Russian Nuclear Battlecruiser - Pyotr Velikiy

[@leelawrence1557]

I got to go aboard the Kirov when I was stationed on board USS Yorktown CG48. We visited Severomorsk Russia, and the Kirov was anchored out in the harbor. Come to find out that the Kirov was getting ready to go through overhaul when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. The screws had been removed and were being refurbished in Leningrad. The tour was an eye opener. Impressive from a distance. But once on board I saw alot of rust, degraded material condition of water tight doors, frayed wiring on various weapons systems, and how antique the combat information center was. They were using 50s and 60s vacuum tube technology on radars. The kicker was the rat infestation on. The Russian sailors even had pet names for the more brazen ones.

[@dwi2921]

Is that really all that surprising though? After Khrushchev got ousted everything was pretty much down hill for the USSR. All the progress made stagnated and a bunch of mooks took over. Culminating in Brezhnev, who was basically a disaster of a leader. Stability was strong during his rule yes but nothing ever progressed. Everything stayed the same, which is how he and the party wanted it. That's the thing about dictatorships. If the leadership doesn't want anything to happen, nothing happens. Even upgrades and maintenance. Basically, the writing was on the all for the USSR in the 70s. If more dynamic leaders had taken power (especially younger ones) maybe things would have been different but that never came to pass. We basically see the same thing happening in the modern Russian Federation in some respects. While they have made some pretty interesting advances in firearms technology, everything has been pretty disastrous. All the stagnation caused by the USSR has yet to be repaired. Perhaps thankfully, depending of your perspective.

[@leelawrence1557]

@@dwi2921 I think you meant Gorbachev then Yeltsin was his successor.

[@dimwitsixtytwelve]

Sounds like Ukraine would be doing them a favour by sinking it.

[@dwi2921]

@@leelawrence1557 No I ment Khruschchev

[@leelawrence1557]

@@dwi2921 Yeah, I didn't catch the whole post. My apologies.

[@clockworkgnome]

Not in the Black Sea…She’s the flagship of the Northern Fleet.

[@Cramblit]

She's the only ship of the Northern Fleet at this point lmao. Russians have the same situation japan and Germany did in WWII. They don't want to actually put their flagships in service in the war, thus making them entirely wasted resources.

[@gromxxx]

@@Cramblit they cant bring this ship to Black Sea. Turkey wont allow it and nuclear powered vessels are not allowed in the Black Sea as per Montre doctrine

[@geraldrobichaud349]

@@gromxxx please educate me, what if Russia decides to take it to the Black Sea anyway? As they don’t seem to care about what other people think anyway? Just asking

[@gromxxx]

@@geraldrobichaud349 they wont be able to. That means passing the Turkish territorial waters in contravention of the ratified Montreaux Convention and in Violation of their Sovereignty.

[@SourSoup87]

@@geraldrobichaud349 Passing through the straits or at least forcing a passage would require an entire journey through dardanelles, marmara sea, and bosphorus. Montreaux treaty forces black sea coastal countries to identify their black sea fleet therefore allowing the registered ships passage through the straits and let them berth in black sea ports for long periods, If the Russians wish to force an entry, with a ship that does not belong to the black sea fleet, that might very well damn start the WW3, as it will left Turkey with no option but to sink it, If it cannot be returned back of course, causing a counterattack from Russia, which then will cause the world to go up in flames.

[@TheCaptainbeefylog]

At 9:51 you state his top speed at 37 kilometres per hour. It's actually listed at 37 knots which is more like 60 kilometres per hour. For a ship this big 37 kilometres per hour is fatally slow. Also 3 inches of armor would be like cardboard to a modern warhead. The armor in questions is only around his reactor spaces with splinter shielding in the rest of the hull. An armour-piercing shell from an Iowa would likely go clean through him before detonating. As far as I can tell Pyotr Velikiy is in the Barents Sea with the Northern Fleet based at Severomorsk and waiting for Nakimov to complete refitting. They will then swap over with Admiral Nakimov taking over as flagship while Pyotr refits.

[@rodionromanovich449]

I just want to say how much I love your channels. Had this old timer as an instructor in our aircraft structural technology classes that let us watch Dark Skies. It was dope. Now I get Dark Seas?! Shhhiiiiiiiiit

[@ww2planes_810]

I think Dark forgot to add the nuclear part when talking about the largest warship made other than carriers.

[@ww2planes_810]

@@zachjohnson357 lol agreed. That's the reason why I think he missed a VERY key word 😆

[@technophant]

Wikipedia supports this statement.

[@scottn7cy]

@@technophant Right but it was in the intro teaser so we would have liked to have heard more.

[@davidsuarez1279]

its classified there is no info on it

[@ww2planes_810]

@@davidsuarez1279 On the size of the ship?

[@Shipwright1918]

Thing is, the Kirovs also have conventional boilers (notice the funnel for the smoke?) as a backup, so she's technically a hybrid propulsion plant.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Given that the Russians can't get a conventional plant to work (yes, Kuznetsov, I did look at you) it probably also has holes in the sides for oars.

[@ICU1337]

They did mention that in this video. And it seems from other posters comments about this ship, the reactors didnt really work so it was mostly using the conventional powerplant. I tell ya, Russia knows how to put together a great and fearsome spec sheet for its military equipment. But upon further look and practical applications...

[@Achilles.channel]

Well i the Uss Arizona they didn't mademit to make holes for their units

[@alexanderpettit2106]

This gets my steel hard on how they pumped this ship up.

[@locoman888]

​@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320check out Russian frigate Admiral Gorskhov class then wait on refitted sister to Peter the Great Admiral Nachimov just about ready for sea trials after her refit.

[@Posaint]

Not the largest warship ever produced besides aircraft carriers. Iowa class battleship, and Yamato class battleships were much bigger, in weight, beam and length. Even Alaska class Battlecruisers of the U.S. Navy were bigger.

[@macbomb]

Sometimes I wonder about these videos. These "Dark ____" channels sound good but almost always have major factual errors.

[@sengalsolutions7386]

These videos are slanted towards a certain audience

[@sergeantblue6115]

biggest MODERN battlecruiser

[@icewaterslim7260]

@@sergeantblue6115 That's what it should've said but it said "the largest ever assembled besides aircraft carriers.". So something got left out. Dark Seas did a pretty informative piece on the wartime Japanese Long Lance Torpedo but starts this one with a mistake. I suggest proofing before posting might be advisable.

[@senorpepper3405]

@@macbomb always

[@stevengrotte6732]

6:27 The IOWAS, Battleships of WW2 weighed 65,000 tons about 2 and a half times the weight of this Russian Battle Cruiser class.

[@MegaDobieDog]

Yamato was 70000+ if i recall correctly. So yeah hardly a largest ship ever build XD And if Kirovs were kept like everything else in russia it's more of a danger to it self than anything she might face against.

[@rayshewmaker34]

Russian Ships are Pier Queens. And apparently their Air Defences are poor performing.

[@everydayhero5076]

Leave it to Dark to get at least one thing wrong in every video.

[@spaceman081447]

@Steven Grotte The displacement(s) of the Iowa-class battleships were as follows: 47,825 long tons (48,592 t) (standard) 57,540 long tons (58,460 t) (full load) 60,000 long tons (61,000 t) (full load) (New Jersey 1968) Reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship

[@locoman888]

Yea so?

[@lightspeedvictory]

FYI, Peter the Great is the flagship of the Northern Fleet and is nowhere near the Black Sea. Kirov’s aren’t the largest surface combat ships ever built, as that belongs to the Yamato and Iowa class battleships. You also mispronounced Eilat. It’s pronounce aye-lat, not Elliot. Arleigh Burke class destroyers have around 90 VLS cells, while the Ticonderoga class cruisers have around 122. Also, IIRC they only have 76mm of armor around the reactor. And the Iowa class battleships being reactivated in response to the Kirov’s was only a secondary reason, the primary/main reason being simply to help accomplish Reagan’s 600 Ship Fleet Initiative *eye twitches in annoyance at the incorrect designation of battle cruiser

[@kalzonenu]

A battleship vs a hypersonic or a simple Cruise misile should be over pretty fast. Also Iowa that hamburgerman garage aint even Close to Yamato!

[@eepyautumn]

I think he was only talking about Nuclear ships with regards to the size.

[@lightspeedvictory]

@@kalzonenu you say that but several studies have shown that modern anti-ship cruise missiles are the equivalent of 8 inch (203mm) rifles, which battleships can easily withstand. By extrapolation, hypersonic missiles would be around the equivalent of battleship caliber rifles on the higher end of the spectrum, in theory able to withstand at the minimum a couple of hits (might still receive significant damage but at the very least still be afloat, if not still mission capable). Also, the Yamato class may be wider and displace more, but the Iowa class is longer

[@MikeOxlong-]

There’s practically not a single video that doesn’t have numerous (and sometimes serious) issues with these and other inconsistencies... Barking at them seems to do absolutely nothing, as the narrator is blind (seriously), and whoever does these write ups (or anyone else) don’t seem to engage with comments ever...

[@StevieMoore]

you forgot to mention that it wouldn't last but a few minutes in an engagement with a western Nato or US navy.

[@anthawks9374]

This channel is one of my favorites...thank you...

[@timdelvillar8063]

I love how you included footage of stacks and triple 16" turrets when discussing USS Long Beach (CGN-9), none of which she had.

[@thefrunze.198]

the guy needs to do more research, this channel is quite bad to be honest

[@snidelywhiplash1888]

The only content I look forward to. Keep up the great subject matter!!

[@Drosera420]

Almost twice as many missiles as our Arleigh Burke class ships! Good thing we have 70 of them...

[@sambrown8224]

yes, also 28,000 long tons vs 8,900 long tons so half as many for 4 times the size lol

[@danielch6662]

3.146 times. I think it is more appropriate to round down.

[@dougerrohmer]

@@danielch6662 IF you said 3.1416, I would have said "Pi see what you did there..." but you ruined it for both of us.

[@neilbaird2789]

I remember these things not being able to actually run on their nuclear plants very well back in the 80s and 90s. Nearly every time we saw one of these things, it was running on conventional power plant because the reactors wouldnt remain stable for long underway. The only real threat this things posed was the ability to fire missiles at a target 300 miles away if they had good satellite data to make the launch.

[@orchidorio]

Look at the Admiral Kuznetsov. What a joke. What must it be like on deployment? How's morale? How much are they drinking? Do they sit around a lot? 6222

[@wisedevolver2741]

@@orchidorio Oh, that thing is a joke. The sailors aren't sitting around much, I'm sure they're much too busy rowing! They are supposed to be the second most powerful navy on the planet, and they can't even get a conventionally powered engine to run right! You can see the smoke from that thing from 75 miles away.

[@lexburen5932]

@@wisedevolver2741 lol i like your uneducated indoctrinated comment.

[@locoman888]

​@@orchidorioyou sound very racist...put a sock in it.

[@kfeltenberger]

28,000 tons and the "largest warships ever assembled besides aircraft carriers"...um...yeah...you couldn't be more wrong. I suggest you look up what battleships and some battlecruisers displace...use some of the money you make from these videos to do some research.

[@GeorgeSemel]

Well in the Post World War II era the statement would be true. The Era of the Battleship died in 1941 When a cheap airplane and a torpedo can doom a vessel. The Bismark comes to mind, and then the Yamoto that wound up being a giant waste of money and effort to the strapped economy of the Empire of Japan.

[@d.olivergutierrez8690]

Wait, almost the size of yamato but only 28000 tons? This thing is a glass cannon

[@kfeltenberger]

@@GeorgeSemel Gee, George, thanks for the history lesson. :-| This channel makes sweeping claims devoid of context. There's a *lot* that's wrong with this video.

[@markwheeler202]

@@d.olivergutierrez8690 That 78 mm (3") armor plating won't stop much.

[@Wooargh]

Research has been replaced by Google. But it's OK because Google is 100% unbiased and uncensored.

[@lisab3396]

Beautiful Lines of This Ship.

[@Fxlco]

Every ships has its own special ability.. But this one is outstanding!

[@aviationgaming1564]

“The largest produced warship other than carriers” Yamato class: am I a joke to you

[@rebeccahowington2703]

Iowa Class: "What Yamato said"

[@paulwuzhere]

Yamato is a joke to everyone

[@Cramblit]

@@rebeccahowington2703 He forgot the Nuclear part. It's the largest nuclear powered ship other than the U.S. Carriers.

[@hattrick8684]

At only 28,000 tonnes there’s a lot of ships smaller then Yamato that would dwarf a Kirov. Not just BB(Battleships) but CA(heavy cruiser) CB(Large cruisers) and CC/BC(Battle cruisers) either surpassed it or came fairly close. Alaska class CB-34,000, Admiral class CC/BC - 45,000, Des Moines CA - 21,000.

[@hattrick8684]

That’s not mentioning all of the Battlecruisers, fast battleships and full on battleships that came in between 30-70,000.

[@keeroy]

"largest warships ever built besides aircraft carriers" - this quotation is fundamentally incorrect whether applied on the pre-war or on post-war standards. even in the pre-war era nearly every battleship was larger than the kirov-class. even some dreadnoughts from the 1st WW. and after the war the HMS vanguard was launched as the last battleship and compared to it the kirov-class looks like a neat dwarf-couple. and not mentioning the iowa-class during its active duty. so maybe there could be some closer explanation concerning the verity of this assertion.

[@DataWaveTaGo]

Dark Seas tends to slide over the falls and into the rocks below when it comes to facts. Don't know why. People have pointed this out from time to time.

[@Qbgarden]

Yea, iowa fully loaded i believe is close to 3 of these, and besides the many numerous battleships being longer and having more displacement, even some ww2 era cruisers were bigger, like Alaska but some people consider battle/heavy cruisers as pocket battleships . It makes sense that ships from that era would be bigger and heavier because nothing we ve really built since 1950 besides carriers were meant to survive multiple hits and still be able to carry out their missions. Im not sure why we dont armor our ships like we used to. Maybe we cant armor them enough to matter anymore or maybe its to save money. Im sure not having close quarters gun battles anymore went into the desision to no longer add tons of armor but i would think it would still help the survival of ships from torpedos, missles and bombs.

[@aland7236]

Cunningham's law. This channel provokes it all the time. I'm just here for the pictures.

[@Qbgarden]

Oh. He missed a very important clarification. -biggest NUCLEAR ship other than carriers. Makes much more sense.

[@paulcarey1708]

There were multiple classes of battleships close to twice that size. The Yamato was over 70,000 tonnes....I.e. more than twice. BUT... nit picking aside, still love the dark seas/skies videos.

[@lriper4702]

What a great ship.

[@WildBillCox13]

"37 kph." (22mph). Correction: ship speeds are measured in knots-nautical miles per hour. A Kilometer is 60% of a standard 5280' mile. A Nautical Mile is 6000' versus the Standard Mile's 5280'. So, when the Kirovs are clocked at 37 nautical miles per hour (very fast for a warship; almost 42mph): they're a LOT faster than 37kph/22mph.

[@WildBillCox13]

For comparison, an Iowa class battleship (a WW2 era "fast" battleship) could make 35kts in a light sea. Most WW2 fleet carriers (RN, USN, IJN) could make at least 30kts. The fastest regular naval unit (ship or boat) was the US Pegasus class hydrofoil, which could make 48kts by straining every rivet.

[@Schwarzenfels]

@@WildBillCox13 And then there was the also Russian K-222 submarine, which clocked almost 45 knots completely submerged!

[@WildBillCox13]

@@Schwarzenfels Thanks for the additional data.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

@@Schwarzenfels Moskva was faster, but only vertically downwards.

[@LERobbo]

I love this channel. The videos are always well narrated and very educational! Thank you!

[@HollywoodMarine0351]

This channel also always makes factual errors. Pyotr Velikiy is not with the Black Sea Fleet but at Murmansk with the Northern Fleet.

[@AScottish-AustralianM-84]

She may be a Russian warship but Pyotr Velikiy will always be my favourite warship.

[@chuckh.2227]

Bro that is one BAD ASS ship!

[@fredericoeusebio9770]

This ship is the closest thing we have to a guided missle battleship

[@riskinhos]

it's an heavy nuclear missile cruiser. that's the official designation of the kirov class. it IS a guided missile battleship.

[@waterz2415]

guided missile battleship at home:

[@cuppotea]

. Yamato . musashi . bismarck . tirpitz . Iowa . missouri . wisconsin . The other iowa class . scharnhorst is think they were all greater than 28k tons

[@riskinhos]

@@cuppotea of those only the updated iowa class had missiles. and only very few. like 10% of what kirov has. it's not even in the same league.

[@damedusa5107]

@@cuppotea what’s your point? All them ships would be sunk by this cruiser .

[@allgood6760]

Awesome firepower! 👍

[@joegordon5117]

Can't help but think, despite the massive firepower, this is more for a show of strength than actual combat, as it is a big, juicy target in any shooting war, and likely to end up like the much-vaunted Russian cruiser they were so proudly using off the Ukranian coast, until the Ukraine forces took care of it

[@facelikedog]

Kinda like an aircraft carrier target wise?

[@Cheese_Boi1986]

@@facelikedog no because aircraft carriers have many more things going for it for starters your not really gonna get close to a carrier group they fight from 100s of miles away and the carrier group itself will stop the majority of attacks against the carrier and the air wings will defend against other jets or in some cases long range missiles while conducting strikes of its own

[@robert48044]

military assets are made to be lost

[@mikebauer6917]

The KV-2 of the fleet.

[@robert48044]

@@mikebauer6917 sometimes your choices at flexing military muscle is limited. I thought about this before. What do you do if you can't build reliable propulsion and your 1 carrier is a complete mess, build big and put a million missiles on it.

[@richardpatton2502]

“The largest warships ever produced other than aircraft carriers”….and battleships! Some were just about double the tonnage of Kirov All the best to everyone

[@Samaldoful]

Exactly!

[@0Zolrender0]

I think they ment after WW2

[@rahimjoseph211]

@@0Zolrender0 they should have made that more clear if that is the case

[@HailAzathoth]

try triple.

[@sergeantblue6115]

he said MODERN not ducking ww2

[@jackremington8888]

I love dark sea's voice. Its very deep and relaxing.

[@GeorgeSemel]

Well, I think the best option for the Russians right now, as far as Pytor Velikiy is concerned is to stay in whatever port she is a berth in. That Ship would be a really juicy target for the Ukrainian Navy ( Land) not to attack if at all possible. As for the Ship itself, it has really nice lines. But the Russians stuff too many weapon systems on their ships, thus diluting the mission. And with that, it's very hard to keep everything up to snuff. The Russians seem to have real problems when it comes to keeping stuff in good shape for use. Trucks and Tanks are a lot easier to keep in good repair.

[@loganholmberg2295]

Also I hear their damage control facilities and training is pretty lack luster compared to NATO ships which probably explains the Ukrains supposed success in sinking one. At the end of the day the Russians can have all the wonder tech they want but if they keep shitting the bed when it comes to training they are going to never defeat the Ukrain or anyone else. I sometimes wonder if we had a nuclear war if half their weapons could hit the right continent. I think all the oligarks might have made their money by embezzling their military's training funds cause they are sure screwing the puch in the field.

[@mickstephenson]

It's almost a shame its not allowed to enter the Black Sea so Ukraine will never get the chance to sink it. Well not without being very very cunning anyway.

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

LOL Russia now controls the Black Sea, stop swallowing NATO propoganda

[@Alan-me8bs]

@@mickstephenson didn't the entire Ukrainian navy swap sides lol?

[@mickstephenson]

@@Alan-me8bs no, Russia seized some ships, a Navy is made up of it's personnel. Did it escape your attention that the Moskva was sunk with land based missiles?

[@garybrotherton5732]

This is a great channel.

[@henryD9363]

You're claiming that these 28,000 ton battlecruisers are the largest military ships ever produced, except aircraft carriers. The battleship Missouri, which appears briefly early in your video, is 48,000 tons. What are you talking about?

[@balaclavabob001]

Slaps Pyotr Velikiy on the roof ... " This bad boy can fit so many Ukrainian missiles in it."

[@tamer1773]

From what I recall reading many years ago the reason the Soviet ships had so many missile tubes was because they had limited ability to reload them at sea. I don't know if that was true of this class of cruiser and its VLS, but if you look at pictures of Soviet ships from that time period they have big missile launch tubes visible on deck that were "one and done" and had to be reloaded in port.

[@robertf3479]

Except for the "Granit" missile system there is nothing unique about the missile systems and missile stowage in these ships versus those found in other Russian cruisers or destroyers except perhaps the placement of the launcher / strike down systems. The numbers and placement would probably make this thing a bitch to reload even alongside a pier with crane services. I think the "Granit" launch tubes are set deep enough into the hull that, yeah ... a real PAIN to reload.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

They'd probably put them in the wrong way round.

[@leonflemming354]

Actually this is the case with pretty mutch every vertical launch system. The US experimented with replenishment at sea, but deemed it way to dangerous, even in calm seas. So reloading at harbour is always necessary

[@simonpitt8145]

@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 I do like your humour. This comment, and the one about the oars, had me in stitches.🤣

[@lexburen5932]

these have have a rotary loader wich can have up to 120 missile for each carrier

[@myrecreationalchannel7181]

Given what we've seen of Putin's military lately I'll be impressed if it is still seaworthy.

[@lordgarion514]

Umm, hate to have to be the one to tell you this. The Russian troops are outnumbered at least 6 to 1 by Ukrainian troops....... Well under 200,000 Russians, and they're taking land and cities from a *million person Ukrainian Army.* That's called amazing BTW...... You're being lied to a LOT. Such as Moskva. Sank with missiles my ass. Absolute fact that the American military has 24/7 satellite coverage of that whole area. So where's that footage showing missiles??? (And in 1990, 32 years ago, the American military showed off satellite footage so good in the Gulf war, that you could see a person's hand) Don't drink the kool-aid.

[@robertmuller5039]

It's not hasn't left port in 30yrs. None in service

[@CadmusVFX]

@@robertmuller5039 Amazing!

[@-Minto-]

right lol, like what good is 1 ship

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

So you believe Legacy Media that said Russia's army was all but beaten and now quietly admits Russia has landlocked Ukraine and owns the East which was always Russia's primary goal LOL You people are so gullible, and I'm from a 1st world allied nation yet I don;t fall for Western propaganda haha

[@DrDirt-fk5ls]

Pretty cool. But like most of the Russian's equipment...parts are made in France and Germany. I doubt they would deploy it.

[@robertmuller5039]

They can't all out of SERVICE

[@sergeantblue6115]

you seriously think america use only its own manufactured parts?

[@dirtblock4232]

I think it's a really cool looking design

[@Chris-ry3fr]

Wasn't the Iowa class larger and heavier?

[@ELIGG15]

Yes

[@CaseyRoman1]

Yup, Even the Tennessee class battleships built back around 1919 were bigger

[@teekey1754]

Who's building battle cruisers today ?

[@bentley4446]

Much heavier. Carrying bunker fuel adds a lot of weight that nuclear ships avoid (except the carriers jet fuel stores)

[@bristolpistol7860]

Love me some Iowa Class battle ships, but if monstrous ships were a feasible weapon the Montana Class Battle ships would have been built.

[@thebritishengineer8027]

I saw a report a year ago that Russia intends to field four ships, with a Kirov not in upgrade but being built from the ground up. Dependant on upgrade testing the new/refurbished ships will include improved radar including dual low frequency able to detect stealth, Predator torpedoes' the upgrade from the Shrieval (super cavitation at 248+ mph) and local defence replacing the AK-630 close in gun system 6 barrels/30mm with the AK-630 dual... giving 5000 rounds a minute of 30mm per barrel..

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Back in the real world, the money gets spent on drugs, hookers and yachts and one ship is built with wooden sides.

[@OneTruePhreak]

When Russia can build stealth, I'll believe they can detect it. Until such a day comes, they're what they've always been... Trash. No, the SU-57 is not a 5th gen stealth airframe. It's a 4th gen airframe and engine, with 5th gen clothes duct taped onto it, and the clothes tend to fall off regularly. It produces 4x the radar cross section of an actual stealth airframe, the F-35, when it's panels stay intact. Not to mention that there are only three in service, because they suck.

[@joelwillems4081]

The Russians are hanging on to the the ex-Soviet Navy ships by a fingernail. They have no potential to be building anything themselves larger than a destroyer for quite some time. Only two of the four Kirov-class ships have functional reactors, which means the last two probably won't be in operation beyond a decade. They are supposedly modernizing the Admiral Nakhimov to be followed by the Pyotr Velikiy. With the sanctions, they can't get upgrades and are probably just doing a rush job to replace the Moskva. The Pyotr Velikiy will not be seeing action in the Black Sea any time soon as Turkey is not allowing naval ships in or out. There are a decent number of Russian ships in the Med, but their fleet is comparable in size and firepower to the Italian fleet. And again, any large warships are getting quite old. The Kirov-class sound impressive on paper but we've seen what that means for Russian military.

[@robertmuller5039]

None are operational. All out of SERVICE

[@joelwillems4081]

@@robertmuller5039 One is supposedly being upgraded. But with the sanctions they can't get parts so they are rushing to get it back into service. I thought the "Peter the Great" was supposed to be in service in the Northern Fleet? I know the Russians don't like long patrols with their ships, preferring to keep them docked much more than at sea, but isn't she ready to sail?

[@robertmuller5039]

@@joelwillems4081 last July it put to sea. As of October it was towed to port leaky reactor

[@KubeczekplYT]

Designers: How much wepons you need? Soviet Russia: Yes...

[@colinfew6570]

Recent events has me thinking "is it though?" to every impressive stat.

[@robslade2571]

That red deck stands out like hell.

[@steveverhoef5667]

It’s a true classic, it would keep me up at night if was hunting my capital ships. Perhaps with a cunning crew it could take out a carrier.

[@balaclavabob001]

The russian sailors are all conscripts with little to no idea of what they're doing .

[@joshuaraewa-ay9684]

Indeed, a cunning crew can take out a carrier. Or even most of the battle group if it's refitted with hypersonic missiles instead of granit. I really expected the Russians to have a very competent crew. But after Moskva, I REALLY hope they are! Especially on their new modern ships. Moskva may have given the Russians a big blow to their face, but a Kirov class is just giving the navy a very serious wound and humiliation. Oh, I would very much like to command such vessel and go out hunt Carrier Battle Groups. Just please they are completely maintained and has no errors.

[@jaybee9269]

It’s a pretty ship. Just a target in wartime though. I tend to agree with submariners that there are two classes of ships: Submarines and targets.

[@OneTruePhreak]

ROFL 😂🤣😂 No.

[@benjaminrush4443]

Impressive! One on One the Battle Cruisers are far more powerful that the upgraded Iowa. But they travel alone with a submarine nearby. Iowa's travel with Battle Groups to enhance protection. They are old technology from the last century. Thanks.

[@DMS-pq8]

But the Iowa's thick armor would have let them absorb a lot a missile hits and keep on fighting

[@benjaminrush4443]

@@DMS-pq8 Yes. The Iowa could take a couple of good hits in the superstructure and would have to retire for repairs, but if that Battlecruiser made a mistake and got within range they would be in for a big surprise.

[@edwardloomis887]

Fact check: Iowa class battleships displaced 45,000 tons, and HMS Vanguard displaced 44,000, all more than Kirov and none were aircraft carriers.

[@spaceman081447]

@Edward Loomis The displacement(s) of the Iowa-class battleships were as follows: 47,825 long tons (48,592 t) (standard) 57,540 long tons (58,460 t) (full load) 60,000 long tons (61,000 t) (full load) (New Jersey 1968) Reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa-class_battleship

[@eskepan]

Not just anti ship missiles, but anti SHIPPING missiles! Must be damn powerful missiles to take out shipping as a concept.

[@IrenMasot]

Given the loss of the Moskva, the only worry I have about the Kirov class of cruiser is how long they will take to be added to the growing list of Russian submarines.

[@PaulOfPeace54]

Submarine would be an impressive addition to its capabilities.

[@apsgeneralstudies5673]

Keep dreaming about that.

[@RedXlV]

Pytor Velikiy won't be able to enter the Black Sea, because Turkey controls the only the entrance.

[@robertf3479]

@@RedXlV Even if Turkey allows entry I would be concerned about the damned thing hitting a mine or being hit by a missile and starting a fire or flooding that the crew couldn't handle. Russia has enough nuclear reactors on the bottom of the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic ... I do NOT want to hear of any sunk in the confined waters of the Black Sea. As we saw with the Moskva, the Russian Navy's damage control doctrines and training ... S. U. C. K. I speak as a former USN sailor, trained as a Repair Locker Leader and battlestation in D.C. Central. They should not have lost that ship.

[@RedXlV]

@@robertf3479 Seriously, USS Stark was hit by two Exocets and survived. Exocet actually has a larger warhead than Neptune, too. Sure, one of the Exocets that hit Stark was a dud. But Moskva was triple the size of Stark, and unlike Stark (which had an aluminum superstructure) was built entirely of steel. Moskva's loss was indeed colossal incompetence.

[@mauricedavis2160]

Very impressive battleship!!!🙏🤔

[@harlech2]

If she is in the North Sea, she ain't getting into the Black Sea. Turkey has closed the Bosporus to Russian ships.

[@harlech2]

@tacfoley She still ain't getting into the Black Sea, mate

[@greggkeith7600]

You should do a video on the USS Liberty incident.

[@d.e.1932]

Got to admit, the design is beautiful and impressive, and the weapons are badass. The cost of operations and maintenance must be insane.

[@HubertofLiege]

Wut is…….maintenance? Is keeping vodka bottle full, Ivan!

[@samesaw]

Amazing

[@chrispavin1373]

The antiquated controls in the helicopter are interesting.... as well as those on the ship. It looks like they have the same tech as North Korea.

[@Faith_Through_Struggle]

I can tell you from being on a ship and in secret* parts of the ship that it might look old but they most likely have had a lot of software updates and upgrades since commissioning.

[@chrispavin1373]

@@Faith_Through_Struggle gonna have to doubt that...their ships just like their tanks are antiques from decades ago. They don't have the money to take care of their equipment.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

The stock footage is OLD....but its unlikely that most of the avionics come close to modern standards.

[@georgeronn1263]

Wondering why you said twice in the presentation that this was the largest non-carrier built in tonnage? The Iowa class battleships were more than 50,000 tons while this ship is on 28,000 I believe you stated. Did I not hear correctly? Are you referring only to Russian ships?

[@danielt.8573]

It still has traditional weak points like the bridge, radar or propellers. Surgical attacks can cripple or disable it long enough for a fleet of enemy ships continuously shoot it.

[@robertmuller5039]

None in service

[@locoman888]

And US carriers have no vulnerabilities like sub par air defense?

[@mattgoff3352]

Everytime I played against these in Harpoon, Iowa’s could smack the crap out of them…. As long as i brought a Tico along.

[@johnnywindsor183]

The US has loads of A. Burke class destroyers 👍🏻

[@raynetorrin]

Yeah one on one maybe. But we have over 10 times the Burkes than they Have of those.

[@sergeantblue6115]

@@raynetorrin you seriously think pytor travels alone?

[@jooei2810]

Bring it to Black Sea and make it a submarine.

[@edgein3299]

The reason Russian ships have so many redundant weapons and sensors is because they don’t have the capability to repair anything at sea. If it breaks, it gets fixed in port by specialized technicians. We’re seeing that in the war with Ukraine where the tanks are abandoned if the break down. The soldiers aren’t taught how to fix things.

[@wilhelmcody5833]

Russia should have right to repair laws!

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

@@wilhelmcody5833 In Soviet Russia, equipment repairs YOU!

[@Alan-me8bs]

Source?

[@Centurion04]

This has been the Russian mindset for a full century, though. They understand that industrial might is probably the biggest force multiplier. The T-34 wasn't a good tank, they were just able to crank out tens of thousands of them.

[@emperorpower4714]

You really know how to lie

[@rogercarpenter3491]

I like this channel and your other ones, but there is always things wrong on this channel. Somethings have not been researched good enough. Some errors have been point out but the big one to me is that (I am paraphrasing) they were the reason that the Iowa class battleships were recommisioned @ 10:20 which is not true.

[@robertlewis8295]

Fortunately (for Russian prestige, the the environment, and any Ukrainian targets she would hit before she sank) she is not in the Black Sea. And Turkey appears to be fairly serious about not allowing the combatants to transfer warships to the Black Sea from other areas. And any way that she could try to force her way could probably be considered an attack on a NATO member country, which the Russians still appear to be sane enough to want to avoid.

[@FrederickTheAnon14W]

You sure about that? Russia threatened Finland and Sweden about them showing interest in joining NATO.

[@robertmuller5039]

None in service.

[@pattyjay9999]

She is a Beast!

[@TrineDaely]

If it gets cracked open like an Orlan-10, is it full of cheap parts from other countries?

[@wildcolonialman]

Fabulous fabulous. Truly fabulous Warships. Thank you, fabulous effort.

[@chrisangus7078]

Since it mentions battel ships of ww 2 .which most were heavier please get the facts rigth .

[@joshuaashioya9821]

So cool😍

[@emilianoc.6641]

Just a bigger Moskva/Москва cruiser, but nuclear·powered & Same Cold War relic.

[@Johnconno]

The pink deck is nice.

[@raddoctor5569]

I think I saw this ship. Scuba diving trip in Black sea.

[@vondahe]

I take it, then, it was above water? 😄

[@Vet-7174]

😂

[@jasonm949]

Were they next to the US nuke subs that sank? Do you really want me to embarrass you with the most recent US Navy failures? Because they are doozies.

[@charliemclegend4885]

Video starts at 7:14

[@blessedheavyelements8544]

Thanks! Best Regards!

[@br0k3nman]

Umm. From the beginning… its displacement a half of the Yamato class and most other WW2 battleships (American, British, Italian). Also, too bad she’s a big dumb, expensive, super expensive to maintain. Like all Russian equipment, there are probably a ton of maintenance issues, tons of grift and corners cut in every part, bad damage control systems and training, and has weak armor against modern missiles, with poor middle security below the decks. Russian incompetence and military corruption is legendary. Just ask the Moskva, which was reclassified as a submarine after having a “small fire”, I mean technical issues, I mean, went down in calm (oops, very very stormy waters) and definitely rescued all of her sailors. They’ve just decided to be to be able to be found.

[@RetiredSailor60]

I toured a Udaloy class DDG in 1992 while stationed in Bahrain. Attended a class in San Diego in 1986 to recognize Soviet ships, subs, and aircraft prior to my one and only Western Pacific Deployment....

[@centurion262]

Biggest combative ship that's not a carrier??? The Yamato begs to differ also at 28000 tons she's a light weigh compared to other ships that have been used!oh and the reason shes not been seen in the 64 (or what ever they said) ships in the Black Sea is cos she not there! Christ this channel needs to do basic checking before they make and post a video!

[@dennisg.4195]

The Japanese battleship Yamato fully loaded was 72,000 tons. Was bigger then the Iowa class. Had 18.1 inch rifles

[@marvwatkins7029]

An all-in-one ship.

[@Cheese_Boi1986]

shes got twice the firepower of her counter parts..... so what your saying is you just need two destroyers to match it? and how many do each side have of these ships? XD XD

[@jd4200mhz]

one ship is not a threat, no matter how powerfull it is, it is still vulnerable to mass attack and sworm attack, you do need a fleet of ships at that class level, for them to be truly dangerous

[@ptgtdcr]

Ukrainian missle boys: "Hold my vodka!!!"

[@knightstemplar738]

You mean US... Ukrainains are mostly getting killed

[@ptgtdcr]

@@knightstemplar738 lol alot more Russians going to forever sleep

[@knightstemplar738]

@@ptgtdcr Dream on

[@AA-jp9cj]

@@knightstemplar738 he doesnt have to dream on. Old toothless bear has no means to defeat US let alone NATO🤣🤣

[@knightstemplar738]

​@@AA-jp9cj The US is already gone... they wil never recover... As for NATO... you must be kidding right...War is won with economics..

[@LOLBTLOLBT]

impressive and it wil probably just take 2 hits from cold war era missile to sink it

[@johntrottier1162]

While I appreciate your attempts to publish interesting content, I really wish you and your staff spent more time researching your subjects before posting them on KZbin. Cringe-worthy statements such as “The largest produced warship other than carriers" and "soon to deploy to the Black Sea" when it is the flagship of the Northern Fleet make your entire video suspect. Get your facts straight!

[@trevorpollo]

5:00 Nobody used battleships anymore? US Iowa class battleships served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Desert Storm. While that Russian pig iron was barely keeping a float, US battleships were raining down 16 inch freedom all over the world. 6:17 I think you meant to say, "largest Russian warships ever produced aside from Russian carriers." The Iowa class, Yamato class, Bismarch class, North Carolina class, South Dekota class, Vanguard, and Nelson class were all bigger ships. Even the Alaska class large cruisers were bigger. 7:30 First, you're comparing destroyers to a large cruiser so of course the bigger cruiser is going to have more firepower. Second, you're severely underestimating the threat level of modern sophisticated US Navy warships, and overestimating the threat level of a cold war relic held together with whatever the Russian equivalent of duck tape is. The Ukrainians just recently demonstrated just how easy it is to take out a supposedly unsinkable Russian flagship, and they weren't even using the latest generation of anti-ship missiles.

[@HobbitHomes263]

Interestingly, at the tme the Kirov class was developed, the ONLY submarines they detected were Soviet subs

[@steves6596]

Obviosly, everybody else kept well clear.

[@sjbdeebo2]

@@steves6596 Soviet subs are very noisey

[@sergeantblue6115]

atleast russia didnt openly try to steal some submarine's corpse or buy a t72 for 'research'

[@M16_Akula-III]

I don't get this comment at all, can someone explain it to me?

[@mbtenjoyer9487]

@@sjbdeebo2 not really Look at the kilo class submarine

[@robertgutheridge9672]

They are far from the heaviest ships built. The American Iowa class battle ships weight in at between 45 000 tons and 53 ,000 tons depending on load.. And aircraft carriers are as heavy some even heavier.

[@macek140581]

Just need to be remember that even he has impressive fire power. He is alone. No aircraft carrier etc. History prove that Yamato was very strong Battleship and yet was unable to stand chance with torpedo planes. And this era will be same. Now there is rockets etc. Alone with enemy easy target. And for sure those Russian will not be operational fully. Same as Moskva impressive vessel and yet get ripped by few rockets

[@lordgarion514]

You're probably being lied to about Moskva. It's a guaranteed fact that the American military has satellite coverage of that whole area 24/7, and has for decades. So, if Ukraine sank that ship, then why isn't the American government showing us that satellite footage??? They were more than proud to show it off in 1990, during the gulf war..... Way out in the desert, 32 years ago. But suddenly, nothing from right outside Russia????? Don't drink the kool-aid.

[@navyreviewer]

I think the Belgrano is a better analogy.

[@wandrinyew]

Four made, one in for re-fit. The other two rusting away. I'd like to hear more about the USS Long Beach in the future.

[@marks6663]

9:35 78 mm armor plate is nothing. That is not going to stop much.

[@gordonpeden6234]

it would protect against an "enhanced" BB round?/

[@sergeantblue6115]

@@gordonpeden6234 problem is that no ship has that caliber in modern navies except the ak130 and railguns

[@ThatZenoGuy]

3 inches of plating is sufficient to protect against splinters and small munitions.

[@jdh8727]

So many inaccuracies in your videos. Do you get your info from Wikipedia?

[@cisco6926]

We know now, after their debacle in Ukraine, that the Russian military is a house of cards. No doubt their navy is as badly maintained as their tanks, personnel carriers, etc. Russia has the 12th best military in the world at best

[@Niinsa62]

Well, the Russian military is not a total joke. After all, it is the second best military in the Ukraine...

[@Alan-me8bs]

Didn't the entire Ukrainiak navy swap sides lol?

[@Alan-me8bs]

@@Niinsa62 didn't the entire Ukrainian navy swap sides lol?

[@Centurion04]

The entirety of the Western world is supporting the ukrainian regime led by the tv comedian who somehow has a net worth of over half a billion dollars... and the Russians are still gaining ground. You pay way too much attention to propaganda without seeming to realize that it is propaganda, because that is what happens in war.

[@OneTruePhreak]

@@Alan-me8bs so, the Russian military gained a few tugboats and a half dozen inflatables? Good for them.

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

When exactly were Iowa class battle ships recommissioned?

[@chaosacsend9653]

Started being modernized in the 1980s and served till 1991 after the gulf war.

[@robbabcock_]

I think this ship is for sale on eBay right now! 😂

[@nikstone2420]

It was. I just bought her taking her to lake this weekend ⛴⛴

[@navyreviewer]

@@nikstone2420 I'm sorry for you.

[@navyreviewer]

She not for sale. What's left of her 3 sisters however......

[@genebohannon8820]

Quantity has a quality of it own. It is one ship.

[@siliconvalleyengineer5875]

sadly this nuclear cruiser mechanical condition is poor, the reactor operates at 40% maximum or it will blow up the ship, most of the missile launchers are rusted beyond repair and not able to fire missiles, the radar system in vintage 1970's and so is the sonor, this ship is used just to be seen and make adversaries worry it might sink near their coast.

[@tonydoggett7627]

😂 well written last sentence!

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Vacuum tube stronk! Vacuum tube EMP resistant, not like decadent western nancyboy transistor!

[@Alan-me8bs]

Source?

[@iNowHateAtSigns]

This was another excellent episode, keep up the great work!

[@lishen9]

Shes like a samurai worrior with its armor and swords and know looked intimidating but vulnerable to a gun shot by an average person

[@VATA_OFFICIAL_CHANNEL]

Поздравляю Всех с Днём Рождения Северного Флота!

[@Razgriz012386]

Have you done a video of the Honda point disaster?

[@mikebauer6917]

LOL based on recent Russian naval experience it is clear all those missiles more than double the likelihood the poorly trained crew won’t be able to put out a fire and the whole thing will go down.

[@LuisMiguelGarciaTorres]

i love the shape, kinda looks like a sport fisher or convertible yacht.

[@jmrrrdann3369]

Fun fact, this boat is a pile of junk

[@dopygaming]

that could even be a understatement lol

[@dflatt1783]

Made in Russia lol

[@soulbraker2249]

I disagree. It is an soviet peace of junk. Please Be More precise.

[@jackhouston357]

"made in russia" like tanks

[@Vet-7174]

😆

[@robertphillips6296]

They don't want to risk it, is my guess.