Russian High-Speed Trains Are Doomed, Here’s Why!

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

The Russian gauge is 1520mm, not 1524mm. The latter is officially used only in Finland. However, they are completely interoperable.

[@thegreypenguin5097]

really it's both bc Russia switched to 1520 from 1524. I think some lines are still on the older gauge in Russia and other post-Soviet states

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

@@thegreypenguin5097 That whole business is nominal but of course all repairs will assume 1520 mm and have assumed since 1970 in fact!

[@antimatter_nvf]

They are interoperable in general, but when trains ran from Helsinki to St. Petersburg there were actually problems and delays because of this small difference in rail gauge

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

@@antimatter_nvf Who told you that? There are absolutely no problems with the gauge. Never has been. The High Speed Trains had a 1522 mm gauge in order to minimize anything not foreseen when running at 200-220 km/h.

[@legowagfles7287]

@@Itapirkanmaa2 “There are absolutely no problems” Russians when they try to explain why Ukraine is pushing them back

[@dimbasz]

9 months later I'm typing this comment from on of those "doomed" trains moving at 230 km/h at this exact moment. The number of daily rides on those remains literally the same as 1 or 2 years ago)

[@JKRoss-zm3zu]

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[@mratp123]

At 1:50 it's actually 1520mm as 24 is used in Finland. But russia only uses 20.

[@Mirz-ei6tg]

Technically there is still hope for Russian HSR,St Petersburg-Moscow Route were building another pair of segregated tracks for Sapsan while keeping original alignment for Long distance and freight.

[@izoiva]

Russia is now constructing hight speed roots from Moscow to Kazan and additional tracks for Moscow st Petersburg route.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

the reason why they didn't build it is because on this route the trains are also fighting over the toll roads. and many American car pros would rather spend money expanding highways than build new expensive railroads

[@ce1834]

It's been abandoned now - they're looking at improving the existing line, not surprising considering the state of their finances

[@ce1834]

@@izoiva Moscow-St Petersburg route was abandoned in Nov 2021 in favour of future (alleged) upgrades, and Moscow Kazan has no start date in sight, even as of now - unlikely to materialize imo

[@SnarkOrel]

@@ce1834 Actually, they've slowly started to build HSR-1 line (Moscow - St. Petersburg). Currently there are some bridge construction works on Moscow channel and near Kryukovo station, but for sure, it will take decades to build that line.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

The ER200s weren't built in the Estonian SSR, but rather the Latvian SSR! They were built by Rīgas Vagonbūves Rūpnīca in Riga. They were not just the first Soviet EMUs designed for speeds up to 200km/h, but also the first high-speed Direct Current intercity EMU in general to have a rheostatic brake. While the ER200s were built just for the route between Moscow and St. Petersburg, many RVR trains built during the Soviet period are still in active service across the former USSR like ER2s in Armenia and Azerbaijan and the ER9s in Kazakhstan, Lithuania and Belarus, and even in past non-USSR communist states like the Class 412s in Serbia, North Macedonia and Montenegro (which were of course once part of Yugoslavia). While the Talgo Strizh trains first ran between Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod, they were also used for the long Berlin-Moscow route which they entered service for in December 2016 and ran until March 2020. Westbound used to be over 24 hours and eastbound was over 25 hours, but this changed when the Strizh shortened the journey in both directions to 20 hours, so using the Strizh trains for the route shortened the time it took by a bit. They've been used on the St Petersburg-Samara route as well

[@jamesau4296]

Stating that the Taiwanese Chip blockade could hamper other nations high speed rail development is an overstatement, Given that High-speed rail doesn't really need any chips that are as powerful as 7nm, while lower-grade microprocessors (28nm-110nm below) are much more atomistic market where TSMC can't get any forms of Monopoly.

[@Peizxcv]

Agree. The latest 5nm and soon 3nm chips are literally only used on smartphones. It’s too expensive and supply too constrained to be in widespread use. The chip plants Germany wants TSMC to build are only for 28, 20, 14/16nm as that’s what goes into non-self driving cars

[@williamhuang8309]

has anyone tried to make a high speed train with chopper or camshaft control 🤡

[@route55qatar]

@@williamhuang8309 What about shovel? Even the witch or bltch Von Der Crazy which ever you like to call her caught lies many times that Russia military got their chips from dishwasher and fridge.

[@789know]

Funny that russian best is only mass produced 95nm(i know not to fall for NM trap and u can't directly compare NM), which is far behind most nations. Doesn't help that they have talked about 65nm mass production for several years and still isn't in mass production. Clearly not as energy efficient and advanced as most common chips used on others. Most likely they will get chips like these from China or 3rd party. All these Chips are very common nowadays.

[@jamesau4296]

@@williamhuang8309 You get what I am talking about!! Who said high-speed trains have to be built with a VVVF control, at the bare minimum, you just need a track, a Carbody, a wire circuit loop, and a high power enough motor(Even DC is ok), then you made high-speed rail if you don't care about energy efficiency, what really hampering high-speed rail development is you have to get a huge sum of money to buy concrete material and hire thousand of labor for physical work, which is required for building high-speed rail(Which China have a lot but not western developed countries), while the rest is nothing that matters. BTW, the early-age high-speed train aren't VVVF too(0 series shinkansen, TGV sud-est)

[@uncinarynin]

Siemens has 9 wide gauge Sapsan units that it's not delivering to RZD, it'll be interesting what other customers might be interested in them. There are also 400 standard gauge bogies made by Siemens Graz for 200 sleeping-cars made by Siemens Simmering for RZD, currently probably stored at Brest/Belarus because these cars don't go to standard gauge Europe any more. Plus all the GP200 bogies for the Görlitz WLABmee (which went out of service before the war, but even then RZD didn't seem interested in selling them to west European customers, despite a shortage of sleeping-cars in central Europe). They are currently used on standard gauge in Slovakia and Hungary.

[@ilyafilru]

I rode the Sapsan in 2019 when I visited Russia. It was good.

[@LuisFernandodaSilva1854]

Honestly, I find the explanation plausible, but I believe that the Russians will be able to import, at some point, Chinese trains and systems and even provide expansion of the network through this means.

[@hilldoggydogg635]

Exactly, China has it, Germany loses, AGAIN! All these sanctions have been like Uncle Sam putting a giant butt plug into Germany.

[@vavord5181]

Long ago there were plans (~10yrs) to build HSR systems between Vladivostok and northern Chineese cities nearby. I guess, the time to get these plans running had come.

[@lambertax]

Why are you spending time on the train system of a dying country ?

[@morganangel340]

@@lambertax Why are you ?

[@maksmzahharov4071]

@@lambertaxif they wanted to build a rail system for dying country, they probably made an HSR line from Moscow to Kyiv, because if you are potentially blind, Russia is not dying, and right now Russia is at 7th place with it's economics system

[@elksalmon84]

Dedicated HSR line between Moscow and St Petersburg is being built. New trains will be manufactured by Sinara. They had joint venture with Siemens. So they have can manufacture Velaro and Desiro trains. New Velaro trains were in design phase for a few years and will be manufactured in Moscow. Currently Sinara is ramping up fully localized and improved Desiro RUS (ES104, which is DC and 160 km/h) EMU, which has been in design since few years. There are over 15 trains manufactured in past several months. Original Desiro were not EMU, but single 5-section cars. Next - ES105 this year. It will be most advanced Desiro to date - AC/DC, EMU, 200 km/h. ES106, an improved urban type EMU for Moscow Central Circle line, is planned in 2025. There is also probably of Desiro HC that could be ES106D.

[@warmike]

As a Russian, I really, REALLY doubt the Sinara high-speed train project will be anything but buying trains from China and sticking a Sinara badge on them.The Sapsan can only do 250 km/h, and it was never built in Russia, the best Russia could ever do is 200 km/h. The ambitions are, on the other hand, are for 400 km/h. There are no competencies for this project in Russia.

[@789know]

Ural locomotive factory say to produce sapsan replacement around 2026-2027 i think. They have already master produce aluminium hull train. Tho it is only Desiro Rus series. Let see whether they can comes out with an actual product later

[@aleksander1982]

Desiro rus is all made in germany

[@lzh4950]

Trivia: 'Sapsan' translates as 'Hayabusa' in Japanese, which is also the name of another high-speed train

[@elksalmon84]

There is also Tsubame in Japan, which means swallow bird. And there is Lastochka train in Russia, which is another Siemens train - Desiro. Although Japanese names are for routes, while Russian are for trains. Domestic competitor for Lastochka is Ivolga, which is golden oriole bird. A previous high speed project from 1990's was called Sokol (Falcon). There is also Strizh (Swift) - Talgo Intercity and two branded night trains - Solovey (Nightingales) and Burevestnik (Procellariidae).

[@afizi1213]

japan also make a suzuki hayabusa motorcycle

[@wilfriedolemans5862]

What you forget to tell us is that the Russian government has signed a new contract with a Russian manufacturer to build new trains that will run at 400 km/h between St. Petersburg and Moscow, with an extension towards Kazan and Novosibirsk. In addition, there would also be a line towards Misk and one towards Lugansk and Donetsk.

[@goodstu]

These high-speed train on a video (0:07) is Siemens Velaro build specialy for Russia - Velaro RUS or Sapsan (250 km/h) . After feb 2022 Siemens leave Russia. rains didn't leave Russia. Maintenance and repairs are carried out in the same way as before - Russian specialists, Russian-made spare parts and German equipment. There was a court decision according to which all special equipment will remain. No worries. It's was fun to see this combination of different videos and voiceover. Now 2 month ago it was announced the construction of a high-speed railway with a minimum train speed of 300 km/h up to 400 km/h.

[@maxinfly]

There is 747А/748А Nevsky Express with same as Sapsan 4 hours trip time, completely domestic. China has nice trains too BTW

[@Eklykti]

That is achieved by having no intermediate stops, so it's directly comparable

[@maxinfly]

@@Eklykti Yep, Sapsan has better acceleration due to multiple engines. Still it's not like huge difference with couple stops

[@Eurobazz]

Are you sure the Russian gauge is 1,524 mm? I thought they reduced it to 1,520 mm throughout the entire country leaving only Finland with 1,524 mm.

[@RailwaysExplained]

In the video, the 1524mm gauge is mentioned in the context that it was used when the railway line between St. Petersburg and Moscow was built. But yes, during the 60s, the Russians reconstructed the railways with a gauge of 1520 mm.

[@Eurobazz]

@@RailwaysExplained Wow, as late as the 1960s! Why did they shave off 4mm? That must have been a gargantuan task to recalibrate throughout the entire USSR.

[@RailwaysExplained]

@@Eurobazz This idea probably came to Brezhnev's mind while he was having breakfast 😅

[@bagamax]

@@Eurobazz somehow getting rails 4mm closer together raised high speed freight stability without having to modify a rolling stock. So Russian 1520 and Finnish 1524 gauges are directly connected and can handle same trains. (Besides voltage and controls, they differ.)

[@enemixius]

​@@bagamaxStockholm basically did the same thing for its metro, while it is officially standard gauge, the actual gauge is 1431 mm.

[@ThePtalso]

They can basically buy parts from China.

[@juozasuwu4537]

1:56 *Latvian. RVR Literally stands for Riga Carriage factory.

[@Любадрель-у9з]

It is no more

[@u1zha]

@@Любадрель-у9з Thanks, that's not relevant for the video though. The correction is appreciated

[@FishyAltFishy]

Out of all high speed rail systems, i hear about Russia's the least. And i barely knew any specifics until now.

[@himbourbanist]

Those Soviet ER-200's look amazing

[@izoiva]

Russia won't use imperial 1524 gauge, it uses Soviet 1520 gauge. The only country that uses 1524 if Finland and guess why.

[@RailwaysExplained]

In the video, the 1524mm gauge is mentioned in the context that it was used when the railway line between St. Petersburg and Moscow was built. But yes, during the 60s, the Russians reconstructed its railway network with a gauge of 1520 mm.

[@steffenrosmus9177]

Well, those 4 mm do not matter at all. aAll rolling stock is interoperable.

[@izoiva]

@@steffenrosmus9177 no, it's matter in terms of reliability

[@di_dmitriev]

Ridiculous video. You mix several potential issues into one video, which have to be solved separately and are independent of each other. Some things are imported because they can't be produced, some things are just more expensive to produce locally because economy of scale does not exist, so it is cheaper to import them. Literally nothing that you need to produce a 250kmh-rated train is so high tech, it does not exist in Russia. The problem is scale. Can't start a complex factory if you won't have enough orders. Those trains are likely to just be bought from China. 160kmh-rated trains (Latochka and Ivolga models) are being churned out in massive quantities locally, since there is huge demand on the local market. Some elements from Siemens, Schneider Electric and ABB that were in there had been fully replaced with local production and imports from China. Main problem with Russian HSR is that there is still no political decision on making separate lanes for HSR, which means that on a small number of routes where they can be economically viable they are running in conflict with regular trains. That makes users of both unhappy. Each time the projects are drafted for separate lanes politicians try to skip a generation of tech (e.g. why make separate lane for 250kmh trains in 2007, when tech for 350kmh is almost mature) postponing the constructions for 10+ years already.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

But you can't keep your existing trains running if you can't get the spare parts. And you can't produce those locally. If tomorrow the main computer on one of those trains fails and you don't have a spare, you won't get that train to move under its own power anymore, ever again. And these are not just simple computers with plug and play connections. This is an entirely proprietary design by Siemens. Everything is proprietary and impossible to source. Of course they could go to other countries to buy new trains, but that's capital you didn't plan on spending, that's a lot of money you have to find.

[@di_dmitriev]

@@Hans-gb4mv Imported parts are not the "brains" - those are made in Russia. What actually is imported and considered hard to localize is stuff that had to be CNC machinned very precisely. Parts machined not smoothly enough do not really matter at slow speeds, but become more crucial at higher speeds. There were some parts in electric engines and traction systems that were imported, not anymore and it's not really that big of a deal. There were no economy of scale, so those parts could not have been produced cheaply, now those trains will cost more, but they won't stop running. With time, we will get localized production at even lower prices.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

@@di_dmitriev the trains are Siemens Velaro Trai s, the entire train is designed and build around Siemens proprietary technology. The entire electronics stack is German, not Russian, otherwise they wouldn't have needed to go look internationally. The fact that it is a small number of trains is exactly the reason why there was no point developing something from scratch. Wheels and bogies are easy to source elsewhere, but not the electronics. Why do you think 30 years of maintenance contract is worth more than the trainsets themselves? It's because if all the tech that Siemens needs to support.

[@di_dmitriev]

@@Hans-gb4mv There aren't much info on how "full" the technology transfer to Russia was, since Sinara - Siemens contract is not public and not technically a gov contract. Whatever was not transferred surely can be acquired from China since they have fully localized Velaro - CRH3. And again, there is no problem with tech, it can be bought. The problem is with scale and I don't see the potential there. Basically, on the highest levels decisions were made to invest in air traffic for passengers and all of the railway construction capabilities are concentrated now to grow freight traffic with China.

[@Любадрель-у9з]

Construction of dedicated high-speed rail line has already begun

[@warmike]

Russia already localized the Lastochka train, also made by Siemens, so why woudn't they also localize the Sapsan? P.S. The Sapsan to Nizhny Novgorod is confusing: it ceased operations because of the reconstruction on the Kurskiy vokzal railway station in Moscow (though on some websites it's listed as running) and there are conflicting reports on whether it will return after the reconstruction ends.

[@jwhite5008]

I don't think Kurski Terminus is really to blame. Trains don't go very fast within Moscow anyway, so they could have been diverted. Although I do believe reconstruction of both Kursky and Rizhsky rail termini (which share a straight-through connection) was a mistake. Last time I checked Kursky is in ok shape, although the bridges for MCD4 are kinda in the middle of being built on Kursky side.

[@SnarkOrel]

HSR trains service from Moscow to Nizhniy Novgorod just doesn't make a sense, since it's a regular railway line with maximum speed of 160 km/h, which can be achieved by different types of rolling stock, including Siemens Desiro (Lastochka) trains

[@izoiva]

I traveled by this train in early June from St. Petersburg to Moscow.

[@maestromecanico597]

Nicely done. As mentioned these are Siemens Velaro sets modified for the customer but mechanically the same. Chinese R&D (Replication & Duplication) have already made copies of the Velaro so getting spares from their southern neighbor should be possible.

[@amateurcameraman]

This is the key point. But it undermines the whole video really 😉

[@elksalmon84]

China did not copy Siemens. They bought trains manufactured by Siemens. And Fuxing is completely domestic technology. As of Velaro RUS, Sinara can manufacture then. Localized Velaro RUS will be manufactured in Moscow.

[@maestromecanico597]

@@elksalmon84 China did not “copy” Siemens or the other suppliers in that they required a technology transfer in order to do business in country. But once China had their hands on it they started building en masse. They were taken to international court and freely admitted to going beyond the original agreement arguing their needs greatly outstripped outside supply. They’re not wrong.

[@Ralphieboy]

That is a totally awesome logo they came up with for the R Zh D

[@Happymali10]

Russia is absolutely going to strip some of the trains for parts. They've done the same with western aircraft. Also, China runs Velaro-replicas, so russia might end up doing the same.

[@deutschthomas2751]

CN may exchange replicas of western parts for resources, furthermore RU may consider introducing the whole CN HSR system, a Hong Kong-Beijing-Moscow-St Petersburg/Minsk HSR line is not unimanginable

[@thegreypenguin5097]

i imagine the trains can be served by china as they know how to service Velaros. the trains that CR run aren't replicas but actual Velaros made by Siemens in partnership with CRRC.

[@thegreypenguin5097]

@@deutschthomas2751 i would imagine that the distance for Moscow-Beijing HSR would be far too great and far too expensive for Russia given their current economic situation

[@user-cc32vcg811]

@@deutschthomas2751 You dont understand how far away is Beijing from Moscow

[@westy6214]

China's Siemens HSR technology stems from a mutual agreement to supply and then manufacture. With no such agreement in Russia, they would have to re-engineer them accordingly

[@odess4sd4d]

The ER 200 is amazing. In retrospect seems like Russia would have been better served to continue to develop it domestically. Would like to learn more about it.

[@izoiva]

There was plant in Riga that built basically all electric trains for commuter service in Soviet union. ER1/2 and ER9 was basically the same (adjusting to type of ac/dc power used). After collapse of Soviet union plant was basically abandoned.

[@Rrgr5]

@user-wd1pd7dd3p that was pretty dumb from the Russian federation part, but is not like my country also didn't something similar, we had a enterprise called Mafersa, we sold it to the Buddy company which was later sold to Siemens, ended up with Siemens selling trains made here to here.

[@izoiva]

@@Rrgr5 Riga is not in Russian federation, at least yet.

[@Rrgr5]

@@izoiva omg my bad, Latvia isn't it? I misread, well, I think it won't be, at least I hope so... lol

[@ruk3d]

ER200 was latvian built not estonian as said in the video btw

[@kvertiber]

Just a small correction. ER-200 were Latvian, not Estonian. E stands for Electric, while R is for Riga.

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

They were Soviet.

[@TinLeadHammer]

They were Soviet. Designed in VNIIZT and in other corresponding organizations, but assembled in Riga AFAIK.

[@primercommentario]

@@TinLeadHammer Built in Latvian SSR, as in what is today just Latvia. So Latvian. Latvia ain't Russia, buddy. The days of the USSR are long gone. Don't mess with NATO

[@primercommentario]

@@Itapirkanmaa2 Still built in what's today known as Latvia. Cry some more.

[@primercommentario]

@@Itapirkanmaa2 But built in Riga. Latvian.

[@BLACKSTA361]

With China as their main Ally i think High Speed Rail will be the least of Russias worries...

[@HonestMan112]

China is just as deceitful as the US

[@KateeAngel]

well, Chinese built a lot of HSR. What if they build the same in Russia? The real question is what they will ask for in return

[@glenfarmer1783]

​@@KateeAngelthey are the cheapest... Russia - China relationship is based on a win- win game plan... Like Russia sells the oil, gas, Grain etc etc at a discounted price, China is also exporting their finished goods at a discounted price cheaper then what the West pays

[@bobdeverell]

@@KateeAngel Probably money !

[@Kilud]

I wouldn´t see it so negative. The same situation happened after WW2. According to Wikipedia: "In 1946 the USSR ordered 20 electric locomotives from General Electric, the same US corporation that supplied locomotives for the first Soviet electrification. Due to the cold war, they could not be delivered to the USSR so they were sold elsewhere. The Milwaukee Road and some other railroad companies in the US obtained 12, which were converted to standard gauge. They were nicknamed "Little Joes" ("Joe" referring to Joseph Stalin, the Soviet premier)." What did they do? They made their own electric locomotives, and legendary ones - VL10, VL11, VL60, VL80, VL85,... And also the trains (like many wrote, made in Riga - Latvian SSR) - ER1, ER2,..., and finally ER200. And if they needed something other, then they asked some other Eastern Bloc countries (for example Czechoslovakia - ČS2, ČS4, ČS8, ČS200,..., another legendary locomotives). If Siemens decided to be a slave of USA, Russia will make its own trains and locomotives (they will have more than enough money from Siemens, because such unilaterary termination is against the law). And if they need some high speed trains pretty quickly, then there´s China. Problem solved. And whatever happens with Sapsans, their fate will still be better than the tragedy of Czech Pendolino (billions spent for only 7 trains - not enough for just ONE line, and they were made for 230 km/h but still can´t go more than 160). Like a few others wrote, I would be more concerneded about the fact that Russia still doesn´t have a separate rail for high speed trains - and this in necessary not only to St. Peterburg, Nizhny Novgorod and Kazan. This is much bigger problem, no matter what is happening between Russia and Ukraine (or West).

[@kylemfwelch]

I don't think high speed rail in Russia is as doomed as you state given the level of railway cooperation between Russia and China. China is the world's largest manufacturer of high speed train sets. It's high speed rail technology was originally European, but it has now developed it further and is as good as, if not better, than anything Siemens has to offer

[@sidharthcs2110]

Their domestic aviation needs more time to get to maturity. Railways is something they don't want fail. (And theres the option of CRRC)

[@vavord5181]

And railways is the thing, they certainly will not fail. The railway system in Russia is something like a spine (or a backbone) for a human. And Russia is pretty good building trains. Yeah, they might lack some capabilities and know-hows to build HSR system in some close future like 5-10 years, but they already mastered conventional trains and I don't see a way for this system to fade away. And to mention, the РЖД (Russian Railways) is the biggest job creator in Russia and they will find a way to keep it running.

[@opporancisis5834]

​@@vavord5181 the railway industry must stay strong and well funded in Russia. The domestic aviation industry is not capable of moving enough people these days. So many airplanes undergo maintenance for to long due to lack of components and since the beginning of Ukrainian drone warfare and guerilla attacks on important infrastructure in Russia. Its seriously not a condition to keep the aviation industry up and running. I wasn't able take a flight to Western Europe in over a year....

[@philipgibbard304]

Thanks for this interesting presentation, but I wonder why you did not the high-speed Allegro service between Helsinki-St Petersburg- Moscow. Is this impacted in the same why? I understood that it had been suspended by Valtion Rautatiet (VR) following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

[@RailwaysExplained]

We already talked about it in the video about Finnish railways. You have it on our channel if you are interested in that story.

[@Itapirkanmaa2]

The Allegro was run by a joint 50/50 company between Finland and Russia.

[@RailwayNetworks]

Another great topic, great video, thank you guys 😉

[@RailwaysExplained]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@samtrak1204]

Thank you for excellent presentation that taught me a lost about Russian Railways.

[@ИльяМаксимов-и3ч]

Короче, старая песня про "Разорванную в клочья экономику"

[@chatnoir1224]

Так она и разорвана. с 2011г нет экономического роста. Рост ВВП болтается 0-3%, при целевом (стратегия 2020) в 6.5%.

[@Григорий-Старцев-97]

Russia is moving away from Siemens-made trains, in most major Russian cities Siemens Desiro trains have already begun to be replaced by Russian analogues, and the high-speed Siemens mentioned in the video is planned to be replaced in 2028 by the Bely Krechet trains, which are currently being developed in Russia, possibly jointly with China, in addition, new tracks are being built for this train, along which it will be able to accelerate to 400 km/h, you should study what is happening in Russia in general, by the way, Russia itself also produces trains for the metro, they are called Moscow and Baltiets, in addition, a number of the year of release is added to the train, Moscow 2019, Moscow 2020 and Moscow 2024 metro trains travel in Moscow, Moscow trains for the metro are also supplied to Belarus and the countries of Central Asia and all this is only part

[@hollymorningwood8560]

Nice video 👍 but you forgot to mention the failed russian high speed train. The *ЭС250 (ES250) Сокол (Sokol = Falcon)* . This had to be the train to replace the older ЭР200 (ES200) before russia made a deal with Siemens an Germany under Gerhard Schröder. I want to hear more about the *ES250 Sokol* (maybe in a seperat video) and why it failed. Greetings...

[@AmauryJacquot]

wasn't failed if it was abandonned because of bribes from Siemens...

[@Eklykti]

They made a test article, then realized that they can't achieve required safety and reliability, then made a contract with Siemens. End of story.

[@PtrkHrnk]

Speaking of the trains being 300 mm wider, *why don't European trains use full width* of the loading gauge?

[@ThexMJT]

Because all countries in Europe are independent and built their own networks themselves, and used the gauge which they wanted to use which best suited them nobody is going to rip up their entire network and replace their entire rolling stock to a 'set' gauge. It would cost endless billions or trillions, cause a mess on the network which is being redone. Stations could need all to be redone, maintenance infrastructure and infrastructure (bridges, signals & crossings)

[@PtrkHrnk]

@@ThexMJT Because that already happened 🤦‍ so now we're talking about universal UIC loading gauge... that no passenger train in Europe uses the full width of

[@ThexMJT]

@@PtrkHrnk because their tracks are already laid and HST run on conventional lined also not always dedicated HST lines.

[@PtrkHrnk]

@@ThexMJT that may be true, but how does it relate to my question?

[@PtrkHrnk]

@@creamwobbly So I was talking about the universal UIC loading gauge - that's the smallest it gets on any European full-service main line. That one is 3150 mm wide. The train's, hoverer rarely exceed 3 m width, and there is no passenger train that I know of, that is wider than 3050 mm. For example European Velaro is 2,95 m wide. Compare that to Chinese HSR or Shinkasen loading gauge, that are 3400 mm wide. Thier trais are ~3,3 m, and up to 3,38 m wide. That's much higher proportional utilisation of the loading gauge.

[@marzuraanmarzuraan1226]

Meanwhile.... "MOSCOW, Aug 11 (Reuters) - Russia launched its first moon-landing spacecraft in 47 years on Friday in a bid to be the first nation to make a soft landing on the lunar south pole, a region believed to hold coveted pockets of water ice." If Russia can land a rover to the Moon, I'm pretty sure they'll be able to find a solution to their temporary Sapsan maintenance issues. If I were to make a guess, they will most likely just start producing their own high speed trains, if they haven't already

[@bagamax]

There's something foreigners don't understand about Russia and USSR - first toilet paper rolls in USSR were produced 7 years after comrade Gagarin was launched into space (and returned in one piece safe and sound). So complexity of the task is not directly corresponding with availably date.

[@warmike]

@@bagamax that's because toilet paper used to be in packs like napkins, and not just in the USSR but everywhere else too

[@bagamax]

@@warmike nope. Those napkins were available only to high grade nomenclature and purposely produced in low volumes in Lithuanian Grigiškės. Common people used newspapers.

[@jwhite5008]

You guessed kinda wrong. The trains are sort of in development but - as video says - the technology gap is significant - they won't be ready anytime soon. It was much more economically feasible to develop them with Siemens until Putin's invasion just had to ruin it all. I guess we will have to stick with Chinese replicas providing China isn't completely washed off their side of the globe this year

[@Любадрель-у9з]

A new train model has already been created

[@hg6996]

Last week there was in the news that a top manager of Russian railway said that the Russian railway system is only days away from collapse. Let's see how things are going in the coming weeks.

[@tmmmm2105]

Only days away from collapse for 2 years...

[@aurelkovacs2888]

Propaganda. Sapsan works without problems, i was there recently.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

until the spare parts run out

[@warmike]

@@Hans-gb4mv then Chinese ones will roll in

[@arnoldhau1]

@@warmike Could be. We will see.

[@heidirabenau511]

​@@warmike*Iranian

[@aurelkovacs2888]

@@Hans-gb4mv Ouch! but what do you do when you run out of spare parts? Throw everything away? It probably won't happen to them either, other products will be replaced!

[@Любадрель-у9з]

A new train model is currently being created, 100% consisting of domestic components. The maximum possible speed is 400 kilometers per hour. These trains will replace Lastochka and Sapsan trains. The construction of a dedicated high-speed rail line is also underway. The new line will also serve 2 cities that the current high-speed line does not pass through

[@ce1834]

Construction of the HSR lines is not happening now, the Petersburg-Moscow was abandoned Nov 2021, and Moscow-Kazan is not even started/announced properly, they were in a partnership with Siemens to build the 400km/h trains, but Siemens has exited Russia due to Russia invading Ukraine - so the future doesn't look great at the moment. The train has not been made, original date was 2028, but now who knows lol

[@ce1834]

@@Любадрель-у9з would love to see your sources (also yes I am) they're doing nothing more than some efforts at buying plots of land lol atm, also "Власти откажутся от финансирования ВСМ Москва - Санкт-Петербург из ФНБ" - 2022. Also your mythical 400km/h train that supposedly is already created even though it was projected for 2028 BEFORE Siemens pulled out 💀

[@ce1834]

@@Любадрель-у9з Вот это да, покупают землю в могучем городе Тверь и, кажется, собираются снести склады. Видимо, высокоскоростная линия совсем скоро будет рядом. Не терпится увидеть тот поезд на 400 км/ч, о котором вы говорите, что уже сделан. Возможно, если Путин отправится со своей просительской чашей к своим новым китайским хозяевам, они подарят ему поезд :) 😉😂, 2150?

[@Любадрель-у9з]

​​@@ce1834 Construction is already started. The HSR project was revived in September, 4 high-speed lines are planned: North, East, South and West Two of which (North and East) were developed back in 2021, but then abandoned.

[@darttrain5248]

Не согласен что сапсаны обречены так можно провести программу реверсивной инженерии и РЖД может доставать запчасти по параллельному импорту

[@OrekhovSD]

Легче новый поезд сварганить. Сейчас уже на новые ласточки будут ставить свои двигатели, а это основное в таких поездах. Собственно эскизные проекты Синары это подтверждают, поезд будет новый, стильный, свой, вот просто вах конфетка! (Читать с акцентом)

[@51Sable]

European vendors are leaving and opening big sectors of russian market for chineese and russian domestic producers. Lastochka, another Siemens EMU, has been recently replaced by local vendors up to 95%. In case of Sapsan, Russia can simply buy new TGVs from China. No big deal and siemens shot itself into feet, loosing market

[@ce1834]

1) Russia is not the world, 2) it stopped being a global player in 1991 😂

[@51Sable]

@@ce1834 Russia, same as China, is unique world on itself in terms of culture and history. True, treason of Gorbachev contributed to collapse of ussr and new Russia never managed to be same as ussr. But Sapsan is not impossible to replace, opportunity for local Russian engineers and vendors to create new tgv in Russia.

[@spider6660]

Not only railways. Chinese car sales to Russia made them the largest car exporter in the world overtaking Japan which abandoned the Russian market. China is also buying cheap oil from Russia which makes them 7 billion dollars profits from the sanctioned counterparts.

[@51Sable]

@@spider6660 More complex task would be to replace 350 Airbuses to locally made tu214, MS21 and Superjets, but replacements are coming.

[@thelastofthehitachi972]

@@51Sable no 'treason', the economy simply collapsed (communism collapsed)

[@vitalydv6289]

Estonia200? Are you serious?

[@mikeromadin8744]

Well spotted, ER-200 were manufactured in Riga (Latvia) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ER200

[@NikolayRyabkov]

It’s translated Riga’s electro train

[@RailwaysExplained]

We literally don't know how this error was sneaked in 😅

[@jermainetrainallen6416]

Thanks for the vid. Very informative. Good to learn about the history and current situation of HSR in Russia as it is a topic that I didn't have much knowledge of before. Keep up the good work👍

[@AniMageNeBy]

So...basically, contrary to the click-bait title, Russian high-speed trains are not doomed, but will switch from Western trains to Chinese ones? While the vid was reasonably good, I greatly dislike clickbait, be it thumbnail-pics or titles, so this gets a dislike.

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

Russia will not buy trains from China or anyone else for that matter. Earlier, this year Putin put in motion a 4-5 year project to design and build high speed trains that will operate on the Moscow-St Petersburg route with a plan to further extend the line to Kazan and Yekaterinburg.

[@maximkonechno8742]

Фантазеры как обычно о своем. Уже все отрасли должны были исчезнуть судя по видео "экспертов" с ютуба.

[@one_step_sideways]

Украинский же канал, что с него взять? Дремлет хлопец у дороги, снятся хлопцу перемоги.

[@kuanysh_sartay]

​@@one_step_sideways Автор серб, к вашему сведению

[@VishnuKamath]

Do you think China wont sell their train sets?

[@trailwayt9H337]

Very simple and very Excellent explaination for Russian high speed trains ❤️👍

[@afizi1213]

for me if german japan itali france or china agree to get tender make hsr in malaysia singapore line it can be the game changer that malaysia will be thanks for a lot for financial and support

[@glorf1234]

So Siemens will be replaced by CRCC in the near future. China has by far the most experience with hsr. The same is happening with cars. Chinese cars are already pretty good and advancing fast. The looser here is Siemens long term not Russian hsr. If there is demand and proper political will a hsr will be built and extended and all the best know how is no longer concentrated in the west.

[@TheRandCrews]

I feel like with the Siemens Velaro Novo being chosen for Brightline West rolling stock, they would’ve just switched Russian HSR to a new American HSR when it finally opens either that or California or both using their trains leading to a network or expansion. North America still got a chance as a new staging ground for HSR for Asian and European expertise to tinker on from possible Canadian & Mexican proposals. Edit: Practically Siemens would fare way better in North America than in Russia

[@hackbrettschorsch6855]

Or maybe Siemens doesnt care about all of this and just felt it was morally wrong to do business in a country that is waging wars of conquest against its neighbors.

[@Peizxcv]

Especially since CHR3 is the same train as Velaro but 300mm wider like Sapsan and China have CHR3 all figured out

[@PtrkHrnk]

@@Peizxcv Speaking of the trains being 300 mm wider, *why don't European trains use full width* of the loading gauge?

[@huwillysh]

@@PtrkHrnki think you are confused between rail gauge (distance between rails) and the loading gauge (maximum cross-sectional dimensions of rail vehicles) . EU standard loading gauge is 3150mm max width whereas Chineses standard is 3400mm max, despite both using the 1435mm rail gauge

[@jonathanbutson1385]

Part of the story is that Siemens paid all the Russian workers it had to make redundant a very generous redundancy. Siemens are a very good company to work for (I work for Siemens and they have really looked after me well.)

[@SG003]

I can't figure out this is AI voice or not

[@Kreicss]

7:18 where is this video from?

[@odess4sd4d]

Amazing channel. I had no idea there are russian gauge high speed trains. Love learning something new.

[@RailwaysExplained]

Thanks 😁

[@spetz911]

I’d call these trains as “not so fast speed” instead of HSR

[@morganangel340]

American-like HSR

[@Любадрель-у9з]

If 250 km/h is not so high speed... Then half of Europe's high speed railways are not high speed.

[@mh3535]

Holy s#!t at 12:15.

[@JohnnyAngel8]

So Russia didn't like Siemens' unilateral decision to leave? That's rich ... considering Russia unilaterally decided to ignore internationally recognized borders when it invaded Crimea and Ukraine.

[@Admin-gm3lc]

Not unilaterally. Since USA doesn't ever recognises those borders in its invasions, for example in Syria, which recognises all Russian claims btw, it creates a precedent, which is a basis of the law in the western school of law. So condemning Russian actions is pretty rich for that hypocrites. No wonder everyone in South America, Africa and Asia hates them.

[@primercommentario]

EXACTLY!!

[@fontenbleau]

And you throw away like 99% of all your stuff after China invades Taiwan? Even after this war starts you still get many made in China goods which impossible to replace. Self-sustaining is a policy of North Korea 😂 Are you living there, or in global economy?

[@glenfarmer1783]

Maybe you should do independent research before blaming Russia for joining a civil war which started in 2014 left 16k women and Children dead and Ukraine breaking both accords Minsk1 and Minsk2... But Russia will make it don't worry the world doesn't revolve around the West anymore... Things has massively changed since the Soviets collapsed and USA is collapsing slowly but surely and would pull the EU with them 😅...

[@amk6266]

Considering that the dissolution of USSR was done without properly asking Soviet people what they want, talking about those "internationally recognized" borders is just nonsense. There's no global democracy with fair global elections, just accept that. 😅

[@ce1834]

Future of the Russian network looks pretty bleak, Moscow-Kazan has not even started, with government questioning return on investment. Siemens has also pulled out of manufacturing their "400km/h" train. The Russian government likes to talk a lot, but the investment often does not match the language they use 💀

[@ryssa2409]

Actually they're busy developing a new train which will probably get unveiled with the new track, like they did with ivolga and mtsd and es104

[@artulyanoff]

РДЖ вместо Эр Жэ Дэ - это просто умора😂😂😂

[@aleksejtigrov]

Где такое?

[@artulyanoff]

@@aleksejtigrov во всем видео чувак так говорит

[@aleksejtigrov]

@@artulyanoff рыжыд он говорит же

[@leper2698]

Это конечно смешно что Сименс типо поставками займётся в Прибалтику, Украину или Казахстан. Тут только если сама Германия будет за них платить особенно за Украину и Прибалтику, так как у них нет столько денег

[@eugeniodimilano]

Да и украины не будет.... Германия сама бы коньки не отбросила

[@josephfox7969]

1520mm.

[@Marcyl13x]

7:22 Nah how can't bro hear such a noisy train

[@morganangel340]

Vodka.

[@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter]

Nice clickbait, but seriously, if Russians can't reverse-engineer the spares themselves, they can easily buy the Chinese replacements with all that cash 12:42 they'll get from Siemens breaching the contract. Siemens is not just loosing important market, but the future ones who will look elsewhere for a reliable partner.

[@emjayay]

Yeah, I'm sure that Siemens will get right on paying those fines.

[@Vanya7917]

НА каждую хитрую гайку есть болт с резьбой. Санкции -санкциями, это скорее театр для публики. А поезда как обслуживались, так и обслуживаются, через ряд фирм прокладок.

[@Scorpitarios]

Russian should buy some modified Fuxing Hao CR300AF from China.

[@one_step_sideways]

No, we shouldn't. We should develop our own bullet trains. We once developed the fastest diesel locomotive ever, which still has the record to this day. A joint Russian-Chinese development would be fine, but outright buying Chinese-designed trains is no good.

[@db4423]

9:40 so it's like the other companies that "left" Russia because of the ridiculous war in Ukraine.....they're still in Russia, they're just called differently and have a different "boss"...quite a nice theater around all that

[@garrywallace1007]

All I know is that I was served a very large vodka in 1st class

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

This is one of the best railway channels on KZbin but I wish you had covered another topic. But this does bring up a new catigory you could create. Potential railway/hi-speed railway lines because one of the top ones I have thought about on several occasions would be a Moscow/St. Petersburg/Murmansk high-speed railway network.

[@trainmaster9323]

And what about Talgo trains in Rusia? There are no Talgos in China so...

[@dmytro_beton]

Amazing video!

[@AHotkovo]

Они нафиг не нужны. Вся Америка летает самолётами и забыла про поезда

[@klounader]

Плохо нам даются самолёты. Поезда даются лучше. Пусть будут поезда, раз на то пошло.

[@AHotkovo]

@@klounader я не против обычных поездов. Но считаю развитие высокоскоростных дальнемагистральных пассажирских линий, на железной дороге, тупиковой и дорогой затеей

[@klounader]

@@AHotkovo когда-то так и про компьютеры говорили. рано или поздно появятся и высокоскоростные грузовые железнодорожные магистрали. всему своё время и деньги.

[@nettlecarrier8259]

XD From the creators of "Russia's economy is ruined", "Russia is running out of missiles", "Russia will default", "Russia will collapse in a couple of months", "Russia is just a gas station masquerading as a country", "Russia is Nigeria with snow" and other masterpieces of Western copium. The great specialists of "Railway Explained" cannot even name Russian railway gauge correctly LOL

[@РайанКупер-э4о]

I don't understand concerns. Russian train and railway industry is on the rise and there russian high-speed train in design already.

[@vgb7843]

Покупать нужно только то, что не можешь делать сам! В России много талантливых инженеров, и более 40 лет опыта по производву скоростных поездов! Думаю проблема как всегда в коррупции высших чиновников.

[@Empty-i2m]

Конечно, нафига производить что то самим ? Легче закупить 100 штук у Германии для Москвы и Питера😢

[@OrekhovSD]

Проблема не в коррупции. Проблема в том, что на такие проекты решаться надо. Чтобы соединить большую часть Германии, нужно 600 км дороги, у нас же 600 км дороги - это только два главных города. Тут либо надо делать всё и сразу, либо вообще не делать, как это у США происходит. Авиация и частный автотранспорт, что ещё для счастья надо?

[@Empty-i2m]

@@OrekhovSD в Китае тоже огромные расстояния, но ЖД там на высоком уровне, насчёт авиации согласен, но аэропортов у нас не очень много и в нашем случае на самолётах летать можно только между крупными городами, да и цены на авиабилеты не особо то и низкие

[@vgb7843]

@@OrekhovSD Думаю сразу не получится, а вот поэтапно, начиная с двух главных городов можно! Понятно что расстояния в Европе гораздо меньше, а в США очень развита авиация и региональная и континентальная. Но имея свои скоростные поезда и опыт полученный в ходе строительства и эксплуатации этой линии, можно постепенно развивать сеть дальше, там где это целесообразно В любом случае требуется реконструкция существующей инфраструктуры, для обеспечения большей пропускной способности и как следствие увеличение скорости..

[@MegaBugabu]

Russia buys all the necessary parts in China. Not a single high-speed train stopped. The only consequence of the sanctions is that Russia will never buy trains from Siemens again. New high-speed trains will be purchased in China or ordered from Russian manufacturers. Perhaps China will localize the production of high-speed trains in Russia.

[@jeanbonnefoy1377]

Longest double track railway in world??? 🤔🤔🤔

[@bagamax]

Maybe longest high speed double track railway in world. If not considering high speed, then the Transsib is 10000km double track.

[@RailwaysExplained]

It was longest double track rail line at the time it was constructed.

[@vovinio2012]

In the time of construction. 1852 or so...

[@EdgyNumber1]

Gerhard Schroeder - persistently in Putin's pocket.

[@Admin-gm3lc]

You know, since Germany stopped being "Putin's puppet", and actually turned into american one, it shot iself in the foot with a shotgun? I'm talking about Nordstream, of course. Where's the investigation? That's why Scholz party is now in the trashcan while Putin, Orban and Trump's friends AFD are on the record rise.

[@physiocrat7143]

German and EU self-harm again.

[@agnelodsa788]

Who is speaking? Some eastern european immigrant paid to soesk against Russia or the soviet union.

[@Dqtube]

If you're wondering who's behind the channel, I can recommend their vlog from their trip to a conference in Poland approx. 6 months ago.

[@Ven100]

Nice video. Although a few speed bumps along the way are inevitable, i don't forsee a long term problem here for Russia. Between cannibalizing posts or making their own parts, China will be happy to make money off this. Likely China already has parts for their own Velaros. In the future I'm sure we'll just see CRH trains in Russia.

[@EinChris75]

CRH 300 are basically Siemens Velaros. Currently China still buys parts from Siemens for that trains. But considering the way China handles copyright and IP, they might soon start making them on their own. And then a very familiar looking CRH 300RU will replace the Velaros and Russias position as a Chinese lap dog will be even more solidified.

[@des_smith7658]

Is there anything about Russia that isn't doomed

[@one_step_sideways]

Not if you don't stop listening to the so-called butthurt belters (youtubers and others originating from the Baltic belt countries) and the American MSM propaganda

[@skakalinvlad]

На дрезинах будем кататься, поскольку тяговые инверторы свои не делаем, как и компоненты для них.

[@mishibird]

The ICE3 is actually capable of 320kph

[@diedampfbrasse98]

330kph even, but pointless here given that the russian derivative is a very different train

[@aleksander1982]

Talgo was not intended to replace sapsan on Moscow - NN line. Talgo was used on the Moscow - Berlin line. With covid 19 pandemic all borders were closed down ans Talgo trains were set on Moscow - NN lone temporary.

[@primercommentario]

Nope, you misunderstood them, Slav! The Talgos have been running between Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod since June 2015! Not the pandemic!

[@florvienlawan6093]

China built raiway in russia.

[@NikolayRyabkov]

Somehow you think that Russia can’t do things themselves/get it from states that respect contractual agreements. Russia went to space, I bet they can figure out high speed rail

[@joem0088]

They can figure it out of course but the Russian market is not big enough to be efficient. Better solution is to switch rolling stock to Chinese standard. That's more efficient financially and goes much faster.

[@hackbrettschorsch6855]

Russia went to space and hasn‘t invented toilet paper at the same time. But this time they wont be able to kidnap German scientists to build their HS train.

[@lossantos777]

It was not Russia that flew into space, but the USSR, and Russia still uses the achievements of the USSR Russia is not the USSR, no matter how you think there

[@Ponyalaa]

Russia can't do things themselves, USSR maybe could, russia can't

[@NikolayRyabkov]

@@hackbrettschorsch6855this (despite being fake and reversed - just read the von brauns’ bio) does not make my statement wrong.

[@qolspony]

Every country who wants high speed rail need to look at this video. Because this rail company does not stand by it contract.

[@emjayay]

Well maybe if they refrain from attacking a neighboring country that was doing nothing to hurt them, acting like Germany in WWII, Siemens will not cancel their 500 million Euro contract.

[@ce1834]

Yes, because Siemens asked Putin to invade Ukraine - Logic 10/10 lol

[@RaquelLeães]

Por isso que eu amo a Rússia. BULLET TRAIN KKKKK

[@sirindag2222]

Какой дикарь.... А строит из себя такого умника.... Тошнит.....

[@tnickknight]

They should have been built on Chinese tech, it will make things easier when they take over 👍😀

[@vavord5181]

Somebody still believing in Chinese expansion elsewhere except Taiwan? What a wonderful world of dreams, I must say. . .

[@tnickknight]

@@vavord5181 no both. Maybe you have. It noticed Russia is becoming massively weaker, while China makes enormous amounts of money off the situation. China has already started using historical claims to parts of Russia . It's only a matter of time. Maybe pay attention 😂

[@K2teknik.]

So High-Speed Trains in Russian should be doomed ? Well they did buy from Siemens just because it was faster and cheaper then building their own, at a point in time starting around 2008 and especially after 2014 they realized that "We need to make stuff at home, we are depending to much on foreign knowledge, know how, and most important willingness to cooperate", but that is a huge train to turn-around, but results are slowly showing up, now Russia is a net food exporter, train services is renewed and expanded faster than ever, asphalt roads are repaired faster than ever and new roads is paved at a high rate, Russia is one of the leading producer of asphalt (bitumen) in the world, a lot of infrastructure is updated over the last 10 years. When we are talking trains then there had been a upgrade of Metro trains build in Russia with foreign parts over the last 8 years or so, it had been halted and replaced by a program with trains made with Russian, and other friendly country's parts, same story with trams, busses, and trolleybuses, programs to design, build (with Russian parts) new rolling stock is in place and new stuff is showing up on the streets right now. You can always discuss whether the design is beautiful, functional or what, that's another conversation, but Russia has rarely won beauty contests when it comes to infrastructure design. Stuff produced in Russia with Russian parts is expensive, often more expensive than imported stuff from western countries, the raw material is local, the energy for the manufacturing process is cheap, labor is also cheap, but the final product is expensive, someone makes a hell of a lot of money somewhere in the system, and the money is there to pay.

[@AMPProf]

WAR

[@fontenbleau]

Yes, it will be chinese trains definetely after this. In China fast speed trains servicing very rural villages, technology was stolen from Siemens. But the main problem of russian trains is very high prices, it's uncompetitive with airlines and presumably whole project is huge hole to spent state budget. I used lowcoster airplane which costs x6 cheaper.

[@farmerdave7965]

Some American convinced Russian aristocracy that the track gauge should be 5 feet.

[@TheUrosm1982]

Pohvale za kanal. Bilo bi lepo da imate i kanal na srpskom, ili makar titlove na ovom.

[@marzuraanmarzuraan1226]

From the evidence presented it looks more like Siemens is doomed, not Russian high speed rail. RZhD will buy new trains from Chinese CRRC or other Chinese train manufacturing company. Sadly Germany's deindustrialization will continue until it becomes an independent country

[@R4z0rLP]

Siemens is doomed? Their doing just fine. Ur just an troll account.

[@marzuraanmarzuraan1226]

@@R4z0rLP "Siemens Energy stock plunged by around 37% on June 23, while other wind companies also saw shares retreat as investors worried that the problems at Gamesa might be a symptom of a wider issue for the industry." Doesn't sound like " just fine" to me

[@R4z0rLP]

@@marzuraanmarzuraan1226Siemens energy is just one part of Siemens. First u talk Siemens is doomed because of Chinese trains and now you switch to Siemens energy.

[@questionmaker5666]

Russia isn't Siemens main market. Germany is an independent country, IDK how you'd think otherwise.

[@Любадрель-у9з]

Russia will release its high-speed train in a few years, development has been going on for about a year. Just a month ago, a train came out for a run-in, which will replace the "Lastochka" from Siemens. It is 99% of Russian parts.