Russia Is Taking Cannons from BMP-1s to Make Infantry Support Guns

The 2A28 Grom is the main armament of the BMP-1, it is essentially a 73mm recoilless gun, in the last six months there have been a series of sightings of Russian troops testing 2A28s which have been dismounted from vehicles and mounted on craft-made or repurposed carriages for use as infantry support guns.
Correction: I said recoilless gun, I should have said low pressure gun!
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[@TheArmourersBench]

Correction: I said recoilless gun, I should have said low pressure gun! Thanks for watching guys, dont forget to check out the accompanying article for this video here - armourersbench.com/2024/10/13/dismounted-2a28s-as-improvised-support-guns. Thanks - Matt

[@IvanBaturaChannel]

Also "a variety of rounds from HE to HEAT" - that's the only two types that it can fire. Only two.

[@TheArmourersBench]

@@IvanBaturaChannel HEAT and HE fragmentation are pretty different 👍

[@IvanBaturaChannel]

​@@TheArmourersBenchI mean, calling two types "a variety" sounds funny

[@TheArmourersBench]

@@IvanBaturaChannel Appreciate that. Can't always be perfect!

[@FyodorUshakovSuka]

Yes. Recoillesgun in tank means a suicide! So it was dummy but fun mistake.😇

[@nay1454]

Died in 1945, born in 2024, Welcome back 5-cm-Pak 38

[@ratagris21]

Ja not as Gut!!!

[@hazel5092]

*german gasp* dont beschmutz our Engineering like that

[@Donner906]

@@ratagris21 Shut up and give the Ukrainians more tanks.

[@alkozayats]

@@Donner906 разве что тебе за щеку ))

[@stennan]

​@@hazel5092plenty of desperate wunderwaffe during that war. In line with Russian redneck engineering, AKA Smekalka.

[@rickb1973]

Its a 73mm low-pressure gun, but its not recoilless at all. There are big differences between a 2A28 and a true recoilless rifle and the ammunition each gun uses.

[@TheArmourersBench]

No that's a fair point, no venturi etc. What I should have said is for practical purposes it more a low pressure gun rather than recoilless.

[@MrHws5mp]

@@TheArmourersBench If I understand it correctly, the anti-tank rounds it fires are rocket-assisted, so it functions a bit like a closed-breech RPG-7. A small propellant charge launches the round downrange, then a rocket takes over to propel it further. It has a reputation for low accuracy, which is probably due to this system. Having said that, it's probably safer to use on the field mount than in the BMP, whose autoloader is notorious for amputating careless gunners' arms. The picture you showed on the source vehicle for the cut-down turret version was a BMD-1, not a BMP-1: they both had the same gun in (I think) the same turret, or a very similar one.

[@boocomban]

​@@MrHws5mpNo, BMP-1 uses the same ammunition with the SPG-9 recoilless rifle. Just with less propellant charge.

[@BalbazaktheGreat]

Thank you, I was very confused for a moment.

[@prfwrx2497]

2A28 gun fires the same warhead as SPG-9 with a much reduced propellant charge due to the closed breech. No, you can't mod a SPG 9 ammo to fit a 2A28. The ammo is fixed, not semi-fixed.

[@quiteindeed6809]

I like the advanced hearing protection they are using. The good ol look away and cover one ear approach.

[@gtewewrrrrrr]

MAWP

[@CalgarGTX]

Not like they are gonna live long enough for tinitus to be an issue

[@avilhelm1697]

A tried and tested method often combined with the "Safety Squints" eye protection.

[@trashtrashisfree]

Not in the Russian budget.

[@jon9021]

Not to worry…surviving in combat for around 15 minutes max should solve that issue!

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

This is truly turning into a Mad Max war.

[@Past10Performance]

Any war that goes on long enough will

[@gawkthimm6030]

Russia the second best army in Russia...

[@alexnderrrthewoke4479]

Nope. Now its first best army in the world as they winning in ukraine. ​@@gawkthimm6030

[@dx-ek4vr]

Mostly for the Russians though. Weapons-wise, Ukrainians are eating good, even if it’s being drip-fed

[@rhetorical1488]

@@gawkthimm6030 industrial copium from pronoun warriors is hilarious. Not an original thought to be had.

[@harrym740]

These are the russian version of: "Your loss of hearing is not service related."

[@ratagris21]

What???? 🤣

[@rhetorical1488]

lol like the depleted uranium shells did not cause you cancer

[@juhalampola1954]

@@ratagris21 He said "YOUR LOSS OF HEARING IS NOT **wheeze** SERVICE RELATED," sir.

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@juhalampola1954WHAT DID YOU SAY? MY EARS GOT DESTROYED ALSO IF I WERE YOU I WOULDNT STAND THIS NEAR THE FIELD GUN

[@Geoduck.]

They won't be around that long......

[@T.efpunkt]

The main problem i see with these carriages, no matter if taken from a mortar system or self manufactured, is that they are not designed for the direction of recoil these guns have. This creates extreme inaccuracy after the first shot and will probably shake the whole construction loose over time.

[@fastestdino2]

yeah, likely they can't hold a zero very well. maybe they don't need to.

[@serch3ster]

Those are carriages from Anti Tank guns.

[@T.efpunkt]

@@serch3ster anti tank gun carriages usually come with a shield in the front, are way more rigid and have the gun mounted much closer to the center of gravity. That way the whole thing doesn't jump up a entire foot every time it's fired. (Edit: also anti tank guns are a thing of the past, today infantry uses ATGM in this role)

[@toolbaggers]

This is why the one gunner re-aimed after each shot.

[@jhonbus]

I don't fancy those welds attaching the legs to the turret ring lasting especially long, either. But I suppose none of this is the point really; they're putting parts to use that would otherwise be unusable. Better than nothing doesn't have to be _much_ better to still be better.

[@mdaaaa1211]

They need Toyota pickups

[@TheArmourersBench]

They have Ugaz!

[@bingus_the_dongus]

but a toyota hit diffrent​@@TheArmourersBench

[@censoredbybigbrother1175]

Toyota is the victory wagon!

[@stariyczedun]

@@TheArmourersBench it's called UAZ. I grew up in the town where it's produced and spent my childhood in this piece of shit car. Truly awful ergonomics and hogs gasoline like crazy. It was never shipped ready to use from the factory, always needed repairs from the start. I've been told current quality standards on the factory are even lower.

[@exploatores]

It looks like tecnicals would be a improvement. what ever they are based on.

[@dfan7019]

Finally, rare footage of the 214 Separate Gopnik Brigade's artillery section in action.

[@Dicka899]

this entire war can be set to bandit radio from stalker and it would fit perfectly

[@unebkarnn4842]

Unconfirmed rumors state that russian soldiers have started painting their bmp's red so they can drive faster and dodge enemy fire

[@BlackWolf18C]

'Ere we go! 'Ere we go! 'Ere we go!

[@camrensmith2746]

MOR' DAKKA

[@greenybird7132]

Don’t forget a racing stripe. Those add a TON of horsepower.

[@shawnbres9160]

"seems legit"

[@raiden5176]

3 times the speed of normal bmp

[@zbyszanna]

"Combined arms" - yeah, that sounds about right.

[@c0ldsh0w3r]

Combined Arms a la Elden Ring

[@sebbonxxsebbon6824]

"Pathetic" comes to mind. Scratching the bottom of the barrel for weapons.

[@firenado1674]

they all they hear is dinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

[@dervish6970]

@@sebbonxxsebbon6824 not really, not a russian specific thing, more ukrainian frankensteins than russian ones.

[@bthsr7113]

@@dervish6970 Ukraine is the smaller country making do with inconsistent aid packages and whatever they have, locally make, or salvage. What's Russia's excuse?

[@Maverick-gg2do]

Honestly, this wouldn't be half bad as a defending emplacement. Camouflaged in a dugout, or emplaced in a bunker, and supported by machineguns, it'd probably be a pretty decent infantry support gun. If they fiddle with the elevation or get the trails down in a ditch, you could use them as budget mortars too.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Anything near the front is drone bait.

[@Maverick-gg2do]

@Kyle-sr6jm I mean, yeah. That's a given. It's a lot more compact than a BMP, though, and easier to camoflage and hide. Anything that can't hide from drones tends to die to them eventually anyway. Worst case scenario, though, and it gets hit by a drone. It would only have been manned by 1 or 2 guys. Basically similar to a static machinegun in some ways.

[@josephjackson9679]

​@@Maverick-gg2do Ive seen Ukrainian drones specifically destroy PKMs, even ones camouflaged to hide their positions. Drones are excellent at finding hidden gun emplacements and accurately dropping munitions that will ruin whatever its found, not to mention how the ammo for these is going to be a lot more obvious and vulnerable than belt boxes of 7.62

[@PrimarchX]

When Home Depot goes to war...

[@osmacar5331]

so warfare?

[@123456qwful]

At least it not a pirate cannon like what the Syrian did😂

[@osmacar5331]

@@123456qwful say what you want, that is still hilarious.

[@TheGesox]

​@@123456qwful i find their trebuchet constructions more impressive.

[@Elongated_Muskrat]

We going back to the Napoleonic Wars now.

[@timmccarthy982]

The Russians aren't their Artillery First Doctrine for 200 Years

[@wolfgangkranek376]

In every war soldiers find their own improvised solutions.

[@Iliya117]

Its still kills people

[@t_broek]

the guy firin' pretending like one finger near one ear is enough to not get hearing damage lol

[@patrikpuskas1711]

You have to be kind of insane to fight on the russian side to begin with.

[@vsvnrg3263]

he's just proving how tough he is. i bet he's so tough that he crunches the bubbles in his lemonade too.

[@The_CGA]

In fairness this low velocity gun may not make (as much) noise but ffs you CAN wear ear protection so why noy

[@d3nza482]

It's not like he'll ever need that sense in the proud old age of like... 45. Life expectancy for men in Russia was 64.7 years - before the war. Women live 11 years longer on average, with the gap starting at around 30 years. I.e. Even though there are 105 boys born to every 100 girls in Russia, by the age of 30, about 6 of those boys will be dead. Again... before hundreds of thousands were sent to war. Plenty of room to get worse though. Back in '94 male life expectancy was 57.4 years, women outliving them by 13.7 years. That same year Russia hit peak alcohol consumption. Coinkidink? You be the judge.

[@vsvnrg3263]

@@The_CGA , its something that goes bang and its in russia so failures are a possible option. it is safer to stay away from the breech.

[@richbattaglia5350]

In theory this sounds useful, but looking at the flimsy welding and how the entire chassis moves after the first shot, this looks more like drone bait.

[@oz314]

I'd agree with you if it wasn't for Russias EW jamming systems that cover the entire front line but what's interesting is Russia is now using fibre optic wire guided drones so you cannot jam them, Ukraine is yet to adopt such technology for their drones.

[@AlphaHorst]

"Russias EW jamming systems covering the entire front" except taht that is absolutely not teh cae as we see daily. Russias jammers so far have not prevented strikes even directly on te jammer itself or any vehicle carrying it. Ukraine captured T90s equipped with that system after they hit them with their drones... Russias jamming is at best a 50/50 "fibre optic wire guided drones" just stringing words along does not create meaning. What is a "fibre optic" ? A cable, a VERY faragile capble. So if it is "fibre optic guided" wire is unneded as fibre optic is already a cable. Its like saying "Cable wire" or "wire cable", a wire controlled drone is also called "ATGM" and has been around for decades. Some famous ones are the TOW and MILAN. And lasty, as mentioned above, "fibre optic" cables are VERY fragile. It is literally impossible to steer a drone from the ground using such cables because they would literally fracture into a million pieces the second the dangling wire hist a tree, the ground or a faling leafe. Then there is the fact that there is absolutely no need to use the most expensive kind of wire in the world for sth as low bandwith as a GoPro film and some rudemantary controlls. A normal tin wire could do the job let alone a copper or aluminium one. In short your "Fibre optic wire controlled drone" is a gimmik with limited range and versatility, it also drastically increases the price of each drone for very little benefit. Hence why so far there have been no more than 4 sightings of such drones 3 crashed due to a broken cable... Also ukraine tested a similar drone, or rather still is and the max range of that is 1km, or around 1/10 of the shortest range drone in use by both forces and considering that the fronts are between 1km and 4km appart the useability of such a short range weapon has to be questioned ​@@oz314

[@m16-a2]

@@AlphaHorst "Russias jamming is at best a 50/50" Not true, there has been a significant decrease in Ukrainian drone strikes due to Russian EW equipment.

[@AlphaHorst]

@@m16-a2 so a possible 50% is not significant? In what kinda world do you live?

[@m16-a2]

@@AlphaHorst 50% is significant, yes, but its more than 50%.

[@mfournier8033]

How many rounds down range before those farmer welds let go ffs?

[@lukahutinski9075]

at least 10. after that its unexplored territory

[@alperakyuz9702]

Eh...they will probably get taken out by a drone dropping a 40mm grenade before they reach 10 rounds.

[@osmacar5331]

@@alperakyuz9702 a simple jammer module makes them useless.

[@dsfs17987]

@@osmacar5331 right, so that is why see plenty of large artillery guns with cross holes in their barrels from drones using shaped charges on them... meaning if invaders can't protect those guns, then they most certainly won't be able to supply these with jammers

[@osmacar5331]

@@dsfs17987 ok slavatard.

[@kusuma6852]

Towed guns have one advantage: you can run away from them and come back later if you're targeted by counterbattery fire. A BMP-1 can't scatter itself across a football field without exploding first

[@EggwardEgghands]

You're underestimating the power of Russian gear falling apart.

[@jsnldn]

@@EggwardEgghands seems to be working fine considering the Donetsk front is falling apart.

[@alltat]

@@jsnldn Tell that to the people on the Kursk front.

[@SgtBeltfed]

With the extremely short range and long setup time, these things will probably get spotted before they setup, and the counter battery fire will arrive while they're firing their first rounds. Worse still, these things are well within range of FPV drones, so having one fly into the pile of ammo is going to suck.

[@34ccsn]

And these are already there and there is a massive amount of ammo stored for them. Brilliant.

[@Wayzor_]

They need more duct tape.

[@TylerHarris-yy7uf]

They need more spray foam

[@terok1711]

And proper boots. 😅

[@LukSter18998]

they need to paint it red and green while they’re at it

[@cruzmizzl]

'Car Tape' from SNL's 'Black Jeopardy' 😂😂😢 Go Dougski ! Go Dougski !

[@iamt_tl]

their granddad or great-granddad must be thinking "Oh god, what marvellous weapons we had during the great patriotic war! We had gun shields and recoil springs back then! My grandson / great grandson is so much braver to be fighting in 2024!"

[@thearpox7873]

Granddad, we can't afford heating anymore. Have you considered signing a contract?

[@johnclay2716]

Russia in 2014 drops hundreds of FABs from the sky on Ukrainian positions weekly

[@Ricky-oc4xc]

@@thearpox7873 Sound like a pensioner in UK tbh

[@nikolaideianov5092]

​@@johnclay2716 su 34 that got shot down by ukranain f16 yesterday would like to add that it had a high cost

[@noname-sz4br]

@@nikolaideianov5092 "ukranain f16" sounds wierd

[@peterstadlmaier3107]

That type with the cut-off cupola is just a deathtrap. It doesn't even have sights and the ring prevents the gunner from leaving the gun when shit hits the fan.

[@RyTrapp0]

TAB and Perun uploads, nice start to this Sunday

[@jsnldn]

make sure to catch Zelensky's unveiling of his victory plan and the reaction of his Western overlords too. it's gonna be sweet.😂

[@WhoThisMonkey]

"Here is your tank comrade!" "This is just the main gun?" "You must take the rest from your fallen comrades!"

[@mehmeh1999]

Many of these weapons aren't actually going to be used. It's just multiple units fucking about with salvaged weapons and ammo. It's a sort of mini competition of making the most ridiculous thing that could possibly work. Essentially a range toy competition 😂

[@TheArmourersBench]

I want to know who the winner is

[@mehmeh1999]

@@TheArmourersBench The prize is usually armor piercing or incendiary bullets.

[@cp4512]

@@mehmeh1999 naah fella, Russia really is that desperate. They don’t have the time or spare resources just to play around whilst they’re being slaughtered.

[@Wafflepudding]

Any evidence or...?

[@mehmeh1999]

@@Wafflepudding Buddies over there.

[@capnstewy55]

This falls under the category of its better to have any artillery than none.

[@aizseeker3622]

Every squads get their own artillery.

[@somerandofilipino6957]

This is the most reliablitiy I've seen in a BMP cannon, that's for sure.

[@piotrd.4850]

With semi-auto loader gone - why not?

[@aziris7257]

Man, that guy's gonna be guarding a door one day and say, "I used to be a soldier like you, then I fired a 2A28 twenty times."

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

the turret ring tripod looks like a shade turret from Halo CE

[@28282222]

500 yard range. That’s definetly in range of ww2 rifle rounds like .308 and 7.62x51 and I’m thinking even assault rifles like 5.56 and 7.62 x 39?

[@monkeychief-nk7se]

yes

[@АлексейГордеев-п1н]

Me: Mom, i need artillery Mom: We have artillery at home Artillery at home: "photo of this gun"

[@pacivalmuller9333]

Well it is not artillery

[@Ospray3151]

@@pacivalmuller9333 I think that is the point? 😉

[@pacivalmuller9333]

@@Ospray3151 If something is not artillery and is not intented to be used at as artillery?

[@Ospray3151]

@@pacivalmuller9333 yes its not artillery, that is the whole point of the joke

[@IvanTre]

I've heard people complain the gun is somewhat..inaccurate.

[@kawaiiarchive357]

As a species we're evolving backwards yet forwards.

[@dexexmachinatu4151]

Ah yes, the discount SPG-9

[@logical_bystander2951]

i came here specifically to mention it isnt really that new of a concept, the soviet union already did basically this same thing.

[@goiterlanternbase]

Russia is already fighting an post apocalyptic war🤣

[@donhansen5677]

That's actually very smart of them.

[@johnsmith-jq1uc]

sir, i believe it is low recoil rather than recoilless.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Yes, I should have said low pressure or low recoil. My mistake. Thanks for watching!

[@johnsmith-jq1uc]

@@TheArmourersBenchnp, love the vids. far better than any of us commenters could ever make.

[@TheArmourersBench]

@@johnsmith-jq1uc thank you, appreciate you watching!!

[@prvt.harumi6821]

To be honest , if it works it works

[@АлексейГордеев-п1н]

Muskets work too.

[@joostdriesens3984]

It doesn't work.

[@prvt.harumi6821]

@@АлексейГордеев-п1н not against people with most their body coverd in body armor

[@prvt.harumi6821]

@@joostdriesens3984 apparently it does

[@alexdemoya2119]

In the modern drone heavy battlefield a short range small caliber cannon like this is basically a way to attract the robot that will lead to your early demise. It doesn't 'work', its a stopgap measure done by an increasingly desperate dying wannabe empire.

[@dauzlee2827]

I've seen this some months ago and only once. I dont think they would actively use that in the front, the gun is known for being inaccurate even as a AFV armaments plus they still have large numbers of RPGs, SPG-9 and etc others that are way more effective than this.

[@stirfrywok2927]

I loved the attention to detail those guys with the trailer mounted 'solution', it was really well thought out. The turret ring and lack of any kind of cover makes it look like a potential death trap if they came under fire. Fascinating, though

[@Tonyx.yt.]

this thing is supposed to be hide inside a treeline or in the bushes

[@comentedonakeyboard]

The Arsenal of a "Superpower"

[@paulhickie6974]

I think these people who making these guns are the DPR and the LPR from eastern Ukraine.

[@rhetorical1488]

Civilian Militia. exactly

[@Ricky-oc4xc]

Yes, that seems likely, they are more of a milita-style, average Russian soldiers would likely not be allowed to play around like that.

[@bobimarker1]

yes, guy who was shooting at first video definitely slavic..

[@CapnDan57]

Tanks again, Matt! These guys are just trying to keep busy, so they don't get sent up front. Though it is a way to use up old ammo.

[@connormclernon26]

Russians would call this smekalka. Most everyone else would call it desperation

[@toolbaggers]

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. It's known as "MacGyvering" in the west.

[@Niitroxyde]

I call it make use of everything you can get. Also called ingenuity. That's how you get roof cages, turtle tanks and so on. Sure, from a Westerner point of view it looks crude and unrefined. But in reality as long as it works, that's good. That's the kind of mentality that won the largest war in human history, after all.

[@Spectre4490]

This is shiza (schizophrenia), people try to assemble any type of gun of the shit to kill other people because some of the politicians say so

[@mnk9073]

Desperation is a strong word given how America lost literally all wars fought against flip-flop-wearing, technical-driving, improvised weapons-wielding enemies... If it's stupid but works then it's not stupid.

[@PureHeavenlySultan]

Is that what you got from this? What happened to the UA Kursk offensive? Julien Ropeke said it hasn’t met any of its goals yet.

[@heerosanosyuy1173]

😂 Bringing it back old-school with that set-up! Watch out!

[@Madchefred]

Emotional Support Gun. Makes the infantry feel like they have fire support but in reality it is a drone and arty magnet regardless of it's emplacement.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

It is where you put the FNGs so the rest of the squad doesn't get a drone.

[@WhatIsLove170]

That one where they just took the turret and had the gunner sit in the middle makes me so nervous watching lol. So close to it, if that thing dings when it recoils, its gonna hurt bad.

[@rubenskiii]

It's probably the idea of actually having some sort of Artillery that gives the soldiers more peace of mind. I am sure they have a function but as you pointed out, their range and accuracy compared to their size and lack of mobility makes it so that many, many things can touch these pieces but they can't reach back... If they mounted these things on verhicles like pick-ups they might have something that can apply quick firing support from close range.

[@guntera3845]

Yeah I wonder if someone has tried to make an armored version of that. That sounds like a really good idea.

[@alicelund147]

They took them from vehicles, they where on vehicles originally.

[@weronikazalewska2098]

They would be far more effective in defence I think but you are right-with some sort of transport their use as fire support could be as useful as mortars, or even more so in that they can do direct fire on armoured vehicles reliably. Tow it behind an APC/IFV or other troop carriers and while the infantry gets out to attack you can use it to suppress strong points.

[@copter2000]

Maybe they should mount this on a tank, also have some extra space for troops carrying in the back. Wait a minute...

[@SrCoxas]

@@alicelund147 a pickup truck has way more speed and versatility than an old BMP, that's the point

[@billyteflon1322]

I can say, stuff like this tends to make a difference. I've worked with a unit like this. If you need to bring an ungodly amount of Dakka on a target, you want Sîlah Grand around. The most impressive weapon I've seen was an old ack ack gun mounted on a flatbed.

[@nortyfiner]

To my eyes, it seems like they're trying to fill the same niche as the WW1 French 75 or WW2 pack howitzers. A light field gun or infantry gun with better mobility and use in direct low-angle fire than larger howitzers.

[@АлексейГордеев-п1н]

For this task they must have mortar like 2B9.

[@weronikazalewska2098]

Interesting you say that as I always thought something like this in world war one could have made a huge difference in the attack (and when tanks got reliable they did make a huge difference)

[@Squee7e]

​@weronikazalewska2098 this contraption wouldn't have been of any value during WW1 because the battlefield was already saturated by artillery of much bigger caliber. The BMP-1 in working order would've been a game changer though 😂

[@donwyoming1936]

Ladies & gentlemen, the 2nd best army in the world.

[@mnk9073]

Remember how we welded every piece of junk we could find to our Humvees? The days of the Hillbilly armor? Yeah, I do...

[@СветославТасев]

If only the 1st best could be as innovative as the 2nd best, it wouldn't be defeated by a bunch of shepherds with RPGs in Afghanistan.

[@d3nza482]

2nd best army in Ukraine.

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

@@d3nza482 kek, is that why ukraine, despite getting infinite amounts of money from the west and weaponry from more than 42 countries still "advances" backwards while the russians cowardly retreat forwards ?

[@СветославТасев]

@@d3nza482 the 2nd best army in Ukraine is winning the war in Ukraine. the 1st best in the world lost the war in Afghanistan (among several other wars).

[@hoilst265]

Man, this is some crazy stuff we're seeing from this crazy Yemeni- wait. What's that? This is RUSSIA? This country has a space program, right?

[@sumtingwong2138]

It's all about bringing the most amount of firepower to the front at the lowest cost. In fact, democratising your innovation among your soldiers is a great way to find new tactics. This weird BMP cannon thing probably won't be widely used but it's still good to give it a try in combat and see how well it works.

[@copter2000]

@@sumtingwong2138 Will you also say this if US did this during Gulf War? Unmounting their Bushmaster, and use them as infantry auto cannon?

[@sumtingwong2138]

@@copter2000 Probably not since the Gulf War wasn't an attritional war like the war in Ukraine is, but in the event of ground war involving the US against an equal foe, this sort of idea (if approved by command) would naturally be tested.

[@Ricky-oc4xc]

Russia has proven to be very innovative, more so than Ukraine and NATO, which is fortunate for Russia given how bad start they had..

[@hoilst265]

@@sumtingwong2138 The fact you used the word "democratising" in relation to something Russian is hilarious.

[@Sepi95]

Spg 9 has still the benefit that you can carry the thing top of building fairly easily if needed, these not so much.

[@poptartmcjelly7054]

2:30 that's literally the turret but with the metal around the gun cut off

[@nicholasroach3394]

Reminds me of the dad’s army scene with Captain Mainwearing showing off his new invention to the Colonel 😂

[@MM22966]

If it was recoilless, it would have a massive back-blast. That is a defining feature of recoilless rifles/guns. For that matter, it wouldn't need spades to CATCH the recoil if it was recoilless. Thank you for the data, though!

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

It’s technically a low pressure gun.

[@TheArmourersBench]

True, no Venturi etc but the lower propellant charge and the allowance of some recoil puts it in a similar class as the SPG-9 in practical terms.

[@TheArmourersBench]

@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn yes, absolutely, what I should have said haha.

[@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn]

@@TheArmourersBench they both make that eerie whistle as the round flies down range too

[@soopersooper3291]

It does appear to eject a counter mass out of the back, much like a RR.

[@foobar201]

Gopnik on the front, steals the turret of a damaged bmp, tires from a car and a tractor.

[@mach1ine]

Definitely better than throwing rocks.

[@RandomGuy9]

But only if that is the only other option. And in that case I would give up. The video of the gun is old and was never seen again. They probably scrapped it from a disabled BMP. But I don't see much use for it.

[@loafoffloof3420]

lead are still rocks, the ones in casings are just more refined rocks humans are still throwing rocks at each other since the dawn of time, but faster

[@MultiDam23]

@RandomGuy9 obviously in this case the soldiers are just messing around with an old gun somewhere in Russia, but on serious case if I would be in Ukraine preparing to assault a fortified position and had beside me a bmp that was struck by a mine I would take of that gun and use it if not anything else for suppressing enemy fire. It is better to have bad artillery than no artillery.

[@stevendeamon]

bro thats some mad max shit right there...

[@FacitOmniaVoluntas.]

There are still people who think Russia is a superpower.

[@Realkeepa-et9vo]

This feels like a good idea, making a more cost effective variant that brings alot of firepower paired with low visibility and sound emissions. I think probably the next step will be to upgrade it to a self propelled gun for more manuverability and perhaps some armor to protect against shrapnell and small caliber rifles

[@jaydee2072]

They're down to the he scraps of an army and they're ripping weapons off of defunct equipment to make ineffective replacements that in now way resemble the original platform the weapon was supposed to be used in and it's a GOOD idea? Clown

[@АлексейГордеев-п1н]

Russia already done it. It's called "BMP-1".

[@SrCoxas]

@@АлексейГордеев-п1н and they took it out of the BMP for a reason, probably because those old steel trucks are not reliable anymore for their original purpose

[@АлексейГордеев-п1н]

@@SrCoxas no. There is another reason. Maybe be Russians haven't (not enough) good cannon (or ammo for it) and use all that they have.

[@evilwelshman]

What I'm unclear about is why use them dismounted, as opposed to keeping them mounted on vehicular platforms. There should be plenty of flatbed or pickup trucks that could be repurposed for this purpose.

[@MrRatlud]

With so many drones - something large is difficult to hide. You need something small to put in the tree line and leave there. It is not meant to be moved or relocated much. It is super cheep to push 1 or 2 in each tree line and hide them. It is not needed to be accurate - it just needs to create some explosion and dust in the direction of the enemy. They don't know what is shooting at them and if sane will keep down and away. In war you need to play with all the toys you can get your hands on. What is advertised for the public and what is actually on the front are 2 very different realities.

[@evilwelshman]

@@MrRatlud So, from that thinking, it's for defensive, open field use rather than urban combat, as speculated in the video? If so, it would make sense to dig them into the ground a bit; better concealment and would help mitigate some of the recoil.

[@d3nza482]

@@MrRatlud Sure, sure... which is why they're mounting them on FUCKING TRAILERS TO BE HAULED BEHIND TRUCKS. Much easier to hide that way, particularly the truck. But yeah... it is cheaper. Not that a proper military should worry about economy of "requisitioned" civilian vehicles... Particularly the one that's invading a foreign country - as this is a tactic of DESPERATE DEFENSE. It is smekalka. Which, in its essence, is cargo cult engineering. In this case it is also cargo cult military tactics. Ritualistic actions by primitive people, pursuing what is clearly irrational means to everyone else - in order to achieve some kind of rational ends. Which is what it comes to when you start believing the propaganda that you're fighting The Great Patriotic War 2.0. Soldiers start pretend playing a defensive war - while invading.

[@MrRatlud]

@@d3nza482 Im not sure why my comment has offended your feelings. This has been done bay any army in any war in human history. Do you think Roman legions have not improvised to seek any possible small advantage? Or the US is Vietnam was not mounting shit on both tanks and IFVs to give them a bit more protection. Just think real and push aside the emotion.

[@communist754]

​@@d3nza482Jeez, salty much? It's just battlefield modifications bro, everyone does them, chill. Ukrainians are doing exactly the same thing.

[@ScreamingReelsTV]

They aren't even wearing boots. Something tells me these are conscripts being trained on some sort of cobbled together rig because the real equipment is all on the front lines.

[@domaxltv]

Most soldiers love to ditch their combat boots at the earliest opportunity because the words "comfort" and "combat boots" do not go hand in hand. And these guys are messing around at some depot further away from the lines, why would they wear them?

[@selectionn]

boots are western propaganda, Adidas is all you need, clearly.

[@xsuuuuuuuu]

we don't need boots, we fight in adidas sneakers and with a shovel

[@WimsicleStranger]

@@domaxltv That's the most russian BS I've ever heard. How can russia pretend to be a first-world country if it can't even make decent boots?

[@onenote6619]

Presumably they have a good supply of guns and ammo from broken-down or blown-up BMPs. And likely very little supply of ammo for the guns they are supposed to have.

[@domaxltv]

What guns are they supposed to have?

[@T.McGarry]

PT boat crews in the Pacific theater salvaged 37mm auto cannons out of P-39 Airacobras, then fabricated suitable mounts. They were perfect for busting motorized supply barges in use by the Japanese.

[@onenote6619]

@@domaxltv Dunno. You tell me.

[@Theorimlig]

@@T.McGarry An autocannon of any caliber would probably be much better than these things.

[@SgtBeltfed]

Really, there' shouldn't be that much suitable 2A28 ammo laying around, it's been out of production for a while, and there's been a bunch of fruitless programs to regun the BMP-1's.

[@Big73Bang]

I'm sure this will be a helluva weapon in the aftermath of WWIII.

[@TheMajorActual]

I live for videos like this......EDIT: I wonder if they've ever tried to rig up a technical with this? I know some BMP-1 turrets were dropped into the back of pickups in Syria, like an old drop-in camper unit, but they kept firing them over the sides of the beds.....

[@johnmarten4184]

There are no photos of these in action because they last less than 1/500 of a second at the front.

[@Chiller11]

I suppose the Russians are taking these from mothballed or damaged vehicles that are too far gone to recondition.

[@JeffGordon-ph4vz]

Most likely and everyone freaking out in the comments saying this shows the Russians lack of resources blah blah blah…. It’s literally just reusing weapons systems and putting them to use that weren’t going to be used anywhere else. No one said this is going to be used in combat. It’s just an experiment with recycled parts like chill tf out. 😅

[@kyleshepard3139]

Ruskies really do be like: they’re evolving…just backwards 😂

[@agn855]

That's what has become of the 2nd best army of the world. Priceless

[@lovepeace9727]

> russians are using their free time to weld a spare 73mm gun to a mobile platform in order to gain cheap firepower advantage. Priceless. Have you ever seen american Stryker APC's compartments filled with sandbags and dudes cramped up in there? You telling me... a 1st Army in the world has to actually IMPROVISE against some cheap ass IEDs and mine fields, really?

[@rhetorical1488]

and the Ist has their best drones shout out of the sky by stone age Houthis at $30 mill a pop.😂

[@philjameson292]

Looks like they need to make the gun more mobile, maybe fit it into a vehicle like a BMP? 😂

[@racialconsciousness6996]

You know your military is in bad shape when you're cannibalizing turret mounted cannons like that.

[@АлексейГордеев-п1н]

Turret of BMP-1 is bad. Russia know that and upgrade some of BMP-1 to BMP-1AM with turret from BTR-82A (30mm autocannon).

[@selectionn]

yep. If I remember correctly, Spicy Germany did that in WW2, ripping off turrets and turning them into static emplacements. Its really funny how many similar things putin and renowned austrian painter are doing.

[@weronikazalewska2098]

It's been done for years. Usually reusing the turrets in fixed defensive positions

[@d3nza482]

@@selectionn Putin fancies himself as somewhat of a singer.

[@johnclay2716]

Russia has 1: Manpower 2: Small arms 3: Endless drones, FABs and cruise missiles 4: thousands of tanks+APCs left 5: Thousands of artillery pieces and SPGs left Ukraine has 1: American hand me downs 2: Conscripts who surrender, run away or die at first contact

[@Chiquita-CZ]

2:04 aright let's move it 2:06: oof, nope, readjust! 2:09: move it now? guess not 2:10: Ok this is the spot

[@terrified057t4]

Welcome back Type 94 75mm mountain gun, this time was born as a 2A28 73mm low-pressure gun XD

[@Ian-mj4pt]

The tinnitus from that especially if firing without ear protection

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

it's evolving, just backwards...

[@mattyallen3396]

Screams desperation to me

[@schibleh531]

US: Creates a light tank destroyer and an entire new infantry kit for the 82nd. China: Is in the process of modernizing and is adding a plethora of new weapons and vehicles to its ranks. Russia: "Dimitry, see that old, obsolete BMP-1 gun? How about we make it even more obsolete by taking it off, and put it on 2 wheels?"

[@Ricky-oc4xc]

US : Struggling with hyper-sonic missile prototypes. China : Already have ready hyper sonic missiles. Russia : Been using them with no problem for years.

[@JohnDoe-ji5cr]

@@Ricky-oc4xc Xaxaxaxa, you are so funny comrade. Fast rocket is good, but faster rocket is goodest? Da?

[@PappaTom-ub3ht]

@@Ricky-oc4xc " Been using them with no problem for years." no problems for the opponents you mean ;) And what would US need hypersonics for? Russia can't even shoot down propellar drones flying into moscow

[@jamesgastovski3184]

@@Ricky-oc4xc Quick get the copium ricky!!! Inhale, inhale!!

[@phunkracy]

somebody forgot the ragtag kitbashes of trucks and scrap americans drove in iraq aka the last semi serious war they had

[@stadtbekanntertunichtgut]

You could say, Necessity is the mother of invention

[@jaredfredericks1460]

Is the Russian military doing this? or is this the breakaway militias doing this?

[@nobodyherepal3292]

Russian military

[@wallback1851]

​@@nobodyherepal3292 source: trust me bro

[@DJSockmonkeyMusic]

Good stuff. I wouldn't want to be the guy in that turret ring!

[@sixgunsymphony7408]

They could have just left them mounted on their BMP-1

[@KSmithwick1989]

It could be due to a portion of their BMP-1 stock not being refurbishable. So they re-appropriated the guns as towed infantry support.

[@rudolfthecat1176]

These are taking from BMP's in depots that can't be restored or from ones damaged on the frontlines.

[@onenote6619]

Probably got them from busted BMPs.

[@iplaygames8090]

it would seem they are taken from destroyed BMPs

[@AtomickPixel]

If I'm not mistaken, Russia had replaced all bmp 1's with bmp 2's some time ago. This must be militia? They all are either unused guns from bmp1's, upgraded with bmp2 turrets (basically bmp2) or captured equipment. or they converted bmps to recovery vehicles or something.

[@clydeosterhout1221]

I’m all for ingenuity, but an infantry support weapon that is short ranged, inaccurate, slow to deploy and completely unprotected isn’t something I’d want to be stuck with. It reeks of desperation.

[@RockRoadKill]

Crude steel and Waagh, the corner stone of Ork technology.

[@mattheide2775]

Excellent video as always and this contraption makes perfect sense given the situation. The short range and shotgun-like accuracy will make for good drone fodder.

[@geodkyt]

This is NOT an indicator of an adversary with deep logistic stores or *current* major military production capability- this is full on Syrian Civil War or Sub-Saharan Warlord Technical level crap, not "Russia Stronk!" 😂

[@JeffGordon-ph4vz]

Bro chill out its a test video no one said these are going to be used in Ukraine what about the Ukrainians mounting helicopter rocket pods on MTLB’s that must be ingenious though because the Ukrainians did it 🤓

[@kurousagi8155]

@@JeffGordon-ph4vzthe Ukrainians do not go around parading themselves as a military superpower.

[@copter2000]

@@JeffGordon-ph4vz Ukraine don't claim to be world #2 military power.

[@JeffGordon-ph4vz]

@@copter2000 knew you would say that literally doesn’t mean anything.

[@kahlzun]

Full credit, that Training gun in the first minute seemed to be working pretty well. That second one though looked jank as balls though. Notably, despite the turret ring remaining intact, they did not show the gun turning at all

[@patvanquish4586]

So the latest weapon is an undergunned, unarmoured, unmotorised tank with limited mobility. Absolute winner.

[@hashbrown777]

I love that they couldnt move it out of that rut after several pushes and gave up

[@Broken_Yugo]

How many donkeys does it take to tow this thing?

[@dimitryrostov6482]

Oh my goodness the fire rate improvement!

[@toolbaggers]

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. It's known as "MacGyvering" in the west.

[@selectionn]

I think i'd rather have something built in a western factory than something "macgyver-ed" by Ivan while he was downing a bottle of vodka. Not really interested in testing ivans welding skills!

[@dervish6970]

@@selectionn right, i bet you trust oleks welding more

[@fabovondestory]

Man this is african insurgent level of redicolous

[@СветославТасев]

my guess is that these will be placed in fortified positions. digging old tanks in defensive lines to use their main gun as assault gun in fortified positions is an old Soviet practice. these guns will provide the garrison of a defense line with firepower but without risking the loss of a BMP. most of these cannons have been removed from the BMPs back in the 1980s when most BMP-1s were converted to BMP-2s.

[@julmdamaslefttoe3559]

I knew this would happen, Just a matter of time, BMP-1s are too light skinned with 50 cal snipers disabling them with ease. the Grom is a fantastic gun though, fast firing high pen and cheap, The low velocity requires skill to use.

[@rudolfthecat1176]

The Grom isn't a fantastic gun, it's a famously mediocre weapon. Short range, inaccurate and a low explosive yield. These are part of the reason the BMP-2 has an autocannon instead, so even the Soviets didn't like them too much.

[@julmdamaslefttoe3559]

@@rudolfthecat1176 but it is, autocannons are more effective, but to say the groms bad is flat out wrong. From regions all over the world to nearly every conflict a Grom has had its part.

[@AtomickPixel]

It's alright gun. If i'm not mistaken, bmp1 has an abrams kill in its record.

[@rudolfthecat1176]

@@julmdamaslefttoe3559 I'm not saying the Grom is bad, it's just very mediocre.

[@zedeyejoe]

The Grom is a useless gun. Small and inaccurate (rocket assisted, fin stabilised round).

[@kocovgoce]

it's more of a support weapon, something like a mortar, A 73 mm shell at an angle of 45 degrees had a range of 4 km. Although this one also needs to be placed in a bunker because recoilless guns when placed in a bunker the back side must be open which makes the crew vulnerable to mortar fire that can come from the back of the bunker which is open

[@angelo_giachetti]

Putin's time is running out. Can you imagine the Americans doing this? I cannot.

[@jakedee4117]

there are dozens of KZbin channels of Americans doing nothing but this. Guys goofing around with guns, including cannons on the range.

[@SrCoxas]

America has the priviledge of not having wars on their borders, so we'll never see this kind of makeshift equipment. But any country would do that. If the war in Israel go sour we will see a whole new batch of improvised equipment. The taiwanese would use all kinds of fireworks against the chinese if war happens. It's the reality of war that creates this situations in every step of this war, Russia came up with the most weird shit, first it was the cope cages, then shotguns to take down drones, then turtle tanks, some of these work, others don't, but people always critisize them. Meanwhile, when Ukraine stick a bunch of AKs together as a drone defense machine gun, people admire their ingenuity.

[@zab6124]

We've seen this in vietnam with those gun trucks, same with stuffing humvees with sandbags. Stop pretending like what's going on here has never occured before, improvisation is always a thing.

[@Ricky-oc4xc]

Yes, it doesn't seem to special. Yes, regime media keep saying that Putins team is running out.. Seems more like Bidens, Macrons and Schols time is running out, together with the Ukrainian regime tbh.

[@lukejackson1575]

1. I doubt these guns are being salvaged from properly destroyed vehicles. Many of those are burnt out or on the frontlines and inaccessible. Not worth the trouble. They have plenty of BMP-1s in storage that are now being pulled out either for parts to keep the 2's running (leaving a usable turret), or to be up-armed since the grom is inadequate, with the same result. 2. If you have the ammo and a bunch of removed turrets, why not use them. At times both the Russians and Ukrainians have been quite innovative from a technical standpoint. The more pressure they feel, the more they will be motivated to improvise. Don't knock it. If it works, it works. It's likely not fun on the receiving end.

[@cp4512]

Russians getting pretty desperate for weapons now! Ukraine gets HIMARS and F-16, Russian gets home made trailers and 60 year old cannons……..😂

[@selectionn]

pretty sure ive seen that same trailer on ebay for like a 100 bucks, my buddy cletus built it and he says its high quality.

[@johnclay2716]

HIMARs have been largely made obsolete due to Ukraine munition shortages + Russian jamming of missiles and F-16s have yet to do anything in Ukraine besides get shot down by Ukraine's own SAM systems

[@lred1383]

HIMARS is going up against the Iskander, and it's very much a back and forth situation with these. The f16, much like every other plane, can't really operate in there because of the unprecendented AA firepower present on both sides. There's a reason you never hear about conventional aircraft doing anything in this war

[@davidkramli9300]

@@cp4512 the same F-16s that ended up crashing and shot down before any combat mission? And if you wanna talk about HIMARS there are a few nice clear footage showing them exploding

[@SteelGunner76]

It’s incredible how sophisticated the Russian military has become.

[@johnwalsh4857]

looks like the Russian army is devolving back to a WW2 army.

[@АлексейГордеев-п1н]

I don't think so. Russia can't afford 10-million army.

[@doom9gaming]

They never evolved in the first place. Backwards nation that glorifies their WW2 victory as if they weren't one of the nations that started it.

[@joostdriesens3984]

At least the guns then had some gun shields and proper carriages! These guns are worse than many WW 1 or WW 2 guns.

[@davidkramli9300]

You don't have a life or what? Writing multiple hate comments

[@johnwalsh4857]

@@davidkramli9300 seems you dont have a life responding to me haha