I would like to install this gen set in my service truck but I have no idea what condition it is in. In this video we try to get it running.
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@DEW4092 жыл бұрын
First diesel I ever worked on as a teenager in the early 70’s. Had a blown head gasket and broken head bolts. Fixed all that, started it, and it promptly ran away! Stuck my thumb into the little hole in the air box and stopped it. Turned out the throttle shaft on the fuel pump was broken. The governor moved, the shaft turned, but did not control the fuel. Had the fuel pump, rebuilt and everything ran alright. Been in the marine business ever since.
@brodyyel30222 жыл бұрын
For marine diesel setups in general, the raw water pump is an impeller pump with a neoprene impeller. This allows it to self prime from the sea water. It circulates the sea water around the heat exchanger which contains the internal coolant passages. Usually, the pump that distributes coolant in the closed coolant system is a traditional style water pump called the circulation pump, often belt driven. After the sea water has passed through the heat exchanger, it is expelled off of the boat, sometimes cooling the exhaust as well.
@MitzvosGolem12 жыл бұрын
True exhaust must stay cool below deck in bilge. Often hard to service down in bilge.. Ask me how I know..
@Fatamus2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself
@zackhamilton74212 жыл бұрын
Very good description... I couldn't explain it any better. Been in the bilge many times over the years, gas and diesel
@rabk57022 жыл бұрын
Was a mechanic by trade retried now never got involve with gen sets watching you work on them glad now I stayed clear as they are more complicated than I thought I love watching you work on them as you know your stuff 😁👍
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@williambikash66452 жыл бұрын
Many years ago Detroit Diesel still part of General Motors at that time had on display at their booth in the Miami Boat show an iconic marine generator. It was a 6-71 genset out of Jacques Cousteau's research vessel Calypso. They claimed it had 30,000 hours and still ran! It looked like it had a 100 000 hours and spent its life in a salt mine. I wonder what happened to it when Roger Penske bought Detroit Diesel. Mike, right up your alley, chase it down!
@ShainAndrews2 жыл бұрын
Not often I catch a video so early KZbin hasn't finished processing. LOL.
@LawF2502 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking haha
@RR2BOX462 жыл бұрын
I think KZbin must be having issues, had problems with streaming this morning.
@fullraph2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the video just isn't in HD :(
@RR2BOX462 жыл бұрын
@@fullraph Exactly, feels like retro small engine mechanic!
@OldCarAlley2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, as I am a retired Marine Mechanic and have worked on a few of those. Those came in gas also, for smaller gas powered yachts. I found, if there was a generator hour meter, they often were very close to the main engine hours, or they had very low hours....
@zackhamilton74212 жыл бұрын
The raw water will have a rubber impeller. It is water cooled and lubricated. It is not meant to handle 180 degrees. Typically they are made by Jabsco. The other circulating pump will be a centrifugal type with a aluminum or composite impeller which can handle 260 degrees. You are spot on with everything thus far. The exhaust riser looks like it froze.... but in a boat everything will rust. There's always a small amount of water in the bilge and the engine heat causes humidity to oxidize everything that is susceptible. Great content Mike! Edit: the antifreeze coolant runs through the heat exchanger, block, head, and the exhaust manifold. The only thing that is not coolant filled is the exhaust riser or elbow. That's were the spent raw water exits and is introduced to the exhaust hose to cool the gas for through-hull plumbing. The riser is usually replaced every 4 to 6 years for obvious reasons... You can put a radiator on it and exclude water exiting the exhaust. It will be a "dry" exhaust instead of "wet" exhaust at that point. You are not going to have any problems with what you are going to do! Very excited to see more!
@rl38982 жыл бұрын
Oh Zack missing the famous American water pump manufacturer !!
@MatthewBerginGarage2 жыл бұрын
Bonus points for installing an air filter. 😉👍 I always run air filters, but they probably didn't consider a marine environment as very dusty.
@kevinknight4702 жыл бұрын
I know very little about diesel engines, but now I can learn. Great videos, thanx.
@Doktorglory6 ай бұрын
That was amazing. I cant thank you enough for making this video. I have an old MDJE in my Old Trawler. It was great seeing how you bled it as it is a nightmare to work on in the boat. 1000 thanks.
@ScoutCrafter2 жыл бұрын
That was absolutely fantastic!!!!! Outstanding Job Mike!
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping in Scout!
@ihrescue2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the diesel Fantastic Journey.
@danw19552 жыл бұрын
Nice little unit Mike! You know, seeing as it's water cooled, why not run a couple tubes back from your service truck cooling system to cool it? Not only will it cool it, but it would also keep it warm in the winter with the truck coolant circulation, for easier cold starts. Also it would reduce the amount of space it takes up, not having to deal with a separate radiator. As long as it's the same height or lower than the existing cooling system, it should be a cinch to bleed the air out.😉
@neonhomer2 жыл бұрын
Or use the heat exchanger if you have to have the lines in a weird place (for air bleed)...
@dans_Learning_Curve2 жыл бұрын
Might just work.. why not!
@Mrcaffinebean2 жыл бұрын
I had the same thought but then your going to need to wire up the fans to run with the truck off which will drain the battery, so you’ll need to wire up the generator to charge the truck. Then if you ever need to run the truck and generator at the same time you have to worried about the cooling capacity of the truck radiator. Plus if you ever need to take it off it becomes an ordeal with coolant everywhere and such.
@kd5byb2 жыл бұрын
NICE VIDEO! I inherited a 15RDJC from my father-in-law. Mine has the YD generator, runs and generates nicely. Mine has some sketchy wiring, but works fine. You're right about the Magneciters: people either love them or they hate them! Interesting fact on the RDJC's - the water pumps were hard to find. But I figured out that a 1942 to 1953 Studebaker Champion water pump works with a little modification. Turns out at one time, Onan was owned by Studebaker!
@MitzvosGolem12 жыл бұрын
Yes Studebaker owned Onan and Gravely. Love Studebakers got a bunch.
@kd5byb2 жыл бұрын
@@MitzvosGolem1 Same here - love Studebakers although I don't own any. :) Fantastic cars!
@MitzvosGolem12 жыл бұрын
@@kd5byb had a 55 pickup 289 v8 . A bunch of Onans and Gravely s . Excellent Quality.
@kd5byb2 жыл бұрын
@@MitzvosGolem1Totally agree! Excellent quality! :) Just don't make them like that anymore. :(
@larrydavidson34022 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear it run again. Nothing like bringing an engine back to life. Good job Mike.
@acmaras2 жыл бұрын
I love your work and your videos. I've been working on cars and small engines for almost 50 years now (never professionally). One of my sons is a professional auto mechanic. We both agree you are a quality mechanic and a pleasure to watch. Thanks for your great work and for sharing it with us!
@paulmallery67192 жыл бұрын
Very good clear concise English. Excellent one man photography. Correct terminology of components. Mechanic lingo
@Continental19972 жыл бұрын
Great job getting that started Mike!
@AmansJourneys Жыл бұрын
That injection pump reminds me so much of the military pumps that used to come on the MEP 002a
@markae02 жыл бұрын
Great to see the engine running. Thanks for the bore-scope view of the insides.
@beboboymann38232 жыл бұрын
Good job! Enjoyed seeing the old girl live again.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@patrickmalone6833 Жыл бұрын
Awesome info on injection pump. Thanks a million!
@CraigArndt2 жыл бұрын
Sounded great Mike, great job.
@landongodspeed84662 жыл бұрын
You got smoke! I appreciate your knowledge, depths of knowledge and your passion is contagious! Thank you.
@Wyowanderer2 жыл бұрын
Very cool genset and I'm glad you got it running.
@passenger67352 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Looking forward to episode2.
@ron8272 жыл бұрын
Good job as usual and am really looking forward to some sine waves.
@carolchandler17532 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Really helped me visualize how a Diesel engine works. Thank you!
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@Rabennase32 жыл бұрын
Best onanist on youtube. Love your vids.
@bobsneberger8754 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video. I have this exact generator in my boat.
@larrycleeton2 жыл бұрын
It does my heart good to see you use line wrenches!
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@rogerdominguez152 жыл бұрын
Hello Mike,nice little unit.
@kengraham42092 жыл бұрын
Great video I work on Marine engines here in the UK . Going by the elbow water connection on top of the exhaust pipe , it would have probably had a water cooled rubber exhaust pipe . It is a direct route for cooling water out of the exhaust to enter the engine through the exhaust port and valves, especially if the sea cocks are left on and the boat has being rolling around at its moorings.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info! I have not had any marine experience.
@rl38982 жыл бұрын
@@SmallEngineMechanic I would also suggest you look in that exhaust outlet as...when it was trying and smoke came out of the water inlet infers that the exhaust is partially blocked with carbon. I'm also a UK marine engine fiddler !!
@colin_58392 жыл бұрын
Very cool mike! Please keep us posted on this thing as you make progress with it! Would be cool to see a video of you actually installing it in your van too, I'm curious what the install will look like!
@FixAndForget2 жыл бұрын
I posted a video to my channel of my MDJE 3 days ago. What a coincidence lol. Thanks as always for the videos! Working on my 6.354 video tonight as well.
@somerandomguy38682 жыл бұрын
Could be a good unit for your application, hope to see more of this project
@senorjp212 жыл бұрын
Just bought an old boat with almost identical genset and it needs some work. Unburned fuel coming out the exhaust and running loud. This video is very helpful to me. Thanks
@pedrotheswift59372 жыл бұрын
For all your concerns about the bore it seems to run just fine! Love how you show us how these things actually work, I actually gave the screen two thumbs up at one stage.. :)
@williamparry93142 жыл бұрын
You have a very good knowledge, great work, thanks.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@peterurquhart8812 жыл бұрын
great project, just a thought, Starter power from truck battery, wont have to worry about charging circuit, If truck Diesel fuel from truck tank, water cooling, run waterpipes parallel to truck heater.
@bombardier3qtrlbpsi2 жыл бұрын
Nice job 👍
@aleblanc35472 жыл бұрын
Very nice mike. It’ll be nice to see if it works out and how you go about setting it up in the van. Thanks bud for another great video.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! Hope to get it installed this summer!
@nashguy2072 жыл бұрын
Great video Mike. I just love old diesel engines and the way they run. Didn't sound bad at all for the first start in who knows how many years. lol
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@anthonysimonhough9691 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating engineering, interesting movie thanks
@gregorypiercesr.7942 жыл бұрын
Great video! Just found your channel and I'm going to be back watching more!😉😉
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@kerrygleeson44092 жыл бұрын
Great video Mike thanks for sharing 👍
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out Kerry!
@m.b82572 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video.
@williamvaughan12182 жыл бұрын
Love the sound of that thing.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@gavmansworkshop56242 жыл бұрын
I've just had to pause there, that's a real decent borescope you've got there 👍
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! I did a review video on it a little while back.
@hitandmissfits1712 жыл бұрын
Aw man, I want it back now!! Sound great buddy!! I hope it works well for you 👍👍
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! Still has some life left in it!
@gcrauwels9412 жыл бұрын
I worked on a mess of those while a marine diesel and gen tech. I am of the 'hate the magnaciter' crowd. 😂 They shook like mad but the engine was hard to kill.
@MichaelPrucey2 жыл бұрын
New Ford Bronco....nice!!
@Ange11662 жыл бұрын
great video would be good to see a restoration on the engine but would be expensive by the looks of things well done
@lustfulvengance2 жыл бұрын
The problem with Marine engines, especially ones operated in saltwater is that they usually have a water box muffler that's filled up with raw water when it's running and when the engine is shut off it's still hot and that salt water in the water muffler vaporizes and makes its way back into the cylinders through any open exhaust valves and causes corrosion if it's sat for any period of time....
@jonroth73422 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting.
@carltonlane89312 жыл бұрын
Good video,most small Diesel engines are low compression,so do need heat to start,and glow plugs run on about 20 seconds after they start,very unusual injection pump,but good idea,thanks again.
@front27602 жыл бұрын
Thanks.Learned something new today.But that motor was underwater i think at one time.
@Tomcat712 жыл бұрын
a little trick for rusted bolts and nuts is the try and tighten it a hair, if it the moves then you can usually break it loose.
@rickmills562 жыл бұрын
I'm a Jersey boy. I bet you lie down the shore, huh? I;m also a gen guy. Love the show.
@scrotiemcboogerballs19812 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing buddy
@rogersmith73962 жыл бұрын
You will need a cooling system. Boat engines use wet exhaust if that matters.
@rogersmith73962 жыл бұрын
@@mmm365 I think he would be better off with a Honda or that RV Diesel he had. I have enough trouble with the stuff on my boat. Currently working on the refrigerator. Also water cooled. Will need a water source and a tank to pump into which will heat up with use. Air cooled stuff is a lot easier to work with than water cooled. The rubber impellers are expensive and don't last. And in his van a water source would be subject to freezing as well as heavy and sloppy. He will have to convert to closed loop with a car radiator and run dry exhaust with muffler. The RV gen would be ideal. If his cylinders are rusty the built in water pump is liable to be rusty too.
@rogersmith73962 жыл бұрын
@@mmm365 Yeah I'm afraid he does'nt know what hes getting into. I know whats going on on my boat and I don't want to get into it.
@alc8182 жыл бұрын
Raw water is the water the boat is floating in (salt or fresh) and coolant "water" is the fluid (usually anti freeze) is what is circulating through the engine. The heat exchanger has both raw water and coolant flowing through it where the heat from the engine dissipated into the water the boat is floating in. It works just like a car radiator only it is a liquid to liquid heat exchanger rather than a liquid to air heat exchanger...
@tomwilliams86752 жыл бұрын
Great start Mike 👍👍 How do you plan to cool it if you put it in the back of your work van, run an auxiliary radiator for it?
@regsparkes65072 жыл бұрын
I do hope that "rusty and crusty Onan" will be saved for you Mike. Interesting video, good to watch as you go along with bringing it back to life. I'm looking forward now to the next edition of this .
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out Reg!
@regsparkes65072 жыл бұрын
@@SmallEngineMechanic I will be looking forward now, ( as I've said ) to see it installed and working on your truck. Thanks again Mike!
@crazyfvck2 жыл бұрын
That's a cool little unit :)
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@MitzvosGolem12 жыл бұрын
Raw water sends sea water into inner tubes of heat exchanger then to exhaust manifold . Clean scale from inner tubes to get good cooling .All water in goes out through small ports in end of exhaust elbow. Often rust clogs up holes . Nice Onan. PS try JB weld in cylinder wall pits scratches then hone it. I have a honda 5 hp worse than that running for years on my channel . Experiment i tried worked.
@RBMServices2 жыл бұрын
I own several onan DJ series gensets including dja ,djb and djc my favorite is my djb 5.0 from navy subsalvage
@Pippy6262 жыл бұрын
I loved the older fuel test comparing the gas to diesel from the 50’s I would love to see a newer generator (diesel) consumption vs older with similar wattage outputs to see consumption if they are worth the extra computerized and harder to service by a normal person.
@stevenduke2602 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙂
@willthomsen7569 Жыл бұрын
Man I want one of those little probing cameras for my birthday
@MattBrownbill2 жыл бұрын
Is it too soon to get 'excited' about an old genset? Great work getting it that far, good explanation of the inner workings.
@TheDieselbutterfly2 жыл бұрын
You are awsome!
@Paul-FrancisB2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike from the UK
@woodhonky38902 жыл бұрын
Impressive!
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@somerandomguy38682 жыл бұрын
How did I not get this notification
@RobertKohut2 жыл бұрын
Great video... :-)
@WilliamTMusil2 жыл бұрын
Hiya Mike. Yep, yesterday was awesome, and today I have a bit more snow than in your video. Looks like we will have another warmup this week with snow again next weekend.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
I like to take full advantage of the nice weather whenever possible!!
@haynesroadster72902 жыл бұрын
I hope you start with the big cat engine build looking for it
@richardriehle41592 жыл бұрын
i'm would not have expected using a torch for starting aid would be so effective . i would have guessed that too much oxygen would have been used up . interesting to see.
@hans4292 жыл бұрын
If you tie it into ya Trucks Cooling system and the Tank you have Power and a worme cabine always :)
@jonas24312 жыл бұрын
This is cool
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@gutsngorrrr2 жыл бұрын
One of the many advantages when working for yourself, if you don't want to work on something, you don't have to.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Yep nice to have options! Thanks for checking it out!
@daviddavis78552 жыл бұрын
Flame arrestor is the box on the intake.
@thefixerofbrokenstuff2 жыл бұрын
Gonna plumb the Genset into a truck heater line? That would be pretty cool, truck could preheat the Genset, or it could preheat the truck, depending on how the coolant pump was ran. Btw, ain't it lovely to be in shirt sleeves in January and February?
@jasonm64682 жыл бұрын
Ah 1977! Perhaps the genset powered at sound system that played some "Boston", "Kansas", or "Rush". Or since it is a marine unit, something more sophisticated like "Chic", "Sister Sledge" or "Sylvester"!
@douglasmayherjr.57332 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried getting an engine running and using abrasive powder in the intake to break glaze or help seat the rings. I was told manufacturers used to come with break-in powder, not sure if it was just a tall story or some truth to it?? Thanks for sharing your time and videos.
@dans_Learning_Curve2 жыл бұрын
I was just going to mention that as valves wear, the gap should close up....then you said it.
@FixItStupid2 жыл бұрын
TY
@jonathanbenson69632 жыл бұрын
Looks like your MDJE is close to the same vintage as mine. If you can find the adapter plate, upgrading to the gear reduction starter from the direct drive Prestolite makes a world of difference in how it cranks and starts. You need 45-60 seconds of glow plug to get it to fire off in cold temperatures. I retrofitted mine with a chinese generator controller that had a programmable glow plug timer and ditched the 50 year old wiring in the control box completely. Good luck finding new 12V glow plugs if you need them. I'm using a Kubota BX23 radiator for cooling with an electric fan, and the belt driven Oberdorfer circulation pump as a water pump.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! I might have to go with an electric water pump to save space!
@williambikash66452 жыл бұрын
Somebody suggested cam wear for the excessive valve clearance. If it has that much wear on the base circle of the cam then I would think that the top of the cam lobe would be visually worn out. Easy to measure valve lift at the valves. Worse then finding the cam is NLA is finding that it is available at a price that no sane person would pay. My feeling is that the valves have NEVER been adjusted .
@localcrew2 жыл бұрын
I had an old Gravely lawn tractor from the seventies and it had the Onan CCKA motor on it. It was painted red but the inside of the fan/flywheel housing was the exact same lime green color that’s on that flywheel on your generator. Wonder if that motor started out its life on a generator...
@newjerseybill35212 жыл бұрын
On your pump mounting plate, the pump on the left is a rubber impeller "Jabsco" type pump for the raw (sea) water that is pumped into the heat exchanger then into the water cooled exhaust elbow, then overboard.. Depending on which version that pump is, very few parts are still available for it. The pump on the right is a centrifugal pump for the fresh water/antifreeze that runs through the engine and heat exchanger.
@Doktorglory6 ай бұрын
Yes and I would ad that I think that Jabsco was not proprietary. The proprietary pump is no longer available and was rediculously expensive and typically leaked after a coule seasons. I also got rid of it and put the jabsco on the moutning platform.
@cash2.02 жыл бұрын
I pulled one of those from a boat and replaced it with a battery bank & inverter setup. The boat owner got tired of constantly throwing money at it. The marine environment wasn't kind to it. Hopefully you have luck with yours.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out!
@cash2.02 жыл бұрын
Just to give you some background on what some of the issues were, the starter was costly to rebuild, the heat exchanger was going bad, and it blew 2 voltage regulators. After all that it stopped putting out power on a trip but the diesel ran fine. I pulled the rear cover and saw a water line 1/3 the way up the stator. It was beyond repair as the windings were shorted which blew yet another voltage regulator. In the bilge of a boat the marine environment is unforgiving. Water can intrude from a failing thru-hull fitting or leaky propeller packing gland. Once salt water immerses the generator end corrosion will seal it's fate. If you de-marinize yours it should provide good service. I wish you the best!
@katyair12 жыл бұрын
I had one of those wound up throwing it away, I know that was dumb anyway as far as your pump the raw water pump has a rubber impeller and the fresh water pump has a brass impeller, I may have some parts for that, I know for sure I have the injector tips brand new never used them probably a little rusty by now let me know if you need them.
@gsengineering2842 жыл бұрын
Mike, I have one of those. I put a school bus heater core on it with a home furnace blower to cool it. Mine is a 1971 with some sort of a brush and slip ring field.Can I backfit an electronic regulator?I put a new 8kW Westerbeke in the boat where it had been installed. The fuel solenoid had shorted, caused a 12 volt electrical fire, putting Mrs. Customer in the hospital for smoke inhalation as the boat suffered a lot of collateral damage. The new generator was $8000. The job totaled $85,000. Raw water is the water the boat floats in with the rubber impeller pump. Fresh water is the block coolant moved by the centrifugal pump. There was a heavy duty fresh water pump for keel cooling.
@SmallEngineMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out and clearing up the cooling system question. There I believe PowerTronics makes an electronic regulator to replace the magneciter. I may have to go that route if I find out this one is dead.
@rogersmith73962 жыл бұрын
I've heard my Yanmar fuel pump is calibrated on a Bosch stand. Which are unfortunately rather rare around here. Fresh water is potable. Raw water is from the lake or ocean.
@williambikash66452 жыл бұрын
Mike, looks typical for a genset used in about a 40' pleasure boat. If it came out of a commercial boat it would look a lot worse. It may not have that many hours, possibly between 1000-2000 hours. It has good oil pressure and the fuel system is working so do a warm compression test to see what's going on. If the compression is OK and the gen side has decent output I would pull the head and check the valve gear. I could easily see where the valve lash was never set. The problem with old Onans is the price and availability of parts. I have done work on MCCK 2 cyl opposed flat head gasoline engines 4-6.5 kw 1800 rpm they were used from mid 1960's to around 1990. The shielded coil and plug wires were several hundred dollars for each piece if they were even available and that was about 10 years ago. The coil was special in that the plug wires screwed directly into the side, opposite from each. I could unsolder the inner spark plug wire and pull through solid core wire and resolder the ends but the coil was not repairable. The work around from Cummins Onan was the coil, plugs and wires from an air cooled CCK which are standby and construction gen sets. Not shielded and not needed and that package was about
@williambikash66452 жыл бұрын
was about $150.00
@Cookiegrabber-2 жыл бұрын
“I’m not a welder”... I saw you weld four 5S Briggs together.
@vettepicking2 жыл бұрын
I think a big socket and a hyd press would have smashed that filter area flat too
@robgm69262 жыл бұрын
With that type of valve rocker arm could it be it wore where it pivots on the ball end of that adjuster? Or maybe over time the adjuster just backed off. Diesel does have harsher vibrations than a gas engine. And I have seen rockers on a gas engine almost wear through where they pivot on the ball.