Guided Meditation: You Cannot Have Your Cake and Eat It

In this guided meditation, Rupert explores two concepts - ajātivāda and vivartavada.
Rupert says: ‘Vivartavada is the idea that the world is an illusion - it is real but not what it appears to be. It just appears to us the way it does because we view it through the lens of perception. And this is the level on which most of the highest non-dual teachings are given.
‘Ajātivāda is the highest non-dual understanding, and it is very rarely spoken of. It is the idea that there is no creation, no world, no universe - that nothing exists. There is not even the appearance of a world from this point of view. This seems to conflict so profoundly with our experience that it is considered too profound even to speak of.
‘I want to try and say something about this ultimate point of view to somehow bring it into our experience so that it’s not just some abstract philosophical idea beyond our comprehension. And in order to do so, I get to use a very well-known colloquial English saying, namely: “You cannot have your cake and eat it.” You might be surprised to learn that it contains the highest non-dual understanding.’
*This video is from one of Rupert’s in-person retreats at The Vedanta, 11-18 November 2023. To view and book for upcoming retreats (many of which can be attended online via livestream) go to:
Timestamps:
0:00 An Unconventional Guided Meditation
0:58 Ajātivāda
2:59 Vivartavada
5:49 Can You Have Your Cake and Eat It?
10:53 Knowing Our Self
16:11 Is Our Self Nothing?
18:40 The Knowledge ‘I Am’
23:46 What Is Consciousness’s Experience of Itself?
29:04 Our Experience of Our Self
31:30 Consciousness Knows Nothing, Is Everything
40:38 The Experience of Love
49:02 The Highest Non-Dual Understanding
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[@cinammondream]

Wow. I can’t believe this best meditation ever has been put online. I was there in the room. It was mind blowing. Absolutely unbelievable.

[@pamelahall7614]

As i was listening online i couldn't imagine how powerful being there must have been

[@kristofferrobinhaug8029]

Haha, I remember how we were all (well, some of us at least) spinning our wheels trying to figure out what this new "secret", "ultimate truth" with the weird name was supposed to be - until at the end of the retreat he finally told us it's just a fancy name for the very mundane experience of abiding as awareness 😅

[@user-xs6xc4id9g]

As brilliant as it is profound!

[@josefeijoo7415]

Rupert; gracias por despertame y lograr saber quien SOY y mi papel en este gran DRAMA de esta mi experiencia ,muchas gracias!!!!!

[@cinammondream]

@@pamelahall7614it was absolutely unreal. Actually I had stomach cramps and was on painkillers and was writhing in my chair. But it was unmissable. I’m so glad I went! It was unreal. So completely unreal and utterly mind blowing and life changing omg

[@richardbukowski3300]

"To know a thing by being that thing...It's only possible to know what is not. It is only possible to be what is."

[@AwakeningArt]

Buddha said about a "Patisothagami Maggha". Which means the backward path. Rupert is explaining it brilliantly. Specially being able to use a spiritually weaker language like English to this degree is amazing. Eastern languages are rich when it comes to spirituality. But ultimately every language fails when it comes to the ABSOLUTE. Any way this guy is brilliant. Really hope one day will have a chance to meet him. Love him.😍

[@kellyalamanou5185]

"As the Absolute ,i don't even know i am" Sri Nisargadatta

[@davidmiller8615]

In just 40 minutes, Rupert has provided the clearest description of meditation I have ever encountered. I will be revisiting this often.

[@arpitshah3069]

What meditation is that?

[@hemamalinirs1002]

Every Word in this video should be meditated upon . This so powerful and clear This can’t be finished in 58 mins as per the duration of the video !!! I fall short of words to express my Gratitude , Love , Devotion, Respect,Reverence towards you , Love you Rupert ❤🙏🙏🙏

[@Arcania_M]

Thank you for sharing the ultimate Truth with us, Rupert. We are ready!

[@heinzgassner1057]

So grateful for having access to this. Again and again, listening to Rupert feels like an energetic opening of all these formerly tightly closed doors, allowing access to this warm lake of awareness and dissolving into this unspeakable, loving and vibrant silence. The deep sleep while being fully awake. 🙏🏻

[@tarotwisdomcafe]

So grateful for Rupert

[@chechena7]

No concessions this time. Just the simple Truth. Love it ! Thank You very much.

[@tiffanyjoleenbowserdimeco6294]

“I and my father are one”- Jesus. It’s all right there… and he wasn’t just talking about himself. Thank you Rupert for this unbelievably clear and direct teaching. 🦋

[@EnergiCodes]

The kingdom of heaven is within you 🫶

[@coachgnosis]

​@@EnergiCodesHeaven is Within. I will post my own public video. This video of meditation is missing reverence for God as the Father spirit of all spirits. Rupert sees God like a ignorant machine, but God is an all knowing presence of space that underpins all things. God is far greater, and so are we as his children, than Rupert claims. Even his face distorts as he speaks certain blasphemies. I will make my own response video, detailed. His POV is only true of one who has yet to humble himself before the LIVING God, not an ignorant machine, and pray, asking the Father to confirm who he is. Such is called the Holy Anointing. This happened for me Nov 2022 on my profile testimony. I remember when I was near Ruperts stage, and now I revisit his videos, and I see he has not progressed, but digressed. My response videos will be directly to you Rupert, professional, beginning a conversation. I've heard your POV, now I will share my own, in depth.

[@EnergiCodes]

@@coachgnosis lovely I will be sure to watch 🫶

[@rosarioalba1270]

Thank Ruper for sharing with us such a profound mystery . It drove me into deep Silence. Full of gratitude

[@pamelahall7614]

God does not love us, God is us.❤ wOW!!

[@nils8584]

Beautifully put.

[@sanneknigge806]

❤

[@coachgnosis]

So wrong. God definitely is more knowledgeable and knowing than Rupert. Ans he definitely loves greater than any of you

[@pamelahall7614]

Jesus said I and the father are One. ​@@coachgnosis

[@Aes-Salvation-or-Annihilation]

La illaha ila Allah, the birds and everything in the entire universe praise God, God is the Most Wise, God is the Most Glorious, God is the most Magnificent, none has the right to be worshipped except God, God is the King and Lord and Protector and Light and Ruler and Controller of the heavens and the earth and everything in them! ----- Then Who told me countless times I love you and who cried and weep so many times over it? Anyway, I have nothing to say. This is just other falsehood. God is enough for me. I submit to God, and I prostrate with my face down to Him... And I discard and disbelieve your non duality fully.

[@annaharris626]

We know by being in relationship to the other. In being we are in union. They appear to contradict each other. We are in union and relationship, ‘both/and’, not ‘either/or’. A paradox the mind cannot grasp, but nevertheless is. An impossibility which exists.

[@cabsrhere8897]

In a nutshell: There is one dreamer Dreaming one dream Experiencing its dream through many dream PoVs (living beings)

[@info8595]

Many of Rupert ideas reflect core principles of Sufi metaphysics that have been articulated for centuries by Sufi masters like Al-Halaj, Suhrawardi, Ibn Arabi, Rumi and many more. These teachings emphasize the unity of existence, where all forms and phenomena are seen as manifestations of the Divine. Ibn Arabi’s concept of Wahdat al-Wujud (Unity of Being) and Rumi’s poetry about the interconnectedness of all things both illustrate the idea that the Divine permeates every aspect of the universe. This perspective sees the ego as an illusion of separation, which must be transcended to realize the underlying unity. Spira’s discussions on non-duality and the nature of consciousness echo these timeless Sufi insights, showing a deep resonance with the metaphysical explorations of the Sufi tradition. However, the core difference lies in the interpretation of the world’s reality: Ajata Vada views it as an illusion, whereas Islamic mysticism/Sufism sees it as a real manifestation of the Divine.

[@SisypheanRoller]

...and the Sufis got it from somewhere else. These ideas are incredibly old and only vary in small details when expressed by the many branches of thought they spawned.

[@info8595]

You are correct that many spiritual ideas are ancient and expressed in various traditions. However, Sufi teachings, are uniquely rooted in the divine revelations received by Prophet Muhammad, the greatest and the seal of the prophets (peace be upon him), and his twelve successors (the Imams), who are the greatest manifestations of the truth in all realms. These teachings confirm and aligns with the wisdom of earlier prophets like Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them), making them profound insights directly inspired by divine knowledge. While these concepts may appear similar across traditions, Sufi teachings are deeply connected to the prophetic tradition, providing a cohesive and unique understanding of spiritual truths.

[@melissag9685]

The Rishis intuited this Truth thousands of years before the Sufis came along. But Islamists have to believe they have the "final prophet" and are the "final word" on Truth. That is a sign of clinging to an ego with limited understanding. True wisdom is the Universal One, revealing itself to any and all who are truly open.

[@info8595]

The assertion that Rishis intuited this Truth thousands of years before the Sufis, and that belief in the “final prophet” is a sign of ego, demonstrates a misunderstanding of the nature of Islamic teachings and Sufism. While it is true that various traditions have their own profound insights, it is essential to recognize the distinct perspectives and foundations they are built upon. Islamic mysticism, or Sufism, is deeply rooted in the teachings of the holy Quran and the life of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. The belief that he is the “final prophet” is not an expression of ego but a core tenet of Islamic faith, signifying the completeness and finality of the divine revelation given to humanity. The holy Quran states in Surah Al-Ahzab (33:40): • Arabic: مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن رَّسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ ٱلنَّبِيِّينَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيمًۭا • English: “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets. And Allah has full knowledge of all things.” This concept is not about limiting the understanding of Truth but about recognizing the culmination of divine guidance through a line of prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, peace be upon them all. Sufis recite and reflect on these teachings, understanding that their mystical experiences and insights are deeply intertwined with the revelations of the holy Quran. Islamic mysticism emphasizes that the divine reality is present in all things, and the apparent forms we perceive are manifestations of the divine attributes. The verse from the holy Quran (2:115) underlines this omnipresence, indicating that wherever one turns, there is the Face of Allah. True wisdom, as understood in Islamic mysticism, acknowledges the unity of existence and the divine origin of all knowledge. It does not negate the value of other traditions but places the finality of the prophetic mission within a context that enriches and completes the understanding of divine revelation. Therefore, the assertion that recognizing Prophet Muhammad as the final prophet is a sign of ego is fundamentally flawed. It overlooks the profound spiritual and theological framework of Islam, which emphasizes humility, submission to the divine will, and the recognition of the interconnectedness of all prophetic teachings.

[@karinahoed1614]

❤ yes ❤ so radically True. Thank you, so much, for sharing. Somehow I had to cry.

[@CHRISTIANEGOUY]

This meditation is so profound and confirms the saying of Blaise Pascal, the French philosopher who said : « TU SERAS DANS TA DEMEURE QUAND LE DEUX MEURT » Yes, WE ARE ONE ! So grateful to Rupert for revealing the TRUTH 🙏😇❤

[@dpclerks09]

This was immense. I need to spend time with this. Thank you, Rupert, and THANK YOU, GOD! 🙏🙌❤‍🔥🌎

[@earaya]

29 seconds in- i love it already. Great title too :) Thank you , Rupert💛

[@diosyo8176]

GO RUPERT! THANKS RUPERT 🙏🏻🙋🏻‍♂️🇨🇱

[@Totobogui]

Oli

[@laoluAD]

No words. ♥️

[@francistomalik]

This was the best explanation of the paradox of existence I've heard before. Rupert you are exceptional. And I always knew it :) love you 🩶

[@navaneetjeevan2554]

"knowing" not equals "being" you can't know something and be it simultaneously.

[@jordicostadomenech8270]

Sí, jo soc Això tal com soc ara aquí. No puc conèixer Això del tot perquè ho soc però sí ser disfrutar la seva base i fons amor pau felicitat

[@muhammadmidlajm6103]

Thank you Rupert ❤ Wishing everyone peace

[@nirupovega]

Oh!!!

[@meriemallou7667]

Merci Marci Merci . Thank you Rupert.شكرا جزيلا

[@greggc1968]

Thank you for taking the extra step into the apparent abyss that frightens us and validates the vitality beyond the knowable. Stay Brilliant 🔆

[@db-333]

So so so beautiful! ♥️♥️♥️

[@Soulsmusic1931]

Thanks Mr. Spira.. I had one realisation which I wanted to share about being grateful.. Most of us have been grateful about what we have that other unfortunate person doesn't for eg. financial security, warm place to stay, health.. This is what have been taught by society but it is so wrong to be grateful in this way cuz it would justify someone's situation of not being able to afford basic amentities that we are grateful about.. We want someome to be unfortunate so that we can be grateful about how fortunate are we to have these basic amenities.. This makes me sad as these are the things taught by my own parents, this is not being grateful but to look dowm upon others in not so harsh way.. Gratefulness is quality of being, accepting every moment as it is, not wanting to change, run or suppress it is quality of being grateful..

[@wuppistruppi4768]

Danke 🙏

[@Shefabby]

This is Radical. Thank you Rupert ❤

[@tomtulpe9380]

Thank you so much from deep within. It's so deep. A prayer to love ❤️

[@innerlight617]

Wow! THANKS RUPERT!ॐ ❤ 🙏

[@simonemacera5025]

Thank you so much Rupert

[@fabianandresdemurogarcia8725]

Thank you Rupert, for guiding and sharing this profound meditation, in an exquisite way.❤

[@johnjeremysellars]

wonderful, Rupert - thank you!

[@kathrynphillips3710]

Everything is either in a process of becoming or is in beingness ❤❤❤

[@ocofficial5481]

Pure being is a complete thing on its own

[@nivedithakamath9388]

Very profound and deep experience. Thank you Rupert 🙏🩵

[@gregknupp7180]

The Father truly loves us,thank you .❤

[@Adamthomas78]

Beautiful ❤. I feel so grateful for this gift being presented to us! You are the one who guided me to find my oneness Mr. Spira.. much thanks and blessings to you.

[@theflarpus]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you....feels like this was for the mind. To help it understand and relax as it transfers its power over to the Self. Listened to this twelve times now and it's like I have heard it once ❤

[@backtothefuture19]

Just wow , thank you rupert 💚

[@vagabondcaleb8915]

I contain multitudes--which is great because love can only exist in relation to an other.

[@s2pacific]

Love the periods of silence

[@Louloute-h4x]

You can even even increase them if you pause the pause the video😉

[@s2pacific]

@@Louloute-h4x yea he seems comfortable with them, probably because (am guessing) the self is unsullied there, and properly expressed/experienced???

[@Louloute-h4x]

@@s2pacific I sometimes pause videos that I find interesting in order to understand better what they say if they speak too fast. No need to do it on this one.😁

[@user-sf9kl6sy5e]

@@Louloute-h4x Most of the time I accelerate the videos cause they talk too slowly, I can't stand it. 🤷‍♀🤷‍♂

[@HelenLoshny]

45:16 … that is the experience of Love, to know a thing by being that thing… Exquisite ❤

[@petraobracajova5689]

Just wow ❤

[@mechelinekelly2668]

Thank you Rupert, this is exactly what I’ve been needing…It is Gold… I love you ❤️

[@ArashZaghi]

“It is only possible to know what is not, it is only possible to be what is”

[@ashvoj]

Nonsense

[@theflarpus]

Thank you ❤

[@ocofficial5481]

THIS MAY SOUND, wow, but there was most definitely a sort of SATORI. I was doing pushups on my knuckles, and was able to recognize the difference between awareness and the pain deeply in my hands. BODY JUST BROKE OUT LAUGHING and crying at the same time😂😭

[@rukminipotdar8455]

Absolutely brilliant and very clear, never understood Ajaat Vaada so clearly until now! Gaudapada of Mandukya Upanishad fame lives within Rupert Spira for such a crystal clear explanation ❤❤

[@WakeNUp2]

❤ thank you 🙏🏻

[@HelenLoshny]

39:45 love is not an experience a person has, it is the end of the person we seem to be… ❤❤❤

[@blissfullyliving1]

Fantastic ❤

[@YosoydePalestina]

Thank you so much!

[@tathagata7213]

“On the arising of ego and the perception of forms & objects know that it is unreal”

[@Scholzel-w1f]

Resonates with me absolutely...I don't know why...

[@lindaszlagowski8888]

Awesome🙏

[@andreiadenie1158]

🌈🙌I resonate totally

[@AwakenedEmptiness]

This is why the sages say " you spit the pearl out of your mouth everytime a mere utterance occurs." At that point you are doing out of speaking rather than being out of the silence.

[@miagoldsmith7360]

❤

[@user-sy2gz9lp3p]

If we can see our bodies and our thoughts and understand that they are not us, that we are the ones inside observing the experiences, then why wouldn’t God be able to separate that as well? Why wouldn’t God have awareness of us and be able to see us and the plants and all the other physical things in the universe as we see our thoughts and bodies? I love your content!!! Ty for all that you share!

[@poutinez1688]

Rupert nice explanation dude Daniel Kahneman talks about the Experiencing Self AND the Remembering Self

[@DM-bd2vw]

You only know something in terms of it being other than yourself. Makes sense

[@DavidPeirce]

What about Schrodinger's cake? :)

[@bestoffers5984]

Your both knowing and being something.

[@JamesBS]

In a curious box, a treat does reside, Both whole and eaten, in paradox it hides. Unseen by eyes, it’s fresh and grand, But once revealed, it slips from your hand. To have it and taste it, a choice you must make, For once it's devoured, it's no longer at stake. This puzzle perplexes, a quantum-like take, The enigma known as Schrödinger's cake.

[@bilimoriafirdaus]

🙏💛

[@malaselvarajah5398]

❤❤❤

[@sanneknigge806]

🙏❤🙏

[@seanmiller598]

We are not just a few crumbs. We are the cake.

[@TheHmmka]

🙏🏻

[@meFatuations]

08:28 key point

[@prasadrathnayake4763]

💞💞💞

[@cominoengenharia]

What is the benefit of understanding this theory? Do it leads to peace and happiness instead of nihilism and despair? It's a sincere question?

[@GODSPEED801]

Yes good - but a bit to abstract - he who clings to the void and neglects compassion does not reach the highest stage !

[@johnphillips3835]

as David Carse says....there is nobody home>

[@mondiaspecial]

Witnessing direct transmission

[@hannahcarlsten2461]

❤🙏🏽❤

[@nickturner4150]

You can have some cake, then you can eat it. Then it's inside you. You've had your cake and you've eaten it.

[@stevencraig7446]

Duels i,e, duals are normally fought at dawn. Why?? Light bends or reflects more intuitively.

[@tommartin9612]

A Brilliant Man.

[@alfreddifeo9642]

❤🙏☮

[@eamonnspirit]

you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

[@darrylschultz9395]

🤔But what if it's an especially large cake?🎂👅💥👀😢🤙

[@johncrondis4563]

That is literally what cakes are: something you have and then you eat.

[@awakenotwoke7949]

This video is fine example of its title. Another title could be " you can't get there from here." There is the Illusion.This video points to the Reminder: Surrender to God. Surrender to the unknown. You Cannot know. So give it up.

[@moonglow6639]

There is the "appearance" of a "world" but it's entirely in our imagination.

[@richardbukowski3300]

The description sounds like other descriptions of Buddhist Nirvana/Nibbana.

[@stevenperry7041]

Let me put it this way: .........

[@Misslotusification]

"On ne peut pas avoir le beurre et l'argent du beurre."

[@mkhailey97]

All I want is to abide in this in myself and in the presence of other humans. Does anyone know of a place where people abide like this together?

[@bille77]

30:16 So the term "infinite consciousness" is ultimately misleading. ❤

[@atmccready603]

Yes I can 😂

[@tonysuel5347]

What if you have two pieces of cake?

[@levlevin182]

🐂....👍🏼✌🏼🌹😃

[@aidacasamalhuapa8043]

EN ESPAÑOL POR FAVOR!

[@jordicostadomenech8270]

Hola ¡ molt veritat i interessant el que diu Rupert, hi ha una cosa que tinc molt present que es la distinció d'una mateixa cosa , precisament es en distinció com es presenta aquí la conciencia infinita absoluta que no sap res i ho es tot al mateix temps, tot es distint únic irrepetible d'aquesta Cosa no dos . Per ser l'altra desde aquest res - alguna cosa, la distinció - que soc i es l'altra, per ser lo altra no cal que deixi de ser aquesta distinció que soc doncs l'altra també ho es , desde la distinció podem entrar a Això únic que ho es tot al mateix temps que res

[@Letty1122]

Therefore God cannot ‘see’ the world?

[@info8595]

You also assert in the video that the world is an illusion, real but not as it appears. This perspective still misunderstands the depth of divine manifestation. The world is not merely an illusion but a true and continuous expression of God’s attributes. The forms we perceive are real manifestations of the Divine, revealing His infinite nature in myriad ways. The perception that the world is not what it appears should not lead to the dismissal of its reality. Instead, it should drive us to see beyond the superficial and recognize the divine essence in every aspect of creation. This is not an illusion to be transcended but a reality to be deeply understood and appreciated. God’s continuous self-disclosure (Tajalli) through the world means that every moment and every form is a new revelation. To call this an illusion is to miss the profound truth that the world, in its diversity, is the theater of God’s self-revelation. Your view that the world is real but illusory in its appearance still fails to grasp the full extent of its significance. The world’s appearance is a direct and necessary manifestation of the Divine. Recognizing this transforms our perception from seeing illusion to witnessing the true essence of God in all things. Thus, the world is not to be dismissed as illusionary but embraced as a profound and ongoing revelation of the One True Reality.

[@annaharris626]

This is addressed beautifully at around 19 mins. It is not nothing or everything. It just is!

[@info8595]

Your statement, “It is not nothing or everything. It just is,” oversimplifies a profound truth. The essence of being is not merely that it exists without context or meaning. According to the teachings of great Sufi’s like Rumi, Sadi, Hafz, AlHalaj, Ibn Arabi etc. being is the continuous self-disclosure of the Divine. Every moment, every particle, and every event is a direct manifestation of God’s attributes. To say “it just is” without recognizing the divine attributes that infuse all existence is to misunderstand the very nature of reality. Everything in the universe is a reflection of God’s infinite names and attributes. This understanding goes far beyond the notion of being as a simple, static existence. The Divine is not a distant, passive presence. God is actively involved in every aspect of creation. Each moment is an opportunity for the Divine to reveal Himself in new and dynamic ways. The world and everything in it are filled with divine purpose and significance. To grasp the true nature of being, one must see beyond the superficial and recognize the deep interconnectedness of all things, reflecting the One True Reality. Your view reduces the richness of divine manifestation to an oversimplified concept, which does not capture the profound reality of God’s presence in all things.

[@siobhanmulvey]

@@info8595what about when my ego ruins my beautiful divine self body brain life? Ego is divine ir that’s the illusion right? But it creates destruction which feels real

[@musicmoments8510]

What I don't understand about Ruperts message is that he gives a seeming reality to a localised finite mind, through which the world of form seemingly appears. How could empty awareness that doesn't know itself and can't be anything other than it's empty nature localise itself in that way?

[@davidalbro2009]

Whole lot of projection and assumption in this comment. Rupert said that reality is illusory. This is 100% true. Rupert never said or implied that this illusion isn't profoundly important. On the contrary, Rupert goes on to speak about the necessity of the illusion of separation in order for being to know itself. You just used an elementary-level logical fallacy and many people are applauding.

[@kolarz2128]

🫶🏼🙏🏼

[@preetimaheshwari1329]

AHHHHH !