RV REPORT Reveals Shocking Truth About Grand Design RVs

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[@christinaholligan8299]

I'm not an old RV or we are bead for since probably 2017 however one thing I have learned is the manufacturer's warranty seems to tell me a lot about that product. Now I didn't know that before so that's something to me that makes a difference in the quality of item

[@mtnpeek6748]

The whole rv industry needs a revamp. Manufacturers put out crap, dealers aren’t in the business to fix these defects, they are in the business to sell them so the consumer loses out.

[@bounderchris]

Exactly! I ditched a brand new junk Jayco Eagle and bought a 02-08 class A motorhome, which is built WAY better… that was the sweet spot when they cared about their customers and products.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

The whole RV industry in Indiana (Indiana Mafia) is corrupt and that is easily proven.

[@jjoutback]

Until "revamp" = STOP BUYING OVERPRICED GARBAGE products......Enjoy your journey dealing with Companies & Dealers who give not shit 1 about Customers.

[@debfry8041]

We are full-time RVers since 2021. We bought a 2005 Monaco Knight motorhome (Monaco no longer exists) and the quality difference from our coach compared to the newer ones is considerable. We looked at a new FR3 by Forest River and a new ACE by Thor, that were in the same price range as the Monaco, before deciding on an older, better built RV, which is the one we are in. This will be our only RV, as we do not have endless funds to purchase multiple RVs. We are so glad we resisted the urge to buy new, and went with a tried and true RV. Manufacturers need to build quality rigs again, and stand behind your product!

[@mikepeters5785]

You guys have my respect, as a fellow Grand Design owner, for standing up for everyone that don’t have a voice.

[@mikepeters5785]

Thank you for standing up for the quiet ones.

[@LarryOrtwine]

@@mikepeters5785my dad has the grand design 265. We were changing out an electric drum brake last night. I was jacking up the trailer and the trailer walls sounded like it was going break.

[@diyernh]

My opinion is that “HB media” is affiliated with “HB Capital “. The capital side shorts stocks and then the media side releases a scathing news report that drives the stock price down. They buy the shares at a lower price to pay back their borrowed (shorted) shares. I don’t believe that HB really wants to improve the company as they could drive the price higher, causing HB to pay higher price to buy the stocks they’re short. If you’re investing, you could see money, but if the stock price crashes, you could see bankruptcy. Bankrupt is the best return for short sellers. They keep it all.

[@angelaklinger2951]

Thank you Tom and Cheri for everything you do for us RV folks and the RV community. I really think manufacturers are starting to look at many of the KZbinrs like yourself who are turning into advocates and are starting to fight. It brought tears to my eyes Cheri to see you so upset. I wish I could have reached through my computer screen and give you a big hug.❤️😘🙏

[@amop33]

That’s why I bought an Outdoors RV. Custom frame and not built in Indiana.

[@stana2z]

I’ve said this more than once. STOP BUYING THEM!! Even for six months, don’t buy ANY RV for six months and see if they get the message.

[@TheRVDummies]

I will say, I am addicted to camping 😢 but we are still using our 2017 and have no plans to buy soon

[@4803heights]

I know of a company outside Indiana that manufacturers their own frame, builds a quality 5th wheel, but starts @ $250K/New Horizons.

[@claytonsalikie6980]

Artic Fox and Cougar are built here in Oregon. They build their own frames. ❤

[@jordancook1668]

Cougar most definitely does not build their own frames.

[@MileHighBeach]

Oh, another note we have friends with a Montana and they have frame flex. Had to move out for a week for repairs. It’s not just Grand Design.

[@gcslade]

My Montana had frame flex. However, I think the difference is Keystone worked with me to resolve the issue, whereas some other brands are in complete denial mode and leave customers to deal with it. My sense is all most all 5th wheel manufactures have some level of frame flex given almost frames are made by the same manufacturer. Sadly, the whole RV industry is being negatively affected by very poor frame and superstructure quality and horrific customer service by a few.

[@marcsmelser9508]

You guys nailed the truth with this!! "Gas Lighting" key words. The frame is under designed in my opinion and this is a massive problem. I feel for you guys, I sure did not think I would be advocating for a recall on Grand Designs frames after buying ours new in 2022. Our frame failed after 9 months of light use from being new. Our dream has been destroyed!!. That article is only the beginning of exposing the truth. "Focus on Fun" more key words. I have also had to limit what I share about our RV and its problems with my wife. It overwhelms her. This RV has caused a lot of stress on our relationship.

[@russellbuck4175]

I have a 1997 keystone cougar 5th wheel. Its a pain traveling because campgrounds tell me its too old But i have no problems with my camper at all. I will never buy any new camper. I will just keep my camper because it works.

[@440-6Pack]

Russellbuck4175 needs to learn to spell the word “too”.

[@russellbuck4175]

@440-6Pack why nobody else does. Sorry just in a rush. I guess I fail the test

[@gowest5145]

We heard that a lot when we lived in Florida. In a couple of campgrounds they didn't want any RVs older than 10 years old. One campground wanted to see a picture of the RV. In the end we never had any trouble getting into a campground because of our RV being too old. It was all just a bunch of talk.

[@DrRodder_Jim]

I'm looking at rebuilding the older 2006 TT/TH I have vs buying anything newer as othervthan current water damage do to previous owners lack of care (tore roof and didn't reseal it). I sealed it 15 years agi, but the damage slowly took over from way back then. Niw wooden structure needs replacung in the front section. Newer has nicer features, but can lead to just as much work fixing manufacturers defects. 😢

[@russellbuck4175]

@@DrRodder_Jim I'm amazed my roof has lasted this long. I have resealed a few times. I only had to replace my hot water heater and ac unit. But everything else is original. I do make up grades for the fancy features when they will benefit me. As I have been living in mine full time for the last 12 years. Good luck with your rebuild.

[@gorvyourself]

Thanks Pete and Lisa!!!! You all helped us late last year.

[@MakingMyAbodeOTR]

Best channel name ever! 😂😂

[@debyarger3084]

We have a 2021 Grand Design 22reb couples tow behind. We have traveled within our home state of Michigan, and last year, we took a once in a lifetime trip out west for a month. This year, we planted ourselves on a seasonal site for 5.5 months. One day sitting and reading i hear a sound like a spring broke and let lose and the rig shaked a little. It then happened again a few weeks later.Leaf springs are fine and connected.We now have a soft floor,yet no leaks that we can see. When we head home,we'll have to drop our under belly. This is our home from May 1st to Oct 16th,then we're back in our sticks and bricks. Thank you for making this video. Accountability needs to happen!!!

[@michelletyson4535]

I am a former Solitude owner. Thank you for telling the truth about this company. It's about time.

[@karenlewis333]

Could this be one of the reasons why skoolies are becoming so popular??????

[@horizon42q]

Michael Happe ignored my FedEx letter about my 2020 Horizon. It was sent Signature Required by him only. Back in 1999. I sent a letter to Mr. Cream ( CEO ) at Fleetwood RV. He called me the next day. He spoke to me personally about the little issue in my entry-level gas Class A. How about that?

[@daveylopez766]

Hi guys, I’m glad all this is coming up. Four years ago, my parents bought a brand new Forest River travel trailer. It now needs a new roof, which Forest River will not cover and we have to replace it our selves. This is a four year old travel trailer, and it already needs a new roof! The quality of these rigs are so poor and they are so expensive, it unreal and unfair to the consumers. Keep up the good fight!

[@briankiefer856]

The only way for consumers to fix this problem, that is being produced in Indiana, is to stop buying their junk. If you try to engage in legal recourse, a class action claim, filed in federal court, or from another state, the class action will be transferred to state court in Indiana, in where your damages will be eliminated, and remedy favorable to the company. That’s exactly why they’re in Indiana. You the consumer, has the power to effect change, and that’s to stop buying their defective products. All of these companies in discussion, have in fine print, identifying arbitration and severability clauses, in the post inspection at delivery, in which explicitly identifies their duty of care owed to you, in the event the consumer seeks legal recourse. Basically, if you sign, then you forfeit your right to pursue damages against them. What’s that mean? You’re back to square one. The defective issue is still there. And the company is laughing in your face, as they know they’re not legally obligated to do anything. I’ll give you an example: vaccines that are now being discovered to be harmful. Most of these drug makers are headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana. The patient’s are finding that they are unable to seek legal recourse. A. The FDA refuses to provide studies, indemnifies, and holds harmless the drug maker. B. Indiana provides cover for civil actions against the companies. And Indiana provides cover for tort claims against public/government entities. This process will continue until the U.S. Supreme Court upends the statutory scheme as unconstitutional.

[@denisephillips9269]

What vaccines have been proven harmful? And what was the harm?? Who wrote the dats/information/study?? Would love to see your response.

[@briankiefer856]

@@denisephillips9269 So, a research check has matched your name to an attorney profile. Of course, I know there are many people with the same name. But, I will not release names in medical case studies as this violates the Privacy Act and HIPAA. You can go to the US Courts, known as PACER, and make a request for production. PACER does charge document fees. If you’re not the attorney matching your name, then you may hire an attorney that specializes in Consumer Product Safety Cases, and they can assist you in retrieving the information, for which you request. Expect to pay at a minimum ten thousand dollars in retainer, and about three hundred dollars an hour for consultation. Due to the voluminous amount of data available, plan on a forty hour consultation at the hourly rate. These fees do not include expenses, that means paper, phone calls, emails, and etcetera. These expenses can be salty. Also, the State of Kansas, Attorney General, has brought a cause of action against a drug maker, for misleading and concealing the risks of its vaccines. Also, under FOIA, the FDA mandated drug makers to attach to vaccines the risks that may cause, in utilizing drugs for conditions as thereby stated. In conclusion, I’m not posting information in which is protected by privacy, or in violation of State and Federal laws. If you’re that attorney as indicated above, nice try.

[@briankiefer856]

@@denisephillips9269 So, your name matches an attorney profile. Of course, there are many people with the same name. You should know that the privacy act and health insurance portability and accountability act preempts your very request in a public forum. Federal and State laws also bar information to be published on this forum, in reference to your request. Under the freedom of information act, the food and drug administration has directed the drug makers to publish adverse effects that can be experienced with its drugs. The State of Kansas, Attorney General, has brought a lawsuit against a drug maker, for concealing, misleading, and withholding, the effects of its drug in relation to a known epidemic. If you need assistance, then you may hire an attorney that specializes in consumer product safety. The appropriate fees, such as retainer, consultation, and expenses apply. You may also visit pacer, pro se, via the United States courts to ascertain records per your query. If you’re the attorney described above matching your name, nice try.

[@briankiefer856]

Ok, I heard from a number of you regarding the previous post. Indiana Law on warranty claims has not changed. How many defective frames were produced per the Hunterbrook report? Unknown. Currently, there are only one hundred and twenty five complaints filed with National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. Of those complaints, only ninety one mention “frames.” This isn’t a moving number for the federal agency to issue a recall campaign. Yes, I agree the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act trumps Indiana Law. However, this process requires a long history; photographs, logged communication, defective repairs, refusal of repairs, certified letters, and the list goes on, to pursue a successful complaint. Out of all these complaints with issues only twenty two were filed under Magnuson. And we don’t know who prevailed, or the disposition of the adjudication per the settled cases. The settled cases don’t identify a pretrial agreement either. This is where both parties settle by mediation before trial. I agree there’s something rotten in the manufacturing process. But, the Hunterbrook report does not conclusively identify a mitigating factor of a causation. Also, there’s a lot of gaslighting with the old he said she said conversations. Overall, there’s still no smoking gun. The who’s at fault scenario. I don’t see anywhere in all of these conversations where third party expert engineers were at the frame manufacturer to conduct stress tests, or the expert engineers were at the rv manufacturer to evaluate the set on frame process, building the coach. In conclusion, it’s great the conversation has begun. But, at this point , it’s more or less finger pointing. Again, no smoking gun has surfaced to nail down responsibility. And Indiana Law on product liability still stands.

[@patriciafisher2838]

Thank you for speaking up. Retired this year with plan for purchase of a new truck and solitude after researching and following those who have grand design's RVs. So very grateful that owners spoke up on KZbin with their major problems. You all saved us our life saving for being honest, We are so disappointed with not being able to fulfill are goals and bucket list. Will not be purchasing a RV till regulations change regarding the RV industry's poor quality for such major $$$$$ investments and lack of responsibility for their products. "Madder than Hell and not going to take it anymore". Hope they all go out of business from consumers not purchasing any of their products.

[@Msrverpilot]

Thanks for making this video .. We are no longer GRAND design Owners, We had a 381 , We now have a Riverstone, And love it. Again Be safe and Thanks..

[@d0gFartz]

Same here. Traded GD on a new Riverstone. Not even a contest when you look at the frame/mechanicals. Big difference between a company that builds a handful of trailers a week vs a day

[@dieselgreg60]

These RV’s are under engineered and the larger 5th wheels are not designed to travel thousands of miles on US roads but the RV companies are promoting the RV lifestyle when their equipment can’t fulfill what they are promoting

[@kellythomsen6720]

Cheri, please take care of yourself. You have so much empathy for others, just like I have, and it takes such an emotional toll on us. God Bless you both.

[@EvenaGirlCanDoIt]

You need to get with KZbinr Liz Amazing she helps people with RV’s that are falling apart or that they need fixed by the mfg with no out of pocket cost.

[@ChristynO]

Liz is great! She has helped a lot of people and raises awareness about RV issues.

[@WestsontheMove]

Or Grand Design RV Major Issues. Tom and Cheri already know though. We help our members work towards getting resolution for them.

[@aajayneo]

@@WestsontheMove

[@kristenmccreary8692]

Thank you for doing this video. What is the new RV company which does not make their RVs in Indiana? If I missed it in your video, I apologize. Thanks!

[@christineharris6574]

Northwood manufacturing - Arctic Fox - LaGrande Oregon. They build their own frames in house.

[@keithm7087]

What worries me as a GD owner is am I going to be able to get any dealer to take this unit in on a trade without losing my shirt.

[@phillipc4865]

I have already heard they won't take them on trade.

[@jonathanwilliams7161]

Thanks to ALL who are bringing the "truth to light"....I pray that God blesses all who are involved!

[@johnjordan9491]

Hey Cheri, I'm in Destin now... Recently married and retired from both work and camping, lol. Best of luck to you and Tom. I've enjoyed watching your vids through the years. It's cool to know an old friend has become a YT star! 😀We almost went full time RVing, until we lost confidence after a roof leak, among other things structurally that totaled our camper. We are choosing instead to stay in our home on terra firma, and maintain our brick and mortar investment. Caravan life is not for us.

[@melodygrandinetti5016]

We just bought the new line of grand design 2024 28rl. Took it on a 4200 mile trip and never had anything wrong with on the trip, but will be checking the frame now that you brought it up thanks

[@GypsyBewytched]

Praying Cheri stays safe! (and Tom too!)

[@dianepaetzell6309]

I believe it's true about the RV industry and that's one reason I'm glad we bought an older RV that (hopefully) was built better. That's why I'm also bugged by discrimination against older RV's!

[@threeftr3349]

We have a 13 yr old 5ver, and will will never buy a new one either. First of all they are at least double and in some cases triple the price of ours. We have upgraded/or replaced parts as needed. Fixing things has been few over the last 13 years.

[@rickfetz469]

Your discussion today and what I have learned about the rv industry is leading me away from the rv lifestyle. I just don’t need the problems, stress, and expense at my age (69). My analysis of the rv industry is that it is the wild Wild West with little codes, quality, inspection, standards, etc. I bought a used Class B and realized the rv dealer cares nothing about the van and the van manufacturer cares nothing about the rv and they just point their fingers at each other. I was so frustrated with this attitude that I sold it much sooner than planned at a loss due to the stress it put us under. We are now traveling in our suv and staying in hotels and having a great time. Thanks for your courage maybe you can get the rv. Industry’s attention to improve. All great homes have a great foundation.

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

Thank you for sharing. Our hope is that the RV industry as a whole will finally listen and stop putting profits ahead of people.

[@justonebeliever]

I'm so glad that this major issue was discovered before I bought one to full time in. I hope you get your issues fixed if there is one. Thank you for bringing this to light.

[@deerrick1]

I have an Alliance 29RL. It is fantastic. What's broken is warranty service. My trailer has been at the dealer for over 6 weeks for warranty work. Nothing huge but the Alliance warranty process takes FOREVER! So much for after the sale customer support.

[@theathjr]

My good friend and co worker bought a NEW tow behind trailer about 10 years ago and had nothing but problems from day one. He only used the trailer two or three times per year and it was a disaster. His average towing distance for trips was about 150 miles and eventually he had to sell it for a huge loss because it was basically disintegrating year by year. Thank you both and others for bringing attention to this problem and hopefully change will take place in the manufacturing industry. 👊

[@johnrosenthal7270]

I own a 2021 GD 303 and we really like it. We use it about 100 days a year and no major repairs. Just a new water heater tankless because of a winterization problem. RV just got too big and too heavy, fortunately we bought a small 5th wheel.

[@quicksoncamping2039]

I am sorry, this is not just a Grand Design topic. I hate that so much focus has been put on Grand Design when they finally (yes, it took some time) stepped up and changed the frame warranty to 5 years retroactive/transferable what other manufacturer has done that? I fully agree the RV industry needs better standards and BTBRV is trying to help. All of these KZbinrs need to work on seeing how big this problem is and stop calling it a Grand Design issue it is across the industry.

[@EBKRV412]

You say GD stepped up but they did not and most likely won't...did they FIX the issues with the frames and connection points? NO....so they did absolutely nothing to step up...and when its a 10:1 GD having the issue then yes its mostly a GD issue but most manf are also at fault for cheap components thanks to LCI's monopoly on the industry...IF GD did step up and FIX the issue with the cheap thin metal and the way the rigs are engineered and built then show me how they "stepped up" and did so...I'm waiting

[@rboundlessventures]

We don't have a model that you're mentioning. We have a 2023 Montana 3793RD, with a sidewall crack on the rear door side on one of the couch slide opening is cracked. As of September 23 it is at the customer service center for about a week now. Was told that the fiberglass has to come from Germany to manufacture a new wall....Which they said will not arrive till about mid October,I think this is crazy

[@StanNoll-o2p]

Hi I have a 2021 montanna 35’ lagacey full body paint I have a crack on the side wall bottom left corner of my bedroom slide and had a sqeek now a small soft spot in the bed room between the bed and closet, and I also have a bad problem with my kitchen slide my dealer replaced the gear packs back in July and now it’s not working agin waiting for keystone to come pick up to take back to factory. And that’s not going to happen until the first week of Dec, I canceled there of my trips now I’m done for the year. I’m not a happy retired man right now just very disgusted .

[@Teresa.McDermott]

I'm so sorry this continues to be a problem. We bought a brand new toy hauler last year and quickly realized how shoddy it was built. We sold it after our 2nd trip and built our own out of a brand new cargo trailer. Now we have a high quality built trailer that cost less than the grey wolf. Yes, we had to take the time to build it but at least we can hang a small tv on the steel frame and it will still be there when we stop! I sure hope you get your issues resolved!

[@dbkonkle]

Where’s the video link you mentioned? I can’t find it anywhere in the multitude of links in either the pinned comment or video description.

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

full report and video enjoythejourney.life/news

[@celestezardeskas6510]

These companies should be ISO9000 audit-certified. That is a world-wide recognized Quality System Regulation. It forces the companies to address these issues OR they are not certified. If all RV companies needed to have this Certification, then they'd be force to address these and most issues within their quality system.

[@WestsontheMove]

❤❤❤

[@aricellis]

It's not just a Grand Design problem. It's the lack of quality coming from Lippert who is building a majority of the frames. I've looked over bare frames before anything is mounted on them. The welds are incomplete, have holes in them, and look so sloppy that I don't know how the frames made it off the assembly line. To make matters worse, once the RV's are built, you cannot inspect any of these welds unless you deconstruct the rig. I hate government regulation, but the RV industry needs major oversight.

[@chuckchillson2877]

I do blame GD and any manufacturer that accepts subpar frames. if you choose to built your product on the frame you accept the responsibility of whatever happens and fix the problems.

[@suzyqntx]

I’ve looked for the link to the major announcement and could not find it in the description. Can you please provide the link?

[@howards4436]

Same here. There was nothing said about the "Breaking News" headline. I am not meaning to be negative, but where is the information?

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

@@howards4436 full report and video enjoythejourney.life/news

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

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[@pennyweir8166]

These issues have become completely devastating to far too many people. Thank you for speaking out. I’m sorry you’ve suffered multiple issues and struggles with your rig.

[@xTinBenderX]

Excited to see the project you're looking at in the next video. From my RV mechanic I was told Wiinnebago or Fleetwood are throw away RVs. I had a Fleetwood. I'm a single man with toys so I'm leaning towards the more industrial built ATC with it's all aluminum and composite construction, even though they are made in Indianan.

[@ldzag6688]

THANK YOU for this video. You two are amazing and you hit everything in this video spot on. THANK YOU ....

[@timmiller9965]

I own a Montana High Country 43 ft 5th wheel. Its build is really good. Montana builds their frames based on the floor plan design, not a generic design they build floor plans on top of. It has standard features that are upgrades on most other units. If you are looking for a solid unit, look into a Montana or Montana High Country.

[@KYTrailRider]

Thanks for that! We are taking delivery of a MHC 295rl next week.

[@miracleyorkies4212]

I thought you were going to tell us the name of the company who is not in Indiana I waited the whole video to hear it and you didn't tell us

[@TheRVDummies]

Great video guys! ❤ you guys!

[@altonsierra8723]

Look into Northwoods and Outdoors rvs in LaGrande Oregon.

[@mtnpeek6748]

Thank you for sharing this. It’s important. ❤

[@kellytils5967]

Love yall

[@Jimmg6171]

So did all of this start after Winnebago bought Grand Design? I have a 2018 Reflection, should I be concerned?

[@blacksmithnc]

I have a 2016 Reflection 303 and have no problems with it. My fifth wheel was made before Winnebago bought Grand design out. It is not a huge toy hauler which people tend to overload and complain they are having frame issues. These videos complaining about a certain brand of rv are misleading because many brands of rv's use the same Lippert frames. When Grand Design first started making rv's they were one of the best made rv's on the market but when Winnebago bought them out they went downhill.

[@davidnoyes3373]

Same with anything that winnebago has purchased! They put profit over quality!

[@MakingMyAbodeOTR]

This is incredibly upsetting! I just love you guys and appreciate your honesty SO MUCH!❤ We also have decided to not align ourselves with any brand (even though we LOVE our rig and have not had any issues) because of all of this craziness. My husband works for an rv roof company installing and repairing them, and GD is the number one brand he works on. He's done over 100 rv roofs and has said he will never buy one or recommend one.

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

Wow, thanks for sharing.

[@MakingMyAbodeOTR]

@@EnjoyTheJourneyLife Of course! Thank YOU!

[@HamHockRadio]

I personally lost 20k on a travel trailer by crossroads and it had major water damage because the window was not sealed at the factory and I didn't find out until I gave it away and the guy who took it for free fixed it!. It was at the dealer multiple times for repair an they knew it and never fixed it. As for flex, I used to find my back bathroom door pop open while going down 95 south to florida. So many time I had to pull over to close it. the door was double locked!!!!

[@jeffhughes7536]

It’s so sad that a company can get away producing products of inferior quality. While we aren’t a grand design owner (we have a class a) I have talked several people out of buying a 5th wheel and specifically Grand Design. My heart goes out to you and the folks that have purchased this brand. It’s also concerning in terms of safety with these rigs going down the road.

[@pammortensen8225]

I’m so confused. We are getting ready to pull the trigger on a brand new Grand Design. We have been so excited, but now I’m thinking we should just keep our old trailer and run it into the ground.

[@davidlantz4136]

Rethink your decision there customer service is not good and the quality build is not good. Rv manufacturers are scammers!!!

[@Berrypancakes229]

Don’t buy one.

[@pammortensen8225]

@@Berrypancakes229 Agree. We are back to the drawing board. Currently looking at RVs built in Oregon.

[@pammortensen8225]

@@Berrypancakes229 Back to the drawing board. We have decided no Grand Design for us. We are currently looking at trailers built in Oregon.

[@rvgoingnow]

I saw that Alliance deleted an owner’s Facebook post about their fresh tank falling out of the bottom of their fifth wheel. So, Grand Design isn’t the only manufacturer doing that kind of stuff.

[@marysullivan1588]

My sister had a Forrest River that leaked from day one and the solution to fix it was to drive it to Indiana so they could buzz the whole roof off and replace it with a new one . Needless to say the RV was filled with mold and my sister just called it a day and so it to a person that was going to fix it himself .

[@stephenduncan8809]

This issue fires me up. I’ve been told from day 1 …. “Oh that’s just part of it” … um no it shouldn’t be. I own a Grand Design product and I’ll never buy another one. I know the exact Facebook group that only sees rainbows and unicorns and worship the ground Don Clark walks on . I’ve made the comment about it being very cult like…. Never say anything negative about GD or get attacked. It’s sad to see other KZbin channels blindly push GD products . But I guess that keeps them on the road and they get to try new RV’s. It’s absolutely sicking . I hope this hurricane takes my rv out!

[@charlotterohde7383]

Go to Canada or Europe, and you will see the difference in quality. You are both so right. We have seen youtubers like downsizing makes sense, my bucketlist, Liz Amazing, etc. We have been very lucky we bought a 2019 toy hauler travel trailer with no slides in 2018, and yes, we took out the dinette and put a combo washer dryer in. We have added Henry's tropi-cool on the roof, have solar panels we use at our property for boondocking. We only detected a vent that was never connected under our sink, but luckily that has been it. Regular maintenance of tires and we think it may be because it is a toy hauler it was built a bit sturdier. We are really on the fence about switching to a class C, because as we age it is getting tiresome to hitch and dehitch, but we see what is going on with RV makers' lack of accountability, and we really hesitate to switch. Glad you are blowing the whistle. I have to wonder which government agency regulates these RV builders, DOT, or do you have to lawyer up with a consumer rights attorney? Would be great to see some sort of vigilance that would score the quality and safety of RVs like they do cars. We enjoy your videos, and have noticed many RV youtubers facing issues, getting inspectors' certificates, and having to take a break from the road due to the stress of poor quality RVs.

[@stevejansky9913]

We are an older couple and when we first started the RV camping life, I remember the manufacturers stating that if most RVs are used as full time rigs the warranty was void. There were specific rigs that were built stronger that were called "Park Models" that did not get their warranty voided if used full time. I am not sure when that stipulation changed in the industry. I also have seen rigs grow in size and complexity. We currently have a Carriage Cameo LXI and although they are out of business (2010) they made most of their components in the rigs in house including their frames, cabinets, upholstery, etc which I think is better to prevent the blame game who is responsible.

[@Berrypancakes229]

Our Rockwood mini lite 2022 was great no leaks. No problems. The entertainment sofa is cheap but they updated with better sofa for 2024 . The listen to their customer and make it better . So far I’m happy with there manufacturer. 😊

[@marcsmelser9508]

Thank you!!! Thank you!!! for creating this video!!!!!

[@ToddM452]

What I find interesting is why CL hasn’t commented on their Momentum? They are an Ambassador I was told. GD has to figure out what the frame builder is going to do about these issues.

[@reycardenas8092]

Great information

[@MorrisWilliamsonJr]

I bought a 2021 Raptor 321 and the second time I took it out on a trip, My interior wood work came of the slide outs and fell. Cost a 1200 to have it fixed and was told that that was not covered under warranty. I fell they all don't care when they put these things together. It sickening after spending 100 grand.

[@tomwilliam5118]

It might be me, but I can’t find the video they’re talking about

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

full report and video enjoythejourney.life/news

[@KristianKnox-q8w]

Thank you for sharing and being the voice of GD owners.

[@garynaylor2058]

Have a 2022 Reflection is there issues?

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

Absolutely!

[@Gratefulwon]

Good luck with that.

[@gcslade]

If you want to worry, go watch "Cruising with the Carsons" and find their GD ownership journey episodes.

[@Gratefulwon]

@@gcslade They pulled those episodes because they got the “deal”, and part of that deal was….. pulling the episode’s.

[@gailwarnock2764]

You are all doing the right thing by speaking out these companies can't keep building shonky products and ripping people off and not doing the right thing . Keep up the good fight and stick together if you all stand up together you are a force to be reconned with . Love to you both from the South Island of New Zealand . 🌻

[@DOUGG4600]

Hi Tom , been watching your videos since you dropped your rv 😮!! I bought a brand new 2020 351m right before pandemic. I noticed chafing in the bedroom cabinets , floors creaking .. last spring while in Pa coming back from OBX we had total frame failure . It cracked completely on both sides .. long story short insurance did not cover , GD did however kinda took care of me with new unit … it’s horrible what we go though.. it’s a huge problem

[@eg513]

Grand Design is a great product 🎉🎉

[@rrrobeltnest7295]

After buying a brand new 2017 Rockwood, forest river it was complete garbage. It spent the first six months in the shop to fix things by the time the one year warranty was up. I can’t tell you the amount of stuff that went wrong with it. I got rid of it. I no longer have RV or trailer Hotels now.

[@wkayl]

We toured some new RVs at our state fair. We both said we would not trade our 2008 Excel 5th wheel even up for any of them. Very, very poor build quality in the new units.

[@RetiredClay]

Great video. 🇺🇸. Glad you made it back to the USA 👍🇺🇸

[@thisoldrelic]

I had my fridge fall out of my Gulf Stream several times. I got no response from them. The fridge manufacturer says you don't need to secure it. It was a big design flaw and I hope I have the fix from my own ingenuity buy until I get it out on a trip I won't know.

[@pammortensen8225]

Gulf Stream put an axel on ours that was too small for our trailer. We ended up fixing it ourselves because it was impossible getting them to admit they goofed.

[@phillipc4865]

Pitiful. The industry has gone down the toilet. The prices have doubled and the quality is non existent. I'm a former Carriage owner. Carriage had a long history of quality. They could no longer compete due to changing trends AND an experienced, seasoned work force. So what happened.....they were shut down and the company was basically rebranded as Lifestyle LRV. Many of the same employees for less pay. They built the same RV as a Carriage but with a few improvements. I had a 2014 LS36fw. I wonderful RV and an incredible frame. People weren't will to pay the price for their quality so they went belly up. If you find a used one that has been maintained, grab it. Excellent rigs with no crappy slide out mechanisms, etc.

[@williamlord2840]

I have a 30 foot Cross road that I examine the structure to discover that the screws supporting the wall aren't secured with nuts and bolts.

[@christopherstimpson6540]

A one year warranty with many different manufacturers is a disaster. They know they can toss blame around until the warranty expires. Since an owner ends up repairing a brand new RV themselves, they might as well just buy a used one. A used one may have already had some repairs done. While traveling in Mexico, get all the repairs done there at a fraction of the cost. They actually know how to weld there.

[@denisephillips9269]

One question: RV stands for Recreational Vehicle. I have always been under the impression an RV was not meant as a permanent home/structure. Does the continued use and hauling result in some of the problems encountered? Thanks for any information you can give. I am not discounting problems experienced. I agree too many manufacturers produce poor quality merchandise.

[@starhopper457]

Tom...how much of this is on Lippert for the frames versus what the OEMs are adding to those frames? I like the Grand Design as far as their layouts, storage, and organization, but right off the bat even their empty weight was of concern. A few years later, I'm glad I never went with them. I agree... this is nothing but gaslighting from the CEO.

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

We don't know. We hope by sharing the information the industry as a whole will stop putting profit over people.

[@ilurker3033]

Is this mostly the momentum or are they finding problems with like the 310 solitude for instance? I’m trying to sell my 310 now. I’m concerned I may not get anything for it.

[@Itsa_Mea]

Solitudes also unless it has the Rhinobox Spacesaver frame.

[@GDRVMajorIssues]

@@Itsa_Mea Hey Itsa_Mea, I recognize you from the Honey Badger. Most Grand Designs are having issues.

[@dmesser06]

I must have missed it. What company is Tom talking about that is not making RV's in Indiana. I would really like to know the group that is making high quality like he mentioned.

[@shannanbegley8189]

Grand design reflection 2021 340 rds owner. Thank you for speaking up and keeping us informed. I wish we would have never bought it.

[@jlinkletter9590]

"Liz Amazing" videos have addressed a number of defective NEW RVs. She's helped some get buy backs. It seems Chad and Tara, who are on their 2nd Grand Design have avoided the frame flex issue. Ever since Covid, the RVs have not lived up to quality standards.

[@DrBob64]

They make the majority of RV’s in northern Indiana because, the majority of RV parts suppliers and railroad lines are there. That is good for the manufacturers. The problem is that they are using the same flawed products and manufacturing processes and looking out for their bottom line. Without regulations to protect consumers and major consequences, they will continue this practice. As a resident of Indiana, I am frustrated and embarrassed that our state hasn’t done more about this problem. It affects the lives and livelihoods of thousands of people. I don’t want to see that taken away. I pray that they would be instrumental in protecting us and their families in a way that is good for everyone. We all enjoy camping and they need to make RV’s great again.

[@GrumpyTV12]

Sorry but I believe the RV manufacturers have their plants in Indiana because of the State and the protection this State affords the manufacturer. The parts suppliers will move to where ever the manufacturer is (I live in a city that manufacturers automobiles, parts suppliers come and go as needed). I have heard a lawyer say (does lemon law) that they use Indiana as a base because the courts favor them there more then other States would during "warranty " discrepancies. In fact, if I remember correctly if you bring a lawsuit against them it is required to be filed in Indiana, even if you lived in another State, purchased in another State and had never even stepped in the State of Indiana.

[@briankiefer856]

@@DrBob64 Indiana’s statutory scheme protects these businesses from harm and liability. That’s why the businesses are relocating to Indiana, as the laws are written by business for business.

[@patsydavis4921]

People who design these RVs do not use them. You can tell after you use them for a while. In our RVing life we have had six of them. Our first one was a Terry Taurus. It was used, but it was very well made. It was a 1971. Course it didn't have all the accessories. The one we have now is a Sporttrex. They claimed it was designed by campers, but that made me laugh.

[@teresahineman855]

Is there any legislation or lobbying going on to enforce standards on RV trailers?

[@WestsontheMove]

Nope

[@Michael-vi1kn]

That will be awesome to make these companies accountable. We need attorney generals to bring attention to to this And congress to pass regulations on this industry. Protect consumers

[@TheDionysius57]

I follow Liz Amazing on KZbin…she has become an advocate for the RV owners.

[@dawnstraughen755]

We have a Rockwood Roo that we have been battling leaks from the beginning! Now its delaminating. Made really cheap! Was supposed to be a fun getaway place for the family. Its a money pit! 😢

[@ez123ification]

The state of Indiana needs to change its laws regarding RV quality and safety.

[@gowest5145]

Stay safe. Can you evacuate for the hurricane? So sorry for the problems you are having with your RV. Anything you live in takes maintenance, that includes a house. We still live fulltime in our 1996 Teton. We don't move ours that much. We are putting skirting on our Teton now. We may put a roof over it or we might be looking into a mobile home.

[@EnjoyTheJourneyLife]

Thank you, yes, Cheri evacuated from Florida.

[@gowest5145]

Could you give us an update about on the hurricane?

[@stephenbeaver2035]

I bet when they made them. They did not believe this would happen. Now it is a problem they can’t fix financially. This may put them out of business. That is about the only change you will see.

[@gcslade]

My Montana had frame flex. However, I think the difference is Keystone worked with me to resolve the issue, whereas some other brands are in complete denial mode and leave customers to deal with it. My sense is all most all 5th wheel manufactures have some level of frame flex given almost frames are made by the same manufacturer. Sadly, the whole RV industry is being negatively affected by very poor frame and superstructure quality and horrific customer service by a few. Thanks for being truthful and not being like the other "loyal" GD owner / brand ambassadors that have lost all credibility in the real world RV community! Props to you both for just telling like it is.

[@AndiS-dz4pq]

We have a 2021 Winnebago micro mini, something is always leaking, since day one 😔

[@BSC_811]

I bought my imagine 2600RB because I was sold on the myth of Grand Design quality. I’m happy with the trailer but it is no better than any other trailer out there!

[@anitaschayot2726]

These things cost WAY too much to be created as basically junk. We're on our 3rd RV and I'm surprised that we haven't had some of these issues. We discovered MANY shortfalls in the Forest River travel trailer we got. Thankfully, my husband was able to correct them. Since then, Forest River has been on my DO NOT BUY list. We now have a 2009 Monaco Cayman that we absolutely love. In a couple of years, we wanted to get something else, but I'm afraid to do that. Someone needs to do something to make these manufacturers accountable. This is unacceptable!!! Someone mentioned that you might want to connect with Liz Amazing. She really has helped many people and she has posted lots of videos to shed light on the garbage that is being produced. One of the manufacturers actually sent her a Cease and Desist letter. She has become SO concerned for her safety that she had to get out of her motorhome and go into hiding in order to continue producing these videos. It is horrible that these manufacturers would actually prefer to take dark measures to cover up their garbage, rather than do the right thing. It is a SAD world that we live in. 😢

[@aaronchilds2568]

Our neighbors have a GD they can't use their toilet . Something is wrong with vent system and the gas smell goes into the trailer. So for 3 years they have to go to the bathroom at the RV park restroom. They have had multiple RV techs look at it but can't fix it without pulling the trailer apart.