Rwanda plan is aimed at the ‘politically illiterate’ claims Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu | LBC debate

The number of migrants who have arrived in the UK so far in 2024 after crossing the Channel has reached a new record high for the first three months of a calendar year.
The figures come after Rishi Sunak continued to insist his plan to "stop the boats" was working even though crossings in 2024 were tracking ahead of recent years.
In last night's Cross Question, Iain Dale's panel debated the plan to send migrants to Rwanda. It's fair to say they didn't all agree...
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[@kanedNunable]

"politically illiterate" i.e. tory voters.

[@michaelcoward1902]

And reform voters

[@lewisg7614]

And brexshters...

[@guardian100]

And labour.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​@@guardian100 seen as every single Labour policy is scrutinised with a fine tooth comb and even then l ied about. They cannot be politically illiterate or they wouldn't have 1 seat. Whereas the tories mollycoddled and are treated like ch ildren they can say whatever and they will not get challenged 95% of the time.

[@catherinemartin6258]

@@michaelcoward1902definitely reform too 👊

[@easterneye2773]

“politically illiterate" = Brexit, Reform, Tory voters and Tommy Robinson supporters.. hi guys 🙋🏼‍♂️🙎🏼‍♂️

[@famnd460]

😂😂😂🎉🎉

[@user-gf5qm9no8q]

AND labour. all in same illiterate boat.

[@chatham43]

@eastern And we certainly don't want the political illiterate returning to Labour that's for sure!!

[@danielryan570]

"Politically illiterate" = a majority of people the liberal elites repeatedly refuse to listen too and instead choose to smear, as what lines their pockets is best for the country. And being brainwashed to peddle their message to claim some moral superiorty is just dumb

[@MaxMisterC]

@@user-gf5qm9no8q Actually, I'm impressed that you could spell Labour.. 🤣 Well Done You!

[@roboldx9171]

The reason the Rwanda policy is not working is because it is wrong. Spot on.

[@Snookbone]

What is Rewanda?

[@famnd460]

​@Snookbone oh please, English teacher, this is not the time.

[@chatham43]

@robold Have the courtesy to spell that country correctly...or do you hate it so much!

[@dapfordvondappington8306]

@@Snookbone An obvious typo that you jumped on because you do not have a credible response to the original post.

[@roboldx9171]

@@chatham43 You know what I'm talking about, and that's all that is important. btw, thank you for bringing the typo to my attention. Is there any other hair-splitting issue you would like to point in my direction, grammar maybe?

[@robertcreighton4635]

Tories couldn't organise a massacre in a chainsaw factory

[@MrPiccolop]

You saying you could? With your matey mctraities?

[@robertcreighton4635]

@@MrPiccolop who is that?

[@Arinbjorn1989]

I definitely could. ​@@MrPiccolop

[@MrPiccolop]

@@Arinbjorn1989 we could work together maybe? 🤔

[@PLl-jr8xi]

😂😂

[@csharpe5787]

I can’t believe people seriously think the Rwanda will make any difference at all. What made a difference was Schengen. And that was lost by the Tories too, giving a ridiculous vote all to appease the party .As usual party over country!

[@RD-wg9em]

Schengen and a functional asylum system. Even now if they processed claims properly and in a timely fashion this would be a non issue. Policies like this only help traffickers by deterring people from going to authorities

[@johnrussell3961]

They can take 500 a year. Than means it will take 200 years to clear the asylum backlog. It’s nothing but a very expensive gesture. In the mean time the queue remains here in expensive hotels. That’s because they cut the processing budget, and the queue burst out of Labours asylum hostels and had to go somewhere.

[@mogznwaz]

We were never in Schengen 🙄

[@keysiblaze]

No it just takes enforcement. Not activists engaging illegal activities

[@johnrussell3961]

@@keysiblaze . You cannot enforce the impractical. Asylum seekers will have told those manning border force boats they want asylum. Once heard, it cannot be unheard,

[@andyt2k]

Politically illiterate isn't insulting it's completely true, you see interviews with these people, they have NO IDEA what they're talking about

[@chatham43]

@andy And we don't want any of them returning to Labour. They've made their bed!

[@socillizt4life]

Correct. The small boats issue was literally created by the Torys when they got into power & shut down all the safe routes to claim asylum in the UK. There was ZERO small boats crossing the channel until the Torys shut down the safe routes & you don’t deal with illegal human trafficking, by means of literally ILLEGALLY HUMAN TRAFFICKING PEOPLES TO RWANDA, WHILE BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW. It’s immoral,inhumane,absolutely useless,as sending 200 people a year is absolutely pointless & costs an absolute fortune. It’s the most ridiculous political policy of my 40+ years following UK politics & trust me, that’s some achievement!

[@rogernichols1124]

I had friends and family members who would have passed for intelligent until Brexit sorted them out and put them in the camp of the xenophobes and yes, politically illiterate. A gut reaction to life may feel right but you have to have a cool, clear head to make sensible and logical decisions. I'm hoping I can still find something redeemable in those family members and friends who fell for all the nonsense of Brexit but it was so important that I'm struggling to build bridges.

[@lutherblissett8780]

@@rogernichols1124 what logical decisions would you make in the face of masses of undocumented people rocking up in boats?

[@dwdei8815]

Imagine being so reduced as a human being, so damaged, so compromised, that you say you believe Sunak was right to pursue the Rwanda policy! That woman in grey fluff just gabbled crapwash. What a contrast when the other person was invited into the conversation - she had the integrity and freedom to speak honestly like someone who is decent and in control of their own mind.

[@MrWhitmen1981]

Yeah help people smuggling and organised crime. No wonder no one trusts labour or the left.

[@chatham43]

@dwd By honestly you mean she shared your views. Right?

[@demeterontheinternet]

@@chatham43When it’s speaking from our lived experiences, it is a form of honesty and truth. A lot of us have lived through these experiences, and have seen this done to people we love and are in community with.

[@lutherblissett8780]

If you mean Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, then I think you should re-examine the meaning behind the word "integrity".

[@khaltsharivist365]

The Rwanda scheme is no deterrent, it’s a hugely expensive smoke and mirrors game. When the Rwanda scheme can process 100-500 asylum seekers per year… on Wednesday alone, over 500 people crossed the English Channel via small boats. The suitable solution would be swallowing pride and working with EU countries and revising U.K. foreign policy including lopsided foreign trade policies.

[@fricozoid1]

Be careful with that. You know not a single word can be trusted from this Government. It’s completely irrelevant and misleading to state the number of people that can be “processed” in Rwanda. The number of people they can and ever will host indefinitely is 200. The number they have potential to process means diddly squat.

[@kanedNunable]

shes blaming house of lords when there are far more tories in HOL than any other party.

[@johnrussell3961]

The Lords are doing their job. Revising a very bad piece of legislation that wastes money and ignores the courts..

[@markbullen5989]

Word!

[@Ajalemes]

they always insist there is a labour majority in the house of lords, there couldn't be a more blatant lie... and also the lords are doing what they were meant to do. an unelected chamber is the only thing keeping this government somewhat in check.

[@johnrussell3961]

@@Ajalemes. The Lords are breaking a convention in passing amendments in the 4th reading. They are doing that because the Tories ignored the convention of respecting the courts.. When the courts say a bill is illegal, it should be dropped!

[@Ajalemes]

@@johnrussell3961 that's for the commons to drop, the lords can only revise bills. and there's no way they're dropping the only card they have left

[@Crouchy232323]

She's right.

[@jeffsimon9594]

She's hard left

[@ColinUTD]

@@jeffsimon9594and yet she's right about this ?

[@tariqjoseph3562]

@@jeffsimon9594‘politically illiterate’ (you) 🤡🤦‍♂️

[@demeterontheinternet]

@@jeffsimon9594Are we hard left or soft little snowflakes? I can’t keep up at my old age 😉

[@jeffsimon9594]

@@demeterontheinternet Oh the triggering three little words can cause 😥 must've touched a nerve..

[@julianshepherd2038]

It wont work. People can leave Rwanda.

[@johnrussell3961]

It’s so safe they can legitimately claim asylum from living there.,

[@roboldx9171]

They will leave Rwanda.

[@michaelathanasiou2030]

They will leave Rwanda ( they won't come here for fear of paying another £5,000 ) that's why the people send to Rwanda will be unlimited--simply genius by Suank

[@roboldx9171]

​@@michaelathanasiou2030 Dream on.

[@khaltsharivist365]

@@johnrussell3961U.K. has plenty Rwandese asylum seekers.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

14:26 the fact Ian Dale didn't let an expert on the topic talk is unbelievable it is obvious that what the women in green said was at most a misrepresentation or at worse a fabricated l ie. But people won't know that because he cut off the expert and let the person from a shady think tank spout off.

[@b0sH]

Yeah I mean how dare he.... present a radio show and need to go to a break........

[@Ajalemes]

what a surprise from a Tory

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​@@b0sH they didn't go to a break they had 20 seconds or so.

[@b0sH]

@@Alex-cw3rz Which literally isn't enough time to properly respond in. There has to be a cut off else the lady in green would want to respond to the response ad infinitum.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@b0sH yes it is and if they couldn't she could explain to the audience a location where to find the information. The lady in green is not an expert and was shown to be out of her depth and from a dark money think tank, why she was on the show in the first place is an issue in of itself.

[@johng.1703]

when you aren't processing many if any asylum claims are just stacking people up so that you can point to the numbers that are stacked up is a bit of an expensive con. that is all it is. do you know what would be a real deterrent? processing that claims as fast as possible and shipping out those that fail on their claims. have enough staffed courts to deal with any legal issues as fast as possible. that would be a much bigger deterrent AND it would be far cheaper than this Rwanda scam.

[@chatham43]

@John....quicker you process the more will come. they don't want to be stuck in hotels...they want to work...and those that fail...where do you send them to?....no documentation!...so back to the drawing board matey!

[@johng.1703]

@@chatham43 the thing is, those that fail an asylum claim can legally be deported back to their country or origin. which they have to state as part of an asylum claim. having them sat here for years waiting on an asylum claim means that they can work cash in hand or double up on things like uber / uber eats / delivery driver etc. either way we wouldn't be paying out hundreds of millions in hotel bills housing them all if we processed the claims in a reasonable amount of time. the people coming here really don't know that this Tory government plan is to rack pack and stack them for years to moan about the numbers and the cost. some of the places these people are coming from being fed, housed, given money, etc, is going to be super attractive. it's like a 2 year vacation for them. and the Rwanda plan, what a joke, how is that a deterrent? people coming here to claim asylum won't know about it. and it will cost millions of pounds each. it would be cheaper to give then £50,000 each if they agreed to never claim asylum in the UK ever again and this would more than likely work way better and way cheaper than the governments current Rwanda plan.

[@Human_Herbivore]

She is relying on the politically illiterate thinking that people arriving here, by boat or any means is illegal. It is not illegal to arrive in the UK either for asylum or looking for a better life economically.

[@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701]

'illegal' immigration

[@Human_Herbivore]

@@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 that's only a thing if somebody has been refused a permit to stay and absconded or outstayed their visa. Unfortunately, this tory clownshow has slowed down processing arrivals so much that most people have not been processed. That though is a deliberate ploy because it winds up the politically illiterate.

[@davidatkinson5858]

It's completely illegal to enter the UK by circumventing legal channels...that's why it's called illegal immigration....Why should the British taxpayer be financially responsible for people looking for a "better life economically" at the expense of the the system they've never paid a single penny towards and have no intention of doing so?What benefit do they get from it?

[@tonybrett5209]

​@@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701no such thing. Illegal entry is one thing immigration is another.

[@demeterontheinternet]

@@tonybrett5209What are the available legal routes? Currently, can I enter legally to make my asylum application from any country?

[@cowbanchalam9725]

what is the alternative to 'the boats'? Isn't the uk government facilitating the boats because people don't have an alternative?

[@johnrussell3961]

Most asylum seekers arrive by safe means. They fly in using a ticket, with passports, and towing luggage . The declare the want asylum at passport check.

[@partyringsparty]

Did you watch the video?

[@PlatformNo14]

​@@johnrussell3961 You think everyone fleeing wartorn countries, or oppression, have a passport?

[@fricozoid1]

@@johnrussell3961sounds like they’ve got a pretty chill life that they’re running from if they’re to book a flight ahead of time, able to pack their bags and grab their passport too. Surely those coming on a boat with absolutely nothing a more deserving of help.

[@johnrussell3961]

@@fricozoid1 . The Tories want to deny those who come via unsafe routes the same thing. .

[@gerhardaigner5108]

Sunak got himself into a dead end road. There is a small number of asylum seekers who are to be sent back. And there are more than 10 times the amount of legal immigrants coming every year. So the Rwanda scheme is nonsense.

[@SodaQuasar]

I dunno. It could still be worth it.. IF Rishi Sunak is part of the people that gonna be sent away to Rwanda forever

[@m25localsprojects21]

Dr Shola is absolutely right, Tories always use Immigration issues near the election, that issue always bring some vote from politically illiterates.

[@dirtycor]

The hoops they jump through to avoid saying "it was worded to catch the attention of the ignorant idiots". Calling them "politically illiterate" is very very kind! 😁

[@denisebrown4735]

Well said

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The rwanada policy was for 200 asylum seekers, so lets for someone reason pretend taliban tv talks about the rwanada policy all the time, do you genuinely think that would stop translators who worked for the british army fleeing with their family to the safety of the country they worked for?

[@johnrussell3961]

The Tories are now trying to claim Afghanistan is safe under the Taliban. The lie to avoid their responsibilities,

[@markbright662]

A large amount of the population are legitimately concerned about migration but a larger proportion are politically illiterate which is why we have governments that clearly have no interest in the populace, because the populace can’t vote in their own interest

[@lizardtattoo1]

Tories - "how dare u say the Brits are politically illiterate!" Tories - "keep the plebs politically illiterate!"

[@whatever133701]

makes it easyer to lie to the plebs.

[@catherinemartin6258]

It’s been a shocker with every Tory prime minister since 2010

[@tonybrett5209]

If Rwanda (and UK companies )are going to profit from sending Asylum Seekers there, isnt that Human Trafficking?

[@appalingbehaviour]

Albanians have been deterred by an agreement to return all of them to Albania. The Rwanda policy, if it is implemented, will only potentially deport a very very small number of asylum seekers. If a vulnerable and desperate asylum seeker has only a 1% chance of being sent to Rwanda, I imagine they will keep trying to cross the channel and thus the Rwanda policy will not be the effective deterrent which Sunak & co claim. It's a complete waste of money and shirk of responsibility.

[@chatham43]

@appal But if it proved to be an effective deterrent you would support it?

[@royboy565]

​@@chatham43You do know what the word "deterrent" means don't you?

[@appalingbehaviour]

@@chatham43 no I wouldn't

[@chatham43]

@appal Then why didn't you just make that clear at the beginning....and save us all the waffle!

[@appalingbehaviour]

@@chatham43 providing unreasoned opinions is a nasty habit. Better to provide reasons than end opinion, because without reasons, opinions are baseless and understanding between parties becomes difficult.

[@trivialgravitas9581]

That Dr. Shola should be deported

[@keithpanton]

I hope you never disagree with the government, say, over ULEZ or something, or they might come for you.

[@kanedNunable]

is this michael gove in his weekend outfit? michaela gove?

[@nickd.6365]

😂🤣

[@dom9882]

Haha! I thought exactly the same. Michaela Gove.

[@verystripeyzebra]

As we are a fully signed up member of UNHCR, we have agreed to process any claim for asylum made by anyone on our territory, irrespective of their method of arrival. Beyond that we have full control as to who we allow into the country. But we cannot, unilaterally change international law.

[@johnrussell3961]

Recent court judgments used the wording of the UN charters. The Tories are gaslighting when they blame the ECHR. They have their own nasty reasons for leaving that.

[@verystripeyzebra]

@@johnrussell3961 that's why I referenced UNHCR not ECHR.

[@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533]

It's not fit for purpose though in the modern world, which is why a new statue law has been made (the Illegal Migration Act 2023). When ECHR wrote this policy up it was never envisaged that 400 people a day would be coming from other continents for economic reasons and claiming asylum.

[@royboy565]

​@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533Until you process the asylum claims you don't know the reasons for 400 or more people coming over, unless you can read minds.

[@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533]

@@royboy565 Therein lies the problem, you need mind readers to quickly and accurately evaluate 400 people's right to asylum.

[@arthurkjr]

"Don't call the politically illiterate politically illiterate! I have glasses, I must be smart!"

[@pallascat1743]

It is performative cruelty to satisfy the basest desire of some who would rather hurt a minority group over voting for a party with policies that would lift themselves up..

[@user-hv7kt9zc3m]

Only 300 will ever go to Rwanda so what has he done more than that cross in 1 day he's done nothing

[@chatham43]

@user So if it was say 3000 you would support it?

[@royboy565]

​@@chatham43He must have deleted the part where he said he would support a higher figure. I think the message he is trying to get across is it's a ridiculous policy.

[@chatham43]

@royboy And failed miserably.. He made it a question of numbers...not policy..but I think you know that.

[@royboy565]

​@@chatham43Not really. Study the policy. It can only send between 3 and 500 a year so he was making a point about policy, but you know that.

[@django3422]

​@@chatham43The numbers ARE the policy. I don't think you've realised that. Oh, there's the 1-for-1 exchange element to factor in as well.

[@user-dr7by9dx8l]

Yes but sadly they vote in their droves.

[@anibrown5374]

Before Dr Shola puts in her plans you need to actually ask the tax payers of this country expected to fund relocation and better life opportunities for the world's poor and dispossessed.

[@lutherblissett8780]

None of these leftist automatons want to do that.

[@DronescapingBritain]

Poverty and homeless kids should be the top priority of a benign government.

[@keithpanton]

We really ought to try voting for one, sadly, most Brits put misdirected hatred and anger as their reason to vote. But fortunately, it's not working so well, so there's some hope.

[@MaxMisterC]

CALLING people "politically illiterate" is offensive! Actually, BEING politically illiterate is just, the reality of describing many Tory voters!

[@tariqjoseph3562]

The fact they’ve played a huge role in the ruin of this country is the biggest offence in modern British history

[@royboy565]

​@@tariqjoseph3562FPP is the reason for this. If we had P R the tories would possibly never be in power again.

[@chatham43]

@tariq And that's why you left this country in disgust..and I respect you for that!

[@tariqjoseph3562]

@@chatham43 that and had the opportunity to move. Unfortunately many don’t.

[@lutherblissett8780]

@@tariqjoseph3562 Was a bit silly of them to have come here in the first place then. wasn't it?

[@pauldickson7217]

Want to stop the boats? Reopen the centres where people can apply to go to the UK, or do you have shares in the boats?

[@khaltsharivist365]

Was Rwanda plan in the manifesto? Why create new priorities without a mandate? In any event Rwanda is about 9 times smaller than United Kingdom in land area. United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, while Rwanda is approximately 26,338 sq km, making Rwanda 10.81% the size of United Kingdom. Rwanda population density 525 per Km2 vs United Kingdom population density 281 per Km2. In 2022 Rwanda GDP = USD13 Billion / U.K. GDP = USD3 Trillion Rwanda GDP per capita USD958 /U.K. USD45k. The irony is U.K. given it’s colonial past and it’s meddling foreign policy takes in far less refugees than its peers in Europe. Data shows that the UK ranks 16th when compared with the 27 EU countries for the number of asylum claims granted.

[@denisebrown4735]

Not letting the expert come back to anwser total misrepresentation of her argument about politically ignorant' showed Ian Dugdale is completely biased.

[@rayglenister9799]

Rightly or wrongly, 'STOP THE BOATS' worked in Australia. From 2012, 'Boat people' arrivals were sent to Detention Centres for processing in Papua New Guinea (untill 2021) and Naru to distinguish between economic and political refugees. Many languished there for years. and still 125 still remain. 2013 saw some 14 000 Boat People arrivals. This figure fell dramatically and today Boat People arrivals rarely, or never occur.

[@johnrussell3961]

The Australian Navy patrolled international waters north of Papua New Guinea., That made Papua New Guinea the nearest safe haven. That cannot be replicated in the channel. Once they are in UK waters, the UK is the nearest safe haven..

[@fricozoid1]

So how on earth is that relevant to a scheme where we can export a maximum of 200 people? Ever?

[@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701]

@@johnrussell3961 no the nearest safe haven is france. just patrol the border and inform people they cant pass. because thats how a border works. send them to uganda for processing/ deport them there. uganda took in 1m refugees recently. just pay them the amount it costs us a year 5bn or whatever and uganda will take them. that more than 10% of their gdp

[@rayglenister9799]

@@fricozoid1 Its relevant only to state that the current UK Rwanda scheme won't work. For it to work (aside from legalities) ALL boat people that enter and attempt to enter the UK for a better life will be sent/transferred to offshore detention and processing centers and NOT allowed to return to the UK. (that would have applied to some 30 000 people last year). That is the basic tenet of this deterrent policy that Australia has illegally adopted and one that the UK Government would like to. I don't advocate this policy despite the problem the UK faces with its inflow of refugees.

[@FreaksSpeaks]

Condescending "dr", i bet her "research" is as valuables as anything from a poundland.😂

[@jpross68]

Any government which allows people to die in small boats is complicit in their deaths. They can easily stop the boats. Allow people to apply for asylum in Calais and bring them to to the UK safely for processing using the tunnel or ferries. They could further reduce the risk to their life when attempting to travel to the UK by creating asylum application and processing centres in or near countries where successful asylum seekers typically originate from.

[@royboy565]

But if the tories did that they wouldn't have this absurd Rwanda gimmick as a distraction.

[@suzy7726]

Why not stay in France no war there why come here we are full

[@markbullen5989]

What happened to judge me by the end of 2023.

[@heyhonpuds]

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

[@JJG1888]

who does iain dale think he is in that first clip

[@chatham43]

@JJG He's just thinking he's not you!😀😀

[@fordgtbangout]

Tell 'em

[@lutherblissett8780]

I point and laugh at you,

[@danmayberry1185]

Most are politically illiterate, given a high enough bar. This underlies the pitfalls of a referendum, and the dangers of identity politics. Representation is a contract built on trust, and here we encounter a snag.

[@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533]

Remoaning again.

[@Jonnyonthespot123]

​@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533Yes because Brexit has been such a massive success! (that's sarcasm, bet you can't name a genuine benefit can you?)

[@danmayberry1185]

@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 I wasn't thinking of Brexit, tbh, but have fun with slogans if you like.

[@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533]

@@Jonnyonthespot123 I voted to remain, after being on the fence.

[@fricozoid1]

@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533of course you did petal, that why you threw around insults to people who voted remain even to this day. Is it a requirement for Tories to be completed liars these days?

[@royboy565]

Rwanda policy is just another distraction in a long list of distractions. The tories have broken UK in just about every way possible and "look over there" tactics is all they have left.

[@Max88-xl2si]

Not to the politically illiterate, but to the illiterate altogether. Especially hard tories and reform voters

[@macred]

Politically illiterate ...👏👏👏👏👍

[@jonathanfell688]

It's aimed at The National Front rebounded as Reform Ltd.

[@chatham43]

@jon And even if that's a load of baloney...it shouldn't be!

[@reginaldamoah8608]

Why not just have processing centres in the first safe country paid for by each country, then agree the numbers each European country will take for those who are genuine. Then when the limit has been reached negotiate with countries outside Europe who can take the additional people. If the cost is shared with other European countries it brings the cost down. That cuts out the traffickers. Shola is correct though if you treat white people fleeing conflict differently then it looks like racism. It should be possible to deal with this issue without demonising people.

[@east-saxon]

I agree with her.

[@stumpali]

Coddling the politically illiterate so you can lie to them is also quite problematic.

[@stephennicol-rj5vl]

The people that don’t agree with the comment politically illiterate are on that panel

[@Nexus804]

Ian calling off Shola's answer at the end there is one of the contributions to the political illiteracy of our media discussion. Ian knows there is a difference in negotiating a returns agreement with the country of orgin, where it is determined that the country of origin is safe for those individuals to be returned, and agreeing to ship off 200 people to a third country that has a history of violence against refugees. 200 is 0.45% of annual recorded channel crossings. The people in the boats get in with a similar chance of death at sea. I'd rather go to R wanda then drown in the channel.

[@user-dy9fi5lc4q]

We may not have a grasp on all things political, as we ve much important things on our minds ,but there's no doubt that we all know we're being played for fools by the political giants out there, and given the state of the country at the moment.....wots their excuse???

[@jimmytse2205]

Are we suppose to support any plan, no matter how poorly conceived by the government,? Plus hasn't the Tory party have the majority in both Houses. How on earth the government can get it through?

[@rayglenister9799]

No, don't support anything you consider is not right.

[@denisburgess2966]

Dr Shola is politically illiterate.

[@sb8163]

British interference destabilising the country never crosses the mind of the commenters who complain about the Irish in Britain. It's why they have free movement to Britain since independence, because they used to be the cheap labour source from a poor country: the English people signed petitions in their thousands to end the union with Ireland in the 1830s to stop the "influx" of poor Irish workers into their towns and cities

[@Broomfondle1]

When Sunak finally realised he couldn't meet his pleadges he constantly tried to move the goal posts. It's nice to see the majority demanded he stuck to his pledges and do or go!

[@tomknight7015]

If and a BIG IF Sunak gets a plane off the ground with 20-50 people on board to Rwanda he (Sunak) will stand in front of the camera saying yes it’s working now … but the tabloids will show pictures of multiple boats landing on our shores the same day 😡🤬🤬🤬

[@dub604]

Most Tory policies are directed at the politically illiterate, that's a large audience in the UK... No shortage of listeners. 😂😂

[@SodaQuasar]

I dunno, it could still be worth a shot...IF Rishi Sunak is part of the people we gonna sent to Rwanda forever

[@theshadow5800]

LBC - Leading British Conversation as in being at the forefront or as in deciding what the conversation should be and directing everything and everyone towards that end? I hope for the former but unfortunately all too often observe the latter

[@tomvandersteen5880]

I liked it when she accidentally said “we” and the had to correct herself and say “I mean.. the government..” 😂 when you accidentally let your allegiances slip!

[@KaleemCerie]

Shola was amazing 🎉

[@lutherblissett8780]

lol

[@user-mp7nl7nn2c]

Stopping the boats isn't an issue, sending people to Rwanda is an issue. It can only be a deterrent if they don't like it in Rwanda and who knows what the Rwandans will do to make sure they don't. There is money in it for them. The criminal gangs are in France not Rwanda.

[@royboy565]

Using a third country can only be a deterrent if tens of thousands can go there. Even then you have to ask yourself why if people are prepared to risk death in a small boat crossing a channel, why would a small chance of being sent to another country deter them.

[@django3422]

​@@royboy565I'd imagine, as dangerous as it is, trying to reach the UK is probably a lot easier than trying to reach Rwanda. So... are we just establishing a convenient ferry system?

[@aBOOBaMUSIC]

🤣😂 - still hilarious people think politicians who have NEVER created / run a successful business can solve real life problems

[@royboy565]

Running a country is nothing like running a business. Give your head a shake!

[@BJamnes29]

We have heard Ukraine is the largest country, but in Africa it won't be amongst those considered as large.

[@Snookbone]

What's wrong with Rwanda?

[@johnrussell3961]

It’s so safe it’s a legitimate place to want asylum from!

[@django3422]

The question should be "what's wrong with the Rwanda plan?". I'd say the 1-for-1 exchange is a pretty critical flaw for a measure being sold as a fix for the strain on our infrastructure.

[@fricozoid1]

It costs more per asylum seeker to host them there than in the UK. And it’s for a maximum of 200 people. It’s a waste of money and most likely another con to funnel our money in Tory cronies pockets.

[@msa-tt4bg]

It's too close to the UK.

[@rayglenister9799]

Now where to begin?

[@upyerkilt9125]

is that Anne Whittingham? lol

[@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT]

Who are all these people?

[@kazzas3446]

Don’t always agree with Shoala but on this she’s right.

[@chatham43]

@kazz You share her opinion you mean.

[@LisaPhillips4494]

Shola was just wonderful & articulate to explain a complicated issue. Migration happens around the World each day. Stop playing Politics with people

[@lutherblissett8780]

You see, when your need for self-destruction affects the rest of us, we have a problem.

[@ronniedodge3299]

Dr shola wants us to be a hotel country

[@nadpor68]

Non stop blah blah and no actual action to make it very clear people cannot enter on boats otherwise THEY'LL BE SENT RIGHT BACK TO FRANCE

[@paulsheridan7408]

Rwanda can only take 300 people! Lunacy 😂😂😂

[@pyroyergen5986]

You cant say anything anymore, i remember when you could call somebody politically illiterate. 😂

[@TheAdio26]

Haven't seen Ann Robinson in public for years

[@chatham43]

@the....it's not her...you are the weakest link!😀😀😀

[@TheAdio26]

Reminder to myself not to attempt jokes in comments

[@user-lx5rt7lo4j]

The lady in green 😂

[@macred]

The house of lords has a majority of Tory peers does it not?

[@royboy565]

No it doesn't. Rest of the Lords well outnumber the tory peers.

[@emmajk7433]

Dr Shola is right.

[@5hineepropertyofleetaemin]

Politically illiterate was very true 😂

[@tajj7]

Safe routes, processing centre in France, ability to process asylum applications in other countries and generally working asylum system that processed claims quickly and efficiently. Deport those that don't have a claim, no issues with that. This was a non-issue under Labour because we had safe routes and a working asylum system. The Tories have literally engineered this problem, they have created a backlog, they have closed safe routes, they are using these people as political pawns, as distractions for the other messes they have caused. Immigration is not actually a priority issue either for most of the country, last time I looked it was around 4th or 5th, and those numbers are artificially inflated by our biased media that drives it as perceived problem because it suits the propaganda of the Tories to be a problem. Immigration is not causing the NHS issues, our schools to crumble, the cost of living crisis etc. it simply isn't, certainly 40-50k people on small boats are not (around 30% we can deport). It's all one big Tory lie generated to distract and divide. Luckily from the polls most people aren't buying it.

[@petercole3459]

OMG! shola talking a bit of sense for once

[@waynegodwin426]

The decision should be made by the majority not minoritys

[@johnrussell3961]

Decisions cannot made which are at odds with our international obligations. Thats not democraticy. It’s mob rule.

[@Jonnyonthespot123]

So why are the 1% in charge of the media, the government and most of the money? Stop punching down and start looking up! Who put these ideas in your head and why? Think man think!

[@demeterontheinternet]

Let Dr Shola speak, please.

[@user-tz8tg5xy6p]

Dr Shola is right 😊

[@gargomelbogle2700]

Exactly

[@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701]

i honestly dont understand why we dont just stop them at the border (halfway between the uk and france). in terms of sending illegal immigrants somewhere- uganda took in 1m recently. why dont we just give them the amount we spent a year 5bn+ (which is more than 10% of their whole gdp), and send them there. pay off a few corrupt officials. problem solved

[@django3422]

I'm not sure openly breaking international law by bribing people is gonna help us. Also... do you know where the halfway point between Britain and France is?

[@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701]

@@django3422 i m certain it will because thats how politics works. its not necessary though. 5bn in more than 10% of uganda's gdp, they'd do anything we ask for that much. halfway is across the english channel

[@django3422]

@@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 If that's how politics worked, our government would already be sending people to Rwanda. And you're welcome to find yourself a boat and attempt to stop channel crossings. I'm sure you'll find that a really easy task, especially on a choppy day.

[@davidbuxton7921]

The boat crossings have increased , it's the weather is getting better . The plan will not deter one person they are desperate .

[@johnrussell3961]

I doubt the smugglers hand out copies of the Daily Express, so they have no idea the plan exists. The Tories have no idea how deterrence works.

[@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207]

Exactly. Even if they were aware of it I just don't see how anything could be a deterrent when people are already risking death...

[@lutherblissett8780]

Yeah, those hand outs certainly make one a lot more cavalier than usual.

[@nancy83007]

Thank you Dr. shola for explaining the situation easy.

[@suzy7726]

We are full!! No more

[@christopher-ke9nj]

I open an office in Calais, spot on doc

[@lutherblissett8780]

lol

[@jmillar71110]

Dr Shola is bang on the money 👌

[@enbym1793]

She’s right.

[@chrishobson6431]

This is the first time I've agreed with her

[@shayleuk]

I often wonder where all these people that worry about illegal immigration are? Certainly not in my life. More people worrying about getting a doctors appointment or how they are gonna pay bills.

[@royboy565]

It's just the tories using distraction tactics. Immigration is 3rd or 4th in most polls as a concern for voters.

[@django3422]

The closest I've come to having someone in my life expressing concern about immigration was my warehouse supervisor saying he wished our government would process immigrants properly and provide them medical checks to avoid them bringing illnesses previously eradicated in this country.

[@BonVoyage861]

I would guess you around White liberals and non-whites. Two groups I avoid in Europe..

[@lutherblissett8780]

@@BonVoyage861 You are wise to do so.

[@lutherblissett8780]

Yeah, because those Doctors appointments aren't affected by a country taking in more people than its infrastructure can cope with. Keep wondering lad...keep wondering.

[@nasahmed5989]

Well done Dr Shola 👍

[@si8568]

260 000 indians have come to the uk taking british jobs in 2024 and our prime minister allowed this.. why??

[@paulfenton7776]

Which jobs are they then?

[@partyringsparty]

Not sure where you've pulled that number from (I can guess 💩), but if it were true the grown up answer would be: because they can legally. Living in Gaza might be more up your street, they don't let anyone in.

[@si8568]

@partyringsparty taking brother jobs is my issue. Demanding we celebrate holi and dealing in trafalgar square is my issue. No other prime minister allowed this.

[@si8568]

@@partyringsparty gov website

[@royboy565]

​@@si8568This is the UK not Russia.

[@davidcrawford1616]

That arab can be offended ss she wants qs long as she clesrs off to Gaza and stays there

[@patrickchilds2987]

You mean British born Dr Shola Mos Shogbamimu who is not an Arab but as British as you are ?

[@paulmitchell3131]

This Black woman only shouts she offers nothing to any of these situations it’s all feelings over facts in every debate that she’s involved in

[@paulfenton7776]

I dont think you were listening. Try again.

[@royboy565]

​@@paulfenton7776People don't want to listen unless it's their narrative.

[@Jake-jr2zh]

@paul , are you deaf ?

[@paulfenton7776]

@@Jake-jr2zh yes, deaf to ignorance.

[@fricozoid1]

She does shout but she’s clearly correct about your political illiteracy 😂😂😂

[@markedwards9247]

I find it particularly insensitive of LBC to host a programme talking about the deep concerns of Britons regarding immigration, to have a contributor who is clearly a product of immigration. When we have a problem with terrorism, we don't actually have terrorists welcomed to talk shows to discuss where we are going wrong !

[@django3422]

But they'll have a Tory party representative. And that doesn't jarr with your logic at all?

[@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533]

​@@django3422I don't understand the point.

[@django3422]

@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 It's pretty simple. The current immigration issue is a product of Tory policy, just like acts of terrorism is a product of terrorist actions.

[@fricozoid1]

@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533isn’t this the most “diverse UK government ever”. Are you saying they should have Tory MPs on just as long as they are not a product of immigration then? Sounds like you want to segregate people based on their characteristics right?

[@fricozoid1]

When we have problems with the NHS, we don’t have doctors, nurses or other experts on to discuss where we are going wrong