Russ Refutes DaBaby's Claims of Being Blackballed

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[@zanestarrk6891]

People don’t understand there’s a difference between having a core audience and having casual fans. Casual fans will listen to your songs cuz it’s recommended or in a playlist. They’ll like IG posts, retweet, and go to a festival to see you and 50 other artists. But that’s not REAL support. The core audience will go out of their way to buy albums, merch, vinyl, and tour tickets. Playlists and algorithms won’t stop a core fan from supporting.

[@Bylug706]

That not true. I’m a real fan of many artist but I’m not buying albums or merch. The exception and first artist I’ve bought merch from is Larry June and that because the merch is actually appealing.

[@wawztzta8296]

@@Bylug706 you are a piece of shit and are part of the problem. value your favorite artists or no one will

[@derickmls14]

@@Bylug706 why wouldn’t you buy your favs album 🫣

[@zanestarrk6891]

@@Bylug706 lol you’re not as big of a fan as you think

[@tatertots0046]

@@Bylug706 you're not a core fan then

[@E1evenDegrees]

The issue is Da Baby thinks he has fans. He’s a hit artist & didn’t have a hit leading up to this album. Majority of the people listening to him are people that just enjoy his hit records.

[@xbabu142x]

This is true. I have been on waitlists for merch for Griselda since 2017 since they put the work in and made it worth while me being on the lists. I put down payments on merch since the merch is worth while. You need fan worthy art to have fans.

[@neverhungryagain2187]

Damn

[@willpower3317]

Da Baby does not have fans, he has listeners. It’s that simple.

[@xbabu142x]

I'm your #1 fan. Willpower is the best!

[@tekken9476]

It's very hard to be a hardcore fan of the product he serves to fans, his music ain't timeless

[@darkskinwhite]

that's funny cause I'm a fan of him way more than I am a listener

[@darkskinwhite]

@@tekken9476 it's entertainment and he brings a back a lot of the aspects of rap entertainment that we haven't gotten in awhile

[@antarticp7477]

a post can never be burried from a fan because the fan doesnt rely on the timeline for updates ... fans go right to your page to see whats going on....

[@jamiemoore1989]

not if you a fan of a bunch of artists you not going to check every page everyday. facebook did this shit when they made it so you had to pay to promote a post so it would reach all your fans on your page.

[@antarticp7477]

@@jamiemoore1989 you dont need to check it everyday especially if we talking about catching product releases ... as long as the fan checks your page atleast once a week or even 2 weeks heck even once a month can be sufficient ... thats enough to keep up with whats going on and not have things hidden from you because of any algorithm ... imo this only impacts the NON-fans that you maybe able to catch without having advertisements smacking them in the face everyday multiple times a day .... and imo alot of artist and/or labels rely on this sort of promotion because alot of thier artist dont have a real audience and/or fanbase to start with ... alot of artist have been surviving not because of thier fans but because of how far of reach and how many people thier marketing and promo touches ...

[@antarticp7477]

@@jamiemoore1989 you got artist like the dababy who i think recently got exposed for this ... i hear his music everywhere but i dont personally play any of his songs outside maybe a coupple of features and i dont hear or know anyone that plays his music like that .... but to see his recent sales ... those numbers make sense to what i hear .... similar to alot of other mainstream artist where you see them all the time on commericial tv and radio ... but in real life they dont exist anywhere you go or turn ...i used to feel the sameway about young thug ... like who really listens to this guy but! his records sales have ALWAYS reflected that ... but he was the first i noticed this with because his numbers were never inflated ... yet this guy was everywhere and was on everyones song etc ...

[@MissRory662]

@@jamiemoore1989 yes you can social media literally show you more from the people you like.

[@juicepodradio2650]

Artist with indestructible fan bases: 1) Kendrick Lamar 2) J Cole 3) Drake 4) Wiz Khalifa 5) Russ

[@CPT2LA]

And Youngboy

[@willjamesjr]

Russ is right. The crazy this is that these artists want the machine to machine for them... they want playlists, placements, they buy followers, radio, awards and give steroids to streaming numbers and sales, but then complain that the system that rigged their succes is rigged. Lol All these numbers and engagements are boosted. So it's the artist' own fault if they didn't build a more organic and COMMITTED fan base. You might have millions of followers but how many of those millions aren't bots and how many of them aren't just following you to see more of your TMZ type f*&*×ry? Many of these artists are spoiled and feel entitled to success. But as long as they are depending on politics and internet tricks drive their success, they can't complain when the machine moves on to the next. Live by it, die by it

[@heyousrew6458]

Show Business is truly a popularity contest. Rap music is junk food popular but the numbers don’t lie. The labels forced a mass produced business model that they benefit from while the quality of the music or culture suffers

[@cnsmooth]

Hold on there son. The quality suffered when the internet came along and the "masses" where about to pick and chose who they listened to. Back when labels where the "Gatekeepers" they only were giving deals to the cream of talent out there.

[@bn1342]

@@cnsmooth had nothing to do with talent. It was all politics most of the time. Most of them were industry plants getting built up to be better than they actually were

[@uriellevelupriley684]

Congratulations 🎉 JB podcast to 1milli subs salute and highest honor

[@nightshadexl242]

Folks just not rocking with Da Baby’s “controversy” marketing…he didn’t even promote his album like that either….lastly his sound has become very “niche”, plays albums conservatively and see if your not burnt out by song 4 of album 2

[@zregory]

Russ is right. You can't cancel something you're not subscribed to. If you have 1 million fans then you should sell 1 million copies...... the problem starts your 1 million fans stop being your fans

[@MissRory662]

And just because you have a million fans do not mean everybody a fan. I like looking at dababy content on social media but I don’t listen to his music

[@neverhungryagain2187]

💯

[@tatertots0046]

Russ is the blueprint for how you build a career in music(not just hip hop)

[@TrunxKraft3000]

Especially when you have a following

[@youngprophet5138]

He’s talented and worked hard but if he was a black artist he wouldn’t have the same success. He’s an anomaly

[@tatertots0046]

@@youngprophet5138 that's nonsense? Chance was following the same blueprint and having MORE success than Russ but he stopped working and fell off

[@misguidedpearls7456]

❤❤💚💚💜💜

[@TrunxKraft3000]

@@youngprophet5138 It just depends on the type of black artist

[@dancegod1691]

Dababy better get experimental real quick

[@marcusorwhatever]

You can literally have fans turn on Notifications, doesn't matter if it gets "blackballed" when your "fans" aren't going to those notifications

[@jordanbester5254]

Love the rebrand !

[@devilinthedetails8350]

The only way he’s being blackballed is if he’s label is in on it, a streaming companies aim to keep a on the platform for as long as possible ghosting Da Baby works against their own interests.

[@stacksxx]

Bro you not making any sense

[@quintondenson3717]

Ice dressed like the Grench that stole Christmas lol. But I FK's with him though!

[@danielhall1226]

Black balling means he's cut off from the industry machine that boosts his exposure and revenue

[@JonquilAnderson]

Blessup folk...Joe had them "Mood Muzic" series on his JoeTV site...and folk ate it up...he didnt need a machine...his fans made it happen regardless...Russ had some very good points and he did it off the muscle

[@cnsmooth]

Most people heard mood music for free though to be honest. However someone big like prince took his shit to the web and never looked back

[@handz2k_]

@@cnsmooth that’s another method releasing free material and appealing to the have nots so when you do drop something of value ya fans go cop it off the strength . Now with dsps sites like Datpiff don’t provide that method anymore but a lot of free content will make you skyrocket if it’s quality content

[@handz2k_]

@@cnsmooth that’s another method releasing free material and appealing to the have nots so when you do drop something of value ya fans go cop it off the strength . Now with dsps sites like Datpiff don’t provide that method anymore but a lot of free content will make you skyrocket if it’s quality content

[@YungSuave]

Great interview

[@anthonyallen265]

I think joe cutting his segments up helped increased his subscribers

[@Bylug706]

No many popular podcast yt shows do this. Nobody does more than Shannon Sharpe. That mf release 30 two min clips per show

[@Drewb187]

Not at all. He's been doing this for years.

[@nobodyexceptme7794]

Krit one of em with an organic base

[@jqualls7901]

10:57 I see where you goin Joe & I absolutely agree with you, they can hit a button and either make you or break you if you don't have the following already‼️💯💯

[@handz2k_]

There are too many platforms . That is very possible for 1 but if you gettin that treatment from EVERY platform . You need to check yourself 😂.

[@TrunxKraft3000]

@@handz2k_ 😂

[@dealz5197]

OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE. YOUR PRODUCT YOU PRESENTING TO US IS TRASH/GARBAGE/DODOO. Why we acting like DaBaby was the second coming of Drake

[@wonderlandian8465]

Joe forgot to mention that he was nearing 1M a year ago then he had that public falling out with Mal and Rory and a bunch of people unsubscribed from his shit...which is why he didn't hit that mark. He is trying to blame algorithms for his channel taking a hit when he did it himself

[@matthewngwenda6095]

i was about to say - the Rob video. it hit differently and I personally could share the link with a lot more people than usual.

[@darnelldarden9429]

I agree with Russ. If I like your music I’m gonna find it and listen. I don’t need a playlist

[@cnsmooth]

To be fair Russ said this before Da Baby stuff.

[@tannert7694]

how lol he said this like 4 days ago?

[@Sammm301]

He's been preaching to the choir for a while now

[@cnsmooth]

@@tannert7694 what I meant was he's said something similar before baby shit

[@familyties5591]

Russ speaking 🗣️ faxxx

[@agtaylor2863]

I don't ever hear people say put da baby on lol

[@intheringboxing1783]

Are they on a boat ? Why does the back keep moving? Green screen?

[@bigseannn3730]

Joe just be talking and circles and these suckers just be agreeing

[@KayBeOnline]

And, though Joe couldn't say it, that YT "black hole" and it being funny/peculiar how one can stay capped or even shadow banned for so long has been a thing that creators of color (particularly black creators) has been talking about for the longest. Kudos to Joe for breaking it after all these years regardless of the reason why YT decided to get behind it now 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@muman1]

Exactly

[@matthewbeckles7909]

“Email list” simple and plain.

[@aaronbazil]

Btw, yeah of course you're skyrocketing since the Rob O'Neil interview: diversity. That's usually Rogan's bag: diverse people.

[@flyyorkcity5826]

Joe w/ the subtle Bottega flex! 🫡

[@jasonproctor9896]

He's not blackballed, his music just isn't good. Millions of people don't listen to Spotify Playlists and go seek out their favorite artists

[@bighank672]

He need a name change 🤣🤣🤣

[@Itsjustjoe064]

Da baby make mainstream music, Russ makes acquired taste music

[@LL-dj3uj]

Exactly!! The real issue is the type of music you make.

[@CombatLegsVIDS]

they both make 🗑 music

[@P-10.00]

@@LL-dj3uj there is plenty of great mainstream music lol

[@BlackHippy313]

Exactly. Russ will always have a fanbase dababy makes come and go music

[@stacksxx]

Everybody think there’s a boogeyman in the corporate offices that’s preventing them from being great

[@triberedeyetv5971]

Its hard to slow burn organics up the chain when the outlets are gated n superlative operated. Combo of industry politics, games of thrones for ownerships, & depreciation of ACTUAL TALENT To think organics requires a way of thinking that isnt openly accepted by stockholders who make money on catalogue snags

[@handz2k_]

That’s legit how most fanbases are created now though . Mostly Every xxl freshman list recently has artists that are unfamiliar to the masses but got selected because they got 100k followers on KZbin , SoundCloud , or 1 million plays etc . Labels don’t make artists anymore they only magnify them .

[@phader2]

You can be Shadow banned. People can have post notifications on and not see them when you upload etc.

[@derickmls14]

Trust me…if you’re a REAL fan you know when your favs are dropping and probably sitting at the phone at 11:59pm for that midnight drop 😂 he just doesn’t have CORE fans

[@Stressedantihero]

Lack of desired Support doesn’t necessarily equate to being blackballed.

[@jonathanscott-bey4051]

My thoughts 💭 was EYL interview

[@itzmimz8238]

You can’t keep making the same album and expect people to not lose interest. The world has moved on from DaBaby

[@EC-fm7sd]

COLD is not blackballed😂there's a clear difference, Dababy a solid nigga but it's over gotta switch dat shit

[@jayburnham3994]

How many fans are really fans though. Joe said he'd stop posting free content and what did all the "fans" of the pod say?

[@electrixfyingipod6206]

People like Tyler the creator, j cole, wiz khalifa Kanye travis that has a true core fan base can’t be blackballed especially in the age of the internet.

[@skali_skali]

Now you’re 3000 subscribers more.

[@workinghardtomakemyfutureb7932]

5:34

[@workinghardtomakemyfutureb7932]

6:59 8:45

[@illwillfilms]

That’s the military veterans

[@lugo_ayana]

Welcome to a Milli!!!

[@danielsappore3423]

You also have to factor in that a large amount of people actively don’t want to hear from DaBaby. At first didn’t mind hearing from him or actually did like him. This man has punched him own fans in the face at shows multiple times and keeps gossiping and saying things instead of making music. Audience fatigue

[@DETROIT1948]

In Joe Budden We Trust.

[@ohhhatheeeeyeaaaaayeeee8360]

Tory the only one that got black balled and his fans still show love

[@RORIROCKET]

In terms of Da baby, growth shouldn't be involved in the conversation. He was one of the biggest artist of 2019. He shouldn't have to grow. In the scope of the actual black ball convo russ is right.

[@DazDidThat]

can't even lie. I hear more about russ thru interviews. I never hear his music being played ANYWHERE.

[@brytonmunro5270]

True because he’s independent. And yet he has 17 million monthly listeners on Spotify alone. He doesn’t get radio, Dababy does and still can’t retain actual fans. Imagine if Russ did get radio😂

[@misguidedpearls7456]

@@brytonmunro5270 100

[@misguidedpearls7456]

I found Russ by a interview Instant fan Jus due to hes a real dude

[@ogilbert3]

Powerful!

IF YOU'RE SIGNED AND THERE'S IS SOME SORT OF CONTRACT THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ONE TO RELEASE, YOU CAN BE BLACK BALLED.

[@intheringboxing1783]

Nah listen bro, if you have a core fan voice that connects to your music they’ll listen when you drop. You comparing how social media platforms work compared to people who have a organic fan base. Socials doesn’t matter. Cause the connection between fan and music is that strong

[@triberedeyetv5971]

Parks 100% correct

[@AoF520]

Woah woah how long the format been like this. I like seeing everyone.

[@Le0xo]

Almost had a heart attack seeing Parks

[@aaronbazil]

Oh shit, it's Parks 😲

[@virgonero2060]

CAPITAL CAPITAL CAPITAL...I believe Russ communicated that he spent a mill to produce and promote that song with Ed sum

[@learningeverdayliving111]

17 years at a 1 million is not a flex.

[@Justin_Will]

Why do ya give Parks more camera time. I love when he doesn’t talk

[@anzwarthegreat9489]

Russ is right. Screaming "blackballed" is attempting to rub shoulders with the poor. When in fact, this is another case of blaming the man that doesn't exist (also another poor theme). Instagram, KZbin and Facebook will allow you to buy ads for all that glorious cash you flaunt in tv. Put your money back in to your business like the rest of the 1% do to stay rich. Michael Jackson was successful because he put his music videos on Fox right after In living Color or Martin would go off. Now, it's social media. Stop crying.

[@krayolablackbeatz]

THE GAME RIGGED THEY GIVE THE SPOT LIGHT TO WHO THEY WANT TO BE SEEN

[@zenzomasuku723]

Guys we on 1 million subscribers since 6 years ago we started the pod

[@emmalauriston4983]

Nicki was definitely blackballed. Her queen album wasn't even showing in the searches on Spotify, come on now

[@Rayniel]

Why was she blackballed?

[@LL-dj3uj]

I’m not a fan but it was definitely on Apple.

[@handz2k_]

That is 1 platform. When they release albums usually they go to everything . Apple , Spotify , KZbin , etc . Her music not showing up on Spotify don’t mean she was blackballed . Her fans could’ve easily went to the other platforms

[@soniadevlin487]

She was not blackballed

[@Darryldesiderium]

Tory lanez too has fans coz his numbers without support has been up..look at the Playboy album or the Daystar or alone at prom

[@peachjuice2730]

Lovelyti said the same thing but you know that, LovelyJoe😏… But for real, s/o to Cory Kenshin for putting YT on blast…

[@siloxxx]

The button🤔

[@justinholder2949]

Joe started this BBQ shit .. 1 0f the 20,000

[@arowefilms]

So basically you go on tour and get all these millions of ppl tapped in to your music who came for you but when the album drops u need the algorithm to support the music in order to get to your fans who are supposed to already know to look for your music off the strength of being your fans. The word of mouth. The media tour etc etc..we are not talking growing the audience but ur core.. If u were 2 albums in maybe but this far in the game maybe they just not rocking with you

[@dunc1652]

Prime example: Dave Chappelle

[@dariusmines]

The last 3 minutes of this video.

[@USVNI]

heavy gems in this episode....Black Culture based content has a cap unless its curated in such a way white American culture can gleam through it.

[@gilberto8712]

A Milli A Milli A Milli

[@rockeystl]

They stuck me in that black hole for sure! ▶️

[@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS]

F.D. Signifier has a video on exactly why this ceiling thing happens for black content creators

[@raymondreddington7402]

Black ball is not just streaming it's also venues, and if social media alters the algorithms then your posts push to anyone...if you got 300000 people following you, and you get pushed out, none of them wont see it

[@yonapops8062]

I CANT UNHEAR IT. ICE SOUND LIKE BEETLE JUICE

[@KariChapo]

Xxx was black balled but technically he wasn’t because he had fans that wanted to listen so they tried to but they couldn’t because real fans so russ is 100 percent correct

[@vicomtedevalmont1073]

Yes the industry (specifically media) tried to blackball X HARD. Artists fucked with him but couldn't publicly support, even after he died. NOWADAYS it's a bit different since the internet's hate for him has subsided a great deal in the public's conscience, but yes he very much was (and still is) 'blackballed' - but his crackhead fanbase + undeniable talent/influence made it utterly impossible for the industry to just blot him out. Artists with diehard fans will always eat + be successful without the 'industry'. Acts like X and the Griselda cats are great examples of that. Dababy has done nothing to curry favor + build a fanbase - nigga is just hostile and unapproachable. Why would anyone want to support him and his antics + bad music? Man's career was completely dependent on his sex appeal to white men + women💀

[@CoZzzyAnt]

Jbp podcast is almost unbearable it’s super industry now, and really safe takes.

[@soda8736]

the older I get the more I hate conspiracies..

[@AICUTBOXXX]

They have to make their fans subscribe to them or turn on post notifications.

[@dvntec6036]

Parks is hideous bro

[@user-qi9qo8qh5q]

Stop haten russ

[@user-qi9qo8qh5q]

Sore losers

[@TopflyghtTV]

Black balled means from the industry the machine etc.. not the fans. Russ tryna sound like he saying something

[@brytonmunro5270]

Because Russ is saying something. He’s telling artists to stop complaining when their streams are down because they don’t have real fans and rely on playlists that they don’t own and are created entirely based on the owners music preference. He simply didn’t make the cut because it’s not good enough, and because he doesn’t have a real fan base, he suffers and needs that. That’s it, that’s all.

[@DanielTyson1]

Joe need to talk spend a few days with Mr Beast. Mr Beast knows everything about youtube. Im sure with a few tips and tricks Joe's Channel can sky rocket again.

[@mindbully]

Joe quit speaking in code, bro. Shit ain’t that deep. It’s a game. Some figure it out; some don’t.

[@kutlwanoleburu259]

An these are organic subs

[@arlandoamb6754]

I definitely agree especially about the Rob O’Neill those are your biggest views on your channel they are in the millions to be honest I feel like white people are more supportive of people doing something I hate to say that especially as a black person but just go look at some of white peoples channel who do some of the same things that African-American KZbinrs do 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@coachsteelefinance]

Artist grow cold and scream bb smh

[@bighank672]

That's a very WHITE thing for him to say... but we dealing with a black man that spoke out about a community that have more right then regular society

[@brytonmunro5270]

That’s extremely small minded of you. It’s interesting how people still separate colour.

[@therawreport5202]

Black ball is real stop acting like you don’t know that Joe wth

[@LB-mi5wj]

No one cares about “black balled” what the name of those black sneakers Joe

[@1BadCompagnie]

Joe button

[@Theshortshowpodcast]

💯💯💯💯💯 -bigDEF😈😇

[@its2sum]

I already got black balls, don’t get the hype

[@VinnyWilk]

DaBaby is boring!

[@tmlobban]

Russ need to keep DaBaby name out his mouth for he get rocked

[@bigdick3531]

NA IT’S LBABY YOU FOOL😂

[@brytonmunro5270]

You really think so hey? Don’t think ya know Russ’s team and connections if you think that….