RWBY Ice Queendom Podcast FT: Celtic Phoenix

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Join me and special guest; Celtic Phoenix, as we discuss Ice Queendom now that the whole thing is finally done! (Expect for the English dub, bit I think everyone's just kind of done with discussing Ice Queendom by now.)

[@ebensennett3095]

The two of you collaborating is really neat to see, never thought your little animal things sitting next to each other. Its pretty neat, like pokémon meets digimon!

[@brayenmorrison3199]

13:35 I wanna draw that now. Miles, Eddy and Kerry in ninja suits. Miles and Eddy taking out Raymond and Kerry sneaking behind Critter.

[@brayenmorrison3199]

By the way i'm kind of listening to the podcast in parts. Sorry. I do that when listening to podcast because my ADHD. I get distracted sometimes... sorry.

[@olivierluisin1790]

@@brayenmorrison3199 to be fair, It IS a long video with MANY points. Don't need to be sorry

[@DemonicRemption]

@@brayenmorrison3199 I don't blame you, I'm listening to it in parts too because it's background noise while I'm working on an animated short. And I've spent 20 minutes a day on this short at most, because it's always before I go to work. So yeah I'm listening to it in parts too. You're in good company.

[@MasquedJustice]

@@brayenmorrison3199why are you apologizing for watching a video how you wanna watch a video

[@stefanmaart]

What I loved a lot about Ice Queendom is the fact they showed what Weiss and her glyphs were capable off. Weiss was using dust, glyphs and her rapier in succession and not just summoning and we need to get back to that.

[@silvereyes242]

Celtic is one of my favourite RWBY critics. He establishes a beautiful balance between being positive and negative feedback, giving the show its well earned praise as well as its spankings when required. Love to see you two work together.

[@friktogurg9242]

He mentioned Tow Ubukata sucking

[@olivierluisin1790]

@@friktogurg9242 Is that bad?

[@friktogurg9242]

@@olivierluisin1790 Yes.

[@olivierluisin1790]

@@friktogurg9242 Can you explain why it is bad to say it is bad that Tow Ubukata suck? The lack of precision about why?

[@Kaito_Fox555]

"maybe Blake has some violent tendencies that we don't know about?" Me: flashbacks to all the times Blake slapped and abused Sun when he was simply trying to be there for her.

[@clauliz5502]

What surprised me the most during this discussion is that they watched Home Improvement

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

I remember growing up Home Improvement was on right after Pokemon. :)

[@friktogurg9242]

@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 If there is a second season, Tow Ubukata can fuck off

[@linked2dio26]

@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 do yall remember Full House if you woke up early enough in the morning to watch Nickelodeon when Nick At Nite was still on?

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

@@linked2dio26 I remember waking up early enough to see "Boy meets world"! Another really good classic!

[@rexlumontad5644]

Palpatine: "An unexpected surprise but a welcome one."

[@zaidanhakim4974]

I anticipate it so bad, ryan did announce he will do a podcast with critter

[@omegalettexyphonophore3111]

Ironic, RWBY can inspire so much good stories and artwork, but not inspire itself....

[@ninetailedsamurai3536]

2:06:52 lol I love this part Monty: I want to do a mech fight Miles and Kerry: excuse me what Monty: you're putting it somewhere in there

[@SwitchbackCh]

The part that baffles me is if this series was something like 8 years in the making, why does it feel so rushed? I honestly do respect the sentiment they had to keep their promise to Monty wanting to make an anime, but the state of this anime can feel more like they needed something to pad out the Volume 9 delay, than something legitimately planned across almost a decade. I'd say the ship scene where they streamlined multiple episodes of character intros and exposition was the only part in the whole show where I felt "Wow, they've really thought about this."

[@fishnewt1331]

2:31:04 “None of my other sisters watched it and I need to vent!” Huh, I wonder how far in advanced this was made because I just saw Twiin’s review of Ice Queendom not too long ago.

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

To be fair, it's more like "Allison wasn't watching it and Twiins' and I had such different opinions about it that we couldn't realty talk to each other about it."

[@fishnewt1331]

@@thejudgmentalcritter6584: Lol! I got that from her review. Although with this context, I’m imagining Alison is completely confused about what’s going on.

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

@@fishnewt1331 She's like a mom who just smiles and nods whenever we start blabbering about something she doesn't understand lol

[@rhysgreen8642]

I think the most underdeveloped and brushed over aspect of RWBY has to be team STRQ. I just want something on STRQ.

[@futurestories2380]

Agreed. They're half the family of team RWBY. Yang's purpose was to find her mom and get answers. team STRQ was as popular as team RWBY and played a major role in the world. RUBY is a blank slate, they could have given her a purpose related to her family. The focus should have been on team RWBY and the STRQ family.

[@Lotus77King]

The collab I never expected. Woah. I love this 🔥

[@stephon448]

I watched Ice Queendom with a friend, and let me tell you, the amount of confusion he had was ridiculous. When Yang used her semblance, he shouted “She’s a Super Saiyan!”

[@rexlumontad5644]

Imagine if The Judgmental Critter and Celtic Phoenix work together in a RWBY fan collaboration. It would be pure unadulterared badass.

[@zaaknicolas7638]

let this happend

[@friktogurg9242]

@@zaaknicolas7638 If there is a second season, Tow Ubukata can fuck off

[@abelzerihun7985]

1:09:42-1:10:22 It's too bad that Weiss doesn't remember any of it and was just controlled by the Nightmare Grimm all along.

[@JoshtheOverlander]

Also, can I add that I hate the intro for IQ? Not the song, I have it on my phone, but the visuals. It's so downright lazy, using stock footage for it, it's one of the rare openers that I skip over every time because it's not exciting or well-made. I thought it was only going to use stock footage during the first three episodes, and then when we finally get into the nightmare, we'd change it to the *real* intro, but nah.

[@JoshtheOverlander]

Getting nothing but vague feelings or, god help me, nothing at all, is more damaging to an artist of any stripes than taking a harsh critique or even just being insulted. We want to know specifics, to improve and grow, but we can't do that without feedback, especially authors and writers

[@Sbreddragon]

Best collab on RWBYtube

[@rosan3755]

The last time I was this early it was when Oscar was first introduced

[@Awesome_Pichu]

Celtic now has a critter, neat

[@nah_man78]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAAAH BABEYYY THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@mr.birdie1406]

I have never been more entertained by a bird and a rodent more than today. This was lovely 👌.

[@sushigivesmelife2131]

I would never expect Judge to make a full blown rewrite of RWBY, but I have always wondered what she would do with these characters and this story. Just like a 20 minute video on how/where she would take this story would be really interesting. Anyways great podcast! My only thought is if you had like jot notes/points, and then get all your feelings out a specific point, and then move onto a new point, would have made this more organized? The whole podcast did admittedly kinna feel like a mush of ideas - HOWEVER - I actually understand that because the podcast felt like two people venting a lot of feelings that they haven't been able to express elsewhere - so I understand!!! Like I'm not trying to be a jerk - at all. I just found it a bit hard to follow because they'd say, "Now we're gonna talk about (blank)," and then proceed to talk about something other than (blank) for a while and then (blank) never really gets discussed - happened a few times in the video. But I totally understand - it's clearly just two people relaying their thoughts. Just something that I was thinking during the entire course of this podcast. Anyway, I love Celtic Pheonix and Judgemental Critter SO MUCH ♥️♥️♥️

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

Me, gripping my handful of pages detailing my notes for the video I'm planning on how I would rewrite volume 5: OMG REALLY?! :D

[@CelticPhoenix]

For the record, before we recorded we sat down and tried to hash out a list of topics and wound up with a pretty big list. There were 8 major topics, and inside those we had a total of 27 related topics that we wanted to hit... and we still missed a few of them. There was a LOT to talk about and keeping it all organized was impossible XD

[@friktogurg9242]

@@CelticPhoenix If there is a second season, Tow Ubukata can fuck off

[@ArcofCarona]

@@thejudgmentalcritter6584I would

[@raikaschieck1634]

"The worst comment an artist can get is Its nice" - yes, thank you

[@huttmuttbutt]

2:02:52 that's actually a pretty good Jacques impression!

[@ghouly16]

I'm curious if we got a fundamental idea of the nightmares wrong and it's less the rawest Id of the person and more the there the person they'd hate to be, jaune hates and fears being a useless baby carry, Weiss despises the idea of being her father's attack dog and the best way to express that if the scar on her face is a badge of honour for her in reality and a symbol of her freedom and Blake sees the white fang becoming Adams ideal and she fears following that path so her fear of becoming another Adam a sadistic monster who uses legitimate problems to allow him to indulge in his sadism and anger. In essence the dreams I feel especially for Weiss are picking at every bad thought she's had and hurting her by saying this is you.

[@Armoraxis]

I think a neat thing they could have done with Jaune, while also having a moral quandary with being in the mindscape is - have Jaune feel compelled to save the sillies, despite Weiss both consciously and unconsciously wanting them to be locked away, and by fighting Weiss's innate will so much, you could cause damage to the real Weiss and possibly even kill her due to the strain on her mind and personality you are inflicting meanwhile, Jaune wants to be a hero so much that he still acknowledges these people aren't real to the outer world, but his rationale is "they are real here, so they must be saved and set free" or even by extension, by saving these mini-weiss and Pyra that Jaune is saving the real weiss and brushes any critique of his plan aside, as "how could releasing someone's inner child be bad? She should embrace it and it'll be for the better" - essentially putting his own thoughts and values onto Weiss, only for it to eventually backfire and he might end up having a decent arc - maybe this could also play into how evil Weiss is defeated, only for everyone to then have to fix the damage done to her or.... just not have Jaune in it at all, like... in-universe it makes sense, I guess, but meta-wise he does nothing and really could be written out. "oh, but he saves Ruby!" Yeah...... and there are a thousand other ways she could have been saved, and the same applies to any other contribution he had

[@Maeve-The-Brave]

That Team ECHELON idea (2:27:18) sounds awesome. That’s such a cool worldbuilding idea, I hope you can do something with it

[@CerezaDL]

The neck snapping bit was hilarious. I wanna animate that, but Idk how to do that😂

[@hazelcrisp]

Omg Celtic birb is so cute

[@medea4751]

whoaa critters idea for ren's nightmare sounds incredible

[@ineptwombat8229]

I know, right?! I need to see it

[@upjohn1715]

A critter collaborating with a phoenix is something we didn’t think we needed until having received it

[@coolmedina117]

Rip billy man I had no idea he was gonna be in

[@maskedsentai2003]

Critter: what if Arcane was rushed? Celtic: I'll burn down all of Paris

[@blackkitty369]

I loved it! Just hearing you two share different or similar opinions was fun!

[@thealliedpowers]

Being mean on the internet wasn't bad then, but it is now and it's because of witch hunting. Back then, if you got into a shouting match, once it was over, that was that. Now, people feel inclined to chase you on every platform and get as many 3rd parties on their side as they can.

[@eduard60]

1:16:50 I believe the giant sword is the symbol of his warrior family that jaune can't live up to (that's why he can't lift it)

[@upjohn1715]

I thought the same thing, does Weiss know more about the Arc family because that’s the only conclusion I can draw for why Jaune has this sword.

[@thatexoguy6721]

To be honest, Ice Queendom had a lot of problems (most of which you two do an amazing job putting into words and exploring here). But at the same time, it's the first time in a long while that anything RWBY related put a genuine smile on my face. It's silly and it has its issues, but it feels closer to the show and characters that I fell in love with years ago than anything the actual show has done in recent memory.

[@SnowManJay]

Let’s go!!! The collab was fire 🔥✨

[@abelzerihun7985]

2:29:45-2:29:53 And that animation was lifted from episode six when Nightmare Weiss jumped over RBY to get in between them and the Nightmare Grimm.

[@romulusnuma116]

Original RWBY was what American thought anime was in bad and good way I think it made a lot of the character compelling because you could tell the type of character they were going for but it was just off enough to be it's own thing Ice Queen bridges the gap and you're just left with that exact characters you've watch many times already done worse.

[@abelzerihun7985]

2:24:06-2:24:13 Also Blake mentioning Jacque in episode five and giving an explanation as to why Ruby can surf on a lunch tray.

[@solempireo9015]

I don't see what's so "baffling" about the nightmares as they're portrayed in the show. Jeanne's nightmare: being scared & weak. Weisse's nightmare: being trapped in her broken family and becoming what her father wants her to be (a holier-than-thou, xenophobic despot like himself). Blake's nightmare: Adam and his ideology (being a vengeful psychopath who uses violence & fear to get what he wants and calling it "judgement" for humanity's crimes against faunus). It all seems pretty clear and understandable to me.

[@staymaddddd]

Please do a Madoka Magica podcast gushing about the series, especially Rebellion!!

[@GeneralBolas]

I think I figured out what's "wrong" with Shion's visual design: it's too busy. RWBY, especially V1, had to work within the limitations of low-end 3D software of the day. So the designs had to be fairly flat but still read well at speed. They have a few key details, but are mostly formed from simple shapes that can read decently well in silhouette. Shion was made for the anime. That means their design doesn't have limitations, so the animators get to do whatever they want. You can also see this with most of the designs for team RWBY within the nightmare world. They're *way* more busy, with more details than their canonical designs (at least, the early canonical designs).

[@Wolpertinger-yl6ll]

You deal with the nightmare grimm like arthas deals with the plague. "It's too late , everyone is infected. This entire city must be purged."

[@dakotalange2858]

I like the au idea and when you said that Weiss dying wasn’t a possible consequence because she’s alive in later volumes made me have a thought of what if she’s not and she’s just a figment of their imagination to help cope with her loss

[@sartin3288]

With the relics, I assumed they were places Weiss was resisting the Grimm, and the relics were what represented it. When they take the relics from their places, the nightmare closes in and takes over(the dorm room and silly jail). It's not explained in the show, but that was my conclusion.

[@joshthomas-moore2656]

Just as you mention the dub, i have to say that some of the characters mostly Weiss and Blake seem really hit and miss they have snippits of good but most of the time they are really dull, it feels very first reading. Also Ruby having the high pitched voice in volume 1 sounds so odd to me.

[@peterclaymore2239]

57:42 I mean... I'm excited for when that comes around.

[@ivanbackfromthecardshop8093]

Not that this is an excuse (most anime dont suffer from this problem to a significant degree) but anime on its own is not very profitable and gets a lot of its revenue off their merch and bluerays. Thats why they just fix it their a lot of the times its not worth it too d9 for the original broadcast

[@pinkiliciousbinch7822]

Oh my God I've never watched a casual stream w phoenix....,, He has a normal voice.,.,., I thought he just spoke like a narrator all the time

[@MoeHasubandoAbsolver]

I read Winter being a book as Winter's words being gospel to Weiss. Not simply a book but pseudo-religious scripture.

[@Gatekid3]

If the nightmare feeds on emotions, couldnt ren just mask the emotion whoevers infected and free them? Or wouldnt ren have just been immune due to his semblance?

[@StayFrostyX279]

Also yeah thanks for addressing my issue with Nightmare Grimm

[@LunaRose6969]

The best part about this is that it's 2.5 hours

[@linked2dio26]

36:24 gotta love those DEEP FRIED crusty audios of peak YTP Audio bits

[@twilightguardian]

1:15:11 "A Rachel supremacist" Yes, I too think that Rachel was the best animorph.

[@woooyeah8321]

Yooooooooooo Melted bird at the carping creature channel.

[@theelivated1775]

Tbh I get excited for the new volumes of rwby so I can watch the new rewrite soon after

[@leon1thelion580]

The real plot twist is she on created the nightmare Grim. And it's using it to dive into people's psyche you're still in their talent to create the ultimate grim. Lol

[@Random-Fandom]

Woot! Tundra Adjacent Lore: Ok, these critters have now run rampant across the Tundra. The more the merrier in this cold desert.

[@StayFrostyX279]

Personally I feel Studio Sunrise would had got it out better.

[@Ventiwings]

The humor of the show was weak in the og series anyway lol the writing has always been inconsistent so any adaptation will need to figure out the tone. Humor is subjective but i think rwby's initial fanbase was built around rt's fan and its history with inside jokes and gags that the cast has that the fans are familiar with

[@romulusnuma116]

That's a cute critter

[@samiai8905]

I'll never understand why they didn't just do a miniseries like the trailers where each of the characters is based on a Japanese folktale/myth and have each episode play them out with the cast. Sun Wukong is RIGHT THERE! Kind of like Peach's Demon Wars!

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

Actually, Journey to the West is a Chinese story, not Japanese.

[@jorgeperez2872]

7:17 Is it growing? Or is it adapting to the world?

[@kyfitch6975]

I would say it's an 8.5/10 some plot points confuses me and I guess the nightmare stuff made sense to me

[@jorgeperez2872]

6:21 Not only that, but saying is "bad" and not giving a reason for it.

[@MasquedJustice]

1:48:18 Port is a very handsome man

[@ibinstantbulletib5647]

Damn as a fate fan I feel personally attacked uh the paiiiinn lol

[@drummachine77]

Rwby and the land of missed opportunities

[@trapmatrix5942]

Starting the video… I don’t see any reason to disagree about with this show. I do think it’s better than Volume 7 and 8 though.

[@ProxyDoug]

I don't remember where they said it, but I think the silver eyes were like something they pulled because they didn't know what to do at the end of Volume 3 and they were running out of time. Quite literally a Deus Ex Machina, which might be why they took so long to explain it. A little detail I thought was neat about IQ was that you actually saw Weiss reloading her weapon, it was weirdly satisfying.

[@numberhunter62]

Celtic Phoenix throwing some hard shade at fate despite the fact that Fate/Zero isn't the best out there. Carnival Phantasm is a glorious comedy and F/GO just has parts so much better to me than Fate/Zero. The 5th story chapter of F/GO part two is just phenomenal. "Stars, Cosmos, Gods. Ansus, Antrum, Unbirth. Anima, Animusphere."

[@friktogurg9242]

1:22:56. Yeah but the writer of psycho pass 2 squandered it. The moment I realized that he was writing it, I kinda knew it was screwed

[@julianhenry8141]

fixing icequeendom xD

[@friktogurg9242]

If there is a second season, Tow Ubukata can fuck off

[@seirramoon388]

My biggest problem with rwby, fake out deaths followed by the real one, I.E. Penny.

[@personperson4571]

:)

[@thepolishlithuaniancommonw8986]

I love Celtic phoenix but that fate take is bad

[@YoBoyNeptune]

I feel very validated hearing every problem I had with this show in this podcast

[@CoolerStar-lz1jr]

I don't know, people just don't understand my love for Volume 7

[@triggerfairy4070]

Granted its been 7 volume and its just the same problem every season. If the show quality hasnt change after the first 6 volume and your still harping about the same thing, might aswell move on.

[@SpectreBagels]

Jinx and Mr. Popo are based on Jinn not black people guys

[@cosmoreverb3943]

@35:20 How dare you. To borrow an overused quote in the wrong context, just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right.

[@knightfall2024]

Hey, since rwby ice queendom Is a graveyard of potential. How bout we review an anime That's Good. Like Overlord. I hear that has a great Story, Lots of Amazing Artwork. And ACTUAL Storytelling.

[@nolanburke3669]

Ehhh I wouldn't say that Overlord has a great story

[@triggerfairy4070]

Isekai garbage, no thanks.

[@justinbrummett]

4:08 - 5:31 Basically what Mauler does in a sense

[@LTDLetsPlays]

he is a fan of mauler

[@friktogurg9242]

@@LTDLetsPlays Is he?

[@isaiahcox9787]

@@LTDLetsPlays that’s disgusting 🤢

[@garrettcarter5622]

Unfortunately.

[@justinbrummett]

@@garrettcarter5622 How?

[@neilburns448]

Aladdin takes place in China I actually enjoyed Queendom A wonderful video folks you two really should collaborate on a rewrite 😁😁

[@saiyanscaris6530]

sooo about roosterteeth sticking around. recent events might be the nail on the coffin for rwby as a whole and roosterteeth as a whole

[@itol2201]

What happun?

[@saiyanscaris6530]

@@itol2201 alot

[@zucchinasoup4011]

This chapter or is it season? Would like to know ? 🤔 Ruby not gushing over a new weapon design was sadly lower her love for all weapon's was bad in my eyes. Yang bing a loving big sister was great, but would have like to see that side that wanted to find her mother or know why she not in her life. Weiss was not to bad for showing a spoiled rich and racist schnee that was a little over the top.. but can live with it. Blake.......... The trash character in both R.T an this one. Why you ask 🤔 one work terrorist. Hell she don't even change her look or clothes. She does a half ass supergirl trop and still get away with it till her white face (being human) over walking around like a furnace... Hell there should be Wanted poster of her an Adam and other white fang...

[@omegalettexyphonophore3111]

If Yang was the main character - RWBY Flames and Fists, RWBY Finding my Mom If Blake was the main character - RWBY Emotional Damage, RWBY 50 shades of Fangs, RWBY Rise of the Faunus If Nora was the main character - RWBY Loving and Thundering, RWBY Pink Glory If Ren was the main character - RWBY I forgot my Hamon, RWBY Green Warrior If Jaune was the main character - RWBY Mile's Paradise, RWBY Melancholic Knight If Roman was the main character - RWBY Joyous Phantom, RWBY The Sassy Father If Neo was the main character - RWBY Ice Cream Mix, RWBY Neopolitan Fairy If Penny was the main character - RWBY Metallic Judgement , RWBY Nuts and Dolts If Qrow was the main character - RWBY Drinker's Bar, RWBY Cursed Swordsman If Raven was the main character - RWBY Crimson Birds (could be the name of Raven's clan), RWBY Gotta go fast and faster from child support If Oobleck was the main character - RWBY Flashpoint Referrence, RWBY Beyond Sound If Adam was the main character - RWBY Twilight of two souls, RWBY Handsome Race Supremacist If Ozpin was the main character - RWBY Drama of a Millenia, RWBY Ancient Sentinel If Glenda was the main character - RWBY Instructor whip me, RWBY Secret Witch If Cinder was the main character - RWBY Ella ain't my name, RWBY Darker than the future of RWBY proper, RWBY Fall of Civilization If Salem was the main character - RWBY Salami is Mommi's favorite dish, RWBY Fall of Mankind If Mercury was the main character - RWBY Shuffling, RWBY Silver Assassin If Emerald was the main character - RWBY I have crippling insecurity, RWBY Reality Trickster (running out of ideas) If Pyrrha was the main character - RWBY Tragic Foreshadowing, RWBY Spartan Queendom If Ironwood was the main character - RWBY Beard Overpowering, RWBY Ironclad If Cardin was the main character - RWBY generic racist demonstration, RWBY Arrogant Prince If Tyrian was the main character - RWBY Insect Joker, RWBY Dark Clown If Watts was the main character - RWBY Celestial Mechanics, RWBY Arthur Watts If Coco was the main character - RWBY Caffeine Everyday, RWBY Fashion Commander If Yatsuhashi was the main character - RWBY Mochi Man, Ultimate Tank If Fox was the main character - RWBY Dark Skin ExtraSpecies, RWBY A Personal Voice If Velvet was the main character - RWBY Bunnygirl Senpai loves taking pictures, RWBY Stitches and Memories My head can't take anymore... I'm getting too serious regarding titles, I might start writing these as actual stories.... this is just for fun.

[@Fimbulvetr]

Mr. Popo is based off of a specific design, but I don't think the intention was to invoke black face imagery. Akira Toriyama has drawn many black characters before, and even in the same series. They just look like black people in his art style, they don't look like Mr. Popo so I don't think the intention was to invoke an image of that. Also shocked to hear that you like Ruby's voice at all tbh. Always hated the sound of it regardless of the volume; it never gets better.

[@garrettcarter5622]

Kenobi was not that bad, CP is overreacting.

[@princeofqrow3181]

Dude Kenobi was bad mauler doesn't 10 hours video to explain that to you just watch it with your brain turn on and you're see the difference.

[@garrettcarter5622]

@@princeofqrow3181 Or I could form my own opinions and not base them off some guy on the internet.

[@princeofqrow3181]

@@garrettcarter5622 yeah you can do that, you have that right to believe Kenobi wasn't a hot bag of garbage 😉

[@garrettcarter5622]

@@princeofqrow3181 You could stop being condescending, also.

[@lilyovalle7254]

I mean, he can hate whatever he wants for any reason he seems appropriate