RWBY Lets Talk About SHIPPING

Shipping is a big part of the RWBY community. Maybe we should talk about that?
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[@danielwilson8604]

hello everyone. i saw this video when it first came out and i found the chats to be a very welcoming place, lot of people sharing opinions and being very civil. people were in support of or against this ship and it was going great! MUCH better than the first Rwby forums i was in. But recently I've come back and something needs to be said..... I apologise if i explode a little, i just need to get this off my chest. I've had the bad luck of running into something again an again no matter where i go in this fandom. and If i'm overly harsh, please tell me. I mean no offense to anyone. Additionally, Miss Critter, If you find this and I have misunderstood the point of your video, please tell me and i will remove this comment without protest. Thank you. Okay. I see a lot of people talking about how shipping ruined the show, and that's fine. And then i see people talking about how much better black sun was, and how toxic one particular ship is. And I think you missed the point of the video. I have no right to tell you who to ship or not. But, to paraphrase socrates, having an opinion on ships IS shipping. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but in a video about how we're letting shipping run amok and ruin the experience, everybody has started talking about how toxic specific ships in the comments, i.e shipping. And i'll let you guess which one. "but it's a toxic ship"? Well, not inherently. In fact, frankly, it wouldn't matter WHICH ship they were all saying we should do without! but attacking people over it isn't going to make it any better. Attacking ANYONE over ANY ship is not going to make anything better. In my time in the fandom i've seen less toxic shippers and more toxic retaliation towards shippers of various kinds. That said, because bumblebee is so frequently used in the comments, and i've had the bad luck of running into the backlash so many times, i'm going to use them as the example. As a result some of these examples cannot be applied to other ships, but some can and feel free to apply them as you like. And I apologize to anyone who has been a target of harrasment for disliking it, you are perfectly valid to feel affronted about that, but so too have fans and even creators been affronted over liking it. and NO ONE deserves to be treated that way. This includes petitions: 64.media.tumblr.com/b8357177062ea1716b5613b756efca32/tumblr_inline_pllabp71Ds1v68kdh_1280.png Threatening both Neath Oum and Casey Lee Williams with "sending them to meet the real monty". 64.media.tumblr.com/ca1abae52b37a4b1f66a35c479dc5b7a/tumblr_inline_pl9or1UXT41rrmsrs_500.png Harassing the youtuber 'Hammertime' up to and including death threats until they left both twitter and youtube: twitter.com/FallofMeerkat/status/1192428046185369600?s=19 And twitter channel incorrect bees (now going by a different name): twitter.com/IncorrectBees/status/1243731714435715080 Faking a suicide to make a particular ship look bad: boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/08/new-evidence-casts-doubt-on-story-about-rwby-fan-allegedly-driven-to-suicide/ animemotivation.com/rwby-toxic-fandom/ And many more. www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/es1usj/rwby_shipping_and_toxicity/ I'd like to point out that the suicide hoax had us labelled as toxic by many outside sources not for our support of ships but our actions AGAINST them. And worked not because of an an innate toxicity withing this particular ship or fandom (it was a copied from another fandom who shall remain nameless, for one thing), but because no rational person wants to believe a community would FAKE A SUICIDE as a smear campaign over THIS. I even found a letter from a former moderator of the rwby critic reddit who resigned because bumblebee hate is not only getting disturbing but actively hampering constructive criticism. He didn't and still doesn't support the ship, but he drew the line at people saying rubyxyang would be healthier. Given how they are openly fine with speaking their mind, I find them to be the most objective person available on the subject and while i don't agree with everything they say i do encourage people to check out their tumblr. They have some very good rational criticisms of the ship and the show in general and aren't afraid to condede points. rwbyconversations.tumblr.com/post/611971208965177344/so-i-take-it-something-happened-to-make-you-quit rwbyconversations.tumblr.com/post/627157797957730305/so-i-saw-someone-on-the-critics-sub-saying-that www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/b07fkb/an_open_letter_to_certain_rwby_youtubers/ he gets a bit harsh here but theres some good back and forth in the comments and arguments for and against points. I'd like to point out he is a published rwby critic openly critical of bumblebee and was, naturally, mocked for "not wanting the show to be criticized" and for being a "biased shipper" simply because he was not harsh enough on bumblebee in their eyes. I have experienced similar, a number of discussions on character arcs have ended abruptly with, "well yes, but that was bumblebee so it doesn't count" once again, if you dislike bumblebee THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. you are perfectly fine to criticize the show on it's own merits. But when Eruptionfang can say things like "Swapping crotch snot and taking a sip from that furry cup" and Adel Aka can say adam should abuse blake more, not because he feels it would convey the abuse better but because he feels she deserves it and in a later video that he hopes YANG starts abusing her and protesting that makes you 'toxic'? then we've reached a problem area. Adel thankfully took the latter video down after it got him banned from reddit, but then made another about reddit 'censoring' him. No matter WHO you personally do or don't like together, this is not okay. And please, PLEASE let's stop saying what was, and wasn't monty's plan. we have no IDEA what monty's plan was, because he kept it to a very few people and changed his mind CONSTANTLY. All we know is that before the show even began he said he would be happy to have lgbt characters, and that he wanted them to take it slow if they did. He was happily talking about a scene in the v2 commentary where yang ties a cherry into a knot with her tounge and shows blake that they had to cut because of technical issues so at the VERY least it seems he'd be okay with the idea. Anything else is conjecture or confirmation bias. Neath oum has specifically asked everyone to just STOP using that for criticism because it is both disrespectfull and painful to his family. A friendly reminder that he does not work for roosterteeth, he is an independent lawyer who freelances with them SOLELY to support this project. And people have been trying to correct him, to tell him they know his brother's plan and his brother better than he does and that if he doesn't support their vision he must have never loved his brother. "But they're shippers/non-shippers/bbshippers/blksnshippers/someothergroup. They deserve this" No. nobody deserves this. I have no problem with you disliking the ship, in fact to everyone here who has criticized the ship based entirely on it's execution in the show, THANK YOU. I'm probably going to disagree with you on some points, but that's life and it's perfectly fine. I honestly enjoy debating with you all, it's a real treat. But my Very first forum interaction in the fandom was someone assuming I was a bumblebee shipper and letting loose pre-emptively. Abusive behaviour is not exclusive to the people who argue FOR a ship, and while i am deeply sorry for your own experiences (and i hope, i HOPE they have been better than this) i am asking you, you personally not to let them shape you. In retaliating against all shippers reflexively, you can JUST as easily ruin someone new's experience. Please let it stop here. I ANY other fandom i would make the plea that i know you are all better than this. As it is i can only hope. thank you for your time and for being so negative. please have some positivity: pbs.twimg.com/media/EL6xv0-WsAADnzm?format=jpg&name=medium twitter.com/AG_Nonsuch/status/1314603410570739714 dumbrwby.tumblr.com/post/134331551514/eunnieverse-i-dont-care-what-his rwbymotivation.tumblr.com/post/620825399589568512/are-you-tired-of-seeing-negativity-on-your preview.redd.it/eoar51o5v5r51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=77faf14de6675e5974e39252143d98302a584208 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX3SoIV7otusj7s

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

This was amazingly well worded, and so many people NEED to hear this.

[@danielwilson8604]

@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 thank you, and I hope it helps a little.

[@fireghost7563]

@@danielwilson8604 Holy crap.....no like actually this more then insane. I feel like this community never learned how to chill. To be honest I didn’t even know half this stuff happened because I began to distance myself from RWBY in general

[@danielwilson8604]

@@fireghost7563 to be fair, I HAVE seen a number of positivity movements. I do understand your distancing though, i did the same thing for me mental health. but eventually I came back and I figured i had to try and help a little.

[@Psykroids]

Red flag. The term hate speech was used early.

[@yarharhar]

"Salem doesn't give a shit if Ruby likes Boys or Girls." Next time I get into a RWBY shipping argument I am definitely gonna say that.

[@goddesssalem4842]

Kill them all my Queen, leave none alive in volume 8

[@solsun7350]

@@goddesssalem4842 seriously. We need a purge of rwby Characters lowkey

[@witchofmemes]

But they will ship Salem with someone. Watch! Lol

[@PlantaWho]

@@witchofmemes allow me! I ship Salem with Ironwood. The Dom is in!

[@witchofmemes]

@@PlantaWho approved! Lol

[@dita9997]

Oh shi- i just realized that Ruby rarely talk to Blake...

[@arrexu01]

Rarely? Try only in vol 1.

[@BumbleCrumble1072]

And only in one scene.

[@romulusnuma116]

You'd be surprised how little characters talk to each other I don't think Adam says a single line to any of the main girls other then Blake and maybe like 3 to Yang

[@katarinalavoie6476]

Yeah theres a lot of stuff that's odd. Notice how Ruby and Weiss don't know who Adam is. Wouldnt it have been interesting to See Weiss' reaction if she saw Adam's face.

[@zusfrankenstein8561]

Ruby's talked to Blake more times in one season of RWBY Chibi than she has in the entire 7 volumes of the main show.

[@ye-average-artist3890]

*"Dating does NOT mean having sex!"* Me a simple Ace person: THANK YOU-

[@DoctressCalibrator]

When normal people date they eventually have sex.

[@meltedmarshmellowpeep]

@@DoctressCalibrator ... you do realize what you saying 'normal' implies right. that it's abnormal or strange to be asexual when a lot of people are, you just don't know them. not trying to start a fight, just be careful how you talk about other's identities when they're already stigmatized

[@meltedmarshmellowpeep]

@@DoctressCalibrator saying the majority of people do have sex would have been an improvement but I can't control what you say or do. just trying to pass on some knowledge if you want it because it can effect others in the end

[@kennethfajardo9102]

@@DoctressCalibrator That is such a horribly worded argument, I just can't respect that stance. Hell, I'm not ace, but I won't have sex with my partner if they're not comfortable with it.

[@dudejoe24]

@@ammynaten8392 was it?

[@ejedwards988]

Can we all just agree that RWBY Chibi has given us far better character interactions than the show has? Like Neptune and Sun's friendship gives life.

[@thomasraines1396]

Also Blake’s secret love for Zwei was really cute: threatening to shave his butt if he tells anyone about them snuggling. They also portrayed Ruby and Yang as actual sisters.

[@aardvark_druid4154]

My favourite dynamic out of RWBY Chibi is Roman, Neo and Jaune. It's like they're larping together and its adorable.

[@isaiahbarrozo6271]

They use the characters better than tha actual show

[@khaliyahjefferson832]

@@isaiahbarrozo6271 facts

[@bryana.escaleralopez]

It’s because all the characters personalities were made for comedy😭 Try taking all the cast of a comedy show and add them to the walking dead. Its going to be a mess.

[@bonacloud]

I still think Blake and sun were the best WRITTEN relationship in the show. They were friends first and had a natural progression of there relationship.

[@somberflight]

Sun was a stalker, and stalked her on 3 different occasions, as well as being a creep and watching team RWBY's dorm room. If I was Jaune, Sun would've had his face caved in a long time ago.

[@ClockworkAnomaly]

@@somberflight gotta face it- girls like the Sun type more than the Jaune type. And no not because of the stalkerisms- they won't see it that way- they just see confident man who doesnt care and is strong. Jaune= unconfident, not strong, does care.

[@Dunderard]

@@somberflight Sun "stalking" Blake, is the same as Blake "slapping" Sun. Not what the writers intended.

[@arrexu01]

@@ClockworkAnomaly so true

[@somberflight]

@@ClockworkAnomaly I know, I absolutely abhor canon Jaune for being a pathetic, weak beta. But Sun is who we are talking right now. And Knightshade doesn't make sense out of AU scenarios anyways... since only fanfic writers actually put any thought into making and building relationships nowadays...

[@supersparrowJ]

In defense of Ren and Nora, when they held hands on the airship, Ren was the one to reach his hand out and hold Nora's hand. It was important because he was the bigger shutoff of the two, and rarely expressed his feelings about her, if ever, so this was meant to demonstrate how much he appreciated her.

[@DylanoRevs]

Action speaks louder than words

[@shadowofdimentio4618]

Ok but he also goes for a hug with Yang. And seems much more receptive to affection from Yang. Yang. He has never talked to Yang. Or how about Weiss, the biggest shutoff reaching out to Yang and hugging her? No one was taking that as confirmation that they were dating. Holding hands is great and all, but it's not enough to be an obvious sign of who's dating who. Especially since Ren had just killed the monster who killed all off his family and had done so because of Nora's help and was finally at peace. There's hundreds of reasons he could have held her hand first. I honestly didn't know they were dating till the fandom declared it so after the fact, and even now I think it's too vague. And as shown in the video, they don't keep up that level of contact or intimacy the entire next two volumes.

[@hypeman1825]

I'd care about Ren and Nora if they didn't take 7 Volumes to kiss?.. I just stopped caring because it took too long.. so when it finally did happen. "Wow.. who cares?" lol was my reaction.

[@PiiTheGod]

Love this ship

[@revenantrising7190]

@@DylanoRevs not when writing

[@k.h.knights2260]

In the words of the legendary Qrow himself: "You think they're scared of your little ships?"

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

LOL

[@dalek4463]

*Best character*

[@DustyMonke]

“Ruby would be married to her job” YES absolutely! My favorite ship is whiterose but i dont think its realistic. “Married to her job” is the perfect phrase im looking for

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

Married to her weapon would have been more accurate in the first volume

[@timur5241]

@@shadowrosegaming3566 Ruby would never release an AK-47 from her hands if she'd ever see one

[@the_last_ballad]

Maybe her and Wiss can be in a polycule with being huntswomen

[@normielegion1949]

Blake and Ruby, two of the central characters in the show, have never had a conversation. Wow.

[@oriongold395]

Oh, they did have a conversation. ...Back in Volume 1, Episode 3.

[@Rhewa]

And they haven't spoken on screen since.

[@heyarnold7256]

Thats why none of these relationships are believable. Half these characters don't even talk to eachother. How am I supposed to believe that Yang and Blake are in love when Blake has said more words to Sun than she has her ENTIRE. TEAM.???

[@icecontrol1]

I mean the "friends who never hang" is a real trope, is not like is something new

[@heyarnold7256]

@@icecontrol1 Doesn't make it a good thing. Especially when the story wants us to be invested in their relationships.

[@BlueEyedVibeChecker]

The worst thing about shipping is when the wind tears your sail so now you have to paddle back to shore with your bare hands...

[@Capt.Thunder]

Mfw you don't have oars lmao.

[@BionicleGio22210]

The wind is merciful compared to the cannonballs

[@SetSeth-yl6ke]

@@BionicleGio22210 Try having no wind at all. Have to use oars yes, but with no direction how are you gonna get across?

[@icesoul17z]

A good captain goes down with their ship.

[@awesomechainsaw]

What are you talking about? You don’t have slaves chained up under deck ready to row for you at any moment?

[@MrAuthor3DS]

"You've worked with the team before, right?" "That was a long time ago. {...} I'M GAY." I don't know why, but that makes me laugh every time.

[@yutaisking3773]

I love it 🤣

[@PhoenixEnforcer101]

I literally lol'd at that

[@MangoMagica]

Me too, I was watching this during my break and I died 💀

[@armorfrogentertainment]

Dear God, the romantic subplot writing in RWBY is worse than Legend of Korra's...

[@x--qz1fd]

A legendary of a milestone to hit

[@thethornkiddos]

Oh my it is I didn’t realize that

[@coolbeans3752]

Wow, that's saying something. And your right.

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

I cannot stand a human saying those 3 words.

[@armorfrogentertainment]

@@heromahlinakalimullah7886 well, I'm a frog, so...

[@andrewcarmichael2371]

Shipping is the most toxic part of RWBY.

[@irongeneral7861]

It's like sand. Course, rough, irritating... and it gets everywhere! (Especially the reddit)

[@igorpachmelniekzakuskov776]

And god forbid if anyone criticises Bumblebee

[@u1tra_p0wer52]

Particularly every show's fandom

[@Rob.N.]

@@kalentinesday Yeah, but I think that comes from them wanting the writers to put more effort into the plot, rather than all of the romantic subplots.

[@pascal4272]

@@kalentinesday sorry for that but you should see some bumblbee shipers they are so bad they bullyed someone out of twitter they like to stay in there own little echo chamber denying critisizm hell they try so hard that they block anyone that does not agree with them

[@superpandamoon]

Honestly I feel like a lot of these problems stem from RTs wishy washy was of taking fan ideas. It’s their story, leaving literally almost all relationship vague in this clumsy way just feels like a lack of decisiveness. They want their cake and to eat it to. Give the fans what they want AND not fully commit so you don’t have to deal with backlash and can focus on what story elements you want. This paired with their apparent fear of actually going all the way or fleshing out any romance leaves essentially leaves everything to fanon. RT needs to put its foot down and actually just make a choice and go with it.

[@renegadedjinn5325]

Ah like someone who is in an open relationship. They want the freedom to date whoever but also want to have something serious with a person.

[@danielwilson8604]

I feel that's because THEY don't know what they are. They're kids who don't express themselves well and have been hurt a lot in the past, so their building up their friendship and coming out of their shell fiest

[@arrexu01]

Aren't they letting other people design new grimm for them?

[@megasam101]

Arrexu Vermillion yeah that is kinda wired

[@danielwilson8604]

@@arrexu01 it's more they have a habit of taking on promising artists, is my understanding. Most of their staff joined the team that way, even before rwby started, including monty. And sometimes they bring Grimm with them. A lot of prominent fanartists are known to have become designers on the show.

[@cj-bi7hz]

*the best writing advice i ever got was:* if two characters have to kiss in order for the audience to know they're in love, you are writing the romance (whether subplot or not) WRONG

[@gatorkid3653]

My biggest gripe with Bumblebee was the solid fact that it didn’t feel...natural? Idk. I felt like BlackSun did a much better job at building the relationship between Blake and Sun. Hell, those two I felt like had so much solid chemistry. Yang and Blake had their moments when they fought Adam. Which made me realize that Adam was literally used for Bumblebee, when in reality, he had SO MUCH MORE potential!! Hell, he was branded by the Schnee Dust Company and guess what? WEISS HAD ZERO CLUE WHO ADAM WAS!!

[@TheDevilFox.]

I read somewhere don't remember where that BlackSun was supposed to be endgame by Monty, that's why they had so many scenes together but then Rwby writers said fuck that

[@JZ-hy9me]

@@TheDevilFox. well we really don't know that cause we aren't monty

[@TheDevilFox.]

@@JZ-hy9me true and now we will never find out

[@morkute25]

sad too. I shipped them a lot. But the writing started going downhill ever since volume 3. The Sun and Blake arc was good, I thought they will finally seal the deal except ow it's uncertain, because Sun's voice actor left rooster teeth so I doubt the character will come back, along with many, many others.

[@neroidius6915]

Adam and Sun we’re done dirty just for lgbtq representation

[@esaimercado6082]

You know what, I'm about to say it. I don't care for Bumblebee.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Personally, I hate it

[@AutZentus]

@@RickyUzumaki993 So do I, if anything I don't care for any ship between anyone in team rwby because it kills/ruins the dynamic they're meant to have.

[@p1exieglasses160]

"I don't care that you broke your elbow." XD I'm sorry! It totally came to my head. But yes, I agree with you. I liked Blacksun a lot more, but I can't do anything about it. Just gotta let what happens happen.

[@sixwingedasura3059]

An actual bold view! Apologies for the mountains of hateful PMs you'll probably get, knowing the Hive...

[@RickyUzumaki993]

AutZentus Agreed, my friend

[@zerotohero1483]

Am I the only one who doesn’t ship anyone. I agree with the “friends” argument it bothers me soo much in the show

[@jeffreydosdall4481]

Yo, I am with you. Why do two characters have to be romantically interested in each other just because they talked that one time?

[@Morbius-Tension]

I don't ship none of them

[@modernlavender4922]

I see everyone as friends but shipping is fun like she said!

[@LiterallySpikeSpiegel]

I feel like that ruins the team dynamic, Team RWBY felt better when it was just a group of friends that acted like sisters.

[@Garden0flowr]

@@LiterallySpikeSpiegel same I like the idea of a group of close friends who are like family to each other more than a bunch of lovers

[@KeeKage37]

Hell how many times has Ruby talked to Yang, her own sister!

[@randomcenturion7264]

At this point, a lot of people barely even remember they are sisters.

[@danielwilson8604]

More than you'd think actually. I'm sorry, but this one frustrates me. Back when they're first afflicted by the apathy (before they actually show up) ruby screaming briefly snaps yang out of her trance. Her first words are "Ruby?". Ruby trusts yang to oversee the heist via her scroll and yang visibly panics when communication goes down, and is seen running well ahead of Blake when she's coming back from her fight. When lost in the djinn fog, Ruby's one of the two names she calls. When the leviathan seemingly swallows her yang stares, stunned, with an outstretched arm, and during the last volume she's openly critical of Ruby's plan, only going through with it because, in her own words, she trusts ruby. I've been told that these don't count because they weren't onscreen together. Yang being upset at leaving ruby alone, talking about how proud she is or thinking she's gone don't count if Ruby isn't there with here. My own brother lives in another house and we only talk sometimes, but I don't love him any less. I'm sorry, buy I just don't see yang caring any less about Ruby.

[@handhelder823]

@@danielwilson8604 Ruby's scream broke everyone's Trance, so it doesn't really count, calling out her name in the fog is similar to that. Her stretching out her arm isn't that much either. Trusting a leader has nothing to do with the fact, that they are sisters. She could only be her leader and it wouldn't change anything So i disagree with your assesment

[@danielwilson8604]

@@handhelder823 that's mostly fair, but yang's the only one to actually react vocally, and it's more in her expression with the arm thing: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rwby/images/3/34/V6_13_00075.png/revision/latest?cb=20190202235557 she also panics a lot when the heist mission goes bad, but only calls for ruby on the scroll. And all together these momenrs show yang reacting whenever it looks like she might be seperated from ruby. I JUST realized the gap in perspective on this matter; given how strongly she loves the team, I don't quite see the need for her to spend time exclusively on ruby, that is, to treat her better than them. Does that make sense? Speaking of, well said on the leader thing, but i saw that as pride in her sisters leadership. I didn't think To seperate them, and while it makes some sense I don't quite agree. The teams point out to ace ops that their bonds are affection instead of just professionalism. But I thank you for assesing it on objective grounds. A lot of people i spoke to tried ro claim it was as yang outright caring about one person to the point of neglect. It's been weird.

[@handhelder823]

@@danielwilson8604 alright. Still, for a supposed overprotective sister, she is not very protective and speaks remarkably little with her sister

[@Jimmeeehhh]

"Hell how often has *Ruby* have a conversation with Blake?" Honestly, if it weren't for RWBY Chibi, BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle would have the most conversations between Ruby and Blake, and that's not even a RWBY game.

[@TheVTable]

😞 for God’s sake, RT

[@frozenfoxgames5300]

Do Blake and Ruby say anything to each other in that RWBY fan game?

[@bryana.escaleralopez]

Watch the anime

[@PuppyGems]

Black sun looked almost like a healthy straight relationship. We don’t have a current healthy one to relate to people. I had all toxic ex boyfriends. That’s why I like Rose Garden . It’s happy and fun :) and yes you don’t need sex to have true love. Plus I believe ruby would wait a few years she is a kind loving person

[@RickyUzumaki993]

BlackSun actually looked like it had proper development.

[@AutZentus]

@@RickyUzumaki993 Because it did but it was unfortunately thrown away and wasted because RT caved in to the psychic LGBT/bumblebee shippers.

[@SetSeth-yl6ke]

@@RickyUzumaki993 What was blacksun? Ive never watched it (and i dont think i will,i dont have the patience for 7 whole volumes of stuff) and i have no idea what that ship means.

[@matthiasbindl7085]

@@SetSeth-yl6ke a ship between Sun and blake that was pretty much build up since the first Volume. Sun and Blake had the most screen time with one another, the most interactions, slowly build an relationship with one another and than past V5/6 the series kinda forgets He ever Existed in the first place

[@ravenfrancis1476]

Dude, if you think a healthy straight relationship is underrepresented by your standards a healthy gay relationship is fucking nonexistent lmao

[@Masso-gy9yu]

Out of this whole video, what she said about the characters not talking to each other hits the most, I mean really I don't think Blake and Ruby has ever had a real conversation, like ever...…….. omg there not really friends.

[@Step43099]

That’s what I keep saying but people wanna act like I’m CRAZY when I bring it up

[@jeffreydosdall4481]

They had one real conversation, which was when they first met. And that was one of the best conversations in the show, and I want so much more of it!

[@nahte123456]

I mean that is said but that has nothing to do with shipping, shipping, and I mean actually shipping not stupid people bitching as loud as they can, is saying "I think these 2(or more) characters could make a good relationship together" there relationship in the original medium has literally nothing to do with it. I mean crossover ships are a very real thing for instance.

[@budgetbrick5124]

Honestly i don't see any of them as friends since after volume 1 i haven't seen any of the two teams hanging out and we actually see it it's either off screen stuff or we are simply told like and we are supposed to believe it they are more acquaintance than friends volume 5 is where the both teams seem to actually talk to each other for once in the six to eight month they been away sure jaune nora and ren were with ruby but we never see much except when they reach to the town then they separate and become a backstory for ren and we still don't know shit for nora

[@johnseymore4774]

@@jeffreydosdall4481 "I like books" "lol same" You'd think given how much black is a part of Ruby's outfit, she and Blake would talk more. But nope. Characters can only talk to two other characters, excluding single lines in plot crucial moments.

[@armorfrogentertainment]

I find it hilarious that people think Ruby is simultaneously too old and too young for Oscar. Also, I dislike every ship involving Ruby.

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

Does anyone remember Avatar? Katara was older. BRUH

[@auntienyannyan]

@@heromahlinakalimullah7886 Yeah, Aang was 12 (technically 112) and Katara was 14. Both were still minors. It's still acceptable.

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

@@auntienyannyan You just said Aang was 112 years. Are you saying Rose garden isn't acceptable because of ages? In the video they literally said people weren't yelling about Lancaster or White, and Ruby was two years younger than them. Rose Garden is acceptable. As a person who likes Rose Garden, I see so many comments saying Rose Garden shouldn't happen because of Ozpin. Just Really?

[@failingeverything5793]

@@heromahlinakalimullah7886 112 years IF you count his 100 years in an iceberg. Typically being cryofreezed stops your aging as well. So its kinda up to people on whether or not those 100 years count. Oscar has a similar problem. Do you count Oz if they are gonna be the same person apparently. Or do you just count Oscar. Of course Oscar raises more questions and fandom discourse than Aang. Because its much harder to consider the logistics of a body hopping, soul merging time wizard. Rather than the logistics of cryofrezing since that technically exists in our world already.

[@failingeverything5793]

@@heromahlinakalimullah7886 But yeah your right age gaps shouldn't really matter. My parents have a bigger age gap in real life.

[@contentlobby3824]

One other thing, and I learned this from Batman: “Dating within the team always leads to disaster.”

[@yollnahkriin6604]

Whole team STRQ agrees

[@Hero_Of_Time94]

@@yollnahkriin6604 indeed…. 1 presumably dead, 1 who knocked up both the girls and lost both of them, 1 who cast aside her biological family for a new “family” and 1 who literally cannot be with anybody due to semblance.

[@hypenerd6062]

Shipping is okay as long as its not the main thing your focusing on. Shipping in this show is just to bait people who like a ship to keep watching its one of the reasons shipping can either be really fun or break a fandom

[@azamonra]

I agree, except for romances that are about the ships. Shipping should be just fun side stuff that ideally builds character development. Or have a direct relation to the story father than a distraction from it.

[@hypenerd6062]

@@azamonra or have a already developed character have some chemistry with the love intrest but you need to be able to write natural conversation without it being ambigous or forced

[@terancetan5503]

If I remember, Total Drama has this problem as well.

[@azurac9658]

To be honest If shipping was perfect we would not have shipping wars.

[@lesnarahamilton5674]

shipping wars are such a small part of shipping tho there just the lowest most people do it for fun

[@Smollest_Jordie]

Phat Spheal hehe

[@TortoiseNotTurtle]

@@captainmac1005 What fanbase? Jkjkjk

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

@@captainmac1005 Wait, there were relationships in Yu Yu Hakusho? As side from you know, Yusuke and Keiko. Other then that, there were one sided love from Kuwabara for Hiei's sister, and then Kuwabara's sister and that evil guy, I forgot the name of.

[@jesuscarrillo976]

Salemlook down on Ruby from a giant whale Ruby: I'm gay Salem: Well shit, now I guess that stops me from ruining the world

[@jayquillberry4972]

As an aromantic asexual, I really appreciate the points you make in this video about how you do not need to make out to prove you love someone. I think Blaksun, Arkos and Rosegarden, and Renora are the best ships, but I don't care that much about it other than the fandom as ruined it for me.

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

You just said all my favorite ships lol.

[@strelitziamystery21]

You said the best ships! (In my opinion)

[@jerrithegentlemen6070]

I feel like the best Scene in RWBY is when yang and Weiss were talking to each other

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

Yep

[@duckynoodles3560]

As a BlackSun shipper I just want bumblebee to be confirmed canon already,just put me out of my misery .....Still gonna ship BlackSun though Because a Captain NEVER abandons ship!! 🏴‍☠️ 🚢 -_- (Also because like you said....shipping is suppose to be fun,like I still ship Clover and Qrow,canon can’t stop me)

[@fandemanga3378]

I mean look at the manga fandom. Do they Care about canon? I see ship of Naruto and Sasuke since Naruto as a child to even Naruto and Sasuke from boruto. Ship from bnha are just insane👁️👄👁️💧 Jojo's too. Even being able to bring back the dead to put them in other part in a DJ(ship or not). Whatever the canon say they will just do their thing🤣🤣🤣

[@fandemanga3378]

@MayoChiki how?

[@butterbread613]

Not a BlackSun shipper but I can imagine, that’s rough buddy.

[@tobiasskorupa1649]

@@fandemanga3378 By BNHA you mean Boku No Hero Academia? (My Hero Academia for the casual watchers)

[@allen2reckless676]

Exactly shipping is for fun. But the fact that Blake and yang relationship literally got forced down our throats and serves no push to the story is so sad lmao. The sun Blake pair pushed the plot. Yang Blake didn’t and still has yet to do anything for the story.

[@BLettuce]

"Has Yang ever talked to Ren?" Welp that's a hell of a journey to figure that out

[@kevintan3705]

“I’m not protecting her. She’s not protecting me. We’re protecting each other.” Genuinely, the most hilarious quote in the show. If the scene wasn’t enough of a dumpster fire already, it would have become an inferno.

[@thomasraines1396]

It reminds me of a quote from “Sword Art Online on Crack” where a character says “smoking kills, and if your killed: you’ve lost a very important part of your life.”

[@bean1an143]

"Train go boom." The only Black Ops 3 quote that made sense.

[@praimi13]

Ruby would get married tho. Her wife would be Crescent Rose. Also I really want to see qrow telling clover he can turn into a bird

[@chaserred4155]

Qrow: Clover, there's something I gotta tell you...But I don't know how... Clover: What is it, partner? You know you can tell me anything. Qrow: I...Clover, I... Clover: *Puts a hand on Qrow's shoulder, looks deep into his eyes* Qrow, it's okay. Qrow: I cAn TuRn InTo A bIrD, cLoVeR!

[@praimi13]

Qrow: I WAS CURSED TO TURN INTO A BIRD CLOVER! Clover: uh.....really? Qrow: yes really. Also my name is spelled with a Q.

[@cjnf11]

Qrow: WHAT DO YA DO WITH A DRUNKEN SAILOR EARLAY IN THA MOOORNIN Clover: What have I gotten myself into...

[@ocaraloho4652]

Qrow x happiness

[@grimstrawberry4737]

-haha about that-

[@giancarlobarbieri7685]

You missed the last problem about shipping, it destroys the chemistry between the characters. This affects more specifically the RWBY team, we always see Ruby and Weiss working only the two of them together, and the same thing happens with Blake and Yang, I understand that they can get along better than others, but that does not mean that they ALWAYS have to work like this, after all the 4 are a team and not two duos. Or when was the last time you saw Blake and Weiss fight together? Or worse yet, the last time you saw Ruby and Yang having a conversation as sisters? Here is a more serious question: If Yang had to choose whether to help Ruby or Blake, who would she choose? And if she choose to help one the other will end up very hurt.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

You’re completely right

[@rftg1793]

i couldn't agree more

[@AZDfox]

Ok, so 1: they literally are 2 duos. That's how all the teams were made. And 2: if team chemistry is the issue, were you also upset about Renora? Or Arkos? Or the fact that having family on the team would mess up the so called "team chemistry" you're so worried about?

[@AZDfox]

And to ask a question in response to yours: if (theoretically) Yang was dating... Ren, just to use an example, and she had to choose between helping Ren or Ruby, who would she choose? See, with your logic, they shouldn't date ANYONE, whether they're a teammate or not.

[@BarstoolBlues33]

That's how friendship is, though. You're naturally going to gravitate to whoever you are closest with. Shipping aside, Yang and Blake are best friends so it would make sense that they would spend a lot of time together and seek each other out to work with when on missions.

[@TheVegetaover9000]

I’m so conflicted with bumblebee. Sure, it’s not a ship I particularly dislike or anything, but it kind of came out of nowhere to me when I first watched it. Considering all the scenes with Blake and Sun, I was sure they would get together, otherwise those scenes were just baiting us. However, due to how much I don’t like Blake, but do like Sun, I didn’t really want them to get together. Hell, Blakes personality just made me question why anyone in the show would want to get together with her in the show, especially Sun and Yang after what she did to them, Sun getting smacked by her for simple mistakes, and her abandoning Yang when she needed her without saying anything. I just don’t like Blake

[@sqxbarto9229]

Blake felt guilty also she thought she protects Team RWBY by getting away from them. Slapping Sun was also understandable (but maybe a bit much) in both situations Sun kinda invaded her privacy. BlackSun felt one-sided for me. Bumblebee would be okay for me, but it would be time to confirm it because until now it feels just baiting. I think even in their first scene together Yang saw something in Blake and after Beacon, she was upset and hurt, at how Blake left her. (I really loved the Weiss - Yang conversation about it)

[@soniasun2692]

Fair enough

[@electroanubis3385]

Stay strong Blacksun shippers

[@Killjoy695]

@@electroanubis3385 I hate to be the bearer of bad news but black sun has officially died with one of the newest episode.

[@electroanubis3385]

@@Killjoy695 I've noticed

[@izilladkilla]

I personally hate how Blake *never* has to explain herself or apologize for abandoning her team at the end of Volume 3, or how Yang is clearly upset about Blake saying she's gonna "protect her" because it implied she can't protect herself but then it's never brought up again and they're buddy-buddy next time we see them. It's like the writers can't allow Blake and Yang to have any conflict whatsoever, even though there should be some, because then Bumblebee can't happen. Most of all, I hate how Adam literally died for this ship to happen. So much potential for his character was wasted. Like, why didn't Weiss play a role in his storyline? He literally has the SDC logo branded on his face, the Schnee family are his most hated enemies, yet she has ZERO relevance or involvement with him; it's just mind-boggling.

[@thomasraines1396]

Exactly it’s insane, Yang doesn’t even get to confront Blake about her leaving, it’s all cleared up after one conversation with Weiss (who she goes back to never speaking to afterwards).

[@MrLightningbob]

Blake and Yang have a constant roller coaster ride of trust thanks to the constant lies and abandonment that Blake does. Both are big issues to Yang. The biggest problem is that bee shippers have a tendency to ignore that and RT never addresses the problems they have, let alone Yang’s ptsd

[@wdad9406]

Personally, I don't ship any Rwby characters, I'm more interested in who they are and how they deal with stuff , but some how the show lost focus and the fandom became toxic only talking and insulting others opinions and ships . I miss the old Rwby..

[@renegadedjinn5325]

You ain't alone.

[@weirdespeon4663]

Ur right

[@heyarnold7256]

"I'm more interested in who they are and how they deal with stuff" Unfortunately the show is also bad at writing that. Almost any other series has better character explorations.

[@newfacepaula]

you think RWBY ship is bad? Harry Potter shipping is much worst.

[@krishnandabahar1900]

newfacepaula I mean, they have tropes based on their names “Draco in Leather Pants” and “Ron the Death Eaters”.

[@PersianSlashuur]

Sonic and MHA are the worst for me.

[@krishnandabahar1900]

@@PersianSlashuur ive heard about MHA but how bad is sonic's?

[@cablecrusher26]

Voltron PTSD flashbacks intensifies

[@timothymclean]

I'd argue that that comes primarily from the size of the Harry Potter fandom. There are probably more serious HP shippers than there are casual RWBY fans. From my experience with fandom in general and RWBY fandom in specific, the latter seems to have an unusual concentration of shippers for one reason or another, which means it's harder for rival shippers to avoid interacting, which means ship rivalries get more intense. Not intense enough to outshine the toxic minority of huge mainstream fandoms, but intenser than other niche fandoms.

[@atosm8300]

Jaune and Ruby's friendship is just so beautiful, it's so rare two characters with different genres exist in the same room without any sexual tension happening. I want to see these two goofing around more often.

[@_TinyHyeju_]

I also love the names of ships for RWBY, it’s always something unique like Bumbleby or FreezerBurn! But sometimes it’s TOO unique and someone will be like “my favorite ship is Strawberry Chicken Nuggets” and I actually have to google it because I can’t tell the ship from the name

[@thomasraines1396]

I like the names that are unique as well but yeah some of them are to vague on who they involve so it’s hard to tell who’s involved in it.

[@medea4751]

strawberry chicken nuggets 😭😭

[@etoileshine1011]

Don't forget milk and cereal!(such a stupid name).

[@blakebridges1030]

The only ship I cared about is dead so, I really don't care about these shipping wars.

[@alexanderticonuwu7591]

Out of curiousity, what ship is it?

[@kannonpaul9258]

Alexander Ticonuwu Perhaps it was Blacksun? I’m not answering for them. But it seems like the most logical seeing as how that one actually felt like a relationship.

[@meaghanfabiani1737]

oof

[@Terrance07]

Blake Bridges Let me guess: Arkos?

[@blakebridges1030]

@@alexanderticonuwu7591 Arkos.

[@Davizera1]

RT's been prioritizing fan service over actually telling a story, I really get annoyed by shipping because it got to a point that is dividing the community, I just want to enjoy the show :/

[@MrTigracho]

Yeah. They don't understand they can bring the beauty of romance in a well written story. But it's not something that must be forced but build as the story progress.

[@golddragon8702]

Well said.

[@jackhammertwo1]

It's actually the main reason I quitted the show when they reached Atlas, they focused so much in shipping that the story started to lack (when I left they had been going almost two seasons without a Solid plan to even start to deal with Salem)

[@kelvinlee1469]

Exactly, unless the show is focused on romance, which RWBY is not, the romance should always be secondary. If RWBY started off as a romance with action on the side from the very beginning, then it would be different. RT evidently doesn't know this and is just pandering to please toxic shippers.

[@icecontrol1]

Come on, that is so stupid,,, you say like Yang and Blake take all the spotlight when that so far from the thuth

[@DetectiveBrisket]

I always shipped Blake and Yang however I didn't like how it was implemented.

[@electroanubis3385]

I prefer Blacksun, I mean they literally spend from season 1 to the beginning of season 6 Still waiting for them to reunite in volume 9 or 10

[@MrLightningbob]

I’d love for them to hook up again, especially since she gave him a kiss after saying she wants to be with him again

[@HangLe-es8hq]

I dont like Bumbleby, cant find them cute in fanart either. Their relationship is too rushed it feels shallow

[@massivewhore9696]

I get but if you pay attention like really closely you can see a romance between them starting as early as volume 3. imo the only reason it feels rushed is cause the writers know what will happen if they make it either too obvious or just cannon shippers and non-shipper hate ships that aren't theirs if they make bumblebee cannon shippers with get mad and idiotic homophobes would too. rt doesn't know how to appease both sides so they don't do either 😢🤜🤯🤛🙈

[@violeta5499]

I kinda agree

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

meh too

[@brycenlanager1216]

I think RT’s lack of confirming ships is because they just don’t know how to write romance outside of cute little moments. Which is fine once and awhile but it’s like eating snack food over eating something substantial. They are doing it with BB, they are doing it with Ren and Nora, and they will do it with every ship.

[@greatgallade]

It's their lack of how to write in general. They're idiots over there

[@TheSlamburger]

I think they’re scared of us…

[@jennymckenzie5304]

Thing is, RT DOES know how to write beliveable or at least engaging romances, or at least they did. RvB for all it's MANY faults did manage to create engaging romantic subplots. The whole main story up through season 12 was the result of the Director going TOTALLY overboard with Allison, Church and Tex's "relationship" was both promenant and while frequently used for jokes it did exist (kinda, you know what I mean) and it lent to their chemistry. York and Carolina's ENTIRE story was York following the woman he loves down darker and darker paths as she sought to impress her father and do right by the memory of her mother, until she finally drove him away with a literal and very well choreographed fight and it had genuine long lasting emotional consequences for them both, ones that I at least really really related to. RT's BIGGEST strength has always been creating relatiosnhips of one form or another between their characters, at least to me. That was always why I felt so drawn in, why I enjoyed creating fan-works for their shows. I've never really enjoyed shipping EXCEPT in properties like RvB, early RWBY, etc that really felt like they created engaging relationships. The lack of confirming ships honestly feel like they're cynically baiting, they don't WANT to come down on one side or the other for fear that the old-school audience that DIDN'T leave when they bait-and-switched the tone at the end of S3 will up sticks if the story they're invested in is confirmed as non-canon.

[@Apronika]

I think they’re just nerds who’ve never been able to write natural relationships, let alone natural story beats.

[@BeyondEllisBeck]

I'm not homophobic I swear so please don't get triggered. I personally felt that romance was never needed in the show for any form of progression in character development. I also hope that Blake and Yang are just friends with a sisterly bond rather than anything else. It would just be unnecessarily forced and just to please a certain population of people. Why can't it just be a show where they have a task that needs to be done and then afterwards we see how their lives are after they have a family of their own?

[@AutZentus]

Don't you worry, you are not homophobic for thinking and wanting for blake and yang to be friends with a sisterly bond. If anything that's how they along with ruby and weiss should be at all times.

[@queenmari9636]

As a lesbian, agreed. I hate bmblb. It honestly ruined the show lol. The progression of the ship is awful and the shippers are mostly toxic. It's awful. I wish romance wasn't so important in the storyline

[@rftg1793]

I totally agree with you I wish RT could read this or remember that Monty's purpose was always the importance of sisterhood

[@icecontrol1]

You say like making them a couple would be a literal bad thing like, do you complain were there are couples that don't make sense in other shows

[@danielwilson8604]

@@rftg1793 with as much respect as possible, i don;t think that was the original intent with those two. however it IS perfectly fine that you don't like them together or have misgivings about them.

[@ashadieeyahsultana1062]

“Wait, do you like Whiteose or Nuts and Dolts???” “Yes”

[@_Who_Am_I]

True

[@polubrony8159]

I mean, ruby has 2 hands...

[@MangoMagica]

“That was a long time ago….I’m gay.” God I’m dying 💀

[@matthewflynn5458]

I actively don't participate in fan cultures anymore because of how horrible these things get. People call you the most horrific things for as you said, thinking two characters look cute together. It's so disappointing. Most of the communities that do this are made up of nerds. People like me who were bullied or ashamed about what they liked. And to see them turn around and do the exact same just makes me sad. I appreciate people brave enough to say that it's stupid, like you, because they get fire from both sides. Video that is needed and represents the majority of people who don't want to get called a racial slur when they say they think 2 characters would make a cute couple.

[@jamrockreacts9231]

People just love to be online gangsters

[@candycane4419]

One time someone told me to check my privilege cuz I shipped a popular ship, after they commented really rude stuff on all of my posts about said ship. I just thought it was hilarious for many reasons. Mainly because I’m literally a person that is a minority in almost every sense of the word. So someone throwing around that phrase over something as silly as cartoon characters was funny. Also cuz I usually ship rare pairs if I ship at all, so like I understand having so little content to work with (even though the ship they were shipping was huge as well). It’s just instead of using the energy to create something they enjoy for their ship, they decide to tear down someone else’s joy. That can be said about any ship regardless of size. And that’s sad.

[@tomatobruv76]

"..I am aware of the minefield I am about to step on..." Minefield? Knowing the toxic side of the RWBY fanbase, you're stepping into a field of mines, artillery and mortar fire, AC- 130 bombings, and the Maginot Line boxing you in. Also, Here's my opinion on how I ship in RWBY: I don't- I'm the guy who looks at RWBY and thinks "Oh crap, whats going to happen next?" STORY wise. I never really cared about who is dating who or who I ship who with. It doesn't matter to me. Oh Blake is romantically interested in Yang? Cool. Ren and Nora? Okay... Point is that I'm watching RWBY for it's plot, character development and dialogues. The only thing I hate however is the toxicity that grew within the fanbase because some people just can't get the idea that homosexuality is a thing, or people shit on other people's ships for no goddamned reason. Another thing to note: STOP BULLYING THE WRITERS JUST BECAUSE THINGS DONT WORK OUT FOR YOUR SHIPS--

[@MrTigracho]

She's literally stepping in a minefield with a time bomb attached to her, which counts the time left for the RWBY FNDM to burn her.

[@BumbleCrumble1072]

Which is on Alderaan just before it blows up.

[@sarah795lopez9]

Yo same, honestly I ship in terms of cute fanart and fanfics but do I care about that in the atual show HELL NO, I just want the story what's next,what could possibly happen,how's it gonna end and all that not OMG Ship confirmed

[@lesnarahamilton5674]

that is not true shipping wars are such small part of shipping most do it for fun it's just the wars are powder then everyone assumes all that must be all shipping

[@danielwilson8604]

I had someone call me a braindead re___D sheep and tell me that shippers like me where ruinging the internet for even IMPLYING i liked the show. i hadn't brought up relationships at all. it was my first time on the forums. anti-fandom can be just as abusive as a fandom and i'd like to thank you for addressing both sides of that.

[@butterbread613]

I’m personally a WhiteRose shipper (as said the ship gets pretty cute fanart) however I do see them more just as best friends. That’s a cute idea as well. I don’t think they’d ever actually be canon and honestly knowing that probably just makes me like the ship more. I do not think I’d enjoy it as much if it were canon. Keep on shippin’ guys, just know where the line is and not to cross it. 👍

[@hermitcrab_213]

Shipping in RWBY is so stupid. RT seems to think that characters can only have one romantic interest throughout the whole show and their relationship needs to develop slowly across that time frame. That’s boring and stagnant. I ship Rosegarden, but my head canon is that Ruby would ultimately end up with Weiss. I just wish RT was more straight forward with their intentions. If two characters are going to date, yeah they need to have development first, but set it up so that its obviously the intention. Not every relationship needs to be a vague slow burn. Mix it up, create different dynamics, show us the struggles that come with being in a canon relationship, not just the lead up.

[@incinoburns2858]

I completely agree with you on that statement

[@dragonfly774]

Tbh yeah I agree but I need Rosegarden to happen like oml

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

After the awkward interaction in volume 8, there isn't even a question about it. Rose garden is gonna happen. Honestly after seeing it, i was really happy because i personally really like rose garden. Although just to make it clear, I don't scream at other people who ship White Rose, LadyBug, Nuts and Dolts. But I'm so sorry, because I will argue with ANYONE who says "rubyxyang"

[@hermitcrab_213]

@@cookieaddict5956 who ever said she wasn’t? People can head canon whatever they like, her sexuality has never been confirmed.

[@spookygh0st846]

@@heromahlinakalimullah7886 “nuts and dolts”? Im guessing that’s ruby x penny? Does the community have a nickname for every freaking character interaction?

[@Miragemc1]

I'm fine with bumblebee. It's just set up could be better and the whole bumblebee shippers (fanatical ones that attack people for no liking it.) kind of kills is bit by bit for me. I'm more of a black sun mainly because it was set up from volume 1 all the way to 4,5(?) It had so much build up that I felt like it came as natural if it were to be canon tbh.

[@constantdisappointment5658]

It definitely would have been better if Yang took Blake to Junior's club alone at some point when they were still attending Beacon Academy. Sure, it's something that friends often do together in real life, but the fact that Ruby was so surprised to see Yang at the end of the Yellow trailer means Yang's clubbing activities are sort of a double life for her. She opens up to Blake about Raven, and she was looking for her in the trailer. It could have been equally intimate in their friendship had they continued the search together.

[@azamonra]

Like most things in RWBY, the lack of commitment and planning really hurts the ship for me. If they're together then have them be together. If they want to be together but the whole killing a guy thing is making it hard for them then make that a full on story arc for them as they try to untangle their feelings for each other from killing Adam and everything else involved with that.

[@charizardgamez447]

That was my problem as well. It felt like a reaction to please the community rather than to actually write something that felt natural

[@renegadedjinn5325]

I felt the same way in the BlackSun v BumbleBee shipping war as for the former it was set up early in the show and felt like it was progressing just to have a "subversion of expectations" (yes you can read that with the most arrogant snob voice) to have Blake and Yang love each other. When that happened I was seriously like "Wait...they are seriously doing this? I know there is a ship like in any fandom but really?" Of coarse if you criticize Bumblebee then you're and "-ist" or a "-phobe". I ain't saying how I saw Blake and Yang is the right way. I'm just saying that their relationship felt a bit forced.

[@danielwilson8604]

@@renegadedjinn5325 I think I get where they are going, if that's alright? I thank you for your patience and open minded ness, and understand if you don't want to hear me out.

[@Corithaniel]

I miss Sun. His gunchuk staff was one of the coolest weapons in the series. Also sometimes I just really want to see a bromance on the level of Beastboy and Cyborg from the OG animated Teen Titans in the show. Lucky Charms was the closest we got and I'm sad it came and went so quickly.

[@GameMaster-ig8oo]

What you just described pretty much sums up how She-Ra and the Princesses of Power handled lgbt representation so much more naturally.

[@jexelbur6872]

My favorite ship is Ren and Nora because it’s “one of the most organic concepts” from the show. I really like Ren, he reminds me of myself: mostly quiet but will say something meaningful. And Nora is one of my favorite characters because she’s so hysterical but takes herself seriously. I do miss some of the one-sided banter they had like in the first 3 seasons. Nora says or does something ridiculous, Ren replies with something logical, and Nora replies with something ridiculous. (i.e. “Boop”) It’s also the most realistic relationship, and not as contrived as others in RWBY. Yeah it’s confusing how the writers are on and off about them dating, but there are worse relationships in RWBY, and more so in other shows. My only gripe is that while Nora is the most talkative, we don’t know a lot about her. Yeah she’s an orphan, but how did that happen? Was she separated from her parents? Did they die? I’m not saying the show should hit the breaks on the main plot, even though it already does. But the show should give us some details on Nora’s character. Like how she got struck by lightning.

[@handhelder823]

I agree, though I think that showing how Ren feels about Nora would be better as well as backstory to Nora

[@demetriusprime1505]

You know when I heard Nora say "Just friends huh? Two people that have gone through that much? I think there's more going on..." I honestly laughed. Me: So what like you and Ren who have gone through so much since childhood... And only NOW there's something more going on. Like two people can go through a lot of shit and still be just friends... *COUGH NARUTOXSASUKEFORLIFE COUGHCOUGH*

[@Zerum69]

Everyone knows the only REAL relationship is Zwei and Oobleck

[@vetkoek_luise5012]

I-

[@heromahlinakalimullah7886]

Now this... this... This I can support.

[@castelliacak3792]

yes

[@electroanubis3385]

Man's best friend

[@professorbingchingler9503]

Sun returning to fight Adam would’ve been the coolest thing ever; Sword man vs. Monkey Gun-chucks

[@arthur9491]

Let's face it, shipping toxicity, no matter how small or huge it is, is inevitable in all forms of media. And great video. I liked it

[@captainconway2236]

My problem with the ships in this show is the Pacing, and the Toxicity of their respective fandoms. You said it best, most RWBY shippers, or at least the vocal ones, see shipping as an argument to be had, and it causes too much infighting within the Fandom. Like just chill and all agree we still love the show. Also, I don't like the pacing for things in the show (in general as well, not just with ships). Everything is so rushed, and comes out of nowhere when it is shoved into our face, or it is started and then shoved to the side until waaaay later where they bring it back up and say, "hey look remember this?" and I hate it. Exibit A, Bumblebee; I love this Ship and was a hardcore shipper of it back in season 2&3, but then Blake had two full seasons of development with just Sun, and then he just leaves, and Yang goes from, "You left me when i was at my weakest, and needed you the most," to having a romantic relationship in the course of one season. I love this show, which is why I care that this show is being paced horribly.

[@Nikolai_The_Crazed]

Ya know, if they wanted to do the whole Bumblebee thing for the fans, they _really_ should’ve put more work into it. These two somehow managed start a relationship, when they hardly talked, and spent a good chunk of time separated. They tried the whole, “she left me, and I needed her” thing, but there was no real relationship built up before hand. They shared a dance once, and had maybe one real moment before that dance, but not much else. But people on the Reddit and Twitter call you a homophobe for thinking, “hey, this romance plot sucks. Why’d they do this if it’s so lazy.”

[@thomasraines1396]

It’s crazy.

[@lucky-fl8rx]

After all these ship wars, I rather just have Oscar as the main character. Unproblematic smol boi 🥺

[@misfitwhocares7554]

I ship myself with Ironwood because Daddy Issues

[@SayoShiroi]

One of my favorite parts of literally any show is seeing how different characters interact with each other. It doesn't need to be romantic, in fact I thrive off of strong friendships because that's what I personally value in my relationships. This is why I like watching sports anime, which have some of the best character interactions imo. For ex, in Haikyuu, Kageyama and Hinata are the same 'set'. However, this doesn't mean that we only see them interact. Hinata and Kageyama both have their own set of relationships that they have. The way Kageyama interacts with Suga is different than Hinata interacting with Suga. Hinata is friends with Kenma, Kageyama is less so. Literally all of Karasuno is a bunch of little 'groups', but they all have believable team status and all have different relationships with people in their team, outside of their groups. And its this type of interactions that makes me forgive the large casts that sports anime tend to have. In RWBY, we hardly ever see such character interactions, which is my problem with how the show is currently handling shipping. I literally do not care if Bumblebee or White Rose or Renora is canon. But I will care if those ships are hindering on the characters ability to have other relationships. Characters are put into a group and hardly venture making relationships outside that group. We're told that they're all good friends but I struggle with the idea that Ren would see Weiss as a friend, because we've literally never saw them interact at all. There's so much potential to have cute character interactions and relationships but it's all thrown aside to show what relationships we already know of. The only characters I can remember off the top of my head having relationships with other people outside their immediate team is Ruby, Oscar, and Jaune. And even then, Ruby barely talks to Blake, someone who she should have a strong friendship with, and yet I'm left here thinking that between her friendship between Blake and Penny, she's much closer to Penny then she is with Blake. So yeah. I don't dislike ships simply because I don't ship it, but because those ships are making character relationships difficult, something that is pretty important with a large cast of characters. It's a team oriented show. Let me believe that they would actually be part of a single team, and not two teams calling themselves one team.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Ah, another person who loves how characters interact with each other.

[@joyc.e.7511]

I couldn't agree more! After watching Haikyuu!! my standards for friendship in media has gone up and I strive to make the friendships in my own stories as natural and strong as in Haikyuu!! The strong friendships also make the shipping fun, because the characters already get along so well. It shows that a strong friendship should be the base for a romantic relationship.

[@superfortune96]

Lucky Charms is just so adorable. They had such a great dynamic and I wish we got to see more of them together (even if Clover is almost never with Qrow) throughout the show.

[@trueblaze84]

7:00 "You've work with a team before right?" "A long time ago." "I'm gay" LMAO, I admit that almost made me do a spit take XD.

[@RedDragonForce2]

Shipping is one thing, saying a ship is “canon”, is a bit much, especially when, like RWBY, it’s not explicitly stated or shown. Thanks for a good video!

[@general_silver3050]

My own issue with this Bumblebee feels like it got thrown at us. Like in volume 7 if they built it more I would have been more okay with the way they threw Sun out the window completely. Ren and Nora I do think they are dating because of when he was about to attack Neo disguised at her, he quickly found himself severely weakened to the point of tears something we really haven’t seen him do in a long time. Bumblebee felt for the longest times like a sister thing. But I can see how that can develop further yet it feels like the issue with Volume 6 did jump the gun on. Had they kinda eased and teased at it throughout the volume like they did with a lot of Sun and Blake im sure not many would have been angry. Either way shipping is not what I’m here for I am here for the Badass Qrow moments :p

[@Just_Ryan]

I love how well you put this video. Shipping is supposed to be F.U.N., like you said. The FNDM really needs to understand what is canon and what is not. I kinda want to share my hot takes on shipping itself. 1. I never really liked Bumbleby (yes, flame me in the comments). I actually have a reason why I dislike it. No, not because I’m homophobic! I’m nowhere near homophobia, that’s F’d up. The reason why I don’t like this ship is because the chemistry between the two feels flat and not well-earned. Blake and Yang never share meaningful convos with each other, nor affection. They only share looks and doesn’t become separated. Plus, it ruins the team dynamic for RWBY. Instead of R W B Y, they’re now R W BY. My other problem is Yang. Her character changed MAJORLY after Volume 5. In the early volumes she cared for Ruby as a sister, spends time with family (i.e. Qrow in V3), and Yang is the only one that found out that Raven is the Spring Maiden (still needs to come out and say it). In V6 onwards, she feels brand new. Yang doesn’t share any of the development that I just mentioned. What does the writers do with her character? They ignored it. Yang spends her time attached to Blake and doesn’t thank Ironwood for the metal arm. Yang thought it would be a good idea to go behind his back and tell Robyn about the tower. It seems the fans doesn’t care if Yang and/or Blake gets blamed for on hiding details and sharing it out with any random stranger. I feel like the more and more these two get paired, the worst it’s going to be for the rest of the group. If it doesn’t become canon then it’s fine. If I don’t like the ship, then I don’t have to like it. I feel like they care for each other as friends only, no romance. 2. I feel uncomfortable about RoseGarden being canon in the show. I don’t think I can see Ruby and Oscar in a relationship. I just see them as friends and nothing more. I love Oscar for having so much development as a character in the show, but seeing him in a relationship with Ruby or any other female feels weird. As for Ruby, I love how she’s building up as a team leader for everyone. The only love I can see her in is her job as a huntress and her scythe. The two of them are socially awkward. Plus, protect the farm boi. 3. I get a massive headache when the topic of romance in RWBY gets discussed. The show is about students that train to be professional huntsmen and huntresses from the terrifying Grimm. The task for the show is stopping Salem, gathering relics, uncovering truths, learning about the important stuff, etc. etc. RWBY is all about Action, Adventure, Drama, and Suspense. There is no romance involved with the show. The genre of the show doesn’t have any of these: Romance, Ecchi, Shoujo, Slice of Life, Yaoi, Yuri. That’s nowhere close to what RWBY is. The fact that people only watch RWBY for the ships and nothing else is upsetting for me. 4. Every RWBY Q&A is predictable. I feel like all the panels’ Q&A segments I see is basically the Phineas and Ferb of the panel. I say this because every episode of P&F starts with the two knowing what they want to do, the friends join in on the fun and becomes a whole musical, Perry goes and fight Doof, his “Inator” gets defeated and makes the boy’s invention vanish like nothing happen. It’s a common cycle. With the RWBY Q&A’s it starts with interesting questions about how everyone feels about the volume, what they could see, and how the show can improve. There’s also the funny questions, which I won’t go into full detail. And last you’ll have people who will ask Arryn or Barbara about Blake, Yang, Blake and Yang, or Bumbleby. That’s the common cycle of the panel. Those are my hot takes on the whole shipping nonsense. The fans need to understand about “moving on” if it doesn’t happen. If Bumbleby doesn’t become canon, the fans are going to riot, accuse the company AGAIN about queer baiting, and cancel their FIRST memberships/stop supporting Rooster Teeth. We’re grown adults, not crybabies. Let’s try to be subtle about this and make shipping fun, instead of forcing it down the show’s storyline.

[@whoevencares123]

As a queer person myself, my biggest problem with Bumblee is the fact that I don't feel like it's actually a good representation? Like, I get why the "we're protecting each other" scene exists, but it's simply BS. From the moment Blake and Yang killed Adam, Blake has been this helpless princess who needs to be constantly saved and complimented, she can't stand on her own without Yang. At this point, it doesn't make her any different from any other damsel in distress who exists solely to be male MC's love interest(only in this case, it's another female MC). It's not really about representation, it's about Blake and Yang overall losing their identities and becoming these parts that can't be separated, they exist to be in love and that's it.

[@brianheroic9543]

I think a lot of the issues people have with the show in general is caused by Rooster Teeth trying to appease every possible audience member, which causes way too much ambiguity, whether that be within the characters' relationships, morals, or whatever. Like how they try to make Ozpin seem "evil" or at least morally grey, but last time I checked, he hasn't done a lot of inherently bad things. And I genuinely liked BMBLB until RT just kinda tacked it on with the story to appease fans with little to no buildup. (geez, I forgot how little I'm able to talk about this because everyone can be so toxic about it, I'm glad there's a few places people can safely talk about it without having to fear for the extreme toxicity of an uncontrolled fanbase)

[@flxklr8698]

The big issue people take up with bumblebee isn't the fact they tried making it canon, it's that they tried making it canon without it making any sense. Most of the people that hate it do so because 1) The rabid shippers that treat any criticism towards it as a personal attack; and 2)How they came to be a couple in the show was written badly. To a lot of people that hate bb it's because they see it as RT's latest attempt at pandering to a portion of the community by shoehorning something into the plot (like they did the whole election thing in v7). I could comment my personal feelings on bb, but i'd rather not, as it's liable to start a (pardon the expression)shitstorm in the comment section and I don't want to do that.

[@Jobrosfan44]

amazing how critter touched on this exact comment

[@icecreamhero2375]

I would have characters date right away and not tease it.

[@khora3845]

Bumblebee would have been better if they had gotten together sometime during Volume 3, as there was enought setup between Blake and Yang in the first three volumes

[@danielwilson8604]

@@khora3845 i kind of see where they are going but respect your critique.

[@azamonra]

@@khora3845 I agree.

[@BardicMadness]

My problem with bumblebee was the most intense when Yang grabbed blake and led her to safety during the whole mine thing. Ruby was right there. Relationships dont get rid of deep sibling ties the idea that Yang and especially Blake seem so disconnected from the team annoys me even more than it used to cause since they were "Official shipped" The divide between the two pairs of girls has gotten bigger.. I want more friendship over shipping. Its why I like white rose. Ruby and Weiss seem to be getting closer and even if they are just friends its good to get more close friendship damn it. The other and main reason I love white rose is because of how they are both growing off learning from eachother. Weiss has become so much more of a goofball.

[@AZDfox]

Ruby was the safest person there. She was the least affected, AND had her silver eyes. As opposed to Blake, who was the most affected person.

[@quakywacky8048]

I don’t really ship rosegarden but not for the “ethical dilemmas”, I’m a lancaster shipper so its pretty hypocritical to bring up the age gap. I just prefer Jaune as a partner for Ruby than Oscar (Also Jaune is better than Oscar in general don’t @ me). I doubt Ruby is getting with anyone any time soon and yeah I totally agree with the “married to her job thing”, though I can see Jaune as a stay at home dad down the line

[@trucetruce335]

What’s lance caster?

[@The-Creeper69]

@@trucetruce335 jaune and ruby

[@captainrandom7935]

FINALLY A VOICE OF REASON. Sorry I just really appreciate this video and the reasoning behind it because, although it’s a small portion, the RWBY shippers can be pretty terrifying, I do like the fan art though. But yeah I agree, I do think RT has handled the whole thing poorly, but I disagree on one count, I personally want to see more confirmed ships in media. I hate ship baiting in general. Setting up a relationship is fine but if their is not action taken just to string fans along, it gets on my nerves. Anyway I like stuff with confirmed ships and marriages because I want to see the drama that can be created as people try to balance relationships in these crazy scenarios. I mean maybe not in RWBY but hey, the whole Catadora thing basically being confirmed for most of Season 5 of She-ra saved that show for me towards the end. Anyway that’s my hot take My ships at the moment (they may change), Rose Garden, Black Sun, Weiss needs to deal with her family stuff first and Yang needs to find someone else because frankly I think she deserves better then what Blake can offer. I’m hoping their will be a new char coming around the corner who can truly care for her and make more cute fan art.

[@icecontrol1]

You ignore how from the other side there are people who just hate on the show like adel aka, the guy makes videos from the smallest things and complain about plot-points that have been talked to death

[@jsoan]

These ship names are so creative

[@tamithomas3441]

more creative than the writers of the show

[@iantkach6640]

"Some people got in a tizzy when Yang and Blake started showing interest in each other, when they've only ever shown interest in boys before." Yeah, because it's not like bisexuality exists or that some people discover their sexuality later in life, right?! I swear, some fans are just... ugh.

[@SydCar]

See, the difference here is the same issue that people have when talking about writing realistic dialogue. In fiction, there is a certain quota you have to fill to convince your audience that you have a handle of your characters. In other words, being "realistic" or "true to real life" is not the end of writing good dialogue. And the same is true for characterization. The whole "bisexuality exists" and "people can discover their sexualities later in life" is basically handwaving a lot of responsibility the writers have of properly characterizing their characters. For example, a character believes in doing things properly and being merciful and has always done so except for this one instance in a climactic battle where they suddenly execute their opponent. There's always the argument that people change. People can be disillusioned. People can be hypocritical. But you HAVE to show the mentality shift. It has to be there, and it has to be CLEAR that progress is being made. OR if it was a genuine flaw in the character, it has to be acknowledged as one (in the case of a hypocritical character). Otherwise, it comes across as oversight. The excuse that people aren't consistent with their behavior doesn't work in the realm of writing because that is a sign of poor characterization. It HAS to be set up otherwise it is by definition a character inconsistency. If Yang and Blake (despite showing an interest in boys) suddenly started showing interest in girls only later in the series, then it WILL come across as pandering and backfooting on established character. When it comes to the complicated issue of sexual orientation, you honestly can't half-ass it because people are hypersensitive/hypervigilant about it. Carelessly dipping your toes in when you aren't even sure you're going to commit is just going to piss off both sides here. Sometimes people just need to be clear. No one can logically say that their orientations were all set from the beginning. That would be obvious bullshit. All I'm saying is that making changes midway and then running with the narrative that it was always the plan is going to piss people off. Nothing is more aggravating than a creator with no clear direction. Audiences don't like getting the rug pulled from under them. You'll only get a positive reaction from "subverting expectations" from fans if you earn it. Retconning is just begging your fans to antagonize each other.

[@mattpace1026]

@@SydCar Same reason I can't stand what they did to Willow in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If they wanted to make her lesbian, still dumb but okay, but it was not okay to have it come out of nowhere. It's telling the audience "Don't get invested in any part of this, it might end at any point for no reason."

[@AshXXMayftw]

Here's my opinion when it comes to shipping and how it's implemented into a show by its creators. Shipping itself is perfectly fine, just don't go overboard if someone else thinks differently. And when it comes to creators making couples out of their characters I ask for only one thing: make it feel natural. Have them interact whenever they can, whether it's for laughs or not. Have them comfort each other when times are tough and argue when they disagree or get frustrated with each other. Doing this helps define their relationship. And it's for this reason I can't really get behind the shipping of Yang and Blake. They may have had a few small scenes together, but I'm hard pressed to think of any worthwhile interactions outside of those. It felt more like fan fiction than anything if you ask me.

[@queenmari9636]

Exactly

[@MrMacman6969]

I just started watching this show and one thing I've noticed about the fandom is that they blend reality and fiction far to much

[@MrBlorp-sf9ye]

I just kinda drifted away from the fandom after I felt the series had started running stale. When I start getting back, here go the ship wars! And I just ignored it, cuz what do I care? I wanna watch the show. Totally unrelated, but all well, I just had to dump this somewhere.

[@sugdolomar]

It's a good thing I do OC shipping more than canon character shipping.

[@octoberviberations233]

Ah yes the power of imagination

[@jedimeyer1298]

Carte blanche, anyone?

[@Miss_Mikiqo]

Yup, that's what I do. I like to build up my own stories in my head with OC's and I commission fanart of said OC's and whoever I ship them with all the time. It's always a good time for me personally.

[@SetSeth-yl6ke]

@@Miss_Mikiqo Can tell what you mean by the pfp. But yeah any story a fan makes by someone else is MILES better than actual rwby writing so i can get behind what you mean.

[@Miss_Mikiqo]

@@SetSeth-yl6ke Agreed

[@fide1is]

"Shipping is fun" Me: *looks at the BNHA community, mainly the stuff like Deku x All Might* yes......... It's "fun"

[@blake3631]

*shivers* I love BNHA, I'm even a manga reader (only other anime to hold that title is beastars...which I regret. Heavily after arc 3.) but dear fucking lord the ships. The only ones I 'ship' is Deku and Uraka for obvious reasons. That and the other most popular ship for him involves someone who literally told Deku to kill himself. Yes yes- I know Bakugo changes a *lot* especially after that thing that happened very recently. But regardless...just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@Revsoshi]

@@blake3631 well hey character development exists. While I think bkdk is werid I can see the appeal

[@blake3631]

@@Revsoshi to be honest, I really can't. No matter how much Bakugo changes, he can't change the past. He took a bullet for deku in the recent chapters but he in the end, still told deku to kill himself. I can't see someone letting a person who told them to KYS get so close in life they become a lover. that, and I feel it's another case of people shipping something gay because it's gay and not for any actual hints or development.

[@Revsoshi]

@@blake3631 Well I guess I can agree with that. I tend to ship things based off emotions and not sexuality but I'm also not a young girl who's in her fujoshi gay fetishist phase lol

[@Revsoshi]

@@blake3631 Though I will say I can't really see anything in the show being cannon at the moment. The best I could root for is Deku and Uraraka and maybe Shouta and Mic

[@barrettsoth1092]

FUCKING. THANK YOU. I dont understand why there are those that feel that whole "your ship is wrong and you are offensive as a result" thing. I agree with almost everything you said in this video. I constantly compare this show to The Dragon Prince, because there are SO MANY THINGS RWBY could learn. Emphasis, but not obsession, tasteful introductions to LGBTQ+ Concepts, just GOOD CHARACTERS BEFORE RELATIONSHIPS. It frustrates me so much, because I used to adore RWBY. But now I don't want to even talk about it with friends. I ADORE Penny and Weiss as characters. Not as a ship though. White Knight is def my go-to. But I really don't like saying so in larger discussions (this being the exception). Regardless, EXCELLENT points, excellent video.

[@shadowofdimentio4618]

White Rose is adorable, my favourite ship and I kinda hope it never happens. I just can't see Roosterteeth ever doing it properly without it kind of being really awkward and forced, as well as pointless. I agree that Ruby's motivations make it really hard for her to settle down with any of the cast, and I'd be happy with ending up single. But I'm gonna devour those White Rose fanfics like there's no tomorrow.

[@orhblin]

Same, it's just a really awkward place to be in sometimes. I enjoy the hints and nods in the show, but the good material comes in the form of fanfics.

[@Napstablooky]

I generally don't mind shipping, but in a meta way I absolutely hate shipping in RWBY because it completely takes over discussions about the show entirely. Shipping should be fun I 100% argee with, but half the time if anyone mentions anything about shipping you basically abandon talking about the plot or character development or literally anything about the story to have a shipping war. If people stopped shipping all together it'd make this show better IMO, and if people stopped having shipping wars it'd make the show better, but I don't see either happening.

[@sunnysunsins_4920]

WOW THANK YOU SO MUCH! This was some really tasty tea! And especially for the Rosegarden bit.. not gonna lie, i was almost in tears. I was so tired of getting hate for just being happy those two dorks got a moment together... And you talking about everything I ever wanted to say to the haters moved me so much, I was *this* close to crying happy tears. On the other bits as well - the best kind of tea! I hope those toxic idiots will stumble onto your video and finaly will get why everyone asks them to shut up

[@nodermark8922]

Favorite ships 1. Blacksun (I love the way they interact so much) 2. Whiteknight ( Its weird that I love this ship as much a Blacksun in fanfics, but if it were to ever develop in the show i would hate it) 3. Nut and dolts / Rosegarden (difficult to choose)

[@electroanubis3385]

Agree with no. 1

[@Fefedefefessle]

Ships are like a lot of things in RWBY - exciting and full of potential, and then sort of a let down when they happen. I think Bumblebee coulda had some real chemistry, but then vol 2 happened, and then vol 4, and 5.... And 6.... And 7............... I'm still out here waiting for that good Weiss x Pyrrha content.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Agreed. Also, the shippers made me hate Bumblebee even though I was neutral to it before.

[@WrathNebula321]

Honestly, the Bumblebee shipping can get out of hand, especially with the fan art, I mean yes, there's nothing against making fan art and such, but when it goes into rule 34 category, it goes WAY too far. I mean no disrespect to the people who make that art, all the power to y'all, but when some of this stuff can be found on certain sites, that's when I have to say no.

[@Plantedaphid07]

But Prytha is dead, unless you mean fanfics

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Crusader #1 Probably

[@nytaris]

@@WrathNebula321 you think r34 of Bumblebee is bad? i've accidentally stumbled across stuff of Ruby/Yang and it is just,,, yikes. at least with Bumblebee its a semi canon ship and reasonable, but man, how the hell do you justify incest

[@diveintobricks8216]

Once upon a time ago, you used to be able to like the show AND ship at the same time. I'll say it, i used to ship Bumblebee. Not as much as others, it was a lower tier ship for me. But then the Wasps (People who viciously ship Bumblebee, you know who they are) ruined it for me. Instead of "Hey, look at my fun fan art!" it was "Praise my ship or die", and that's what makes shipping such a fuss nowadays. Instead of being small mini-fandoms within a larger community, shipping has become cult-like with people going on whole social media crusades. The problem isn't shipping itself, but the people who are for whatever reason, absolutely poised to make their ship the ONLY ship.

[@icecontrol1]

You ignore that there is a a loud hatedom from the show, like look how there are almost daily videos from people complaining about things that have been talked to death (like Adam) yet still do it for the views

[@AZDfox]

I have literally never seen anyone do that

[@allychat8496]

On the topic of characters sexual orientation; as a transwoman and attracted to women, I can say that most of not all LGBTI+ people don’t want to be known as just their sexuality or gender identity. We are people first and foremost so I have to agree that I only think sexuality should be brought up if it supports character development or the storyline at hand. We don’t call Yang the bisexual character, we call Yang the fierce warrior because that’s what she is.

[@Zoten001]

FINALLY! Someone gets it! Yes, go ahead and do any kind of inclusive canon ship you want, but make it make sense in regards to the characters and overall story!

[@Lonipok]

Yang Blake was a mistake because of the severe lack of interactions. Sun makes more sense as hes interacted with Blake a ton more and has on screen chemistry with her. There were 2 entire volumes with Sun going out of his way to help Blake. And while just helping her doesn't automatically make them an couple its a lot more believable than Yang Blake does. I dont remember any blush blush moments when Blake looks at Yang volumes 1-3.

[@chrisspigelmyer5855]

Volume 7 episode 3

[@spookygh0st846]

@023 Studios Well said. Sun’s had those interactions since season 1 which is why its way better.

[@lordjav1320]

The only ship I care about is Tai x Qrow Tai needs the three way sweep.

[@andrewlance3898]

You mean Taiyang "Entire Team" Xiao Long?

[@bigzaria]

Idk qrow dating his sisters baby daddy doesn't sit right

[@lordjav1320]

@@bigzaria Yes but he's already done it with Summer and Raven so by doing it with qrow we get the sweep the community gets a man on man ship and the anticipation of us seeing Ravens reaction will keep me on until volume fifteen. Nobody looses.

[@renegadedjinn5325]

To this day I still think the funniest episode of "RWBY Chibi" was when Tai and Qrow were called to Ozpin's office cause Blake and Yang were in trouble. Them acting like a married couple was hilarious.

[@books2438]

Silver Spade it was Ruby and Yang but yeah it was hilarious lmao

[@gingerchic8762]

You bringing up renora made me physically shake air because I feel that frustration. I love ren and nora. Nora is like my spirit animal so hopefully we get answers this next volume

[@Midnight-Starfish]

Remember when the reason we shipped these characters together just to make silly pun names because Barbara made puns? Good times.

[@xillancommander]

Hot damn, you literally covered my entire feelings on shipping in this show! This video is amazing and I love how you presented the topic so eloquently ( as a opposed to being inflammatory) but in no uncertain terms to get across your point!

[@meganjankowski1124]

My favorite ship is Ruby with herself (a.k.a Aroace Ruby). I don't know a single aroace character in any show so some rep from roosterteeth would mean the world to me!

[@Ethan-nl2wg]

Even though I like rosegarden I support ace ruby

[@constantdisappointment5658]

There are so many characters in the show--too many, if I'm being honest--they could use it to their advantage by providing a ton of representation. Ruby could be aro/ace and it explains why she didn't care about finding someone to go to the dance with, and Ren could be straight/allosexual but his reserved personality explains his similar disinterest. I'll admit I was waiting for Blake to have internal conflict with her budding feelings towards Yang, as some people figure out their sexuality later. Meanwhile, Yang maybe had always known she likes boys and girls.

[@PIRATEOTR]

I mean at least as she's currently written Ruby feels pretty aroace. I'm down for it.

[@danishsyed1068]

Frankly this is my head canon unless they do Lancaster because actually makes sense

[@thecrusaderking4835]

@@danishsyed1068 white rose is much more seen though, i mean jaune is still griefing last i checked

[@beanbroly]

The ship wars is something I avoided, but could never escape. But hey, this is coming from someone with a crackship. Something completely out of the battle

[@ez7145]

Recently, I rewatched the first 3 volumes to try and see if Blake and Yang had chemistry or if the ship was largely created on a whim. I was pleasantly surprised actually- there were actually quite a few moments there with enough emotional weight to support a ship. That being said, I can't help but wonder why so many people seem to say that they only ever interacted in the later volumes...