RV INDUSTRY IS FACING A TSUNAMI OF NEGATIVITY! DO THEY DESERVE IT?

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[@Ekanselter]

Many large companies have failed when they move the engineers out of management and replace them with MBA graduates, HR people, and attorneys.

[@walterrafolski5662]

You’re definitely right!

[@igowhereimtowed6839]

Allen, thanks for all you do for the RV community. Let's be honest the real problem with the RV industry. The fact that most manufacturers have sold out to investment brokers. Their only concern is that the shareholders receive a dividend. Which, in turn, let's them charge for commissions. Now, the consumer has some responsibility here, too. Stop paying good, hard earned money on poor quality. It's not that hard to see poor quality. Just look at the fit and finish. Really, if the fit and finish which is right in front of you looks bad. Chances are if what you can see is cheap. What you can't see is cheaper.

[@lb7wade518]

Today’s manufacturing is built for the bare minimum! That goes for houses, cars, bridges and yes RV’s!!

[@maxcorder2211]

We have purchased two RV's. Our first was a small 18 ft TT. We bought it from Bretz in Missoula MT. It was a good little camper and we enjoyed just getting started in camping and learning the ropes. However, we had two dogs and the camper didn't have a slide out. So it was cramped. We decided to move up a bit. We traded for a Jayco 24RL at Bishes RV in Kalispell, MT. We have never had a major problem with this camper either. It fits our needs very well, and even in this hard-to-find-a-campsite era we can still get out 4-5 times in the summer. We take our grandkids and we have a fun time for a few days. I forgot to mention that when we traded for the Jayco 24RL it was in early 2021, Covid was here and campers were in demand and short supply. Dealers had signs out that would buy your camper. We got more money for our trade-in than we had paid for it. I've got my fingers crossed, but I would say that ours has been an enjoyable experience. Plus we got free lifetime propane from Bishes! Sure, we have had a few small issues, but I am handy enough to fix them myself and if not I have a really good RV mechanic who can and charges half of Bishes shop rate. Now, we are thinking about upgrading again. We are trading for a 3/4 ton pickup and thinking about maybe a 5th wheel. But, yours and other videos and my research on the current industry quality control (or rather lack of it) and poor materials has turned me off from that now. I watched a video of another KZbinr who is a good resource. He was visiting several RVs' at a show recently. A nice 5th wheel he videoed had a mfg. suggested retail of over $100,000, but was offered at this show for less than $70,000. I don't know what this really means, other than the industry just throws numbers out there to make you think you are really getting a deal. Which is BS. If they are willing to sell it for less than $70,000 then that's what it's worth. Ask any lender what a one or two-year old camper of the same type is worth. It probably won't shock you to find that it might be worth $50,000 or less. So, in effect people today are paying $70,000 at 10-14% interest with good credit on a 10-15 year loan for a product that is designed to fail before the end of the loan. A new camper can depreciate between 10-20% of its value in its first year, with some models losing up to 30%. After that, the depreciation rate slows down, with some models losing around 10% in the second year and 5% in the fifth year. So, not only is the manufacturer's product suspect; their warranty is suspect and their BS financial and pricing strategy is ridiculous on a product that depreciates at a tremendous rate. And the other kicker? Try to get a campsite at the place and time you want to go. Allen, I want to thank you for the time and effort you put into your videos. It is especially not easy in an industry that is in such poor customer relations, product-wise. They have their heads buried in the sand, hoping this will pass. Well, it won't. The country is in serious financial trouble, and the manufacturers are going to feel it very soon. Only the strong and competent will survive.

[@jeff953]

Nothing will change until the RV Industry is regulated just like the automotive industry.....

[@priscillawagner4939]

I believe him. And with the horrible roads

[@MitchellKaplan]

The problem is everyone brags about their record profits not record quality

[@texillini1]

Well Wingman, thank you for this video. I’ve never RV’d before. I want to rent numerous times and with different types prior to my first purchase. I retire in 5 years and any future purchase would be done then. After listening to that email I don’t know what to believe. If let’s say this guy is correct, the the only one true way of getting the manufacturers attention is to QUIT BUYING! Everyone right now, simply quit, boycott, take a stand, write letters to on the manufacturer of choice say… “We’re done, no more, not buying another unit until the quality improves.” If buyers don’t buy, dealers don’t sell. If dealers don’t sell, manufacturers aren’t making. Do I like boycotts? No, and they are only effective if everyone does it. It’s unfortunate that good honest people get hurt in them. But corporations only know and listen to the bottom line. Hearing this video makes me glad that I’m only in the research stage. I’ll never buy a Covid era camper because of these quality issues. I would hope that everything is fixed by the I ever do buy one. Thanks for the video.

[@joygarrett8397]

Rampant drug use etc has been a problem for a number of years across manufacturing in the US. And just plain laziness too. My ex was a maintenance mechanic in a number of manufacturers . . So repairing the manftg machines . . 2-3 X a week came home with stories of malfunctions caused by purposeful “jams” so the guys (& some gals) could go have an extended smoke/toke/drug/social media break . . No one ever “saw” anything (or wouldn’t admit it) so an entire line would be shut down for hours for repairs. According to unions those folks had to be paid as if they were working even though they weren’t. Oh the stories he told!! Costs to company was Aweful! And quality control was laughable.

[@bobmakowski7627]

Another spot on video. We currently are in a GD fiver, however we had a 2020 Jayco TT which the black diamond plate fell off the front laying against the propane tanks. I contacted Jayco as it was just past two years old and they replied they opt not to participate in the repair cost My RV insurance fixed it but I got rid of that pos. Out of one into another apparently, trouble yes. And if you dig deep Lippert has purchased many of the companies that make parts for the RV industry. I am looking to clean ours up and sell if I can. Then maybe a truck camper. Keep up the rant. Bob Makowski (1955 model)

[@jaimeriveras]

Lippert itself is ultimately owned by hedge funds.

[@allenpardon8211]

Listen, I have a 2018 keystone Laredo 335mk that dry weight is approximately 8600 and cargo of 1400 for a total of 10k. I bought a simple weigh scale to check the tongue weight. Both storage compartments are in front of the front axles. The distribution hitch that was sold to me was for a 1000 pound tongue weight. I pulled the unit for 2 years but had put it on a cat scale before to get gross weight. Long story short, my tongue weight was 1500 pounds,I scratched my head and went to unload both storage compartments and re weighed the tongue and was at 1300 pounds with both compartments empty, my propane tanks were full and the only other thing that was added to the weight was a mattress that my wife wanted instead of the rv mattress. The 2 storage compartments are useless and now carry all of that stuff in the rear of the camper till we park, then put the stuff in the storage bays. I have upgraded my hitch to a 1200 pound hitch. This goes to show that if you don’t check, it don’t take much to put you over especially if it’s a bad design and the storage space is just for styrofoam lol. Good video

[@esmoglo]

Bottom line the RV industry commands premium $$$ for subpar quality materials , construction, standards & service. Not to mention they hide behind the legal umbrella of confusion.

[@tishb62]

We wanted to really get a nice coach and go RVing, but I’m too darn afraid to buy one. My husband is more inclined, but If I get my way, I’d rather not waste my money on one anymore. We have really loved all the Grand Designs, but with all the issues we’ve seen, it’s frightening. I know that the Brinkley’s are very nice, but they don’t have a floor plan that we like, and every Alliance we’ve seen is okay, but the ones we looked at had a lot of quality issues also. We may look at getting an A Class, but I have heard the same things about them lately too.

[@ralphp3057]

I think much of the information is correct Wingman ! Definitely things are going wrong for many people buying RV’s ! I just don’t think it’s going to get any better in the Manufacturing end . I understand your passion on getting information out to people. Try not to get too overwhelmed with it all Alan . 😬👍

[@JP-mu3xl]

Funny, my RV frame is now 11yrs old and still no stress cracks, etc, and have NEVER overloaded it, its always been within the weight limit. Yrs ago, when earning my 50 miler hiking badge, I became very familiar with a heavy backpack & told myself that would NOT happen the following yr. So, be aware or diligent of weights and measures, label's, stickers, etc... Thanks again!

[@michaelsullivan1052]

Recycled steel is very common. No reason it should fail just because of that fact. Once it gets melted down and reformed and made to a certain spec it should be fine. Lippert frames are welded by robots. My guess is Grand Design tried to lighten up on the weight of their frames and to save money. Grand Design faulty design and poor/shoddy manufacturing like missing lag screws probablly allowed the frames to flex beyound the computer simulation. We will see if all if this ends up in court with a class action lawsuit which seems likely to me.

[@misterrobert6799]

I'm not worried about the cheap steel either it's the recycled cardboard they use for walls.

[@hondo1829]

RV industry better wake up or they will be bankrupt!

[@rockyjay55]

The whole country is bank rupt!!!

[@generalpatton5080]

As a 20 year veteran rv park owner the number one thing I have learned is rvs are junk. All in fact cheap or expensive all junk. Number one complaint with rv owners is getting warrantee work is the worst nitemare in their lives. The old units from the fifties and sixties seem to defi the trend that more modern units have. Probably in those times pride in workmanship was not second to profits. Think I'm crazy, operate a park for 20 years and look with pitty at the poor souls that invested their life savings in buying something that will be sitting along side the road waiting for a tow truck just to be taken to a repair facility to find out they may be living in their camper in the shops back lot. Not to mention the exorbitant expense to get unit back on the road. These rvs may be cute, cool or really fancy but the lipstick will soon wear off the pig and expose the tragedy the owners got themselves into. Keep up the good work wingman, these rv owners should keep up with your reporting.

[@lawrencecarlson2425]

I started my work life for a Fleetwood mobile home factory in 1970. Except for the politics being blamed here, the same exact criticisms applied to mobile homes. After work I took I5 for a 30-minute drive. It would be a rare day not to see a brand-new mobile home from our factory stopped alongside the road with wheels falling off, siding blown off, frames buckled, windows blown out, etc. Granted they were restricted to 40mph but that was too much wind road bounce. Many, many times factory techs would go out to rebuild part of a trailer after the delivery to the park. The trouble is the building codes are not adequate/ lax regulations.

[@chuckcauley8470]

At 63, I grew up camping. I carried my family camping and had been one of the best times of my life. That said, the last camper I bought was a used 2005 Fleetwood Providence DP. Other than general maintenance, it has held up pretty well. I admit that I would love to purchase a new camper, either a tag along or fifth wheel. Aside from spending that kind of money on the latest and greatest upgrades new campers have, I have heard quite a few nightmares others have had. The general overall quality is pretty discouraging from what I’ve been told. I can’t see myself in taking the risk when the one I have serves my purpose very well. The economy certainly is in no one’s favor. In the end, I don’t foresee the industry getting better. I enjoy your show and your pointed response to not only the industry, but to the inconsiderate RV’s out there. Keep up the good work.

[@DeekJohnson]

Great job…hold the bar high, Wingman. It would not take much to double the quality of these trailers. And after the price increase of these things over the last 5 years???? It would be soooo easy to own to top quality position in this industry.

[@thechroniclesofmaintenance4192]

This is nothing new, the 2015 38’ toy hauler we bought for retirement almost destroyed us financially and physically (long term stress is debilitating). The collusion between the manufacturer, LCI, and the dealer was stunning. The list of hidden defects is long and would never be found on a PDI. The short list by the end of year one; suspension failed twice grinding off the tires, the 2nd time hauling home completely empty after having the springs replaced by the dealer. Roof failed causing de-lamination because (as was verified by an authorized dealer) the roof material was cut short at the rear of the coach and bare wood covered with sealant. Wires pulled out of crimp connectors in control panel. Interior wood trim fell off. Slide floors rotted because of water incursion. The list is too long to share here. It was falling apart in the driveway and was unsafe to tow. Dealer service amounted to letting it set on the lot for 6 weeks then calling to pick up only to find nothing was fixed. No problem, schedule another 6 weeks and repeat until the warranty expires. Again there is too much to this sordid story of delaying and covering of backsides to fit into a comment. Our attorney stated as long as the dealer is “willing to repair” we had no legal recourse in PA. That doesn’t mean actually repair, just willing. We finally got out from under that mess which can only be described as an act of divine intervention, oh it cost us make no mistake, but another long story for another time.

[@kevinmartin8074]

Yes I do weight checks often it is real important for my new fifth wheel 06 Alumascape has close to 4000 lb of cargo capacity minus 490 lbs water never get close to gross but check for axle loading.

[@angie-xy5sf]

Thank you for your time.

[@DOCKent-3339]

My first RV was a screw job that never ended until it was totalled! Every time I turned around it was breaking then bit by bit I discovered that its engineering was totally substandard!!! And this was from one of the most respected manufacturers. I would never buy anything made in 2005 and after. I am full time. I don't take short cuts. I save and scrimp and spend lavishly because I have learned that the entire industry (and especially "service") CHEATS!!!

[@Xoaa95]

Thank you!

[@raybonecrusher4516]

Alan the best advice I can give is go visit a few dealers and inspect the goods yourself. Make sure you inspect it like it was going to be yours. Keep in mind the cost of the RV you are inspecting. Ray

[@misterrobert6799]

We'll get right on that Ray

[@joygarrett8397]

The right thing is the right thing . . .

[@williamrau8636]

I used to think that time share people were the lowest of the low. I was wrong.

[@joygarrett8397]

Also, when I had my last RV , & in for service/repairs/ checking roof/slides, etc, while the service manager was great to work with he was facing difficulties with quality of repair staff/drug & other issues . . I felt bad for me cause I had to have a few things redone that weren’t done/not right, but also felt bad for him because his difficulty in finding reliable & Trainable & willing good workers. His comment once to me : no one wants to work hard, learn this business, & provide quality service & customer service! I did feel bad for him cause he was really tying to improve the service department . . .

[@frostybandit1]

Never go alone when looking at rv's! If able get a certified rv inspector to tag along. Having an used rv dealer lie to you face about safety concerns should raise a big ol red flag.

[@Kingskruisin]

Thank you for having our back

[@DOCKent-3339]

PS my new old rig is Perfect or soon will be. After four years of research and then three years of searching and doing all my due diligence I still got screwed but I'm gonna return the favor to the errant fraudster and I will have one of the last of the great coaches 😊

[@lb7wade518]

Everything is engineered to be disposable!

[@Heugh1]

I appreciate your content - thanks

[@ptownsend5228]

Wingman, I recently viewed a KZbin video of a gentleman getting a tour of Lipperts production line and he specifically asked the Lippert representative if they used US steel or China steel based on rumors that they used China steel to mfg their frames. The representative said they use steel only from the US so was he telling the truth, who knows?

[@ksgoldwing1]

Hi Alan. Long time listener and enjoy you channel but have a few issues with this video. The questions you ask are reasonable and deserved but seemingly draw conclusions too fast without first hearing from Lippert. To get so worked up based on one mans opinion isn't right. First off, the accusations have not been proven about the steel, the workers, drug use or frame issues maybe being the RV manufacturers fault as per their requested built specs. Also, any manufacturer using ex-convicts can be construed as a good sign, being viewed as giving someone a second chance to redeem their lives. People wanting to turn their lives around don't go trying to seek employment - It is hard and difficult process only the motivated attempt to do. I've worked with ex-cons so I know this first hand. Additionally, it you are gong to be hard on the RV industry, and I believe they need to be seriously leaned on, then go easy on people like Liz from Liz Amazing. You were too critical of her just a short time ago when all she is trying to do is the exact same thing as you. You said one of her examples of poor workmanship should have been intuitive enough to have had an inspection before buying the RV. That was kind of harsh compared to your tone. Her example are real people with significant build issues. Maybe you should interview her and join forces in this effort (after you apologize). Finally, what about the manufactures who are not getting a lot of complaints? Rockwood used to be one of your sponsors and you often sung their praises. I am getting a second Rockwood party because of your interview with one of their managers during the pandemic. I like your channel and style, but you asked for comments and an honest discussion and this is my contribution to it. Much appreciated, Kerry Sabella

[@bobbingbirds8381]

YES! I agree with everything, especially regarding Liz from Liz Amazing!! I was thinking about her throughout this entire video and The Wingman's negative comments about her a few weeks ago...

[@Camper3man]

The one part you read about how long things last in an RV, I was told when I bought my travel trailer, I'm not going to mention the name that it was only last about 5 to 6 years and you know what he was exactly correct, everything in that trailer with the exception of the AC has quit working or I needed to repair it.

[@RonJames-xt3hx]

Bought my first tt last year in Febuary 2023, a surveyor legend 252rble, three months later the dealer closed there doors, I am stuck making all my own repairs. No dealership is going to work on a product they didn't sell.

[@user-cf2wt8xc9m]

Hold them accountable for their products.

[@davidmahoney7960]

I totally agree. Most kids aren’t made like they use to either. I’m glad we have a Renegade I feel it’s a very quality built rv.

[@1PacificRedwood]

Obviously the large Lippert frames last about two years. Lippert IS THE PROBLEM. The NTSB should shut down Lippert until their 'engineers' figure out how to design, build and weld strong frames and suspension that last 20 years. Obviously Lippert has never load-tested these large frames on the road over hundreds of miles or they might learn something. They certainly aren't listening to their customers, that is for sure. You can't expect the floor, walls and ceiling of an RV to hold tight to a flimsy, flexing junk steel frame with minimal welds that aren't worth a crap. I hope Lippert is sued out of existence for they have cause more problems for good people than should be allowed by law!!!

[@garyoffill562]

Its everywhere besides the rv industry. Just look at Boeing.

[@flapper4579]

HR is the problem. A lot of big companies are letting HR run the show. I myself work for a major trucking company and HR controls everything. Getting rid of 20-30 year people with with the knowledge and experience and bringing in this new generation with no work ethic, skills, or knowledge as long as they have that degree which has nothing to do with the job. Keep doing what you do.

[@jamieandwesalexander277]

Profits over customers - keep that up and pretty soon they won't have either. As reports of poor quality escalates, they will have fewer and fewer customers. It's a ridiculous self-inflicted injury from which no company can long survive!

[@dennismcdermott6964]

Wingman, we are trying to purchase our next travel trailer from a small regiional dealer, per your advice. WE think the East to West Alta bunkhouse unit will be a good fit. Can you point out any recommended independent dealers in the Houston TX area? Thanks!

[@madmike2624]

Alan, your temper is boiling, your as red as a wet hen!! Keep up the pressure on these silly manufactures. Keep up the pressure on the dealerships also!!! Bravo!!!!!

[@Msrverpilot]

Absolute awesome information , Alan you have creative a GREAT network of info to the people about the Manufacturing world of RV's ,I truly thank you, even as we speak of these things,I am ready to unload MY RIVERSTONE because of FOREST RIVER &. Their Customer service ,My RV has lost so much value in 3 years its crazy , Now I can't trade up for a BRINKEY

[@timothymartin664]

great movie with lucy ball collecting rocks and canned food. ladies' don't get combined weight rating .

[@angie-xy5sf]

the mark up on Lippert products sold (eg chairs etc are MARK IP 700%). buy same stuff at walmart for lots cheaper. do not buy anytjing Lippert

[@tinbarnranch]

Consumers have simply had ENOUGH! Of course they deserve it! Put out junk, charge excessive prices and then don't hire and/or keep qualified service people what do they expect?

[@m.mickeypayne9811]

I don't mind watching ads, but this Geico add is NOT playing . And because of that..your your KZbin video isn't playing. :(

[@marcpavlik]

My friends just got pardoned from a long term sentence with a catalina fifth wheel. It was a cheap, leaking, creaky, bad plumbing and floors pain in their butts!! I told my buddy to look at the POS in his mirror, ANILATAC. They finally ditched it. The clunker was a 2015 model. Total crap!

[@mikekeeler7060]

Cheap steel , how about cheap seating materials used over the years. Profits. .?…

[@ceciliapetrowsky2572]

You will be waiting a long long time before anyone takes you up on your offer. We are so fortunate we bought from a quality company that makes their own frames. Seven years and not one issue. I feel so bad for all these people with problems.

[@joygarrett8397]

And who is that?

[@genehart261]

As long as people continue to buy, this will never change, Many RV's are financed for longer than they will last. Liberals and conservatives are equally affected, this is not a political issue.

[@casskit9502]

You are so right. You are spot on. Totally agree.

[@kenp9469]

Sadly, I think all of that is true. There are some better brands, such as Ember. But in General, the quality is not there, in many other brands. The biggest mistake the manufacturers make. Is you can buy a 25 thousand dollar trailer. And expect, at that level, you will have problems But you can buy a 50 thousand dollar trailer. And have just as many problems.

[@ralphp3057]

Ember started out really bad !

[@robertrix2199]

Enjoyed the video . I believe that the person who wrote that information is probably correct on almost all of the comments. It's a sad commentary of the RV and alot of other business today.

[@jeffwatson2234]

Alan BELEVE this man when come to drugs in the RV industry , many RV plants suspended drug testing 10yrs ago so they can put asses on the floor I’ve lived in Northeast IN for 65yrs. And yet last fall we bought a Grand Design to start my retirement dream of traveling . If i had known then how this was going to blow up id just pulled the trigger and spent 30k more and got a Brinkley, we got 3k mile on this spring and now it been in the shop for 45days. !!!!! When it comes to the steel Lippert is using I don’t know this for sure but i thought it came from SDI in Columbia City IN. Or at least the I beams. Thank you

[@rockyjay55]

I heard of cheap Chinese Steel back in the 1990s. I believe that letter is mostly tree.

[@CSXcamper]

I have had many welders tell me the metal used today isn't the same as 20-30 years ago.

[@anthonyr5869]

Yes because it has to be lighter

[@mikesleigher932]

Alan as I told you. I have a now 16 yr old rv. I've been wanting a new one... but what is being put out is junk. I've seen them falling apart at shows!!! People are not buying this junk anymore and rightfully. They need to up the quality.

[@user-lu5sp1dh5f]

It’s not the “younger generation” that is at fault. It’s not the MBAs fault. It is the fault of the current climate of greediness that is at fault. Integrity has been replaced with indifference to the needs of the customer, relying on the gullibility of the public who are wowed by the mirage of beauty, high tech and family adventure possibilities. This industry believes the public is stupid. The industry has been able to bend the legal system to its will and get away with worthless warranties and poor/delayed repair options. I will NEVER buy an RV without an inspection. It should not be possible to sell new RVs that require an inspection. As a matter of fact, I am now only researching Canadian companies whose quality standards seem to exceed those in America by a large margin.

[@caniacstevehenderson7115]

Even before this mess started id never by a lippert framed rv

[@keithDaBest]

How often does FORD or Chevy, pull a car off the line, and scrap it?? no.. They have quality controls so they fix enough of it so that you can drive it home after you buy it. and if the motor blows up on the way home, they give you a new car, or your money back (per the law) and if the motor blows up in the first 30,000 miles, they replace it. lets see RV's do that... Don't have to scrap it.. just stop pumping out CRAP that nobody will stand behind.

[@andrewlynn4263]

The problem has the solution… you will need to look at the problem with an open mind with a sense of a change in paradigm.

[@REL3712]

I can't say I totally believe everything your contact asserted. But, I also can't say I don't. I do believe the industry has become too focused on the bottomline $$ and has lost sight of their "WHY." Change must occur now that they find themselves in the midst if a crisis. Change happens for one of two reasons: 1. People hate the current state. 2. A crisis. Hopefully the industry acknowledges the reality of the current state and understand it's in a crisis, perception or reality.

[@jefferybutner7647]

Yes I believe this it's junk $$$$$ and we pay for it

[@user-cf2wt8xc9m]

If is true ,the federal government made GM pay a fine for the key falling out of the ignition of the car, they millions for that, what make RV industrial get away with producing the bad product. Family are using this vehicle for traveling the fed should start going after them for these problems.

[@user-bz9kd2nx8s]

I don't like angry but when you spend a lot of money to find out you bought a sales pitch and junk. Anger is all we have. Here we can give back to the people who stole our money and warn others not to waste theirs. Hopefully you won't get a warning to stop like Liz did and have the Mighty HB say he doesn't like you. Hopefully out of the ashes comes something better.

[@user-lu5sp1dh5f]

I want the RV industry have to comply to the same safety and quality standards controlling the manufacturers of automobiles. Why are standards so different? How can the manufacturers get away with such shoddy quality steel? The cost of these machines far exceeds the cost of the average auto and the quality is far less!! I dont know which government entity is being paid off to permit this grift. I dont know which deep pockets are influencing regulations but someone is!!

[@nealcoppola9963]

I don't believe everyone in the RV Business is Bad. I do believe that far to many don't give a crap about what they do in the Business. I do think Profits drive the Industry for the SHORT TERM. If a Manufacture wants to stay around then they need to embrace better quality. I've been in the Automotive Repair Business for over 45 years , I've seen this problem before. It is extremely difficult to turn around quality. The assumption is that the RV Industry knows what quality is. Personally I don't believe they understand quality or care to learn about it. Sign me as someone that learned and understand the concept of Integrity. I think I'm a dying breed.

[@timothymartin664]

lazy days went bunko made nice units

[@michaeldeiters2723]

manufacturers trying to get their stock prices up by increasing and sales revenue,

[@alancall5113]

Good luck. manufacturers are never be truthful. Price gouging. You will get attention with this one😮

[@rockyjay55]

Quit using those junk Schintex slides. Redisign them like the vroom slides.

[@kensmart1976]

RVs are built to a certain price point. An RV could be much better built, but then prices will be higher. Consumers have proved they will buy the lower priced unit. So RVs get built for the occasional user who will trade up in five years. Consumers drive the industry.

[@David_Journey]

RVs are mostly handbuilt which increases costs and may compromise quality (control)

[@GP-qi1yb]

Profits drive the industry. (Especially because it is poorly regulated.) Marketing then makes sure the consumer doesn't really know what they are buying.

[@DanGarcia-xd7qv]

I am here to tell you, the RV industry is going DOWN! To many people now know what is going on, and I suggest that at least 20% of the RV manufacturers are post toasties. There is not 2 or 3% of financial advisors who would even suggest their clients buy one of these things; while reminding their clients how they procured their money...........and it wasn't by buying junk that they can not get the manufacturer to repair. RV manufacturers sell you a dream. To many clients end up in a nightmare, and then the manufacturers throw you under the bus as we can all see through KZbin. How many of us are now willing to invest 50, 60, 70, 90, 100, or 200,000 dollars, and if we end up with a problem, get ignored, made excuses to, and even if we end up on a KZbin channel watched by thousands, basically end up left holding the bag! Let these manufacturers FAIL, and hope someone with dignity takes their place. All of us love to camp/glamp, but it is now the time to hose these people who have hosed many of our compadres, and are STILL selling junk with the intention of possibly hosing YOU should you want/need a new RV. Don't be a statistic! Look at how the manufacturers make you go to Indiana, etc, to even try when you get the shaft. Before you buy anything new, look at the odds of a possible disaster; look at the money you are putting out, look at how EVERY channel shows how they try to put you off if you get sold junk, then make your decision. If you decide to buy their nonsense; if you are one of the people who ends up screwed, do NOT complain. You rolled the RV dice, and did it to yourself.

[@timothymartin664]

example boing whistle blower no very good job decision

[@chrislawrence5000]

Dang right they do they didn’t have a problem taking our money and lying to us

[@user-xx4sy7hs5u]

Your face is turning Red! I guess you are visibly upset!

[@Wanderingsomewhere145]

All anecdotal bs, no data. Meandering rant. You imply Russian aggression against Ukraine does not require use of tax dollars to support a fledgling democracy. Bogus position, but has no bearing on your rant. Why would any company be compelled to respond to you? Sorry dude, but you’re on the wrong track.