Russell Brand & Jordan Peterson Have Heated Gender Debate

I spoke to Professor Jordan Peterson about the reasons for his Twitter ban and his thoughts around the gender debate. #JordanPeterson #gender #debate
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[@jackedattack8781]

This was NOT heated. This was VERY respectful and thoughtful. Need more highly visible conversations like this as an example for a civil society EDIT: I humbly *thank you* for the thousands of likes! I am pleased a comment about civility and NOT tribalism rose to the top.

[@lazychemistry]

Having heated in the title gets clicks. I clicked thinking I was going to get something heated and not a serious discussion 🤪🍟

[@lazychemistry]

Alex Jones Vs Piers Morgan vid could be properly described as heated 🤣

[@jonathanrandall4140]

@omaemou Shind3iru Bullshit. He called a spade a spade, and showed genuine concern over a trend that is literally butchering, sterilizing and killing (40% suicide rate among pre ave post-op trans people) children and adults worldwide. I find people with your smug, simplistic and naive worldview disgusting. Grow up, child.

[@rahullihitkar8939]

I also expected heat but found none. Russell brands bar of heat is very low.

[@she_sings_delightful_things]

ABSOLUTELY.

[@RyanAustinDean]

This wasn’t heated… this was mutually respectful. And kudos to both of these great men for it.

[@chrisbova9686]

they tell us Jordan Peterson is 'heated' so as to draw the lines. Over that 'crazy heated line is too crazy and heated... which is truth... so by having a whitewasher jesus eddy currenter (everything leads back to the big evil and their big lie, but they got a new flavor) they tell those who are lightweight truth seekers what 'truth they seek, while those seeking the end of the rabbit hole find this half hearted at beast.

[@brascia101]

Agreed

[@lorenzoderogel7644]

I thought the same, I figured it was a click bait but they both have great things to say and do not require click baits 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@vladtheinhailer1428]

Click bait'y title.

[@Metaljesuslol]

click bait lol

[@AS-fu1kd]

People need to be able to disagree with eachother. I love this. Such an amazing conversation

[@sid7547]

People also need to be able to see beyond propaganda and pandering from a political party. Both are guilty, but the republicans are way worse.

[@raymond8746]

Might I add: without any hostility

[@masterost1994]

Peterstein is literally arguing that people who disagree with him on certain topics are demons that need to be censored in the very video you're posting on.

[@DaveGIS123]

Here's an example of two debaters disagreeing without being disagreeable.

[@WoziduranJahemter]

Understanding the real social issue regarding trans tantrums victimhood that seems like abusers but they are just scared and scarred kids: Regressive temporarely adopted copes using cognition in a reactive or defensive mode for protection and self preservation due to lack of proper orientation regarding career field, purpose, meaning and better humane treatment in public or social life that is usually very threatening, agressive and isolating for the meek weak and creative. Thus the bullied become somehow capable to adapt in order to avoid unecessary absurdistic imposings of society on them especially if they want to do something else and they aren't heard, listened or cared for in order to be properly educated, guided and helped for better allignings and attunings. Also they go for either excessive or total abstinence of sexual life in order to feel safe and bonded with someone that they can relate to their struggle of not being left to be creative, intuitive or inventive for things that fits betterly to their temperament and gifts. Truly strange indeed but it's an adaptation cope due to lack to inclusivity in a more holistic way and community, that's why those strange processes occur. Notice that the apparent demeanor of being that reactive will be temporary if better opportunities of genuine help will occur for elevation and appreciation of their real genuine talents, gifts and crafty capabilities.

[@hoobyhoo]

Thank you, both. This is exactly what kind of conversation that is missing in this country.

[@ryanelliott6706]

Russell: “Everybody should be affirmed and accepted even if you disagree. Not doing so is harmful.” Peterson: “Affirming some things do more harm than good. Acceptance isn’t compassion.” What I got out of this.

[@edflava4121]

They both make good points and bring perspective to the debate

[@KeraLab]

It's like "fatphobia". We should fight obesity with everything we got but attacking those already entrapped doesn't help the cause. On the other hand, celebrating obesity is the worst thing that you can do in a fight against the matter. Evil doers here would be the corporations(and truly ppl behind them - those should be jailed physically) and politicians doing their bidding... and then media doing the same.

[@Nous520]

Really? You weren’t listening properly if that’s ALL you got out of this clip

[@madhukiran4037]

In my opinion, towards the end, the conversation shifted to “tone” of how the message was conveyed (by JBP) and JBP did concede that his emotion (anger) in the way he put forward his point wasn’t ideal even though he believes he was semantically accurate. Great clip!

[@hockedad3585]

@@KeraLab I agree if Ellen had of kept her surgery to herself then she would not have influenced other easily influenced young girls ,its a no win arguement with confused people .

[@garethcraig8902]

This is what a mature discussion around controversial topics look like. No screaming and shouting just respectful discourse, respect to you both.

[@SCHaworth]

Agreed... (plus ultra)

[@vyger6336]

Two intelligent people having a conversation. How refreshing !!!

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

absolutely

[@williamdukeofnormandy1403]

Two intelligent humans having a conversation. There is hope for humanity.

[@mts7274]

Accepting what pedophiles [aka Minor Attracted People] desire is not intelligent. It's just acceptance.

[@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll]

One is carried by charisma that makes 99% of his speech of bullshit and the other one is 99% intelligence , reading books and papers. Russel thinks to highly of himself and im glad jordan pulled him down from a high horse.

[@joeevans266]

@@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll how did he pull him down? We just witnessed two adults with opposing views having an adult conversation, I think they were both lifted up by it. Stop picking sides and become part of the solution rather than the problem.

[@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll]

@@joeevans266 your/everyones whole life is picking sides fyi. U need this critical way of thinking because if we just say "well we should all be friends and accept everyone and their ideology" will end up in pure chaos.

[@joeevans266]

@@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll picking sides isn't critical thinking, listening to both sides and using that information to formulate your own opinion is critical thinking.

[@kathrynK303]

Two of my favorite men on KZbin, having a fantastic conversation that actually means something! Thank you both so much!

[@Fillitwithbreeemium]

This is how a debate is done. Respectfully and without interrupting each other. Great job, both of you. Excellent video, thank you.

[@SuperCollyDolly]

100% agreed. It’s like we are not allowed to have adult debates about the things that desperately need to discuss.

[@HolyCanoley]

To quote the average Jordan Peterson fanboy...."Post the full interview uninterrupted! You see all these jump cuts here?!? They took Jordan completely out of context!! Anything less is intellectual dishonesty!!"

[@brentbates2503]

LA LA LA LA... Ye was respectful to Morgan as well lol

[@caledonianelixir4702]

Check out the Caledonian elixir podcast

[@va941]

This is not a debate, this is a discussion.

[@BecauseReasonsReviews]

What's beautiful about this discussion is that neither man jumps in or interrupts the other. They both allow each other to finish their points and arguments in a very respectful way. I wish all debates and discussions, online or otherwise, are like this. Thank you to both gentlemen.

[@kartabs2]

Great point. This is something I am trying to work on myself. Terrible habit!

[@theresapelham1918]

Great observation and extremely important Bravo

[@chiritaalex]

elon musks handler is yoel roth

[@chrisballer2672]

This was clearly cut. Can't you see that?

[@taytalkstalkies]

Great and knowledgeable minds do not hide behind insecurity. Speaking over another is the clearest sign of insecurity.

[@joeevans266]

Two great minds. It's so refreshing seeing two people with opposing views having an adult conversation and both seeming to understand each others views. There's so much wrong in the world today but the fact that videos like this are becoming popular gives me hope for the future.

[@geminienergy]

Both gemini’s we rule mercury which is the planet of communication.

[@ejtattersall156]

Russel is not a great mind.

[@monkeyboynz]

Russell you really don’t stand up in this debate. You ‘feel’ a lot about a bunch of stuff, you say a lot about a lot of things, but damn its just a bunch of gibberish fella. Listen to the emotion between the two debaters, I know who has the level mind simply using that metric, then add the pseudo intellectual statements, you really are out of your depth here.

[@ejtattersall156]

@@monkeyboynz "You ‘feel’ a lot about a bunch of stuff, you say a lot about a lot of things, but damn its just a bunch of gibberish fella." That's how he is about everything.

[@inpugnaveritaas]

Great minds? You need to get out more.

[@Joe.D.780]

i like how unbiased Russel is when speaking to people, like he's sincerely considering other peoples perspectives.

[@thatright4985]

Can I just say how thankful I am that two men who clearly and genuinely CARE are able to discuss disagreements without reacting like wounded babies.

[@tonytravels2494]

Sure they care. How much is self interest though? Especially Russell?

[@AmanitaWoodrose]

Compared to pharma companies, for example, not much! We are allowed to have a little bit of self interest aren't we? Any suggestions on how else they could finance themselves whilst doing this work?

[@wearemany73]

PLEASE PLEASE let us have conversations like this and move away from "negative conflict" I love both of these guys.

[@joeshmoe7967]

We can still have negative conflict. One can vehemently disagree on an issue, get loud, get angry but still have a level of respect. There will be times when thing will get nasty, we are humans and it is part of our make up. Russel wants to make everything about 'love', he and I would disagree on that matter.

[@runeplate123]

Shaaaaat up

[@wearemany73]

@@joeshmoe7967 I see what you mean, maybe I should have said "toxic conflict"

[@emmizzie]

“We don’t know how emotions scale in an online environment” is actually very profound to me. I’ve always felt it whenever i think wrongful cancellations happen but I’ve never been able to put into words that feeling.

[@psychedelicspirituality]

Damn, I read your comment as Peterson said that same line...

[@rocknrollspartacus]

THIS, this right here is what the world needs more of, much more, two gentleman, who understand the human experience and want to do better for humankind. This was incredibly inspiring. Thank you both.

[@BigDaddyDru]

I wish I had friends capable of this level of dialogue. The civility. The depth. Mutual respect. These are the goals.

[@Winterdogmusic]

Me too!

[@BigDaddyDru]

@@Winterdogmusic how do you feel about capitalism? I like it. I think many people conflate cronyism with capitalism though which makes the whole conversation complicated. Cronyism will exist in any system.

[@flagbabygirl]

I do as well, wouldn’t this be amazing to engage in. I feel thankful to have witnessed this conversation.

[@downpeakmoore1265]

Couldn’t have said it better, or have wanted it more

[@veshaw.]

Can I be your friend 🥺🥺🥺

[@webbdad1248]

Both of you are great examples of how adults should have a discussion. No name calling, no screaming over the other person, no threats, no walking away,,,,,,just good intelligent conversation, listening and having an open mind. This video should be sent to every talk show and news outlet as a blueprint of how to communicate. It’s so simple,,,,why do people complicate things.

[@jeremypurola3332]

Right on, but shouldn't (and I think it has) the audience who are tired of watching uncommunicative talk shows and news outlets just move away from them and move over to watch these kinds of discussions? I certainly have and I have absolutely no appetite for news outlet/talk show discussions.

[@wren7195]

Well, going to reply to you because that stupid bot pisses me off. And I agree with you. This is the fundamental principle behind why free speech is important and must be protected: our rights to agree and to disagree must be protected and we must have enough respect for EACH OTHER to understand that we're not always going to agree. As you pointed out, disagreement doesn't have to lead to disrespect. "Tolerance" means "I don't agree with you, but I won't persecute you for it." There has been a massive attempt to change that recently, so that it now means "if you don't agree with me, you hate me and intend violence towards me." That's absurd. But when that sort of interpretation is bandied about on campus to where young folk know nothing else, you get this environment where dissent must be crushed, and all dissenters are haters. When we reach this sort of environment, where there are no TRUE "non-binaries," I.E. "opinions that aren't right or wrong, they just exist," then you're living in tyranny. Whether social or political (it'll be both, and is), if your personal opinion is somehow "dissent" simply for existing... well, there's a problem. *shakes her head tired* Take care dad, it's a pleasure to meet you, I wish you all the best

[@pantsdownbert]

most news outlets and talk shows already have their own views and beliefs for their audience and would try to dictate the outcome of the interview for the audience to agree with, that's how you would keep your viewing numbers up. that's why you would see most hosts would cut them off or talk over them to keep the outcome in their favor

[@TheRealTomSelleck]

Well said.

[@teoigi3247]

Definitely a lost art. Just beautiful seeing such art.

[@charitychatterson3754]

I enjoy listening to both Russel and Dr. Peterson. You both not only speak with common sense but with knowledge. Thank you!

[@stardust-rebel]

This is what I like to see. This was not an incoherent shouting match like we see in media. This was a snapshot of two intellectuals sorting out a problem. Keep at it, Mr Brand.

[@michaelhennessy5672]

This is exactly how a difficult conversation should be navigated. Congratulations to both of you for showing a path forward for discourse

[@michaelmeadows4883]

Notice how it doesn't deteriorate into bickering and name calling.

[@darryljuice9058]

Am impressed with the respect that Russell and Jordan showed each other. It’s possible that everyone walked away having learned something, and will meditate on the beauty of constructive conversation.

[@veronicav1779]

100%, but then these two individuals on are on the same side of the spectrum of Good and Evil

[@farvatron]

darry Russell made several attempts to attack Jordan's position, which he skilfully defended. Russell gracefully accepted defeat.

[@farvatron]

@@veronicav1779 I 100% agree

[@kristianjohnson8787]

You could see both had moments of clarity and receptiveness to the others’ points.

[@darryljuice9058]

@@kristianjohnson8787 Well said. These moments of clarity and concession are far too rare among humanity

[@takamatsuiki]

Having watched some Jordan Peterson talks recently, and having harbored a bit of anger at him, I want to say that this is such a cool conversation because I can see how both of you are trying, very honestly, to bring out the best qualities and to find that center line that you can both hang onto to be pulled forward. Keep doing this. Thank you Russell and Jordan, both.

[@krpurple2678]

No thanks to JP

[@alexzanderroberts995]

​@@krpurple2678 nerd

[@amihere383]

What has Peterson done that you would harbor anger towards him?

[@takamatsuiki]

@@amihere383 Mainly when he gets worked up magnifying capitalism as the most important value system, while ignoring (or belittling) other value systems in the world, ignoring varied sociological viewpoints, and then backing it all up with 'straw man' arguments, cherry picking stereotypical caricatures that don't actually represent the people he purports to be talking about. But hey, I understand, that this is probably not really his intention, it's just what we humans do when we get on a roll about something, and we all need to learn to lighten up ;-) Here, I enjoy how Russell was able to bring down Peterson's defense shields (with love and compassion) and they had a really nice, balanced, truthful conversation. We need more of that.

[@RayOpp1]

Definitely and it will harm his arguments. It could be the renewed religious dogma. Might go from a amazing logical debater to bully who only cares about righteous indignation

[@SwamiRabbi]

This is the most intelligent conversation I've heard in years. This conversation gives me hope for the human race...

[@AwfulDog1]

Don’t get too excited. These people are only two out of the human race!

[@chrisc9725]

Wow!! If this is the most intelligent conversation you've heard, I feel sorry for you and hope you come into a higher state of being and vibration where you can hear far superior conversations to this.

[@brandonbrown7312]

@@chrisc9725 fella said "higher state of being" 🤣🤣

[@bboysmith]

Hope.. I was thinking the same thing

[@SwamiRabbi]

@@chrisc9725 You talk about vibration but here you are with only insults and nothing constructive to add what so ever. A normal constructive human can disagree without insults and we tend to be specific about the points we disagree with, which produces positive and constructive debate. Cognitive dissonance will eventually cause you problems because the very act of commenting with these insults is contradictory to your statements

[@mickeyglenn8936]

The first sign of a great debate, expression of opinions,even if , totally opposite. You let the person speaking finish their thought. Kudos to Russell and JP. Respect. ❤️

[@Phil-eu2er]

You two have incredible dialogue with an extensive vocabulary. Showing what a true, respectful disagreement should look like. I hope to see more communication between you gentlemen.

[@LoneWolf4Life369]

I agree with you 100%. Such a wide variety of knowledge and intelligence.

[@stu0508]

I'm not so sure they disagree that much at all. JP's delivery can be brutal and i think that is all RB really disagrees with in this snippet anyway.

[@g7fitness]

Seeing two people actually allowing each other to finish speaking is what I appreciate the most here.

[@davidschwartz2763]

I really enjoy interactions like this because both make good points without letting ego block pertinence and rationale. Two of my favorite listens on one show was fabulous. Thanks, Russell and Jordan.

[@liamcasey6135]

It's crazy that we've reached the point where it actually feels weird to watch two people talk about something without either of them screeching and walking out of the interview

[@novix411]

Haha right, shows you how much we are overdue in changing the way we handle our differences.

[@Wally-jo8mf]

Neither are American born media figures 🤔

[@Breadking100]

That is nice, but in another way what I think is even more surprising is watching two prominent people in the social media sphere who are not simply jerking eachother off, fawming over the other and how amazing they are. Peterson in particular seems to get an almost cult like praise from his followers and he seems to have bought into it in recent years. Very happy to see Russel call him out here in a respectful way.

[@blogintonblakley2708]

It seems crazier that a guy with Jordan Peterson education thinks he can refer to demonic forces in a technical sense.

[@shirleychesterman3462]

Oh my goodness, my thoughts exactly. It is so abnormal nowadays to watch two people civilly conversing that it actually halts you in your tracks.

[@bobbymorris537]

Love is telling people the truth, standing up for what’s right, and forgiving people for being wrong.

[@buriedsecrets6210]

Oh shit....I'm out!!

[@screwbigtechsanti-sciencem9438]

Forgiveness is only for those who are remorseful and seek to make amends. If you forgive those who are not sorry then you enable evil to continue. It's okay to be wrong, but it's not okay to never admit fault and then expect forgiveness. Looking at all the government, media, experts, big pharma and health don't care industry. Never forget. Never forgive. For the children. Our love for them MUST trump ALL else or we deserve to die and not be forgiven. Ever!

[@ziggystardust7888]

They can forgive themselves in Prison !!!

[@atomwaffen7943]

Who's truth?

[@seniprime6693]

Forgiveness is for you not for the forgiven.

[@willac145]

Thank you both for showing people the correct way to have a conversation and debate topics with differing viewpoints. It’s really incredibly refreshing.

[@johanbollen4262]

Respectful, intelligent, adult conversation. Glad to see it.

[@TheamazingPK]

Absolutely beautiful debate. This is how debates should be! Please have Jordan Peterson back on asap! Love listening to both of you!

[@JimObsolete]

The problem being..the anti-human globalists will not debate (jab),they will just igore you.

[@ericmanget4280]

This wasn't a debate on transgender treatments at all. Russell just said Jordan was too mean but agreed with him.

[@philwalkercounselling]

perfectly said

[@philiprobison]

That was actually a very thoughtful, respectful discussion. The world needs more of this.

[@frank1es83]

jordan Peterson is a fool

[@noshh3916]

Very intelligently discussed by two very mature people. Inspiring and refreshing to watch two people with different opinions share their point of view without letting their ego step in to prove a point. My kind of debate. Valuable discussion from both.

[@philwalkercounselling]

What a fantastic conversation/debate. Two men I really respect trying to get to the truth of things.

[@buddydavies358]

The way you both handled yourselves makes it hard to believe you were even disagreeing based on the discourse we are used to. What a great show of respect and intelligence.

[@bailey-bobthorton1950]

These are two of the best going at it. Its a pleasure to watch.

[@maesterwillyofthehouseofboink]

What a great show indeed. 🙄 I wonder if I've been watching some AI deep fake of JP...Maybe he can ask Netanyahu what he would do with these anonymous accounts?

[@chrishoesing5455]

You took the words right outta my mouth. Saved me the time, thanks

[@edgardevice]

It's a shame he let Peterson mislead about the medical malpractice in the closing of the clinic.

[@DBProxy]

"when I see people being dismissive of you it upsets me" continues to ignore everything Jordon said.

[@ClaireCza]

They are able to debate because they have fundamentally true and good intentions behind their arguments. There's no sinister or selfish motive, they actually listen to each other. More of this please!

[@franklingoodwin]

Everyone thinks their intentions are good, because they think their thinking is right. That doesn't mean they are right. Everyone is the hero in their own story. Jordan Peterson does and says very questionable things. Just because he also says and does some good things doesn't mean that his intentions are good

[@cathyzimmerman9467]

Well said

[@irishvampyrestudios4020]

@@franklingoodwin Interesting. I'd better lock my front door then.....No goodcannutes ey. ^'..""^

[@cathyzimmerman9467]

@@franklingoodwin I believe the comment was about "intentions" not perfection

[@erostyderin4130]

Nope they’re both Gemini’s ♊️ It’s really not that deep.

[@lauras245]

Russell- the only person i've seen so far who has been able to get JP to self reflect.

[@laurarichey7439]

What a great conversation! This is the second time I have listened to two different conversations with the both of you. I enjoyed Jordan Peterson for the second time only because of your being with him. He seemed so much more relaxed and no angry or shouting. It was very interesting. I like your loving kindness and humour. Thanks for this.

[@mtj9929]

Such a fantastic debate. Shows how disagreement does not have to be disrespectful and become ugly. Love the example set for everyone.

[@longwing2011]

RB nick picking about JP anger emotion… unnecessary I think.

[@valeriebouchard7365]

Agree100%

[@jameswilliamson3507]

The very fact that this is not a heated debate, as headlined, but a thoughtful, respectful and measured debate speaks volumes about social media divisivness.

[@AndresSanchez-pp3ho]

Heated in that they are both actively using their brain and listening and speaking. Not just being violent and aggressive, think of steamy heated sex too…sometimes it’s soft and engaged not so monkey man…me Tarzan you Jane style.

[@casimiralexander]

Russel Brand himself titled this video.

[@crungefactory]

His assistant did, but yeah

[@vladrileynavilys]

I think it's fair to say that it's ok to use a little bit of a clickbait tactic when it's for the greater good of attracting people to watch what a true open conversation between 2 persons who respect each other but "disagree" is.

[@ibexdnb2879]

In away it is heated. It's a hot topic.

[@alteredscot]

This is a genuinely fascinating conversation. Fencing with statements, counter-arguments, and followed up by the odd analytical riposte, it's a great template of how respectful debates and conversations should be handled by all in the future.

[@Samantha-jo7im]

I genuinely appreciate this open and honest discussion

[@Nunayabiz4eva]

I love that these were so strong in their opinions, while still yielding to each other. Both acknowledged where each fell short, while beautifully holding each other up. We need more of these two being human and honest and showing us all how to do the same.

[@duellingscarguevara]

They have emotional maturity, unfortunately, most of the world does not?.

[@realscienceme]

They have both learned to tame their egos in debate among friends. Much more productive than when a journalist simply goes on the attack.

[@Varunic219]

The ego has risen with the rise of social media/technology. People who can suffer a blow to their ego and maintain reason are more needed than ever. We can't be slaves to our emotions and whims for much longer.

[@wctmlt]

A prime example of a respectful but true to their nature debate. This is how it is done people!!

[@JenniferAnnMcCaffrey]

Completely agree and I think it’s wonderful that they can both be very honest with each other and also offer each other feedback! A great example to us all 👏

[@ifly-fsx]

Jordan is right on this one.

[@andhewonders]

@@ifly-fsx They're both just lecturing us all.

[@cathyzimmerman9467]

​@@andhewonders You must have wanted to listen though

[@andhewonders]

@@cathyzimmerman9467 I listen to everything, what I'm saying is that after listening, those two set out to purposefully set an example, a training manual for people commenting on their channels, Jordan used a very broad sword in his vitriol against people with names like mine, but it doesn't really bother me,, unless platforms take on board his suggested censorship measures, censorship is what he's getting at isn't it?

[@prehensiledale1215]

Love this interaction. Thanks to Russell and Dr. Peterson.

[@alejoh90]

These two intelligent gentlemen refining each other is so refreshing to witness.

[@ernesto1888]

This discussion was a very beautiful sight, very well-articulated, leveled and respectful. We need to see more of this in the world.

[@julianfiacconi709]

You might want to follow KZbin channel “UnHerd” for more civil, relevant and interesting discussions, along with highly intellectual guests.

[@enriquesneffels3053]

@@julianfiacconi709 thanks.

[@jackeagleeye3453]

Two grifters, grifting in harmony.

[@larryapowers4287]

Two of my favorite online personalities. If only the rest of humanity could communicate as honestly as you two do the world would not be in the shape it is in.

[@riphub7250]

Truer words rarely spoken!

[@paulscottrayner4440]

But it is not truly honest. Jordan Peterson is pointing out that there is an agenda, and Russell Brand is just outright supporting that agenda out of 'compassion'. Why? Why not question the true motive before supporting regardless. If evil pushes an agenda do you just go along out of compassion? Jesus Christ says that to ignore or to go along with evil is to do evil. To not stand up and appose that evil is to go along with evil. What Russell said in his argument is wrong with that in mind. God created male and female. Full stop. Any agenda pushing other wise for public approval is not natural. No where else is nature is this agenda of 'more than' male and female pushed. It's Satanic and should be questioned as too it's true objective, agenda and nature.

[@susanaferreira2076]

So Nice.....this conversation. Thank you both of you. 🙏

[@karenkimsey7259]

I appreciate the opportunity to observe two very articulate gentlemen discussing conditions of society. Amazing.

[@Refugecentral]

This is what the world needs, props to you both for setting a standard of communicating for both of your huge audiences to observe.

[@paulnewell7722]

It’s refreshing and quite frankly it is inspiring.

[@_good_vibes_oasis]

💯

[@cctv5348]

The idea that trolls/losers should be excluded is a poor one. The great ability of the Internet is to give anons the ability to speak without being tied to their real life. Jordan Peterson has gone for the dehumanise and kill nonconformist personas strategy.

[@humblestumble497]

@@cctv5348 I couldn't believe that he said this. Your man seems to be missing more than hitting now adays :/

[@RabiesTheBeagle]

The world doesn't need anything from anyone sitting on their butt talking into a mic yo.

[@crikey6981]

This interview was enjoyable. Anger is not necessarily evil. Neither is happiness necessarily good.

[@user-ch7wn5fk8d]

Sounds like you've been reading the bible.

[@reidveryan9414]

It always comes down to the "why". Why are you angry? Why are you happy?

[@crikey6981]

@@user-ch7wn5fk8d Yes I have.

[@vicandvin]

How amazing that I can agree with mostly everything either side of the argument. Speaks to you both. Great discussion.

[@raffyc66]

Beautiful conversation. Thanks for sharing.

[@bry9372]

This was one of the most intellectual, well mannered, and respectful conversations regarding controversial topics that I have seen in a while. Kudos to Jordan and Russel.

[@BenK885]

Your comment touches me deeply, expresses perfectly what I felt, and gives me hope. Thank you 🙏

[@jeffbell9391]

Kudos to Russell and and iam sorry being a 🥫 for Peterson and this is my real name

[@zacharyjust5343]

@@GeoffJRC thank you

[@jannafolsom1069]

I absolutely loved this conversation. Both having respect for the other and their opinions. Both with the ability to vocalize and HEAR the others critics without being offended

[@chabadlubavitch7303]

They are both freemasons who work for the Rothschild family neither are your friend.

[@TheBlueskyson]

Yes, a very fiery interchange indeed. ty 4 vid boys.

[@ATOMedward]

both were humanized by this conversation. very encouraging to see.

[@vannagogh6725]

Truly honored to be able to listen to this dialog between 2 individuals I respect absolutely. Thanks to all involved in producing this gem!

[@thomashauer6804]

why is he suddenly for totalitarian control of speech

[@shooter853]

What has Russell brand done that he should have earned your "respect absolutely"? Jordan Peterson has earned that respect. That I understand.

[@vannagogh6725]

@@shooter853 Both compassionate highly ethical and honest communicators striving for the best for humanity.

[@maciejleszczynski48]

Its always good to see them both together in a healthy debate

[@maciejleszczynski48]

@@mostamazing4298 Yu too :)

[@maciejleszczynski48]

@Bully Maguire 🅥 XYZ :)

[@vincentsmith8328]

12 MILLION KZbin followers right here!!!

[@cremdilly7176]

you didn't even watch the video you people ruined the internet

[@AmariKhumalo]

I don't know about that. Peterson is king of a bigoted ableist racist, not a fan of him personally or other backwards thinking conservatives. Honestly, I feel like Republicans are ignorant hillbillies who can't get a clue and show off neanderthal thinking. To be fair the only thing tRUMP did that was good was release the covid vaccines which saved billions of lives and ended the pandemic. A lot of his MAGA cultists still have yet to get vaccinated though, if everyone would do their part covid would be over by now.

[@lorrainebuono8824]

Two of my favorite people!!I wish it were longer than 12 minutes. Two brilliant minds never afraid to look for improvement in how they handle things, mad respect for both of them! 💙 I love the way Russell takes such incredibly profound and exaggerated deep breaths during interviews. It always reminds me I don’t breathe near enough and it forces me to breath with him, haha! Breathing is good and so are JP and the stay free warrior, shame we can’t clone lots of them to watch out for us, we sure need it!!

[@rachelmae2087]

wholeheartedly believe the main reason this conversation was civil was because Russell leads with so much love and logic that it's damn near impossible to attack him. what a gem.

[@GMUTaylor6]

Agree. And a big part is because they generally agree about a lot of the most common social topics of conversation. Generally being on the same side of the core issues even if you disagree on the remedy allows people to hear others better without their defense mechanisms being on full alert. Put folks in a room with someone who disagrees on the core issue and you can expect a lot more friction and defensiveness even amongst the most rational thinkers.

[@davidcjupp]

@@GMUTaylor6 you have 100% fallen for Brands audience capture if you think that him and Peterson are on the same page on most issues. Russell Brand is and has been left wing on nearly everything and has been for over a decade. He just knows that most of his clicks come from the pandemic debate so is very very careful to gear his content toward right wing talking points and ensure he never commits to a position left enough to be ditched by 2/3 of his audience. He is very clever in that he has convinced the US audience that because he points out that the Democrats are guilty of many of the things the Republicans are attacked for, that he is somehow sympathetic to the right. He’s shrewd. It’s why I have lost respect for the channel. I am all for open debate and removing labels but not when that is used as a way of driving views and ad revenue. That is exactly what the MSM that he criticises so much does. His KZbin channel is disingenuous and it’s completely at odds with the man.

[@GMUTaylor6]

@@davidcjupp I have seen his content evolve over time much like Joe Rogan or even Lex. What I can't know is how much is audience capture vs changing opinions over time. I frankly don't listen to any of them too regularly anymore because some of their espoused opinions or areas of agreement with their guests are too shallow in their thinking given other past conversations where I have seen them think much deeper about an issue than simple surface level conclusions.

[@marisayanta4802]

Very personal and thoughtful conversation. There's so much to be gained from encouraging this kind of conversation. Much respect and thanks to you both!

[@mostamazing4298]

Hy

[@RemnantDiscipleLazzaro-Rev1217]

Not if you been around long enough one earth to know God teaches they will still end up second death qualified lest they truly repent.

[@ksteak27]

"Love cannot be reduced to compassion." -JP. Absolutely brilliant.

[@whirled_peas]

A truly brilliant statement that many need to hear and consider. It is inherently a liberal trait to do so, believing that acceptance/compassion is an ultimate virtue and all that love comprises. Which is why the understanding that humans are inherently fickle and at least self-centred leads to conservatism.

[@jacobnash9755]

@@whirled_peas exactly they tend to let their feelings lead instead of intelligent thought. They trust their feelings over thinking. That's why they align things that "feel" good with other things that are good. Compassion feels nice and if you love someone you want them to feel nice... so obviously if you love someone you show compassion... That's a shallow understanding of the concepts and is false. Yes if you love someone you WANT them to feel nice... but also if you love them you want them to be better off in control of their own life. You want them to be treated as equals and not as lesser people. Well that requires honesty. They have to know things to make choices to be in control and they have to know the truth to make good decisions. However the truth can hurt. It would be compassionate to save them from that hurt... at a cost of something far greater. Their freedom. That's what manipulation is... a way to enslave someone outside of fair trade without bonds or laws. If you have to manipulate them to save them from some hurt then you have taken their freedom. And is the hurt even worth it? Would you enslave your friend just so they don't learn that their outfit isn't attractive? Many do. Their friends and families freedom and control over their own individual lives is unimportant compared to the risk of hurting that relationship. I'd rather they keep being my friend than be mad at me. That's selfish. Not compassion. Helping someone up after they have been knocked down is compassion. Waiting for them is compassion. Keeping them safe from everything that could possibly hurt them is not compassion. Even if it's you that is doing whatever that makes them hurt.

[@kammonkam4905]

But there is no love without compassion. Maybe an abusive parent can use that as an excuse. He apparently needs to brush up his logic on necessary vs sufficient conditions. Besides no one seeks his love. Just leave people alone. He is only brilliant for the dim bulbs.

[@kammonkam4905]

@@jacobnash9755 long winded strawman.

[@jacobnash9755]

@@kammonkam4905 long winded false stament. You can have compassion without love and also love without compassion. There is nothing in their definitions that requires the other to be present. One would argue that the ultimate compassion is to show it to someone you do not have any love for. Also it is a very common theme in stories for parents to withhold compassion and punish their children harshly so that they won't make the same mistakes later when the world would likely kill them instead of just punishing them. You have wrongly conflated the two as I already described many to do. Obviously you shouldn't be suggesting that others need to brush up on logic when you fail at the most basic levels indicating that you have no basic understand of the meaning of logic.. Your entire line of reasoning is an excuse to be an extensigly emotionally abusive parent. Your "love" that requires compassion is not love. So you need to brush up on what love is. I love you that's why I try to control every aspect of your life out of compassion instead of supporting positive growth. That's not love. Love would require acceptance of how someone is diepite it being right or wrong. Your "love" does not contain requirements of love. You suggest (I take it) that Peterson is only "brilliant to the dim bulbs." Well the only error I can find with that is that it is a relative statment and YOU made it. Unless you were speaking from a point of view much much brighter than yourself, your relative statment is false. Objectfully it would be taken from the level of average intellect. Which would just make your statment a lie. I believe I am right to suggest that you are not so stupid as to make that "mistake." Maybe I am wrong and you are below average intellect and only posing with authority of knowing something... that's likely as your staments are very flawed... but I'm giving you the benifit of the doubt of being one of those that was above average but not enough to actually discern those far above yourself by their reasoning. You seem rather dim from my point of view and while compartive to myself I would not hold Peterson as brilliant, I can see no objection with holding him in such high regard compared to the common "above average" individual... most of whom seem pretty dim. I do not see myself as brilliant nor on Petersons level. He outpaces me. I just think brilliance is a gap of more than 10 by the measures of IQ (again as accepted my Mensa). Peterson is close to 160 I would guess. Maybe higher but I'm geared the same as he and I don't find anything he's said to be that enlightening. Only in his masterful use of descriptions and quick analogies do I find myself in awe. Not what he comes up with but how fast he can put it togeather and send it off in retort. However I'm intelligent enough to truly conceive of things smarter than myself. Idiots tend to know that fact without understanding while above average people tend to fail miserably at the concept. You fail at it. That's why it was easy to peg you. Ever so slightly above average but doesn't like to think when they think they don't have to.

[@Rich-in6ds]

What’s fantastic about this is that they both make good points and recognise when the other makes a valid argument. Quality debate.

[@tammyconnelly3324]

We need more of this. Respectful debate.

[@SoniasWay]

We need more intellectual and cultural debates like this in the public domain.

[@Eliminativ]

Watch Destiny's Channel and his version of Crowder's "Change my mind". He is doing a really really good job in debates and in bringing different camps together.

[@UnknownRex]

But we need less of Jordan Peterson's crusade against anonymity. I wonder, would he support the Samizdat not being anonymous in the old Soviet? While he is a help for many young lost souls, he is utterly clueless in other things, and it shows. Sometimes he is even part of the problem. Anonymity online is of utter importance if you are a dissident, or advocate for political change. Otherwise you might just lose your job, your bank account and your life. And most people are actually not trolls. Very sad to see him having put so little thought into it.

[@lukejones4129]

by intellectual you mean russel not peter over there

[@graveripper69]

They the authority will label this as "disinformation"

[@raptango_na6199]

Glenn Loury and John McWhorter have a great social commentary on The Glenn Show on YT

[@youve_got_buckleys]

I really like that these 2 guys can have a conversation like this publicly, the issues society is facing require people to work together with the common goal in mind of living our fellow humans

[@chanelgumienski7908]

Phenomenal conversation between two incredibly deep and thoughtful minds. I need to pay attention closely or I will miss something, they pack so much into their sentences!

[@TomLugo]

The fact that watching two people civically debating their somewhat opposing views is amazing to us, says more about us as a society than it says about their actual discussion. Russell Brand is giving us all a huge example. Politically, we couldn't disagree more, and yet here I am, listening to what he has to say and finding common ground. We need more people like him.

[@scottmccullough4267]

It seems to me that this is the major example of emotional vs logic with facts !

[@arunholy2941]

@@scottmccullough4267 I would say Jordan is also very emotional about this topic. He knew what he was doing when he tweeted that. But I understand why he did it and respect him for it. While Russell does seem to be a lot more emotional and not use logic and facts, he can’t dismiss emotion completely. We can’t deny a fundamental part of our human nature. Love and compassion and fundamental to living a properly human life.

[@mrdeanvincent]

@@arunholy2941 Huh, I thought the previous commenter probably meant Peterson was emotional and Brand brought the logic and facts.

[@anilorismith7946]

@ TextMe (w/Russell’s avatar above) Pathetic wannabe!

[@jeffdhatch]

What a fantastic conversation. Very refreshing to hear adults talk about such a charged and controversial subject with so much obvious desire to understand the other’s perspective. If only society could take a page from these gentlemen’s book and engage each other the same way.

[@imasavage3103]

I would love to hear these two modern day philosophers have another respectful conversation again soon.

[@SteveJud43]

I wish they would have touched on the difference between being nice and being kind. Christ was kind, not nice to make people feel good. Kindness is sometimes telling hard truths, niceness is sometimes lying to spare feelings, but hurts the person more in the long run. Be kind, not nice.

[@novix411]

This is what we want our culture to move to, respectful discussion that gives us an UNDERSTANDING of different viewpoints over a certain subject. What we see here is the future of how we as humans will handle our differences, (no need to solve the differences rather understand them, but solving them is still possible) and how we will debate and tackle issues in society. Very stoked!

[@yowanowich]

Agreed, this was truly inspiring, especially from the perspective of them actually challenging each other’s axioms and presuppositions. Sometimes, both Russel and Jordan start building their statements and arguments from some fundamental truism they never go back to examine (“as it goes without saying”, for them, I guess) but here they made each other look hard at their starting points and elaborate and explain their motivations and approach under each other’s sharp scrutiny. I believe they both came out of this clearer thinkers and better debaters.

[@attilavarkonyi7066]

Thank you for this discussion!

[@panaschopshop1799]

Gentlemen. Commendations on such a respectful, fascinating and passionate discussion.

[@georgeringopauljohn]

I can totally relate to JP. At 14 years old I felt I was too tall (5ft 9in) .tallest girl in the class . I was desperate to find a surgeon to operate on me so I could be shorter , I can laugh about it now , at the time I was very determined and very unhappy.

[@Journey_with_Jennie]

When debates are done like this you don’t feel the need to pick a side. You’re open to hearing both opinions. Imagine people of that level of maturity running the world.

[@pupdowg420]

I think these two are the perfect duo to speak of humanity.

[@nickthecarguy3016]

Very interesting watching two very different yet brilliant people discuss hot topics. Russel is one of the most well spoken, observant and articulate people. Jordan is a highly intelligent, educated and passionate person. Great clip

[@JustLovingLifeDude]

The internet needs more of this. Brilliant job, fellas!

[@sonidojamon]

The WHOLE WORLD, actually!

[@romanzamora2641]

Great to see two individuals having a civilized conversation. We need more of this even if you don't agree with the opposite side.

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

Peterson literally said that people with views he dislikes are demons. What would it take for you to see something as uncivilized???

[@skrrt-skrrt]

I see two men blatantly talking over women who have the most to lose from this ideology.

[@SolidSnake240]

that would require people to have common sense.

[@mrstupiduniverse731c]

@@SolidSnake240 I believe it will come with time, most likely we will see it when we near the end of our lives

[@kenmcphail1320]

@@SolidSnake240 and that's the biggest problem .

[@Yoohooyooohoooo]

Excellent, comprehensive discussion 🙌🏻

[@digitaldevil7522]

I don't always agree with Russell nor do I always agree with Peterson but I like them both. They both bring a lot to the table.

[@maryday6285]

I can truly appreciate how each person is allowed to express their opinion without the yelling obscenities or naming calling. Just common sense communication. It’s refreshing.

[@dangreen42021]

Some “journalists” should watch this. Well done by both men, no shouting over each other, just a respectful conversation! Love it!

[@MM-lp3gc]

My two favorite people. Love it. More please.

[@Pedigree24]

They both acknowleged each other as valuable and needed. They were respectful to each others opinions.

[@DemonitizeThis]

The brilliance here is two people who don’t see the issue the same, debating it, calmly, thoughtfully, intellectually not emotionally, while actually listening to each other and not interrupting each other. You can see and hear each of them learning from the other from a different perspective. Bravo

[@jeremypeter7430]

I think one of the biggest issues is we’re teaching kids to be what they want and not love who they are

[@clovellyliddle477]

Being trans is who they are

[@suras8984]

@@clovellyliddle477 Not true when you see so many detransitioning

[@clovellyliddle477]

@@suras8984 those ones aren't actually trans then are they?

[@naplzt4k]

@@clovellyliddle477 adults can say that but kids don't truly know who they are or what they want to be

[@jayfaulkner2602]

Some people can't love who they are. It ain't that simple. Letting people do whatever they want in their own realm as long as it doesn't affect you is simple.

[@Soyouareseparated]

This is one of the most respectful discussions I have ever seen..heated is not the right word..I love Russell Brand and I love Jordan Peterson...This discussion was more about what is the best way to get your point across when it's a passionate issue..totally enjoyed this video

[@neilwallace9486]

Subscribed to Rumble-same exact video clip

[@2HatHudders]

I wouldn't say this was heated, this was a thoughtful debate and I'm here for it.

[@bpro3762]

"heated" in title was there to move it up in the algorithm's sensational rating - An unfortunate byproduct of online metrics that would leave us all watching kitten and puppy videos if not used to create the dramatic impact to move it up the ratings. Oops - quick edit to disclaim that I have nothing against kitten and puppy videos - they most certainly have their place for happy moment needs.

[@2HatHudders]

@@bpro3762 I agree, I don't believe they should be playing the algorithm game. Plenty of subscribers!

[@bpro3762]

@@2HatHudders I don't like it much, yet an unfortunate 'evil' as the algorithm game helps attract new viewers who would otherwise not get the benefit of the content as we subscribers do. So it helps get good content to more folk for all to benefit. Pleased to have met you sir. - Bern -

[@scottnyc6572]

I agree,far from heated but rather constructive

[@goodjuju4531]

Russell, don't push your religion on us OR your gender views. Keep the channel neutral. You just lost one subscriber. bud. Peace

[@weslantz1977]

Without inputting any personal beliefs I thought this was an extremely well done interview. Neither side was cutting each other off mid sentence, and both sides were answering each other's argument without just restating their own side. Really well done both by Russell and Jordan.

[@annaliebisme]

This was good for the soul. We need more of this (sanity and maturity)

[@iampennylane777]

if only the republicans and democrats had this type of dialogue. i would respect them if that was the case, now i think both are complete fraud!

[@SpencerBRandall]

2 great minds. It's fascinating to watch them converse.

[@shirleychesterman3462]

I absolutely love that these two men have come together in conversation. They are the two voices I have listened to most over the past 2 1/2 years. Basically since Covid hit our shores. They are vastly different personalities with entirely differing expressions of communication. One is tongue in cheek (but definitely not lacking intellect), the other intense and serious. The fact that they are conversing together gives me great hope during a social era where conversation is largely a lost social norm. Too much preaching/being talked at, too much hate, too much judging and too much one sided perspectives. I also love that Russel can challenge Jordan (a very formidable persona) but do so in a way that doesn’t condemn or judge. “Do you think…” We need that more in our interactions with people rather than the chest beating “I think…” Thank you Jordan and Russel for this dynamic chit chat.

[@jamesdavidson7335]

Wonderful orators, both of them 🙂

[@FOURTEEFIVE]

I really enjoyed their first talk, or perhaps it was their second, I recommend checking it out.

[@lottielane2486]

Yes. Wonderful to see JP on Russell Brand again. I watch JP a lot. He always has something of relevance to say.

[@tonytravels2494]

Well isn't that lovely

[@gw8331]

I like how Jordan called him out for basically being the same as him just in a more joking sarcastic / insincere manner. The thing is. Ultimately Jordan is right... however He could have a gentler presentation which might attract a wider range of listeners.. however He is not wrong in any sense of the word. His principles are sound. I'd rather Jordan be a little coarse in standing for truth than be passive or not stand at all when someone pushes an immoral narrative into the public arena.

[@rosemarykelley3078]

I love these discussions. Lovely, useful, respectful: what more can I say? God BLESS you both.

[@vincentsmith8328]

12 MILLION KZbin followers right here!!!

[@hill0532]

It's not "heated". It's simply a great discussion.

[@susanmyers4029]

This is absolutely fascinating to watch two absolute Giants (& geniuses) of the spoken word navigating the debate of critical diplomacy ♥️ it doesn’t get much better than this !!!

[@Mawds69]

A debate between 2 of my favourite people, whilst also both being highly intelligent, and also agreeing with everything said, is such a joy to watch. Thank you.