Running Two Trains For Double Income in Railroads Online!

Hey everyone back with Railroads Online! Today Hyce and I are running 2 trains at the same time to try and maximize the profits! Railroading is all about making that money so we have to work twice as hard for it!
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[@visekual6248]

I consider this series more like a podcast than gameplay, I don't know if there are other KZbinrs who play this game, but I don't know how they manage to make an entertaining video without some steam train expert to talk to.

[@jordangamesvlogs9892]

Yes, I end up playing other games or doing something while “watching” this

[@JW-3D_Design]

@@jordangamesvlogs9892 same lol

[@shawnhockert7685]

also same

[@danmaardeze]

You do know what work Hyce has done in the past and what he is doing now, right?

[@goosegamerau3200]

Kan should do some vlog of him going to the museum, it would be cool to see him and hyce together irl

[@doomxrednax8224]

That would be amazing

[@thespacementv1506]

That'd be quite a journey, considering that one's in colorado and the other's in canada.

[@AstroxonAnimates]

"hey guys welcome to another episode of Railroads , Offline"

[@WibleWobble]

@@AstroxonAnimates best quote of the month

[@ducewags]

@@thespacementv1506 Air travel is a thing now days.

[@quakxy_dukx]

I have three strange wheel configurations to offer: - The WM. Mason 0-6-6 - Any Garratt class locomotive - An insane concept from the 1951 August issue of the “Trains” magazine depicting a 2-10-10-10-10-10-2 quintuplex. There’s no evidence such an engine was ever proposed but a slightly smaller, but still obscene, 2-8-8-8-8-8-2 quintuplex was included in a patent application

[@jacebeleren9290]

So some extra details about the 4-14-4 Hyce was talking about, the Russian AA-20: The Russians were inspired to build it based on the UP 4-12-2s, and when they did they realized they goofed HARD. Igor, as they called it, spread rails on every curve it went over, broke every switch it crossed, and couldn't fit on turntables because it was so stupidly huge and heavy. In addition to that, it was a poor steamer, so it was a horrid pain for everyone involved. It ran a couple on special excursions for publicity for the Soviet railroads and then was quietly put into storage and subsequently scrapped. Nobody unironically likes that ungainly oaf of an engine, period.

[@joeyginise6051]

Russian engineering being wack as usual.

[@Luredreier]

@@joeyginise6051 "wack as usual"?

[@U_Geek]

You know now you HAVE to take 40 hoppers up the 10% with a whole crew.

[@sumplais]

In regard to odd wheel arrangements, I thought Hyce would have mentioned one of the Pennsylvania Railroad's oddballs like the 4-4-6-4, though he did mention its relative the T1 for different reasons. There are weirder arrangements than these.

[@pandahorn6733]

Hearing Kan talk about the sewing machine brought back childhood memories because my mom had one of those as well.

[@cooper7996]

i love hyces imput into the real steam works side of thing

[@divyanshujha6088]

Now we want the picture of hyce's model train set

[@Dies1r4e]

I watch this over there, and then again here, just because I want stuff like this to be popular, I don't even like trains, just enjoy two friends nerding out together about something.

[@Madnessnunky]

Yo kAN: The T1 you and Hyce mentioned was essentially the pinnacle of steam technology but was scrapped shortly after completion due to the difficulty of running it compared to modern diesels and the expense to maintain it. There is a current project to rebuild the T1 under designation 5550 for Pennsylvania Railroad. It's neat and might be worth a look. Maybe Hyce too.

[@JAK359PB]

I love keeping track of the T1 rebuild and can't wait for the day it's done... but they got a long way to go still. I grew up in MD with the B&O / WM, moved just over the line into PA and love finding all these preservation trust and scenic Railroads that I never even new existed before.

[@timhastings4863]

I believe it's not a rebuild, but new construction from the ground up using original plans.

[@panzerjagertigerporsche]

Hyce had mentioned the UP 4-12-2, the actual designating name was the 9000 series which were built by ALCO between 1926 and 1930. There was 88 of them produced, they were 91.5 feet or 27.89 meters in length and they could way up to 807,099 lbs. From what I could find there was only one 9000 that had her boiler explode, it was number 9018 and in 1948 her boiler exploded while she was running on a track that was in between two cornfields, two men were killed in the blast and the brakeman, who was on one of the engine's ladders, died the next day, all of the fencing within about a quarter to a half mile radius were all knocked down and they were finding pieces of her two miles away. When officials interviewed the breakman the only thing he said was "we were low on water." And after this disaster they started placing images of the exploded 9018 with the notion "The Result of Low Water!"

[@MrLarsgren]

sounds like you need to visit hyce at the museum and get a hands on experience.

[@IamTheHolypumpkin]

On regular railways the speed record was made by the French TGV at 574.8 kph. Mathematics would make high speed rail competitive to flying on basically every route (like NYC-LA) at somewhere between 600 kph and 650kph. Not that far to go.

[@Skyfire_The_Goth]

While that is true, the question wasn't about the highest rail speed record, but the highest STEAM LOCOMOTIVE speed record. To which Hyces answer is correct, officially the Mallard has the record, unofficially there are several contenders.

[@daesmith3274]

You and hyce working together is excellent. He brings so much knowledge to the game.

[@behnkarrlsun]

I love that you both have returned to RRO. This is such a fun series. Fun gameplay, great conversation, interesting stories, and bits of trivia. I really hope you guys share the map.

[@widders1]

I wanna see the 40 fully loaded hoppers come down the 10% 🤣

[@joeyginise6051]

Bro, triple 7 was double headed and had 39 cars. And that was a diesel! That many would probably kill a steam engine!

[@aaronharrison3801]

I second that lol

[@tonyscool200]

My grandma still has that old singer sewing machine and it always fascinated me since i can remember me. Thanks for bringing back those wonderful childhood memories of me messing with that damn thing ♥

[@Wisecubing1]

Keep on going with the series

[@voidthenothing6662]

Always love these train vid good job. :)

[@Kodiak01]

Nice video, kAN! Just as an FYI, I've already watched this video on Hyce's channel so I skipped through this one to see what you were doing while not together. So sorry for the user retention stats on this one 😅

[@douglastaylor43]

Love the podcast/gaming format

[@ValentineC137]

With modern trains on older track with older wheel designs, the curve on the drivers can start to make the train oscillate back and fourth and throw itself off the track when going in a straight line. It's one of the reasons for high-speed rail being a different design.

[@murple8503]

Hyce really got the “Trading paint” skill point EXP from nicking Kan’s train

[@darknut9696]

Here in the UK the L.N.E.R made a super heated boiler engine called the Hush-Hush or the Class W1 (Top Secret) in the late 1920's, it used a marine boiler engine set up initially made for ships however it failed due the extreme lack of pressure compared to a regular boiler, and it was rebuilt into a conventional boiler engine it kept the extended length of the original shape which allowed a better working space for both engineer and fireman. However in the late 50's it was scrapped due the Beeching mathematical reduction of use of railways for road haulage and passenger use and, of course the diesels and electric engine, the Tender of the loco was used for the Union of South Africa A4 which was retired last year due to boiler tube failure (The owner(s) don't plan on re-steaming/ repairing it despite having funds)

[@archwolf3835]

I saw a big boy when they were doing some touring with it. It was something else hearing and seeing that thing roll up infront of you. Absolutely beautiful engine, truly a sight to behold

[@gerrard1144]

The Mallard was pulling the dynamometer car because they wanted to beat the Germans top speed record, which was 124mph on the DRG Class 05. They first tried it with the LMS, using a streamlined version of the Coronation Class, but they only reached 112mph. Then Gresley from the LNER built the A4's and was like "yknow what? Let's beat the record". The Mallard was like 6 months old when they reached 126mph on Stokes Bank. Gresley wanted to beat the record further using the Sir Nigel Gresley A4 engine, but was cancelled because of war

[@danejones7051]

hyce's experience and honesty had made this series IMO. (kan please stop cutting him off early) (love you kan!)

[@sem6249]

Is it me or does it also feel wholesome that kan shows interest in Bryce his chats and explanations 😅

[@buckduane1991]

Southern 4501 once had its dry pipe collapse in the middle of an excursion run. Locomotive took off like a shot and closing the throttle did nothing to slow it, and emergency application did little until it ran the steam pressure out.

[@daanbos5918]

I love that steep spiral track

[@jeffreyblack666]

I would say the important distinction between a petrol car and a steam engine (for this discussion) is the clutch. The pistons in a steam engine directly provide power to the wheels. The crank shaft and flywheel is a wheel set on the train moving the train forwards. Conversely, the pistons in a car provide power to a crank shaft which goes through a clutch and then a bunch of gears before finally getting to the wheels. This means to get it going on a train, you need to be moving the entire train. But to get it going in a car, you just need to move the pistons and crankshaft (and connected bits), allowing a starter motor to easily get it going before the pistons start firing.

[@dacoz]

I like when you and Hyce do different things because I tend to watch both of your videos

[@ypungy1138]

Along the long vally to the coal mine, I run a climax and class 70, pulling 38 cars, 23 stake cars and 15 hoppers. Assuming you carry 3 cars if Rails and 20 of Beams. You will make exactly 150 coal with no excess materials. Then you can go home with the 15 (150 coal) hopper cars of coal. The perfect round trip, and nice and fun with plenty of sketch running them solo.

[@big_beed]

There is a group called the T1 Trust that is building a brand new T1 from scratch using the original plans to do mainline excursion service and to break the world speed record.

[@belinda3053]

Keep it ip can great video i love your videos :)

[@YurtFerguson]

Fun fact, the Russian AA-20, was super played with issues since it was so heavy it had a reputation for pushing track and falling between the gauge. It was also said the main reason for them to build it in the 4-14-4 layout was to one up the west with their 4-12-4 9000 class.

[@luizbag]

You two should also do a Multiplayer Derail Valley series...

[@whitefoxrising]

I could see them running the SH282 together that’d be pretty slick.

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

Multiplayer in DV is as unstable as RO multiplayer to the power of ten

[@prestonedwards9647]

Do you upload at specific times Kan? Or is it just random? Edit : The vids have been amazing recently, and that's for all games, not just RO. :)

[@Adder6112]

It's funny to see some of the pre intro banter on hyces Channel

[@MineTrain]

13:12 The 4-12-2 from UP looks extremely funny und awesome at the same time

[@nickinick9329]

Great video! Every domion of Britain got a Pacific locomotive, so right now, the Dominion of Canada is in a museum in Québec, at Saint-Constant. It was green before, but they repaint it to be like it sister, blue! The thing with speed and Britain was, there were à lot of companies competing to get the fastest engine to incite clients to go with them, just that the company LNER made some of the most iconic steam engine!

[@LunaliBrighteyes]

On the weak points of pistons, engines with multiple pistons will typically have pistons that aren't all in the same position, so some will be at their weakest points while others are in their strongest.

[@YurtFerguson]

And honestly Khan, one way to really streamline the turnaround at the iron ore mine would be to get rid of that buffer and just replace it with your round table Right there, that way you can just spin your locomotive around and then run back out on the single switch.

[@DaveP1991]

So the reason the British were so keen about speed... There are two routes from London to Edinburgh, the East Coast Mainline and the West Coast Mainline. Since time immemorial the companies running those routes competed with each other on speed. It started with the Race to the North in the late 1800s which were actual organised races between the two routes. In the first half of the 20th century the LMS and LNER kept trying to outdo each other to be fastest. First it was non stop runs with brand new locos. Then they starting going after speed using LNER A3s and LMS Princess Royals, regularly breaking 100mph. Eventually they began streamlining their locos, resulting in the LNER A4 and LMS Princess Coronations. The LMS took the first punt at a world record and hit 114mph, but the LNER took the crown with Mallard. Mallard's run provided three record speeds depending on who you ask. It was a sustained 124mph, officially 125mph max with 126mph briefly touched but controversial. Then WWII happened and we had bigger things to worry about...

[@bariskiciman4237]

number 2 babyyyy

[@panzerjagertigerporsche]

When Hyce brought up the Union Pacific Big Boy and it's wheel configuration and you said that things got to be huge the length of a Big Boy could take up 2/3 of a Boeing 747 and it's almost as tall as the main fuselage of a Boeing 747

[@Dallen9]

Mallard and the rest of the LNER A4's were built to go fast. At least faster than the stream liners of the LMS. Mallard breaking the record was when LMS and LNER's Rivalry for the Fastest in Britian ended.

[@drigr9951]

The mallard was a type A4 pacific (N°4468) designed by Sir Nigel Gresley for the London and North Eastern Railway in 1930's decade with double chimey, 3 cylinders, a drivers of 80in diameter and a boiler pressure of 250psi (top speed 126mph,203km/h)

[@ulrichkalber9039]

The record breaking thing in brittain was because they had a strong competition at the time. they did it to promote their line over the competition.

[@squarebodycasewademckenney6190]

The "Big Boy" is probly my favorite... I watched a video where UP had one of there diesel engines hooked on the back of BB and did a test by going full dynamic brake (about 130,000lbs of brake force) and the engineers in BB said the locomotive didn't even feel it

[@186scott]

Kan on hyce Channel there is a comment about having scrapman kosmo, dapper and a couple others joining in on this series and would be good I did also put a comment on that comment about dapper derailing alot and scrapman over engineering track layout

[@adammullarkey4996]

36:50 While I am British, and I am very proud of the Mallard, I also admit that there are a lot of problems with the record run, and that there are a lot of contenders. For a start, though the record run measured 126mph for a single second, and that's the figure you'll see in the record books, the locomotive's designer, Sir Nigel Gresley, did not consider that a reliable measurement and preferred the 125mph measured over a half-mile. Second, as you mentioned, it was measured on a slight downhill. In my opinion, most of the US claims are probably exaggerated, probably exacerbated by the lack of speed measurement equipment. The second-best claim for the record (in my personal opinion) is that of the German DRG Class 05 002, which achieved 124.5mph in 1936. Unlike Mallard, 002's record was achieved on the flat. However, 002's train weighed 197t, compared to the Mallard's 240t. The 124.5mph was officially measured and recorded, and held the record for 2 years until Mallard broke it in 1938. EDIT: The reason Mallard's owners decided to make the record attempt was simple: competition. A quick history of British railways is required: Before WW1, the British rail network grew in bits, each controlled by a small, local company, much like in the US. During WW1, the government took over control of the railways for the war effort. They quickly realised that this centralised control was more efficient, and, after the war, an Act of Government mandated that the hundreds of small companies (with a few exceptions) merge into four large companies. The names of the Big Four (as they became known) were: the London and North Eastern Railway (LNER), the London, Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS), the Great Western Railway (GWR) and the Southern Railway (SR). As you may notice, the locations of these new companies were rather vague, and there was a huge amount of overlap. In particular, there was fierce competition between the LNER, the LMS and the GWR over express passenger services from London to Edinburgh, especially between the LNER, owners of the East Coast Main Line (ECML) and the LMS, owner of the West Coast Main Line (WCML). During the 20s and 30s, both companies built a series of increasingly impressive locomotives, culminating in the famous LNER Class A4, of which Mallard was an example, and her slightly less famous counterpart, the LMS Coronation Class. The record run was basically the LNER attempting to prove to the general public that their service was faster than that offered by the LMS (though, in reality, neither class would usually run at full speed, for safety reasons).

[@blakewolfgong6746]

Hey Kan, I saw the big boy that’s at Altoona, it’s ridiculously huge and it was in pieces

[@ericdavis5802]

what would be nice is to give the caboose a use is if it was a TP spot like the telegraph stations. that way it has a use and isn't just decorational.

[@rescues_greyhounds]

I just watched the newest RO on Hyce’s channel. If possible, could you stream the multiple runs from the logging camp to the sawmill. I know that you record ahead, so you probably already did this.

[@swskitso]

Need more sides along main line if you plan to run multiple trains. If it's an hour between points A and B you wouldn't want train 2 waiting at B for an hour because train 1 has departed A.

[@azurepony9972]

talking about the big boy, i am surprised hyce didn't mention that the union pacific fully restored one recently so kan would go look up a video of it running later.

[@dieselmaniac2yt156]

4-14-4 Russian locomotive that you were talking about is the aa20

[@ryansims105]

The clip that Hyce talks about at 40:00 can be found at about 12:30 into the 22 minute Union Pacific presentation "The Last of the Giants"

[@FScotsman4472]

the 2-6-6-6-2 tank engines were crazy.

[@youchoob8090]

Most ridiculous wheel arrangement would be the Belgian Quadruplex, 2-8-8-8-8-2 wheels on one locomotive, made for Passengers. Like the engine Britain made, purely to accelerate just so they didn’t have to switch to Electric trains, the Decapod locomotive

[@vouchgaming1509]

The Pennsylvania class T1 4-4-4-4 Hyce was talking about looks like something from Fallout (I understand the train was made before the game, however that's how it looks)

[@jlwalker2965]

Have you guys ever thought of extending the cordwood dropoff line?

[@GreatNW]

You could take the 40 cars up the long way empty then go down the steep track if it's shorter

[@mewtheenigma2732]

I just had a thought about bringing wood to fuel the helper locos. Even if it’s the polar opposite of prototypical, are you able to bring wood with you when you teleport to a telegraph office? I can’t test it on my current PC cuz it’s old enough that RR:O is a slideshow even at minimum specs 😅

[@eddielowe8189]

Great vid, could see everything unlike the crap Hyce put up. You need to drive more till Hyce stops with cups. No idea why they added plough when it has nothing to do with performance, would have thought high level of slippage unless you cleared the tracks.

[@thisisjustwhereikeepmymusi7899]

Woah!

[@steverontti4199]

I have heard that the D&RG K-28's were capable of 6o MPH on the flats south of Alamosa

[@firedale2002]

Out of curiosity, in the instance when you do have multiple engines pulling a train, such as you did in this episode with the helper, which train would do the whistle messages about incoming train/coming through/etc ? The helper, the main train? Would they both do it? One then the other? What is the actual standard for such a situation? What's the messaging whistle sound for 'dropping off a friend and heading out' for a helper train? Is it the same or different for when there's a pushing and pulling train where there's an engine on each end of the train? If the train is long enough, would the pushing train also need to do messaging ahead to say it's coming in, too, even though it's in the back of a train that's already coming through?

[@pilsplease7561]

Mallard actually was supposed to do more runs for a higher record prior to ww2 but the war happened and then it was pulled for war use and never got to make another attempt at it.

[@PennsyPappas]

The Pennsylvania S1 6-4-4-6 apparently did 156 MPH which I would love to have seen done that.

[@hans429]

"Wildest ride int he wildernes" STOP CONDUCTNG DRUNK! hahahahhaa

[@2314SHADOW]

since you don't have the turntable at the iron/coal helper station anymore, what if you switched up the track so The Goat only has to pull straight onto the mainline in front of the head engine, without having to switch and reverse onto the main?

[@BrentSudric]

51:20 Headcanon Glenbrooke with a southern accent lol

[@caydoncargill3989]

The craziest wheel arrangement I can think of is a Garratt 4-6-2+2-6-4

[@harshitkushwaha9923]

this is so good

[@drigr9951]

I know an english engine wich was an 2-2-2-0 called Teutonic for the London and North Western Railway.

[@lukemendel8197]

2 Identical Locos can act quite different. THEY DO TALK. "TTTE Theme starts"

[@aaronharrison3801]

As I understand the story with mallard which is pronounced as ard as in hard lol is the crew claimed they’d broken the previous record held be the g.w.r and mallard was a l.n.e.r loco so the company had them do it again with the dynamiter car on the end of a normal train a few locos also had speedos fitted at the time it was a really big thing too at the time there’s a lot of footage in black and white with commentary at the time

[@johnstevenmospa1671]

I think the most crazy wheel arrangements are the 2-12-2s,2-10-10-2s, 2-10-10-10-2s triplexes now we're getting into the ones that only stayed in the drawing board those are the 2-10-10-10-10-2 quadruplex and in my opinion the one that coming up right now has too many wheels literally and that one is the 2-10-10-10-10-10-2 quintuplex

[@pinaz993]

kAN, can you ask Hyce about the Crazy 8s incident? I saw the Citation Needed episode about it, and it's... crazy. There's really no other way to describe it.

[@matthewcox7985]

Should call that one the kAN-solidation! 😁

[@mc_cheezie6557]

when Kann said he was joined by Hyse, I thought he was gonna say Heisenberg hahahaha

[@jeffreyblack666]

The "peddle" on old fashion sewing machines wasn't a throttle, it was more like the head of a piston.

[@rommelfcc]

You need a steam regulator 😁 to control the pressure on the tail end, and more control...

[@zitriphyer8429]

12:40 this is so relatable to me lol

[@AxlePlaysGames]

The Mallard actually set the record on 3rd July long long ago in a country I live in-my birthday is 3rd July

[@timothyparker4489]

The challenger series 4-6-6-4 had drivers that are 6 to 7 foot tall

[@ser10usg54]

7:22 this is one of the only times we talked about cylinder cocks and I’d like to know more!! If a trains brakes lock up (if that can happen, that would be like wheel slip) so would cylinder cocks help that?

[@czbuchi86]

Why not simplify helper station? - one Y from shed and second Y with main line instead of that akward switch-back (that will be too short for multiple helpers anyway) ?

[@3DPDK]

In fact; a poorly tuned car engine can, indeed "stick" in a top-dead-center condition at start up, especially if the motor block is over heated. It's less of a problem with computer controlled timing, but happens with vacuum and other mechanical timing systems. The engine won't stay long in this condition as long as the battery is good and the starter motor is turning, but it accounts for hesitation at start-up. Because the block is hot, the fuel ignites a fraction of a second before it's meant to, creating all the compression just before TDC. Without the starter motor, this would stop the piston dead in it's movement or even cause the entire crank to back up (slightly). I don't know about a steam driven piston, but this condition in a gasoline engine can break piston rods.

[@williskeesel6049]

Is this what causes backfires when first starting and engine that's been sitting for a while?

[@3DPDK]

@@williskeesel6049 Yes but not exactly. There's two types of backfires - one goes out the exhaust, the other flames out through the carburetor. Both are caused by bad timing, severely degraded spark plugs, bad, possibly shorted spark plug wires, or a bad distributer module. ... or a really screwed up computer sensor. The difference between a backfire and a TDC hesitation is that in a backfire, either the intake or the exhaust valve into the cylinder is open so the pressure escapes so there is little pressure on the piston. If the backfire exits through the intake it usually burns all the fuel in the manifold which starves the other cylinders for fuel. At low idle this will stop the engine but not because it locked up under pressure. An exhaust backfire is mostly just loud, but it can damage the muffler and catalytic converter over time.

[@3DPDK]

@@williskeesel6049 P.S. Some exhaust backfires in a cold engine can be from re-condensed fuel in the exhaust manifold.

[@kimkimpa5150]

Your trains don't have cabooses, isn't that against regulation? Or is caboose requirement based on length/weight of train?

[@darknut9696]

Wait Hyce has a YT Channel!!?

[@andrewslater6846]

Kan I’ve had the exact same experience with the foot pedal sewing machine!!

[@Typicalrn10]

i still have that treadle sewing machine at my home. it was always fun listening to the noise it made

[@irazander]

could a steam engine run "backward" were the exaust is the firebox and the chimny is the airflow in?

[@tathagatabhattacharya5911]

Kan, hyest needs to be on a multiplayer monday..

[@ppmanlb0719]

What pc do you run

[@GreenAxolotI]

Fun fact: Betsy can pull more weight up 1% or more than Montezuma

[@dacoz]

the 10% line is for your return trips