Russian 2S38 'Derivaciya' PVO 57mm Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun

[@_Matsimus_]

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[@TheArklyte]

It's not. ZSU-57-2 was a dedicated SPAAG. This thing however exists for the same purpose US is started producing 50mm version of Bushmaster - garbage variety drones cost several times less then AA missile of Tunguska or even Pantsir(system that aimed to produce simplest missile solution specifically). This is still an IFV. Just with extended range, programmable warhead and dedicated "flak" round to counter swarms of those 400$ flying quadcopters with cameras and jury rigged with laser pointers and/or IEDs at twice the range 30-35mm autocannons could.

[@Lancetdrone]

Russian are also developing guided ammunition for this gun. It's like little laser guided missle, without engine, starting speed - 700m\s

[@TheArklyte]

@@Lancetdrone it is pointless though. We have already seen such ammunition on Otomatic and Draco - it is too expensive to use. Good idea, but not for production efficiency of this century:D

[@Lancetdrone]

@@TheArklyte otomatic have radiocontrol system, it's more expensive, then laser guided system. Also laserguided shells and missles - russian classic weapons. If you have mass production, it will be less cost.

[@reserva120]

I not sure I quite understand your statement " why make it have any Ground effect at all?/"... that's a very odd thing to say.. What part of Mechanically is added or loss to add that capability ??..( I'm guessing its a software up date ~Yes??... also on the Export market for Defense budgets Less than say 758 Billion dollars.. duel use might have a appeal..correct??

[@moonman5880]

I do like seeing the Russians design doctrine of reusing old military platforms with newer technologies.

[@uroskostic8570]

yes, i like it too, as its cheaper a lot. APC type bodies for average platform carring 25/30/40/57mm guns, can be fitted anywhere, even on big trucks. Old T55s and T62s could also be used as platform, as both have thicker armor than BMP3 body. even T72A's

[@sovietred7371]

I mean if you have millions of the stuff just sitting around and you want to modernize, just use the stuff you have instead of designing and making new ones with tge same armour values as what you allready have, if it's not broken, don't fix it, just improve on it

[@Dimetropteryx]

Are we calling that a doctrine now? Who doesn't do it? It's the main way countries have increased the effectiveness of their vehicles for the last 80 years.

[@nostradamusofgames5508]

less tax payer money unlike a certain country that wastes the most >.>

[@moonman5880]

@@nostradamusofgames5508 I think that I might know which one you mean. LOL It's also too bad that Venezuela doesn't reside next to a certain smaller nation in the middle east. They could really use the help and that smaller one seems to been calling a lot of shots in the past 20 years.

[@r.awilliams9815]

Sadly, I don't think Santa will give me one this year.

[@bastionaudio]

Satan might

[@bradleyanderson4315]

Santa is in Covid lockdown.

[@sleepyrasta420]

Maybe next year

[@manh2704]

@@bradleyanderson4315 That or he learned his lesson from the first person he gifted this to. He no longer delivers to that area

[@deliacolquhoun2845]

You can play it on warthunder now

[@williambenedictalava2634]

The successor of ZSU-57-2 right there.

[@potatojuice5124]

To me it looks like the great grandson of the zut-37, with how the turret is

[@williambenedictalava2634]

@@potatojuice5124 that could work too.

[@Mandrak789]

ZSU-57 was crap in AA role, though, and so would be this one as well.

[@wigon]

​@@Mandrak789 Why would it be crap? Other than having the same caliber of cannon, it's a vastly more modern AA system. Moreover as it doesn't use a radar, but rather IR sensors, NATO Aircraft and anti-SAM stealth drones, won't be able to detect it as they would normal AAA systems via their radar signatures. They won't even be able to detect via IR signature easily either if it's using its APU (Auxillary Power Unit) to minimize it's IR signature. What is not stated in this video is how this system estimates range and the lead for the gun on an approaching aircraft. More than likely it uses a laser for this purpose much like a tank but with its fire-control system designed to calculate lead for much faster moving targets. One massive advantage of such a system is that it can not be jammed like the radar systems on the Tanguska self propelled AA gun or the older ZSU-23-4 Shilka. I would not be surprised if the Tanguska's are updated to eventually use similar fire control systems. It also should be presumed that with it's remote turret, that it can be slaved to a central fire control radar system much like modern trailer mounted BOFORS 40mm AA gun systems. On top of that with programmable ammunition, you have what will be an extremely potent AAA system. The sad fact of the matter is that the U.S. does not have ANY AA gun systems that come remotely close. All we have is the M3 linebacker (which as far as I know uses a standard M2 Bradley fire control system that can't track and calculate lead for fast moving targets) and the old Humvee-based Avenger system which has an anemic .50 MG as its AA gun. Both are primarily Stinger SAM launching platforms. The U.S. military puts all it's hope in air supremacy and its Patriot missile defense systems. If Patriot missile battery fire control radars are successfully jammed, aside from short range stingers, the U.S. doesn't really have anything else. In contrast the Russians have a vast range of long, medium, and short range SAM systems complimented by several types of AA gun systems ranging from the simple but effective manually aimed ZSU-23-2 up to this modern system in the video. It's rather embarrassing to be honest that my country (the U.S.) has fallen so far behind in this area of military defense.

[@Dagger1Bravo]

@@wigon its one of Russias main focuses because Russia sees the US air power as its biggest threat. No one can compete with the US air force, so i think they made the smart choice to invest in air defense rather than trying to outdo it. Meanwhile, he US focuses on expeditionary capabilities, because its biggest threat is communist influence on our allies. as long as the US has air superioity, no need for better air defense

[@johnparrish9215]

It looks more like an Urban Light Tank with AA capabilities to me.

[@rhodium1096]

Yes...2 applications in 1 vehicle

[@EvMund]

just because you capitalized Urban Light Tank doesnt make that an actual vehicle classification. why are you inventing terms and acting like that is a thing?

[@ElkaPME]

It's really what it acts like Military & internet terms don't match half the time, hell I can call an IFV a taxi light tank if I want to

[@greatdude7279]

Soviets/Russians tend to made/make multipurpose platforms.

[@darugdawg2453]

urban and light tank is very deadly for the tank

[@dronmk2]

The 57mm was chosen because of its great reach in height and the greater power of the projectile compared to the 30mm. Drone armament can be used beyond the 30mm cannon range. In a 57mm projectile, it is possible to install electronics without a significant loss in the power of the projectile and its ballistics. The fire module itself is universal and can be installed not only on the BMP3. At the beginning of the Syrian campaign, there was a lot of talk about the abandonment of cannon anti-aircraft weapons. The ZRPK "SA-22 Greyhound" was believed to be the last air defense missile system with guns. The report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (2015 or 2016) indicated that all aerial targets were destroyed by missiles (there was even a table with what and by what means they destroyed and in what quantity, unfortunately, after so many years, I can not find the link anymore. However, further experience has shown that with the massive use of drones, missiles may simply not be enough ("SA-22 Greyhound" only 12 missiles). Not to mention the cost efficiency. What caused the revision of the concept.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

i guess italy was watching them closely, considering they finally got their government to cough up enough money for 76mm AA which they have wanted since the early 80s.

[@poznatkaolazo]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Italian 76mm AA was probably spurred on by Boffors 57mm ammo, its competition in naval instalations with greater rate of fire. 76 mm smart ammo compensates for this with more reach and larger shrapnel clouds.

[@robertokandal]

i think they wanted to make a more versatile weap0n,,, and with highter ranges.

[@poppinc8145]

Russia currently doesn't use any calibers that sit in-between _30x165mm_ or _30x210mmB_ and _57x348mmSR,_ but one they did use prior to the late-20th-century is *_37x252mmSR._* This cartridge is still used in many countries including China. Russia needs to bring that back because 57mm is not appropriate for as many tasks that Russia seems to think it will apply for in the future battlefield.

[@Heartbreak117]

Rusia, 57mm gun Italy: hold my bear, proceed to bring out the Otomat

[@duckman12569]

Otomat OP pls nerf. Mopping up everything on the battlefield in Wargame

[@そなんですか]

it should have been: Italy: Hold my pizza and pasta, proceed to bring out the Otomat.

[@trezapoioiuy]

Not to be confused with a tomatO

[@ellischo4020]

Otomagic > Otomat

[@1joshjosh1]

Good point. I remember being fascinated with that system in the early 90s

[@alexnickolaev]

Looks like it is supposed to be a light, air-deployable platform, while terminator is a much heavier vehicle that moves in tank formation

[@sovietred7371]

The terminator is there to support the tank groups, it helps pin down infantry and has ATGMs to help fight tanks, this would probably follow the tanks and Terminators from behind about 500m-1km to protect them from air targets, then the rest of the army follows them You have your breakthrough groups(the frontline tanks and heavily armed and armored infantry and IFVs) followed by the cleanup groups, lighter infantry and transports and BTRs and smaller stuff to make sure the area is clear after breakthrough group has puahed through, then you have youe logistics following them, then command, artillery and SAMS and bigger air defence units (and the VDV would've been deployed behind enemy lines to cause chaos, stuff like cutting coms, blowing up power stations, radio towers, strategic briges and plant mines, just make life hell for any units trying to respond to the breakthrough attack) This is what I have seen them use, but they could change it, or it could be different

[@alsa3ka166]

@@sovietred7371 i agree with you

[@alsa3ka166]

@@sovietred7371 but i think this gun will be just effective on helicopter not fast moving air targets like gets becouse you need a much more higher rate fire to increase the chances to hit something is moving in fast of 1000 m/s or higher

[@alsa3ka166]

Maybe A10 and of course drones

[@grrtt666]

Nope) this AA system can use half-dumb programmable ammunition, but it was designed for laser-guided 57mm ammunition. It capable to hit the swarm of small drones. And this laser-guided ammunition is cheap. It looks like primitive missile without engine. Cheap and effective. Drone can change the trajectory and programmable ammunition is not effective against it. But drone can't dodge from guided shell with non-contact radio primer. This system can fire long burst of guided shells, drones have no chance to survive. Also Derivacia PVO can be connected to fire control system (FCS) with another AA systems and radars. FCS will increase capability to hit drones. Derivacia PVO is last line of AA defence.

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

I think that russians like to "overlap" capacitites of their various support vehicles. It makes sense ! If one fails, the second can back him ! My guess is that 2S38 is primarly a SPAAG with AT capacities while BMPT is primarly AT with some SPAAG capacities. Nice overlap/complementarity between these two ! Same apply for their missile based AA defenses ! From Strela's to S-400 and all BUK and TOR, nice overlaps of capacities ! They don't want that "grey zone" where no one can fully engage a threat !

[@ninonucaro8539]

Exactly, no grey areas. Like always most see an anti-air system as one. Very wrong, this thing makes a lot sense in an entire air-defense like the Russians have, mostly misunderstood on by You Tubers. Like you exactly sayd, this thing is made to cover grey areas in an complete air-defense, grey new areas, like drones, which means Russians already understood what happened in Syria or Azerbaidjan, drones in every size, but bigger number. A great vehicle, and if only every 3rd hits s drone, thst's over 50 drones, not bad. I think a drone swarm comes not more than ones a day, much lesser than they will have time to reload it. Matt sometimes thinks in the wrong direction.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

Russian air defense is probably the best in the world bc their doctrine didn't bet everything on their air supremacy.

[@trololoev]

also Tunguska and s-300 has capabilities to attack ground targets if needed.

[@poppinc8145]

They need to bring back _37x252mmSR,_ which is still used in many countries including China but which Russia abandoned decades ago. They might also need to bring back _45x310mmR_ as a counterpart to the Western _40x365mmR,_ especially for naval use. Russia's medium calibers is currently just 23x152mmB, 30x165mm, 30x210mmB (naval use), and 57x348mmSR. You can see the massive gaps in the middle. They don't even use 23x115mm except for some older aircraft, even though it and 14.5x114mm could be used in a Bushmaster-style autocannon where you just swap some parts for a caliber swap.

[@raidzor5452]

It is read as Dyereevatseeya The “ye” is just a softer “E” The “ts” is merged together into a hard sound and the “ya” is read separately as a single letter

[@mostlymessingabout]

Thanks Rusiya Grammar Nazi 😉

[@chrisburke624]

Two views, and already 1 dislike!? Go to your corner, whoever you are!

[@NovaScotiaNewfie]

They must be CIA/MI6 and have all the intelligence on it, and disagree with Matismus's info :P .

[@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744]

Might be a salty "Patriot"

[@Кухнедесантник]

Plot twist : that first dis was from Matsimus himself. Kind of self humble video dislike , y'know.

[@AmericanIdiot7659]

@@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744 hi

[@derkernspalter]

That was the Apache pilot who realized his cockpit is armored only against 23mm shells at best.

[@alexandermarken7639]

I can see this being used as a part of the comprehensive ADN. The have missiles in numerous flavours and now guns in the same. A 57mm is going to kill A-10 and AH-64 at far longer ranges. It also allows for instant kills on IFV's.

[@jaquinhelp7298]

They can but the rounds and the AGM can be a problem unless if it work on tandems but thats the same for the enemy aircraft as well

[@okakokakiev787]

It can easily flank instant kill tanks as well. And mobility firepowerf tanks from the front easily.

[@myopicthunder]

this is mainly for drones, uses IR to track and set range fuse

[@SYNtemp]

The effective range is ofcourse higher, but with greater distance the problems with precision increases... especially with 3D (air) moving targets. The ruzians still need to show that they can volume produce intelligent ammunition for this, but for those kinds of ABM this is bit overpower, they sey intelligent munition these days needs about 30-35mm diameter to "fit" inside (and this will reduce with time further) so 57mm is overkill, and its questionable whether is better 1 bigger explosion or 2-3 smaller ones better covering the target area...

[@laurean5998]

You just questioned the Ability to mass produce intelligent ammunition and in the same sentence said 2-3 smaller rounds might be be better. If the limiting factor is the amount of electronics you produce, bigger IS better because you can't just shoot 3 times the rounds...

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

The old Shilka / ZSU-23 replaced a vehicle with twin 57mm guns on a lightened T54 chassis. The Shilka was a mast surprise in Vietnam and the Yom Kippur war.

[@scudb5509]

Some sources say it was the 57mm that caused 60% of losses in Vietnam.

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

@@scudb5509 depends on the mission and altitude. Soviet doctrine is to use missiles to deny airspace and force aircraft to fly lower. Once you get into the lower atmosphere you then become vulnerable to various calibers of anti-aircraft artillery. That is precisely what the Arabs did in 1973.

[@Marinealver]

@@scudb5509 the SA 2 also shot down a lot of aircraft, and the range of that thing scared spy planes.

[@sovetskyskaiyastrigon1750]

ZSU-57-2

[@sovetskyskaiyastrigon1750]

@@scudb5509 ZSU-57-2

[@LowStuff]

I think the main points of the study are: Urban fighting capability and a lack of radar, making it less vulnerable to counterstrikes. Probably intended as a support vehicle that can move directly with IFVs and providing coverage directly where needed

[@devonlord99]

I’m just glad to see someone is still making guns in 57mm caliber

[@petter5721]

Bofors have made a 57mm gun since way back, especially for naval application. Bofors 3P programmable ammunition (40 and 57mm) was developed in the 90s and now used widely. Interesting to see this caliber on a vehicle...

[@chesterlynch9533]

I wonder if the Bofors 57mm with 3P can also be put on a hull/chassis. The new Thales RapidFire 40mm can also be attached on a back of a truck or maybe on a vehicle.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the russians also had a 57mm AA since way back, this is more of a return to an old trend then a radically new concept.

[@charlesvallgarda477]

Iam not sure but i think tey did test the 57mm .Longer range and faster then the russian 57mm , 220p/min

[@dwwolf4636]

Don't forget the 76mm on the Italian tank and centauro chassis.

[@photosshop]

Not suitable for IFV due to large ammo. It can not be stored enough rounds into also very wide feeder (turret).

[@StormBringare]

Raytheon (I think it was) recently built a 57mm grenade with integrated electroptics and guidance that can find targets on their own, it was primarily built for naval use against swarms of smaller boats but it shouldn't be impossible to make something similar work against aircraft.

[@robertalaverdov8147]

I don't think this will replace the Tunguska or Pantsir. No active radar, or missiles; would be a step back. I think this is meant to deal with drones or loitering munitions that target active systems. It also doesn't hurt that it can seek out anti-tank teams with it's thermal/infrared tracker. Might actually be a competitor for terminator platform though that also has missiles. Could just be a standalone addition to battalion level support.

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

On another channel,the gun is said to fire 3-4 round bursts per target.It looks fantastic..and the MG can engage different targets. Russian tactical doctrine requires all gun platforms be able to engage tanks, even their artillery has this capability.

[@andyfriederichsen]

40mm Bofors needs to make a comeback as an anti-aircraft weapon.

[@vunguyenxuanhoang7422]

Swedish army still use it on they CV90 Spaa variants

[@petter5721]

All Swedish CV90 variants use Bofors 40mm (except ARV). Export CV90 customers use 30mm - 35mm guns...

[@diligentone-six2688]

@@petter5721 because it's more cheaper.

[@Dimetropteryx]

@@diligentone-six2688 What's cheaper? The surplus 40 mm guns Sweden happened to have lying around in the 80s?

[@warkopvalhalla708]

40mm Bofors with 3P airburst ammo would be nice

[@ivankrylov6270]

Slap that turret on a BMD and you got a decent support for the 2s25 sprut light tank

[@chkoha6462]

It seems that Matsimus does not require sleep as other humans...keep the uploads coming!

[@X.Y.Z.07]

It really reminds me of Swedish LvKv 90 SPAAG...

[@georgeleon1263]

What I find interesting about this vehicle is that it negates the need for the Sprut Light Tank because the Derivatsiya can perfectly fill the light tank role while also serving as mobile AAA. Given the fact it’s size and weight are practically the same as that of the Sprut it also means Russian Airborne Forces or VDVs can also bring this vehicle as airborne armor.

[@martinsmith9054]

The Sprut can put a big round downrange inflicting major damage with one shot, arriving much more quickly than an ATGM. I wouldn't write it off just yet.

[@poppinc8145]

How on earth does a tank firing 57x248mm fill the role of an otherwise 125mm tank? Maybe if it fired one of Russia's 100mm calibers then it could work.

[@georgeleon1263]

@@poppinc8145 well the answer is that this wouldn’t be a tank but a light tank for which a smaller caliber weapon is acceptable in the interest of keeping the vehicle light and nimble, plus easy to transport by air and be airdropped. Another factor to keep in mind is that while the caliber of the vehicle is certainly smaller than that of a tank the trade off is that it can also engage enemy aircraft making it far more versatile and multi role than a pure MBT and very suitable for expeditionary operations with rapid response units. Another factor to consider is that the war in 🇺🇦 has shown us is that even small 30 mm auto cannon rounds can cause serious damage to tanks, so larger 57 mm ones should be good enough for defensive actions.

[@afatcatfromsweden]

A sponsor?! I’m so proud of you!

[@Apoc_Bone_Daddy]

They need to remake this Do a twin barrel version. Like the GSH-30-2K or GSH-23L

[@kosovoisserbia8937]

ZSU 57 : exists

[@RomanianReaver]

2S38 for infrantry, Terminator for armored brigades, BUKs and S-400s/S-500s for regional defense. Makes sense you'd want less massive, cheaper, AA options for the vastly more numerous mechanized infantry brigades. Plus being on that chassis likely makes it more air portable.

[@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я]

Great video, some ideas for russian equipment: VDV Sprut SPG, Bereg coastal artillery platform and the MT-LB with its infinite variants.

[@EburdeyGordei4]

Bastion and Bal costal defense missile systems. Never saw some good narrative videos about them.

[@michaelboyd395]

The Bereg would be great!

[@borissarmatov4391]

this 57-mm gun has it it's roots somewhere in mid 40s', saw extensive use during Korean and Vietnam wars and has been decomissioned from active service long time ago. though now it is brought back to life and with this new electronics and munitions it can do some new tricks

[@wat8437]

BAE Systems also make a smart munition for their 40mm and 57mm weapon systems, the 3P multi-mode fuze

[@okakokakiev787]

Very nice weapon this is a step forward when comparing to 25mm, 30mm weapons. I meant a leap forward. Lol during WW2 57 mm guns were some of the best weapons available in this role. Now in full auto.

[@davideb.4290]

Russia in ww2: ZSU57 on little tractor Russia today: 57 mm on anti air

[@sovietred7371]

On newer tractor, BMP chasis

[@davideb.4290]

@@sovietred7371 well,it's not exactly what I would define as a tractor but still, close enough.

[@ivanivanov1579]

США Браунинг 50` в 1 мировой и 2023 год.

[@vitturm]

love your channel and your deep dive into military hardware. Carry on!

[@prjndigo]

That gun has a lot of depression capacity to be for anti-aircraft. That's a tank destroyer.

[@alberto5770]

It is not a flak 88, nevermind about it

[@user-vgrau]

You can't define anti-aircraft platforms as "something with no depression" or tank destroyer as "something with a lot of depression". IS-2 is not an anti-aircraft platform and young angsty teenagers aren't tank destroyers.

[@ytgfy]

ZSU-23-2 is also an AA but it was used as a heavy anti-sniper MG mounted on an Ural truck in Chechen war in 90s

[@matthewwagner47]

This weapon is awsome,very stable for such a large caliber an high rate of fire.

[@wmtford4043]

Thanks for this, Mats. At the risk of sounding glass-half-empty, I think that a bit more understanding and analysis of the vehicle's AA role and capability would be helpful here. For example, is the reliance on optical systems for target detection/acquisition/engagement adequate on its own? Would a compact radar add to the vehicle's efficacy (in the same way is a the compact electronically-scanned system mounted on IM SHORAD/Stryker) or does the range of the gun/ammo make a longer-range detection system superfluous? Understanding this vehicle better may require more analysis of Russian tactics/doctrine its relationship to other vehicles (see below). A lot of time was taken here up describing the chassis rather than the turret and its systems, but that's just an impression. The chassis is but a platform upon which to mount that unmanned 'combat module'. At 10:54 the viewer is shown the elevation of the gun, which looks impressive and demonstrates a capability to maintain a firing solution when the aerial target manages to get close. Yet the matter of elevation wasn't even mentioned. (Is this because of a lack of firm data?) I respectfully disagree that the Gepard is (was?) and example of spraying ammo into the skies in hopes of getting a hit. Once the AHEAD ammo entered service in the 1980s, the whole notion of 'spray 'em' went out the door. (The Cdn Army used this ammo in its long-retired towed 35mm Oerlikon GDF-005 guns.) Now fewer rounds could be expended for the same result. One assumes that the same notion applies to the 2S38. Sure, as an operator I'd like more stowed rounds, but as with so many other instances the answer may lie in mass or tactics or doctrine rather than technology. Perhaps the Russians intend to operate the 2S38 in small groups under innovative C2, in which case 150 rounds/track turns into 600/platoon - enough to sustain a bubble over a combat team or (alongside Pantsyr) a battalion group for a reasonable amount of time. Surveying the lack of SPAAG capability across NATO, I wouldn't complain too much about any of 2S38's perceived weaknesses. If drones indeed are a major threat (and I believe this to be the case) then a way of neutralizing lots of them them (electronically and/or kinetically) in a cost-effective manner is essential. For the kinetic side of the house, a medium-range gun with programmable ammo is likely cheaper than using missiles. NATO armies who think that they can disperse or camouflage their way to safety really need to think seriously about this.

[@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus1790]

i believe its supposed to be similar in concept to the CV9040. a multi-role afv capable of engaging and destroying air, ground and armoured targets. i believe it uses a 57 for for the larger high-explosive charge for anti-infantry, and a 57mm V-T shell is going to do a number on any aircraft.

[@ВикторФирсов-е9ф]

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[@aymonfoxc1442]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny but I guess in way he is sponsoring them by extending his brand and then, as the theory of sponsorship goes, his credibility to them when he puts them forward as a good product. So, the wallet company financially sponsors him to sponsor them.

[@mikev6046]

Matismus, The 57mm round is just as fast as modern SAM but at a fraction of the cost against unidentified flying objects. It's an issue of money for asset protection. 👍🏿

[@terranempire2]

Seems like if they did put it in production on the BMP3 chassis they might be looking to mix it in lighter units. BMP3 is amphibious Terminator is not.

[@WildBillCox13]

Firing in two round bursts (which the video shows) the gun can fire fairly frequently for around 80 seconds. That's not bad. For a vehicle straddling roles it seems about right. More onboard ammo would necessitate a larger internal volume. I'd rather keep it small and innocuous. More belts or links can be carried outside the vehicle for solo operation. Using one weapon for multiple roles is a nuanced engineering choice. I like it. More than one company around the world is specializing in 57mm caliber smart rounds, notably Bofors-whose modern claim to fame is the most expensive projectile ever fired from an autocannon; the "Antipirate" round.

[@SammehEatWorld]

Gaijin: *drooling*

[@Yourlocalhuman8]

You predicted it damn

[@norbertblackrain2379]

BMDs are the vehicles of the VDV, the Russian airborne forces which are kind of separate from the "normal" army. This might be part of the reason why they created a seemingly redundant system

[@tonyng8075]

the radar and precision aiming actuators are kinda expensive....

[@Nick-yj8nj]

ww2 cruisers had this =))))))

[@N330AA]

Makes sense to have something that can take out low cost drones at low price per shot vs a missile.

[@OneMoreDesu]

Even expected combat places unexpected demands on equipment. Best have your AA gun be able to AG just in case.

[@Marinealver]

Nothing is worse for an AA battery then to find their position under attack by ground forces.

[@michamendak261]

I love the scenes where they shoot at the tank-sized target and 3 out of 4 rounds misses

[@glennhuinda9783]

Matsimus: *Releases new content* Filipinos that likes Russian Arms Enthusiasts: Man, this vehicle is also good for Anti-Drones, Anti-light to medium fortifications and Anti-infantry role

[@jaquinhelp7298]

Swarm drone noises

[@tsorevitch2409]

@@jaquinhelp7298 swarms won't work if ECM is engaged. It rely on weak non ECM protected drone to drone connection to coordinate

[@dmg4415]

An AA sniper approach? With capabilities to take out a lot of non MBTs vehicles on the battlefield, seems like a good solution. And for export, smaller armies may choose a dual purpose vehicle instead of 2 different specialist vehicles.

[@richardcharay7788]

Looks an infantry support vehicle that can engage other IFVs and keep enemy aircraft off friendly troops.

[@MatoVuc]

The russians really are going all out on the unmanned turret thing

[@Marinealver]

The Stinger System was also supposed to be set up as a remote control turret, with a dismount to act as a counter attack in case the turret got strafed.

[@oditeomnes]

I mean, it is very weight saving. Not having armor protect empty space needed for a crew, throws off a few tons.

[@lukaszmajer8472]

Idea of it is somewhat similar to TRIDON - Boffors 40 with P3 ammo. With drone so called swarm attacks it might be a future of anti-air artillery, as there will be multiple targets that usually would overwhelm classic systems, but with programmable ammunition it should be possible to create something like "cloud" of shards hard to penetrate.

[@nighthawk2174]

Something I’m really curious to see is if such systems may be deployed in large numbers as an immediate counter to suicide drones like what we’re seeing in Azerbaijan.

[@Proger-sj8cj]

If the suicide drones are numerous then the system may get overwhelmed

[@90enemies]

@@Proger-sj8cj are there any recorded recent case where a System successfully defended against more than 1 Suicide drones? or have a high hit ratio? If there is one I really want to look up the system

[@uroskostic8570]

They dont need it. They have electronic warfare prepared and made for last ten years or so, just to counter drones.

[@90enemies]

@@uroskostic8570 I doubt it always work, since I heard a news that even a TOR system was taken out by a Suicide drone if I'm not wrong, or at least some form of Russian AA Platform

[@uroskostic8570]

@@90enemies I dont know where TOR ? Armenia had TOR, but it wasnt in Karabah war region. Russian doctrine is , all systems work together. And no system is bulletproof. But it will give very good protection. We cant compare Syrian crews in Pantsir and Russian crews as we know Arabs cant fight.

[@thebritishengineer8027]

Correction.. Warriors are being upgraded to 40mm CTA Weapon Systems. The Cased Telescopic Round is a uniform tube increasing reliability, fire rate and as advertised increasing kinetic damage by a factor of 2x. The 40mm AP round can tear through 160mm of rolled steel and the "smart" fused air burst round can be used to clear building interiors, battlefield air burst or to attack low flying air targets.

[@boi8825]

A better name for it should be: A10’s worst nightmare

[@a1marine105]

Other way around

[@nebeskivuk]

@@a1marine105 No !

[@okakokakiev787]

YOu have TOR and buk for that. This is just a powerful all purpose weapon.

[@ket451]

@@a1marine105 the A10 may be scary, yes, but if anything gets its shot off correctly, it'll probably be shredded.

[@sovetskyskaiyastrigon1750]

@@a1marine105 no not exactly the A-10’s slow so the proxy will take it out easily

[@MrDescream]

Dear mats, thanks for the video, Derivaciya is spoken de ree wah tsia, its basically word Derivation

[@StefanBlagojevic]

Serbia also has its own AFW called "Lazanski", with a 57mm autocannon.

[@nemesisagent]

It is still in prototype state. They trying this module and new ammunition on different platforms and for different purposes. This is very old post WWII gun modernized and resurrected, which is good

[@webkeeper]

Great video! Thanks for the content! This vehicle's role is not to create a surprising fire like the terminator, or creating a wall of bullets like Tunguska. Smart rounds mean that it will fire 3 shots where Tunguska would fire a 100. Along with Tunguska, the Tunguska would create a corridor for a plane to take, while Derivaciya would take its sniper's shot.

[@lebigfudge]

Oerlikon-Rheinmetall AirDefence Gun. They have a also cool programmable Bullets for Drohnes or smaller AirTargets

[@1KosovoJeSrbija1]

Mat: why would you make an anti air and ground vehicle? Me who plays warthunder:

[@АндрейШмырев-х8н]

Классная связка БМПТ и Т- 90 получилась....

[@bskorupk]

7:51 It isn't entirely clear what a Spookston-Matsimus Crossover would look like.

[@rhino1207]

How can you noticed such a mill second scene. proof you are human.

[@bskorupk]

@@rhino1207 For a given value of "human" ;) I I'm enough of a Train Nerd to notice an LNER J36 being buffered up to the Frozen Goods Train at 7:12 - 7:23 of this old video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6bKeqKDeZlsa6c EDIT: now I remember, it was just the Frozen Engine they were taking back first!

[@lazarpejic6415]

omg dude i fucking died when i saw this thank u for giving me a nice neuron activation

[@ninonucaro8539]

Very nice, and with big amount of numbers.

[@magecraft2]

You would have thought they would have used the space at the back for extra ammo.

[@romazzz93]

Ok Mat, i will try to explain its role. First: it will be much more universal thing in military, not an AA at the first place. It will fight everything. Why, if we have BMPT? Because BMPT can't cross rivers fast enough. You can't airdrop BMPT (well, tecknicaly u can, but this will not end well). So this thing is made to be used everywhere where BMPT can't be. You don't need enormous amount of ammo on the other side of the river. Your mission is to secure the beach with BMPs, Btrs, and infantry. If you are a VDV unit, you can drop trucks with ammo and this thing. + There is a room for troops, where you can place more ammo. Just don't airdrop with it inside.

[@razaqadeanova3255]

reminds me of the BMP series

[@chinesesparrows]

@@skorpthememer1601 its replaced by JPG series

[@hotrod525]

The BRM3K (first vehicle in tan paint) is the Armd Recce version, the PVO (green paint) got another turret.

[@shubhojitghosh69]

Hey Mat what is your view on ramjet shell in artillery.

[@drgonzo305]

I've narrowed my choice of home protection firearm down to either 1 of these, 2 of the older zsu-42 or this new south korean double 30mm 8x8

[@FromMyBrain]

Think of it as an anti aircraft sniper vs a drone swarm.

[@woodonfire7406]

Then you're using it wrong

[@fakshen1973]

With a single barrel, it doesn't look like an AAA vehicle. It also relies on passive sensors. With a programmable round that can receive radio guidance from the onboard sensors to correct to target... it'll probably just snipe aircraft out of the sky.

[@malusignatius]

I wonder how it compares to the 76mm Otomatic.

[@esakempp9202]

Think of a fighting unit containing 2 -3 of these Koalitsiyas, 2 - 3 of BMP-T terminators and a BUK-M3 medium range air control system! Should be pretty efficient even with just infantry as core. This is cheap and effective and versatile

[@amirazhar8377]

So its like a mobile 57cal. sniper Anti Aircraft Gun with smart bullet

[@pbr-streetgang]

Nice sponsor pick up. I got given one of these from work last Christmas. Thanks for the vid sir.👍🏼👍🏼

[@connorhawk3472]

Just wondering how long it took for everyone to get a job with military after you met with the recruiter in Canada

[@RedXlV]

Now I want to see BAE Systems Hägglunds make a CV90 variant with the Bofors 57mm Mk 3, just to see how it stacks up to the Derivaciya.

[@hlvscomendandeche8744]

ammo is too big for 57mm bofors, they have 40mm/70 - one of the most potent AA ammo today

[@pennycarvalho1223]

Nooo you can’t just make big gun go boom boom boom boom, it’s too fast Russia: cyka

[@oditeomnes]

It's not just AA. These guns will be mounted on BMPs and any other support platform. The doctrine is basically "we need IFV gun to have effective range suitable for the engagement range of our adversaries". In other word it is a weapon system to replace 30mm that is deemed too short range for on par adversaries. It is believed that the Terminator is not a successful designed for this doctrine. So even years ago when everyone was bugging them about the "new" terminator, the backhand answer was along the lines of: "you know the T-15 IFV? Now imagine a 57mm turret on it, there you have your terminator 3" So basically you are seeing the beginning of the planned replacement of the lesser guns on support vehicles. It is to match the longer engagement range expected in event of conflict with high tech militaries.

[@cocopud]

Great video as always 👍 There are several arguments for such a vehicle. Firstly the guns on the terminator do not fire smart rounds, therefore it will have trouble hitting infantry behind cover, in deep foxholes etc. A 57mm air burst round could detonate over their heads, thus negating the cover. Secondly, Russia has a history of using SPAAGs in the anti-infantry role and in urban combat as their high gun elevation is useful for engaging targets in the upper floors of tall buildings. Thirdly, many NATO IFVs are well protected against 30mm rounds across their frontal arc. But a 57mm will likely penetrate. Fourthly, small drones are hard to hit directly, even with a high RoF. With a larger air-bursting round you only need detonate the round in the general vicinity of the drone and the blast and fragmentation will do the rest. It’s funny when you think about it - how to cope with smaller targets? With bigger guns 😜 With those considerations in mind the design makes sense.

[@cocopud]

NB - the ‘smoke’ in smoke grenade launchers is usually White Phosphorus, which burns HOT. That heat blocks thermal sensors 🙂

[@ГарикАроян]

What other NATO drones manage to withstand 30 mm shells?

[@cocopud]

@@ГарикАроян None that I know of, the difficulty is scoring a direct hit on them in the first place. Note I’m not talking about the large pilotless plans like predator, reaper etc - standard AAA and SAMs works fine for those. I’m talking about small fast drones such as commercial quadcopters, which have already been used by non-state actors in combat. They are so small and agile that hitting them with something designed to engage something many times larger is difficult. With a decent sized air burst round you don’t have to score a direct hit, just get the round in the general vicinity of it and let blast and fragmentation take care of it. This might also be effective against swarms of small drones if they are flying close enough to together.

[@ГарикАроян]

@@cocopud If we take, for example, such systems as the Mark 15 Phalanx or the Russian Pantsir-C1 / C2, they can detect on the approach and hit with their rapid-fire cannons such targets as a mortar shell or unguided Grad-type missiles. This has been demonstrated in Syria and Iraq. It's more about the price. Hundreds of anti-aircraft shells fired are worth much more than a simple drone or an unguided projectile. As for the drone swarm, yes, I agree, smart ammunition comes in handy.

[@EasternVikingTradeCompanyJSC]

57mm has range up to 14km, it's useful against ATGM teams

[@charlesvallgarda477]

Bofors 57mm has a range up to 17km and 200 per min ;)

[@ajeto2]

@@charlesvallgarda477 yes and 57mm 3P and 57mm ORKA with guided projectile

[@EasternVikingTradeCompanyJSC]

@@charlesvallgarda477 No doubt the Swedes are good engineers, but keep in mind that Gauls also had better armor & weapon quality than Romans

[@monsieurduquack5440]

57mm is a chonky round to launch into the air IJN: *Yamato's 460mm Type 3 Anti-Aircraft Shell*

[@conordwyer1553]

Imagine being some poor pilot who gets fucking deleted by a 460mm shell lmao

[@pepperedash4424]

@@conordwyer1553 At least it'd be a quick death.

[@lancevarrell711]

funnily enough, those shells proved to be more useful for bombarding airfields rather than anti-aircraft purposes, in fact they were rarely used on Yamato and Musashi, the blast of the guns turned out to disrupt many of the small caliber AA guns

[@pepperedash4424]

@@lancevarrell711 Considering there size, I believe you.

[@monsieurduquack5440]

@@conordwyer1553 Good thing they never did score a hit from what I've read so far

[@ivankurtz1909]

A excellent paratrooper support security........

[@Armin2012]

7:52 SRAAM meme right there, gents

[@nunogoncalovianacandeias3685]

Nice Chanel. A hug from 🇵🇹 Portugal.

[@heimdalshorn]

great and heavy gun - on a much to light (BMP-3) chassis. While firing, it is wobbling around like crazy. It is is going up and down 10-20 cm - how will you engage a flying target up to 5km + away? The 2S38 'Derivaciya' weighs about 19 tons. In comparison, the German Gepard - with its two 35mm cannons - is nearly 50 tons (on a Leopard chassis) and rock-solid when firing. All of the the Russian AA-tanks have this problem, but e.g the 2S6 Tunguska compensates this problem by spraying bursts up to 250 rounds with a rate of fire of more than 3500 rounds per minute and saturating a whole area with projectils. But with this extreamly slow rate of fire...? It could make sense on a T-80 or T-90 chassis - but this will be far more expansive.....

[@buscadiamantes1232]

it probably has some sort of two plane stabilization, you wouldn't have such a mobile spaa without any sort of tech that allows it to exploit that same mobility, it's 2020 lol

[@heimdalshorn]

@@buscadiamantes1232 2020..lol....? There is not any kind of stabilisation there - the gun is climbing a lot when firing - as it is with the Tunguska, spraying the projectiles all around, even at 1000m. By the way, the Leopard 1 is much more agil an mobil than the BMP-3....so what is the point of yout comment...?

[@okakokakiev787]

Thats why you have stab

[@heimdalshorn]

@@okakokakiev787 ...as I said in my second comment, there is not any kind of stabilisation there - the gun/muzzle is climbing a lot when firing - lock at the video again. Same problem with Tunguska and Terminator. Tunguska to solve the problem spraying bursts of up to 250 rounds to hit anything anywhere...

[@buscadiamantes1232]

@@heimdalshorn then don't know, I supposed it had some sort of stabilizer because you know, we're in 2021 now (hahaha) and I guessed stabilizers were standard on high precision systems like SPAAs but it seems it's not? perhaps on the video it is not turned on? We shall see if there's any update on that in the upcoming months

[@Po6om_Bepmep]

My thoughts about this cannon. Why it appear? 1) Russia do not have effective AP arrow-style rounds for 30-mm guns. So, for greater armor penetration we have to increase caliber. During th WWII Soviet Union had anti-tank cannon of this caliber. Later we had a 57-mm anti-aircraft cannons. Thiw one - is the variation of those anti-aircraft guns, but with a shorter barrel. 2) Now Anti-Aircraft protection includes fighting with different drones. Some of them are really small. So you need to use programmable ammo to destroy them with a shrapnel cloud by exploding somewhere near the target. Smart fuse is bigger than regular one, so to have enough explosive in a shell you have to make it bigger caliber. 3) Big shoota is always fun! Bis shoota strikes harder! WRAAAAGHHH!

[@gordonbinlawsay3310]

BIG FAN MAT CAN YOU DO VIDEOS ON THE J-20 J-31 X-47B And YF-23?

[@ishitrealbad3039]

I like the idea that it has ground capabilities. Considering this is close air cover, it will probably be staged at the front or near the front. Which means that in a pinch this vehicle can be called up to support infantry if they're being overrun. Jack of all trades sort of deal, though ofcourse it won't outperform something like the Pantsir in terms of air defense.

[@slmaer8288]

15:30 yeah turks definitely showed us how to use drones in Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan

[@slmaer8288]

@Ignacio Muñoz Diaz reality hits hard fanboy all those destroyed russian made air defence/tanks/artillery obviously disagree

[@okakokakiev787]

In SYria drones got mass destroyed and then the turks wanted peace.

[@LawyerPapa]

Maybe it's specifically made for A10s? Three A10s could chew up 20 tanks in minutes, but one of these could keep them alive after firing only 10 rounds. Even if it fails to shoot one down, if it keeps tanks rolling, that's a job well done. And if it can destroy 50 Pumas while keeping only 88 rounds for the sky, 148 rounds doesn't sound too bad. Thanks for introducing this AFV, I never knew the Russians had this. What would be the western response in coming years, I wonder? Are we seeing an arms race of personnel carriers by mixing in up-gunned platforms in the battle group? I thought a 40mm on CV90 was a lot, but Russians had to top it.

[@variable7833]

By the year 2045 russia will have made exactly 6 XD

[@snepping1885]

7 but they will be already designing a replacement

[@HarrySerpanos]

I like it because it applies similar thinking to the programmable rounds used on the Bofors 57mm naval gun...

[@decus9544]

Armenia could've done with some of these a couple months ago.

[@maxjohnson1758]

It can carry hundreds of extra rounds in the troop carrier area, if necessary. Those 57mm rounds are damn big, btw, and 140+- shots fired is a lot for that size gun.

[@PeenileCansir]

They just add anything to the BMP-3 chasis

[@cyberfrank-bx2nv]

the tech is impressive!

[@ilovehihats]

couldve sworn it was an IFV when i first saw it

[@Dimetropteryx]

Started off as an IFV upgrade, then turned into a scout and now it's apparently going to be a SPAAG when it grows up.

[@masterone2752]

This weapon platform was developed specifically for Morden warfare in an urban build up environment and in the Morden battlefield where it can precisely engage wide range of techinicals from infantrymen, ground base armoured vehicles and soft skin targets to areal targets with single shot fire and forget at standoff distance. All morden Russian weapon platforms have this in mind and it is the way forward now a days.