THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES

MAG148 - Case #0110304 - Sunil Maraj
Statement regarding their work as a security guard and the disappearance of their co-worker Samson Stiller.
The Magnus Archives hears the tale of a security worker whose colleague’s behaviour takes a turn for the strange after starting a new job in an east London shopping centre and looking at their surveillance technology.
Content Notes: Eye trauma, physical violence
Starring: Elias Bouchard - Ben Meredith; Basira Hussain - Frank Voss; The Archivist - Jonathan Sims
Writer: Jonathan Sims
Director: Alexander J Newall
Producer: Lowri Ann Davies
Editors: Alexander J Newall, Elizabeth Moffatt, Brock Winstead
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[@Barely_Here]

"ah, john is a monster, lets isolate him and give him no mental support oh no, john is becoming more monstreous and apathetic, clearly this justifies our need to stay away" like, damn. it would almost feel out of character if their boss wasnt literally the avatar of the lonely

[@mimkyodar]

The idea that an instruction manual is a Leitner is hilariously fascinating to me.

[@amphitritemists4595]

Im beginning to think that Leitners just morph into whatever book is convienent and causes someone to pick them up. Pretty sure in a q&a Jonny hinted that the books werent written by conventional means

[@laylamulvey7492]

'Step by Step Bone Turning for Dummies' sounds like a fun read

[@kingofpoliwhirls7464]

I mean, didn't Leitner mention that the one 'Book' he used was little more than a pamphlet?

[@mimkyodar]

@@kingofpoliwhirls7464 Yeah, but it's that it's a literal instruction manual that amuses me.

[@pigeondoesthings]

Jon: I need to eat Everyone else: You're tearing this family apart!

[@fluffsnake]

"I'm gonna get something to eat" Statement begins skfjskfh Jon's just being casually creepy

[@screaminggecko7660]

om nom nom

[@jaxsonadros2066]

I'm liking it ngl

[@sadclownschool9358]

I find it oddly funny

[@yumiendercat3685]

“I’m gonna get something to eat” “Oh, what are you having?” “…statements.”

[@ohmyyomps2629]

@@sadclownschool9358 oh yes, it's very funny

[@Excelsior1937]

“Daisy’s been managing just fine” Daisy had her connection to The Hunt literally severed in the Buried. It’s not a matter of resisting The Hunt for her it’s a matter of not doing anything that will get her reconnected to it. Jon is VERY deep into his connection with The Eye, he can resist it no more than Daisy could’ve before the coffin incident. Their situations right now are not the same.

[@swisscoda_TH]

Yea honestly it's been something that's been bothering me for abit. Like B has really been sinking my view on her with how shes conducting herself.

[@Excelsior1937]

@cak01vej You have a good point there. I always assumed Lukas was focusing mostly on isolating Martin

[@robertmcpherson1617]

I do feel that the general negative criticisms of Jon are out of line. Once again, this character development is flawless! My resentment is at the people, as if they were actual people. It is NOT the writing. The way this podcast is written makes the whole fantastical story eerily believable!

[@michaelrobinson996]

Basera is becoming the hunts new avatar, and still bagging on Jon smh

[@hollynotholy]

Yeah, I think this is what's so frustrating with Basira. She's so in love with Daisy she'll forgive anything and use anything as an excuse to wave Daisy around as if she's better than Jon. When it comes to addiction (or any mental health condition, really), there is NO one way to deal with it. It isn't a race, it isn't a competition. It's individual and each person will go through it in their own time. Some people manage out of sheer will; they decide they're done and they quit, no matter how badly they crave it afterwards. Some people need a safety net, a support group, people they can trust and to whom they can go whenever the craving is getting unbearable to go through all by themselves. I think we sure sympathize more with Jon because the story focuses more on his side of it, but I also think that treating the people who became monsters like human is what ultimately makes a difference in how fast they fall under the control of the Entities. Jon turned on Helen; less than a year later she's almost as desensitized as Michael was. The archive assistants turned on Jon; in a matter of months he's so deep in shit he can barely balance the cravings and his own morals. So the cycle continues. And comparing him to Daisy, who she called "dead weight" just a couple of weeks or months earlier, is NOT the argument she thinks it is.

[@Companion92]

It's so unsettling to hear Jon say, that he does not care about follow up and what happened to the people in the statements anymore. And eye statements taste stale. The eye does not want them, because it already got that fear.

[@polyxenifoutsitsi8827]

@Shreyas Misra honestly I believe Gertrude had already set back the majority of the entities' rituals by a long long time, following events not withstanding.

[@Barely_Here]

@@polyxenifoutsitsi8827 well we found out that they didnt have to stop the darness and such

[@vince_5778]

They taste stale ok 😔 The eye special boy need all his good nutrients

[@nateds7326]

The way the group deals with jons eye thing always annoyed me. His options are either he gives people nightmares or DIES.

[@Ryuzaki4Ever]

And the fact Georgie told him AFTER HE WOKE UP FROM A COMA it would’ve been better if he didn’t wake up again still irks me.

[@luxill0s]

And then he might’ve interpreted Martin’s vague (I believe these were the words) “and I won’t let it happen again” as “I wish you hadn’t woken up from the coma either”

[@Vi_Vi_1]

Fr, they're extremely unfair about this terrible situation he didn't even want to be in. Breaks my heart. Jon isn't perfect but he does not deserve all this, and frankly the support/compassion of friends would go a long way to helping him hold on to his humanity

[@thedistinguished5255]

yea people are cruel like that

[@diegonunez3492]

To my knowledge he can slorp on 6he statements, he could genuinely carry some statements in a pouch and eat those when he gets hungry, and as he said last episode he compelled those people because he wanted to not cause he needed to

[@polyxenifoutsitsi8827]

Those first few moments of Elias getting decked is music to my ears.

[@mjamin9124]

him sounding genuinely scared of her is my favorite part

[@potato_caitlyn2196]

@@mjamin9124 fr oh how the turn tables

[@Drak_buddy]

Facts

[@habihabitat]

Elias: hello detective [Basira immediately assaults him]

[@ArtsyLaz05]

AND WE APPLAUDED :DDD

[@Eileen-d1i]

𝕐𝔸𝕐!!!!

[@Kasper4485]

Is Elias deserving of a mug that says something along the lines of "World's #1 Evil Smug Boss"? - Yes. Is he still one of my favourite characters? - Absolutely

[@malmorose]

Elias buys himself a mug that says "World's Worst Boss" and shows it off to the eye like, "People say I am the worst boss. They go 'God, we've never worked in a place like this before, you're horrible'"

[@Iquey]

SMUG MUG. SMUG MUG. "Black coffee tastes best poison free!"

[@romcnulty1990]

He reminds me of Sideshow Bob in this episode

[@f_mva]

@@malmorose the eye applauds his work ethic and makes him employee of the month

[@moonfall5124]

If I’m being honest? He is one of the better characters he at least knew how to keep Jon sane while the others are just making him go insane

[@neither_emonor_punk9355]

2:32 "I've always thought that a man's eating habbits were his own private business" looking at the comments every time Elias appears... I get why one of the reasons to remove him from the main narrative was "oh no this smug evil man is too sexy" *Jon, eat a snickers*

[@confused-as-ell]

jon is literally "you're not you when you're hungry :)" this season

[@RoseMultiverse]

Jon’s voice changing so drastically when he starts the statement still gets me like 👀👀👀👀

[@Nizati]

Jon the voice actor/writer is a god-tier voice actor. He just... Becomes these people.

[@dimsunstuff]

Im honestly surprised that Jon hasnt broken down crying yet because i sure would have if all my friends suddenly treated me like a freak after preventing two apocalypses and spending half a year in a coma (not to mention the survivors guilt and identity crisis)

[@Vi_Vi_1]

RIGHT. This would absolutely mess anyone up 🥺

[@AshNRoses4409]

Plus spending 3 days in the epicenter of a literal lovecraftian horror to help out the person who tried to kill me. Like Jesus christ

[@giulia5634]

This.

[@Deadflower019]

Waiting for the episode Jon puts the Slaughter bullet inside himself so he can tap into the pure rage King had at the start of the season 🤣

[@vaishaliwarrier6610]

I love how this starts with Basira beating up Elias

[@hamburgerdog25]

Someone had to do it sometime

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Oh look. Theyre isolating Jon. Calling him a monster. Making him feel like one, more like an Avatar and less like a human. Making him more apathetic. Do you want an apocalypse? BECAUSE THATS HOW YOU GET THE APOCALYPSE

[@luxill0s]

The only reason I’ve been okay with this development is that I know it’s not entirely their fault (they’re being controlled by the Lonely in charge of the archives) but it still infuriates me because it’s not nearly the same level of persuasion and control as Jon is under

[@inkycorvid3248]

This comment aged like a fine wine

[@citra1885]

​@@inkycorvid3248 I'm almost certain they already listened to the whole podcast😂 it's just too accurate

[@ericdickert9795]

I mean, technically them isolating him is less the reason and more that he kept pushing into it to try and be able to fight and save people. It didn't help, but I don't think it's the reason. Also, basira definitely makes me the angriest of them. Melanie, I get. Basira condoned daisy killing people the whole time she did it basically.

[@clovercard22]

....getting picky with the food are we now?

[@azulBjort_1406]

😂😂😂

[@Vi_Vi_1]

"I don't wike it"

[@semi_enigma]

Basira just telling Jon to stop, but also wanting to use Jon just sounds like it will end badly. Telling him to stop is like telling someone to never eat again while food is right in front of them. Eventually the rational mind wont have the energy to stay in control and it gets messy. Not only that, but treating Jon like he isnt human (lol I know he isn't anymore but still.) will just make it easier for him to stop caring. Heck, do that to a human and you get the same result.

[@1ntangibl384]

if it acts like a human and thinks like a human than no matter what its body is it most likely is human

[@samdal420]

What really defines humanity

[@mjamin9124]

@@1ntangibl384 i disagree, i think he's a person but i think human is a species like, an alien, elf, or very advanced ai can be a person, but they're not humans

[@wormsontoast]

​@@mjamin9124i think that if you start out at birth as a human, then theres nothing that can happen to make you less of a human short of taxonomic reclassification. the avatars were born human, so by my standards theyre just supernatural humans

[@mjamin9124]

@@wormsontoast a very valid position

[@technicallyatart2636]

what if john had to actually eat the statements? like straight up in the mouth, i think that would be funny as hell

[@FreshSqueezedSlugs]

“Hey do you want tea?” [CRINKLING AND MUFFLED CHOKING]

[@technicallyatart2636]

Bees? ?? pfft i think that would be a lovely addition

[@alicepatton3040]

Someone handing in their paper with their statement: :) :( :) here you are sir Jon, taking the paper: I'm gonna monch I'm gonna cronch

[@technicallyatart2636]

alice patton hehe yes

[@loading7496]

C R O M C H

[@klaushargreevesstanaccount8835]

sadder and sadder for jon... i feel like the Lonely is helping along his corruption just as much as the Eye is- separating him further and further from any real support or help or kindness. He's getting double whammied real good.

[@nanibirb5687]

Honestly being treated the way he is, I'm not exactly surprised how he's turing out. I love all the characters but everyone but Daisy is justifying his own fear of being a monster. Its honestly even more annoying when comparing it to how they interact with Helen. Jon's supposed to be someone they care about but it seems like every time he's talking to someone other then Daisy, they are making him hate himself.

[@germanerd6148]

@@nanibirb5687 And the sad thing is that friendship might even be able to save him. Agnes was stopped by someone just loving her

[@Barely_Here]

@@germanerd6148 its the only thing that kind of makes me mad, everyone is treating him like a monster and then they use the fact that they've isolated john and him becoming more monstrous because he doesnt have any support to keep isolating him. fitting, that their boss is an avatar of the lonely. its the final push that john needs to become apathetic

[@sheolcodemonkey4027]

Basira is EXACTLY the kind of person you wouldn't want in your life if you were dealing with mental health issues Jon: "During moments of low willpower when I'm very hungry I sometimes make people tell me their stories" Basira: "Well just D O N ' T. Also do this thing for me that makes you hungry" Honestly I want Jon to feed on Basira next, maybe then she'll stop intentionally using and treating him like a monster then acting surprised when he behaves like one

[@karencantociau1403]

Don't forget this Goldie Daisy: "I am traumatized. I feel alone and need support" Basura: "Well, you are dead weight; get lost"

[@emppu1012]

Daisy and Jon's situation are so different. Daisy was touched by the Hunt, she didn't need to feed on it. Jon is an avatar, I imagine his well-being literally depends on him feeding

[@loading7496]

Jon: help I'm addicted to hearing the stories of other people's trauma Basira: what if you just ✨stopped✨ It's reasonable for them to be mad at him, but geez. This isn't helpful.

[@clayxros576]

Basira is acting more like Daisy when she was marked by the Hunt as time passes

[@Ghostrecall_M]

​@@clayxros576 Wait, you have a point. What if this entire time she has been in some way connected to it.

[@clayxros576]

@@Ghostrecall_M I haven't continued much further than this point since my comment, so I can reply without spoilers. My wager would be Basira was 100% marked by the Hunt in the past, but a combo of restraint and deskwork (as well as trying to keep Daisy in line) stopped that mark from burrowing deeper. But now she's dealing with a ton of Marked people, all of them requiring the use of their Entity's traits to keep each other safe. The limiters that once kept her at arm's length from the Hunt are gone, and she actively needs to "hunt" to get the job done. Plus its likely she's been marked by the Eye too. I just read this all back and WOW I am rambly. I think I'll come back once I've had my caffiene.

[@juliankohler5086]

@@clayxros576 Seeing how people treat Jon, the progression from Jon to Gertrude to Elias becomes clear. And now Elias may evolve into something even worse.

[@zGabaz]

Basira is insufferable, really. Most annoying character by far

[@lemmetalkaboutthis]

Basira, about what is very much becoming not just an addiction but actually a necessary food source: just stop getting statements from people Basira, not even a _minute_ later when Jon says he gets hungry using his powers: well find a statement then and get eating, creep Basira what the fuck Let's say avatar powers worked like drug addictions, yeah? Because they kind of do. Daisy is "managing" bc her link to the hunt was literally torn out of her, and then severed completely in the buried. Jon is being shoved left and right into using the powers that ultimately make him crave statements even more. Daisy is trying not to fall back into an addiction, while Jon is literally being told to just stop it, while also being told to just get more when he craves it. What the fuck. Comparing someone who's been sober and trying not to start drinking again to someone that's currently addicted to heroin is not at all a fair comparison, especially not when you hand them the needle all the damn time.

[@JulianneChua]

Starting to hate Basira.

[@dude59974]

Your analogy works best if you imagine a recovering alcoholic compared to someone with an eating disorder. The alcoholic can go cold turkey. Avoid it like the plague and never touch it again. The ED person can't, they need food to survive. So they're exposing themselves to their ED several times per day. The only way to get better is to strictly manage their diet, which typically requires support from friends/family/therapist. Basira is telling Jon to just stop eating. Then when he complains he's hungry, she tells him to go eat. She's THEE most toxic 'friend' someone like Jon can have in his life. I HOPE the explanation behind her behavior is that she's being manipulated by The Lonely, or maybe The Web. If not? She's just straight up a horrible person.

[@lemmetalkaboutthis]

@@dude59974 that actually is a better way of explaining it!

[@dude59974]

@@lemmetalkaboutthis I honestly hope Basira gets some HUGE comeuppance. Or at least the affects she's under is lifted and she has some horrid realization that forces her to retire forever. If she IS just like that, then I hope she gets sentenced to some worse than death fate from some supernatural force.

[@lemmetalkaboutthis]

@@dude59974 I don't wanna spoiler, so I'll leave it to you to find out, but.... Hm.... Let's leave it at "yes", there will be some comeuppance

[@agnieszkasalach4395]

Okay, Basira,s starting to get on my nerves. I didn't really get it when people were saying that under previous episodes, perhaps because she seemed more calm and levelheaded to me (as opposed to Melanie, who's violent outbursts were pretty succesful in making me recoil every time she appeared) but I'm starting now. The way she expects Jon to "just stop, it's not that hard!", like, Basira, darling, baby, sweetheart, would you tell the same to an alcoholic? A drug addict? No, ffs, these kind of things are not something you "just stop doing", they take time, therapy and support that you're unwilling to provide. I NEVER expected myself to like Daisy The ACAB Poster Child, but she's growing on me and she seems the last person who's actually not being shitty to Jon. I think at this point she might actually be his best chance at starting some kind of recovery - like, let them just talk it out, one recovering Avatar to another, she'll understand Though on the other hand, I'm starting to get suspicious about whether Daisy's recovery is really going as well as everyone believes it is. Everyone's telling Jon to be more like her, because if she could do it, he can too, and I'm just sitting here, thinking about how much of a punch in the gut it would be if it turned out that this perfect paragon of mental strenght for Jon to aspire to is not, in fact, so perfect. (I know the plot's moved on a while ago, but I just like writing my ramblings, leave me alone)

[@thistleywistley681]

FR?? everyone forgives daisy immediately for killing probably more than 15 people, but when jon accidentally reopens trauma for 5 people??? UNFORGIVABLE they really be hating on jon 4 not being human anymore smh also he made the choice just not to die,, its not like he actually * wanted * to not be human anymore and yeah,, when they were going to the north pole and they me that girl from the darkness cult thing,, basira was like "arrite jon do the eye thing" and then gets mad when he does the eye thing and it has consequences???? and even georgie is treating him differently like why?? i mean,, i * kinda * get why but still hes still jon,, hes not like a new person or anything ):

[@ZeroOhClock]

I think Jon knows Daisy is struggling to. He knows something but he isn't willing to say

[@GrimSavant]

I honestly got the feeling earlier on that Basira didn't want DAISY back, she wanted back her partner who was willing to do the messy things that Basira believes, deep down, are acceptable to do. Maybe to get a lead, you need to break a wrist. Or maybe you need to Ask. Whatever it is, Basira gets the answer without having to get her hands dirty. When Daisy came back, she wasn't dangerous anymore and she couldn't serve that purpose. She still can't, really, but now Jon can - but Jon's not a cop. He doesn't fall under that deep-down "we do what we have to do and that's acceptable because, in the end, we're right" mindset that Basira has. So he can serve as the compelling force backing Basira up, but without that "legitimacy", when he does it without Basira's permission and her judgement of "ends justify the means", he's a monster.

[@clayxros576]

@@GrimSavant It's really frightening how accurate this feels, especially with how Basira is getting more and more like the Hunt!Daisy

[@-S.L.]

@@GrimSavant That's it, you got it. Brilliant analysis of where Basira's likely coming from.

[@RoseMultiverse]

“I’m going to get something to eat.” Oof

[@f_mva]

basira walks in and finds him on the floor eating statement forms

[@klltsun_2576]

Hearing Elias in pain makes me smile

[@TheNitpickChick]

Pure, beautiful music to my ears. ☺️

[@thistleywistley681]

Kitsune Tails25 me too (:

[@malaizze]

Sadism kink for this one little man

[@luxill0s]

Doesn’t me. He’s chained up and helpless. Basira’s police brutality instincts kicking in I guess

[@klltsun_2576]

@@luxill0s So what if Basira is former police, any character could kick his ass and it would make me smile after everything that happened (and will happen), I don't care whoever does it.

[@KenKen3593]

She knocked that smug look off his face but luckily he was wearing a second smaller smug look underneath

[@artssholeboi1996]

ayyyyy

[@nateds7326]

I love how both the meta reason and in story reason for Elias calling Busira detective is just that it sounds cool

[@Vi_Vi_1]

He really just does it for the ✨aesthetic✨

[@Boinkess]

As he should

[@rottinginthewoods5955]

you can't see me behind the screen i'm half human and half machine

[@k0rny672]

CABINET MAN

[@Ghostrecall_M]

"I SEE YOU!"

[@pestilence.and.plague]

Holy shits that were my thoughts!

[@theeyeswatchme]

UH OH

[@NerveUnderscore]

My man... you almost made me cackle in the bus

[@ashcanicall5297]

Permission to hug the sad Archivist. )":

[@DeadBore]

What got me (along with everything else, obv), was that after I had to take a 10 minute break after John’s talk with Basira, I was immediately thrust back in to Jonny’s UTTERLY HEARTBREAKING way of saying “The Archivist”. No one’s talked about it, so either it’s subtle or unintentional, but “Archivist” just sounds so tiredly annoyed, almost a sob. Jesus RQ are damn good at this, huh? Love you all

[@NerveUnderscore]

You just take a break for 10 minutes? I left for a few days (without counting my need to study, of course)

[@bonsaigecko9153]

Turning into a monster? All hail the watcher!

[@fruitygarlic3601]

Is The Professor an aspect of The Eye? Do the jellybeans work like statements?

[@matthewnell]

Jon isn’t the only one addicted to the statements… he’s got me hooked too 😔

[@KeKe-bv8qv]

The fact that Basira's acting like she's on a high horse when she's actually making things worse is really pissing me off.

[@thekinginyellow7656]

Basira! Why didnt I think of that! Im no longer depressed or anxious since I decided to just... stop...

[@Badficwriter]

There is a Subreddit devoted to this sort of stupidity. Something like "Just stop being depressed and be happy!"

[@blackwingrose]

I had to listen to the beginning twice in a row. Listening to Elias get smacked is SO satisfying

[@Matheus-ql7mn]

Same

[@Eileen-d1i]

𝔹𝕄!!! 𝔹&𝕄 𝕋𝕎𝕆 𝔹𝔼𝕊𝕋 𝔽ℝ𝕀𝔼ℕ𝔻𝕊!!!!

[@cocopeanut7312]

"my mind is already wandering to the next statement" binging this podcast as a first time listener, this line hits too close for comfort :' chills man

[@namaschu9418]

By now I want to slap Basira more than Elias but that's maybe because this has just been done

[@f_mva]

martin you better ditch the lonely and come help jon or im scared something really, really bad will happen

[@dwanimations7338]

So you mean to tell me I've been watching Jon making meok-bang statements this whole time?

[@gingerluigiwithnomoustache7411]

No, stop, no more internet for you I’m taking it.

[@dwanimations7338]

@@gingerluigiwithnomoustache7411 b-but- D":

[@mimkyodar]

It does have some of that ASMR quality.

[@hollynotholy]

Basira freaked out by the idea that Elias calling her "Detective" might have implied meanings (maybe she's not as human as she thought) is the real shit. She had to watch every single one of her work mates turn into some level of an Entity's avatar. I'd be freaked out, too, and quite honestly, feeling very skeptical about my own humanity. If EVERYONE is turning into an Entity-linked monster, what makes ME so special I'm not turning into one without noticing either?

[@atonedudeatsnotsubscribed8313]

Yeah i think shes a patreon of the cop

[@kaylanizavala9178]

I am both incredibly attracted to Elias AND genuinely happy to hear him get the crap beat out of him

[@Badficwriter]

When your sexual interest is both a problematic person AND your attraction is ALSO problematic!

[@RoseMultiverse]

“Honestly? I just like the way it soundss!” Lmao 😂

[@Vi_Vi_1]

Elias "For The Vibes" Bouchard 😂

[@ryanmoran8787]

God I didn't realize how much I had missed Elias's sass

[@epsyblue7714]

You know Melanie did say Basira wasn't good with people on an emotional level. Now I see what she means. 7:20 Yeah. What a fine job you did too.

[@MyceliumNebula]

heheheh what if john eats the physical copies of the statements

[@TheNitpickChick]

Just takes the manila folder or whatever and eats it like a sandwich. lol 😆

[@f_mva]

I've been saying this for like 4 episodes, the mental image is so funny 😭

[@sofiv95]

I come into the institute I eat the statements

[@jacthing1]

Like graham before not graham?

[@achnav3762]

First he needed a week to recover from the statements, now he always needs more. Maybe it's because there is nothing new under the sun anymore? He said that when he was young, 2 books from the same author were too much alike and he felt bored. Maybe that's it ?

[@alphalilly8207]

Yeah. You know this got me thinking. He still dosnt know about the 15th fear yet. What if he starts reading statements about it? Will that sustain him?

[@discomposing]

THEY THEM PRONOUNS IN A STATEMENT???? HELLO???

[@toomany_bones]

Yesss I was waiting for someone to point it out! Casual diversity is so cool :)

[@sondosnagib6808]

Elias being beaten down is indeed music to my ears.

[@amniamin22]

Jon and his need for more statements is exactly me with these episodes

[@SwirlyPinwheel]

I want to scream with the tension of Jon's situation. MY ANXIETY CANNOT TAKE THIS.

[@fluffsnake]

Elias reminds me of Lucifer with the "Detective" thing lmao

[@rosemarycat5]

Bro, yes. I was watching lucifer and ten came here to "detective" and "Addelard DECKER"

[@TheJuliana0901]

welp. I think I asked for a Watcher statement in a comment and... I got what I wanted and it was terrifying!

[@hannahcartwright8190]

The phrase, "We don't know what to do with his face," made me laugh with joy and terror

[@skyclaude8847]

I'll admit that the first bit with Elias was hilarious 😂 On a serious note, I worry for Jon now I hope there's some way for him to actually control it. I mean with all the statements Gertrude was in she didn't sound like she was about to lose it, so maybe there is some kind of way. Hopefully.

[@Rin-qj7zt]

Gertrude only read statements after she was already shaking from withdrawal. I'm assuming because she didn't actually want to feed the eye. I figure that fits into why she wanted to burn the archive, and why the other avatars told Jon that he was a better archivist. I don't think she ever got in as deep as Jon has

[@DeadBore]

@cak01vej a big connection with choices though, too. You definitely have to CHOOSE to become The Archivist. Maybe the choice comes whilst you’re dead, idk

[@catdn7011]

how the hell did this podcast make me like DAISY more than basira basira was my favourite character

[@bowlerhatfilmsandreviews2778]

I had the hugest smiles on my face from hearing Elias get the crap beat out of him... And he's one of my favourite characters!

[@Eileen-d1i]

𝕊𝕄𝕀𝕃𝔼𝕊?!? ℍ- ℍ𝕆𝕎 𝕄𝔸ℕ𝕐 𝔽𝔸ℂ𝔼𝕊 𝔻𝕆 𝕐𝕆𝕌 ℍ𝔸𝕍𝔼?!!

[@bowlerhatfilmsandreviews2778]

@@Eileen-d1i Ones for eating, ones for kissing. *But Sometimes I Get Mixed Up On Which Is Which*

[@gaiamritawhitright8890]

Jon asking about Martin 🥺🥺

[@secret3dthing]

"surprised you didn't foresee it" oh but he did judging by his quiet "here we go" right at the beginning and the fact that he denied a couple of Basira's attempts to visit him to give her time to cool down a bit and even had to ask for "no more violence", oh the rat man turns out to be so easily intimidated

[@arifhossain9751]

2 bots? This early? One of them even underwent comment mitosis! Anyway. Onto cryptic episode conjecture. Basira whooping Elias' butt is a mood. I believe Basira's title... "Detective" is similar to Jon's "Archivist" title. Patronage to multiple fears is established already. Daisy is police so she fits the criteria for "Hunter" and now that she is part of the Eye... "Detective" is a fitting title. Now... About surveillance... Eye is about "being watched". To integrate yourself into a surveillance network so you can be *always watching* (Mr Wazowski) fits the Eye's MO. Also... The whole line about "wires wrapping over each other" gives me Web vibes.

[@midnights2631]

I never knew I wanted hear Elias being scared but it's nice to hear. Poor Jon, he wants to stop but it's hard. :(

[@AnanasVert]

Oh i had MISSED ben meredith. It's such a delight to hear him again. I know it's the whole point of him being away and peter isolating the others but i miss the dynamic he created within all the characters in s3. In a way, he really was the beating heart holding everyone together, even if it was against him. And im growing unfond of basira, which is.... surprising. Not liking that police brutality vibes from her. Maybe the hunt has a new poster girl?

[@LouDuLappe]

who is ben? did i miss him?

[@hamstrbaxtr]

​@@LouDuLappeBen is Elias' voice actor

[@kawasuo5848]

Was listening to this when I learned that my grandmother had a hallucinations about webs and spiders and looked at her like 😃👁👁 would you like to record a STATEMENT granny

[@Arya-el9ps]

what happened to the reasonable basira who got out of the unknowing through pure logic, I don't want this Basira, I don't like her :(

[@toastghost9145]

In her defense, she watched multiple friends die and then was under siege by monsters for half a year. That being said, rather than follow Melanie's lead and get therapy, she's just taking out her trauma on everyone else, and acting like it's a good thing.

[@ramennoodles666]

With the way everyone is treating Jon, I hope he gets his own little villain arc, at least for a little bit

[@moss7208]

When Jon said he was going to "get something to eat" and started recording a statement I thought of the idea that Jon records the statement then just eats it after recording and I find that hilarious.

[@cassicorey2545]

Foaming at the mouth with how Barisa's been acting recently

[@swisscoda_TH]

Man I've been binge watching the series and- I know people have voiced it afew times now but honestly. Barsara(?) Really do be getting on my nerves with the way she treats Jon. Especially (again others have said this already) how shes find and dandy with forgiving Daisy for her stuff and just "it's fine, doesnt matter". When she was literally abusing and killing people. Like seems abit weird but aite girl.

[@staceycat]

Coming back to this episode to listen to my favourite character get clocked

[@amphitritemists4595]

Oof that image of a cracked eye behind sunglasses is very cool well done😊

[@Badficwriter]

I immediately thought of that one cracked camera that was being hidden on that island. Hmmm..

[@bongoh2607]

Ok im really late to the comments here, but cant help but add this one since no seems to have observed it: Jon ended his conversation with Basira with a carefully thought-out neutral question: "Can I ask what it said?" Because even with his powers Basira could answer 'No' truthfully and leave it at that. Just another sign of how Jon is genuinely trying to be better while no one seems to notice...

[@hamburgerdog25]

1:47 someone (I think Elias) says "here we go" at the very start of the recording. So I'm guessing she had this little confrontation in mind, vividly, prior to actually visiting him. I find that almost hilarious

[@darwi_briste4624]

This is a deeply satisfying episode. Hearing Basira take out our anger and frustration with Elias' gaming and scheming scratches that brain itch Elias caused way back.

[@MrIsizukuri]

Elias is such an amazing character! And I'm on my second listen now, and wow - Elias is an ABSOLUTELY BLOODY AMAZING CHARACTER *sobs*

[@mjamin9124]

really glad i listened to this one _after_ i got home from my security job you ever hyperfocus on work so hard you _become_ the system?

[@Badficwriter]

This is what happens when you actually read the operating manuals.

[@princesssparrow4530]

oh god the food metaphors in the end....this is gonna blow up sooner or later

[@gaborpatai603]

Am I the only one absolutely effing done with Basira at this point?

[@Eileen-d1i]

𝕀𝕕𝕜?

[@leawa]

Of course Daisy is managing she never was an avatar. Yes she was influeced by the hunt but she did not encarnated nor did she stop being human, she is more alike Elias than John. John is another level of consumed by the fears, he is like Agnes or that Guy who predicted Gertrude death. Both Agnes and End Guy can't control if they see the dead or if they burn you by touching you, plus need feeding of the supernatural kind. John can't control if he sees something in other people's brains and need to feed on others trauma. So please archive gang, treat him as such and give him a hug. Honestly Basira is a complete badass, but if she keeps treating John like that I don't think she is gonna last much longer. Well at least the eye won't be on her side. She survived the undoing by sheer force of will, so she will probably won't go down easly.

[@HelloThere-.-]

I think that people forget that Basira reasoned her way of The Unknowing - she’s exacly the type of person who would forget about empathy towards addicted person and say „just stop”

[@DeviBuster]

Basira putting Jon through the wringer about his connection to the eye and the use of his powers is really frustrating but I understand shes trying her best considering she's basically become the unofficial manager, considering Jon is pretty out of it, Melanie and Daisy are still dealing with their connections with other avatars being severed and both Martin and both of their actual bosses being impossible to actually get a hold of. She's trying to manage so much but definitely going the wrong way about it, I feel sorry for both her and Jon in this situation

[@cassicorey2545]

I'm legit starting to have to take a few breaths to calm myself down at this insanity. It's so infuriating but i understand why it has to be like that so it's not all bad. My God I just want everyone to lay off of jon and to maybe support him for once.

[@VH_24601]

Now I just got a weird feeling listening to Jon "consuming" these statements - it's like watching these asmr vids with people eating stuff but the stuff is unending parade of horrible trauma instead of ramen or ice cream

[@Sxcheschka]

If there was ever a character I wish I could poltergeist punch, it would be Basira.

[@casualdejekyll5168]

I know this was supposed to be serious, but I imagined Sampson to look like Paul Blart. And the image of Paul Blart staring at CCTV cameras FNAF style is too funny to make me feel scared.

[@ThatOneArchivist]

POV: you are Jon listening to people praise Daisies strength and endurance from this magical entity after you sacrificed a rib and blood for said person to even be in the same room as the rest of them and NOT be a mindless killing machine or dead. it’s not great to be Jon right now

[@mrs.han_whitethorn]

Basira is,,, really hateful huh

[@coraa232]

WHAT IF THE MANUAL IS A LEITNER

[@ava5219]

i think if it can be read,,,,,and its somehow supernatural enough for a statement,,,,its a leitner

[@faxonii]

it did say there was a name in the front cover of the manual!

[@racoon_in_ankhmorpork]

It was very weird to hear a statement caused by the Ceaseless Watcher itself. It was equally disquieting to hear Jon talk about the statements like “I’m hungry…” followed immediately by a statement reading, and saying that this statement was stale and that he already needs more. Well written stuff, really. Wow.

[@NerveUnderscore]

"DaIsY HaS bEinG reSisTinG" DAISY IS NOT AN AVATAR, DAISY IS NOT GONNA DIE IF SHE DOESN'T CHASE PEOPLE. Ughh, I swear this people are su damn cought up in their own "morality" that can't see more than a few inches away of it. And of course Jon doesn't say a thing, the guy thinks that he should be dead.

[@trin-is-late]

"Daisy's managing" um you call her dead weight. So....

[@EduardoVazquez-hh5tz]

“The web usually wins”... my theory, the Web does!! Shifting between dimensions, unleashes all the horrors to our world or worse, banished them to a dimension far far away.

[@thedistinguished5255]

maybe daisy only survived getting cut off from her fear because you can't die in the coffin. addicts frequently die if theyre cut off all at once, and i imagine jon could get hurt if he "just stopped" under normal circumstances. what youre supposed to do is gradually decrease, and yes, its hard

[@savingplayer1613]

The diminishing returns, only thinking about his next fix Guys, Jon has fallen to addiction, this is not good.

[@wonderwhatsgonnahappen579]

Jon needs food Feed him knowledge so he can gain strength Elias getting beat up is surprisingly good asmr

[@10brokenradios]

Ah, Elias. Everyone's (?) favourite piece of questionably human garbage. I must admit I kinda missed him.

[@CamilleChauTempsDesCerises]

As we don't have a follow-up I choose to consider the man turned out fine and was never bothered again by the Eye

[@ThatOneArchivist]

Man how is Jon not Duel Avataring at this point. Ain’t no way he ISNT an avatar of the Lonely with how alone he really must be

[@nanahuatli2144]

Let's all love Lain!

[@faxonii]

i want to give jon a hug so bad

[@RoseMultiverse]

That Eye aspect is doing terrible at surveillance lmao