJJJ]

Prison??? Wtf?

[@UPB78]

If they put a fuel indicator based on a smaller fuel tank, shouldn't it have shown that they had no fuel when in fact they did, since it was a larger fuel tank than the one configured for that type of indicator? In that case the pilots would've tried something different much earlier.

[@ZouUuu]

The voide recording of this if available with subs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYjKpHh7eZV8m6s

[@619badr]

Not gonna comment on the content of the video because I can’t add to what have been already said in the comments. But one thing I must comment on is the notice on 2:00 for the Arabic speakers the apology was extra nice but just the Recognition was enough and some. Thank you it was what people say the icing on the cake for me .

[@michaelosgood9876]

This sentencing was nonsensical!. The joker giving the sentencing should have been charged himself for this sentencing! What a joke

[@robbiebunge859]

The engineers should have gone to jail, not the pilots!! What cockamamie justice is this???

[@dukathneu]

If it would be a felony to make poor decision even when knowing better I would be sentenced to 10 times life without parol.

[@adamasrinsky]

FYI, Arabic is written from right to left.

[@derpinguin7003]

How is tuninter taken from the French translation from tunisair express? Tuninter is just shortened Tunis international

[@lliambunter]

I can't watch them anymore with that irritating music , why do you think it's a good idea to have that nonsense play whilst people are trying to listen to what you're saying I really can't make it out

[@WingingItCrypto]

What?? The pilots should absolutely not be to blame here...

[@بارث-ظ8ر]

at 2:00 the name in arabic is spelt backwards and isnt properly formed, like a words written in cursive not attached to each other

[@Jmvars]

Is there any reason the pilot would decide to ditch immediately rather than glide as far as he could towards land before ditching?

[@mybalha8568]

Que des erreurs de conception! Module spécifique sans détrompeur... Manettes non adaptées et non sécurisées... ATR doit revoir sa copie !