Ryan Grim's DEI Take Sparks Controversy

[@TheDenac]

Trusting lawsuits to handle diversity issues in the workplace while republicans have been focused on the the courts and judges for years feels like the worst idea

[@radiofreered]

Trusting corporations to mete out racial equity is not a good idea.

[@MrBazBake]

Criminalize discrimination instead of leaving it to civil court, then.

[@shengwin2052]

The courts have more teeth though to really make change. Giving up the fight in court which has real power in exchange for half ass DEI programs plays exactly in the hands of the corporations

[@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong]

@@radiofreered Of course not, doesn't discount what they said though

[@davidlegrice4207]

Cenk Uyghur would have thrown a huge hissy fit if it had been his tweet Sam was talking about. Congrats to Ryan for being able to handle criticism without acting like a child!

[@Ipraytopesci]

Ryan is a much more serious person than Cenk is.

[@peterthegreat996]

Cenk is to emotional. I could never get into his presentation

[@marciukspuks5353]

they both are liberals so they both agree. especially in the context of total loss.

[@Coracora-he9pz]

Agree or disagree with him, he’s an intellectually honest guy. Sometimes his takes will be wrong(I don’t agree with him here),but they don’t come from a bad place. He’s one of the best journalists the left has.

[@marciukspuks5353]

@@Coracora-he9pz he is definitely the best journalist we got if you want to defeat bernie or ukrainians.

[@riccapoo]

It pisses me off when they scrap an entire program because of a few perceived abuses. FIX IT. It's like tearing down your house because your water heater quit working.

[@peterthegreat996]

Mend it don’t end it

[@maxpower8429]

You guys never complained you only defended. Kind of your guys fault

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@maxpower8429 Who are you talking to in your imagination? Who are you mad at & why are you taking it out on strangers?

[@maxpower8429]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 this is why you lose 😂 can’t even engage with the topic, you go straight to emotional argument

[@coryneff7048]

​@@maxpower8429 how is it emotional to ask for clarification?

[@paulatobler8354]

As someone who works in disability rights, Ryan is mistaken about how these things work. This is where you need to know how EEOC and other complaints work in practice and how DEIA works in practice. You don’t have to give PR victories to corporations who are performative, but we definitely need something within workplaces other than relying on the EEOC, which is overwhelmed and unable to even pretend to keep up with illegal discrimination. Please also do your homework and correct your view of accessibility being expensive. You are hurting working class solidarity when you repeat the corporate talking points that accommodating disabled employees is expensive (statistics show it is not any many accommodations are free).

[@nejolo9563]

His take on DEIA program being shut down being a favor didn’t sit right with me. Thank you for that information. I’m hoping he should know better but who knows.

[@MrBazBake]

What bugs me is how everything that actually takes power from the right is a win for the right if the right gets really angry and vice-versa. DEI is effective at increasing profits 19% on average, decreasing pay gaps, increasing morale, and increasing racial and gender opinions of employees. Grim seems to not want to acknowledgedge this because of this class reductionist idea that a N_zi saying N_zi things happened and he thinks losing the N_zi is the worst thing. The Dems didn't lose because of DEI or trans rights, they lost because of a genocide and skyrocketing poverty and military budgets. But white leftist reductionists and white Dems seem conditioned to view the opinions of the most intractable and anti-information white person as their primary audience for building solidarity instead of the only person who actually opposes it and therefore needs to be destabilized and decentered. Until they figure that out, Dems will keep letting Republicans shut down thousands of polling places in exclusively black and Latino districts and them stand in shock as white racists don't reward them for playing along with the disenfranchisement.

[@jbrownil]

Maybe I missed something but I don't think Ryan is saying there's no benefit to DEIA but that it works to defuse the energy of a movement pushing for something more. This is partially why it was so quickly adopted by these institutions and elevated for PR purposes. As Matt said "civil rights without the class politics". I think Grim is correct but it's a complex issue and depending on your goals or your experience that gives you a different perspective. It could be a double edge sword and maybe that's a side benefit for the private sector--divide your opposition.

[@thedebatemechannel4746]

Paula I'd LOVE to have you on, to talk about this. In my view DEI is being used as the new N word, which is why 98% of the benefactors, NEVER get talked about....they usually only pull it out for "black" people.

[@gnostic268]

Thank you. Well said.

[@theroachman2112]

Note: costco gave the workers a raise

[@PinkSakuraBunnie]

Thank you for that update!

[@undisputedchamp4317]

Huge win for the teamsters!

[@missinterpretation4984]

Years ago when I started DEI training at work I felt defensive. I always felt race didn’t matter to me. But I was open minded and stuck with it and realized that’s a very privileged thing to do. In one training they shared a graph showing women’s performance reviews were like 94% based on whether ppl liked them. All the male executives were shocked and I laughed out loud because any woman could’ve told you that. And I know there are things that would shock me on a graph that minorities would be like yeah we live that every day. That’s why when people tell me their experience, I listen. I believe then. I appreciate my DEI training so much and I can understand people’s initial defensiveness but we have to push through that to grow.

[@Ish-k4l]

You don’t think that whether your boss (whether they’re male or female)likes or doesn’t like you affects your performance review as a man?

[@MrBazBake]

DEI actually builds solidarity, polling shows the positive impact on employee attitudes and their respect for each other. It ALSO boosts profits by about 19% on average. But Ryan wants the solidarity without the building, which is why identity politics was coined by the Latina, black, and queer Combahee River Collective. White women wanted black women to fight for white women's rights. Black men wanted black women to fight for black men's rights. Black women were suffering brutally from both and being offered succor by neither. Their counter was that solving black women's problems first would solve problems for people up the hierarchy too, those people would have to be locked into more effort than fighting for themselves. When Ryan Grim talks about identity politics, I just hear these women say, "You're not a revolutionary, you're 50 years behind the curve trying to harness the energy of the oppressed to solve your problems and create new oppression." I side with the CRC. If we fought for Palestinians, Trump wouldn't be in office. If we fought for immigrants, Trump wouldn't be in office. If we fought for the poor, Trump wouldn't be in office. Instead, we sacrificed all of them so the white upper middle class would feel safe. And we all got F_CKED. So no more. The least are first. Mark it and live it.

[@missinterpretation4984]

@@Ish-k4l Yea but it’s much more balanced with competencies. Do you understand what 94% means? It means no matter how credentialed, experienced, effective you are, you’re reduced to being likable. My male counterparts can be assertive, blunt, set boundaries and make occasional mistakes while still being respected and judged on merit. I work in a male dominated industry and the amount of overlooking personal failures because he performs well is staggering. Whereas if a woman says a wrong thing in a meeting it takes months to repair credibility. And I have 20 years of examples as well as third party data to confirm. Open your mind to the fact that you don’t know everything.

[@Ish-k4l]

All I did was ask a question and you can’t help but be condescending at the beginning and end of your reply. Nowhere did I insinuate that I know everything. I’m sure you think you do though, right.

[@arielleritchie2011]

⁠@@Ish-k4ldo you think the point this person was making was that men’s performance reviews never rely partly on people liking them? Orrrrr do you think the assertion was that women, regardless of skill, experience, or work ethic, must always be people pleasers and be sweet and patient toward everyone in the work place in order to get good performance reviews? And that this phenomenon is so prevalent that most women are always hyper-aware of needing people to like them and force themselves to conform to these expectations in the workplace? And yes, of course many men feel like being likable helps them in their careers, but. . . if men aren’t people pleasers they are likely to be referred to as a “shark” or “takes no shit”, whereas a woman who isn’t a people pleaser is viewed simply as a bitch.

[@gidgyb1359]

I love all of these straight white people saying DEI is the problem. I saw a reduction in bullying, an opportunity to escalate if my immediate supervisor was discriminating against me, and more diverse hiring which led to a better work culture and success for the company.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Yes. It's no surprise...

[@pbcrispy]

Exactly my thoughts while watching this

[@bklyntonw3187]

Diverse hiring of qualified POC, which the private sector was reluctant to do and DEI helped with this.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

To be fair, while I don't agree with Ryan's entire position his central claim is that DEI *as implemented* in many large corporations is a bare minimum policy developed top down by white CEOs to do the absolute bare minimum to then deflect blame for any harder to fix problems that still cause disadvantage for marginalised groups on to others. I do think there's some truth to that, and while they can still achieve good things accepting those policies uncritically means losing the framework in which that disadvantage can be more completely analysed and mitigated. Personally I think accepting those policies with extensive critique rather than wholesale binning them is a better approach but it's not like he's saying that DEI is the new racism like the right is.

[@Trazynthekleptomaniac69]

DEI is a band-aid, and it benefits the poor the least

[@Usernotfound31231]

9:40 “I’m provocative” ok but why provoke the specific demographics you later go on to want credit for championing?

[@brianzembruski5485]

You tried, Ryan. You're just wrong.

[@MrRon3278]

The bill on protections of African American hairstyles in the workplace is an example of DEI. Somehow our hair is often deemed as “unprofessional” and businesses would threaten termination on employees that refuse to abide their rules. Employees sued the company and won because its a discrimination suit.

[@thegamerboneless2864]

They should've named it WORKERS RIGHTS. AMERICANS ARE PRETTY SLOW, THEY ONLY SEE WHAT PEOPLE TELL THEM.

[@Soft-m2m]

It doesn’t matter what you call it or where it’s in use. They didn’t have a scary boogeyman for discrimination being taught about in schools, so they called it Critical Race Theory knowing none of their base cared what CRT actually was. They’re not just happening upon these things and genuinely being frightened by poorly named features; cruelty is the point. Same way that labor unions don’t have a scary name, but that’s never stopped them from going after them

[@RadioDeRésistance]

Go figure that all these boogeymen (CRT, DEI) were born in right wing think tanks to divert attention away that the Republican party have no popular policies to run on. They realise their base are idiotic racist bigots and feed them culture war nonsense in order to divert attention from the fact the GOP basically suck and to keep their voters spooked and in line. Sadly it's been very effective so far.​@@Soft-m2m

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@Soft-m2m Good point, look what they did too “woke”.

[@terrapin323]

Goal is zero enforcement of civil rights act; it's not pure meritocracy it's re-enabling discrimination.

[@Kurofinance]

This 100% folks don't seem to understand You sue a company for racism, all they do is say, "we sent the guy to sensitivity training." or "We are committed to combatting racism" and then change nothing.

[@razorednight]

What's needed is equality laws with teeth. So if a company is found liable in court, something happens that hurts them. But you're not going to get any laws like that passed over the next several years...

[@Kurofinance]

@@razorednight 100%

[@gnostic268]

Yes. Exactly. As they mentioned universities are some of the most egregious offenders. Minnesota where they uphold Tim Walz and Peggy Flanagan (an Ojibwe) and has been in trouble with the U.S. DOJ still continues to allow rampant discrimination and racism in their classrooms. Mayor Jacob Frey runs around acting Progressive but the high school closest to the Native community Little Earth does not have drinkable water in the middle of Minneapolis on the city water system. Nothing gets done because the leaders are performative and have great PR

[@nati7728]

Critical support to DEI, it improves society to constantly remind people that diversity and inclusion are actually good things. Meritocracy is a myth and not even desirable in the first place. What musk calls merit isn’t actually merit, rather a specific type of conformity - but of course we’re no where near this conversation. Until then, DEI is good and should be supported by the left. Corpos should spend their own money to do HR meetings to remind people they shouldn’t be racist, even if they are doing it for selfish reasons

[@ZenobiaofPalmyra]

Meritocracy is not a fucking myth lmao, and yes it is desirable? Why do you think some companies actually do embrace DEI, and not just parrot it like most do (al la Ryan Grim's examples)? It just so happens that recruiting from the largest pool of talent is fundamentally the best for an organization, and that discrimination actively hinders such?

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

​@@ZenobiaofPalmyra does every homeless person deserve to be homeless? If the answer is no then it is a myth because it does not actually described our world. If people believed we lived in meritocracy the price of eggs would have never been an election talking point

[@Based_Proletariat]

​@@ZenobiaofPalmyra Meritocracy is a big myth.

[@severalwolves]

people like Musk believe in meritocracy because they want to believe that they got where they are by their own skills and intelligence, not just a combination of being born into the right level of wealth, the right social conditions, and a WHOLE lot of luck.

[@jessetorres8738]

I feel companies should hire/promote employees based on their merit & work experience, but with that said, considering the fact The U.S. is roughly 50% women & 40% People Of Color, if a company can't get even 20% of it's workforce to be women & People Of Color that seems to be an issue with the company's ability to reach out to those potential workers to begin with. There have also been studies that have shown when companies look at resumes to hire employees (whether intentional or not) even when multiple applicants have similar qualifications & work experiences they tend to favor those with masculine & Caucasian sounding names over those with feminine or ethnic sounding names.

[@mandyharewood886]

And most placements come through referrals, people already on the inside.

[@SmartDave60]

How we frame things is important. For example right now there’s apparently a crisis with young white men falling behind women in education and employment. Now if we choose to address this issue some could say.. hey I only want to focus on merit, etc. not race. But in America we don’t see things that way. When YT folks fall behind it’s a crisis. When Blacks fall behind it’s acceptable.

[@Effective_tool_of_Satan]

Meritocracy is a myth though.

[@serraangel7465]

Young male are violent and emotional. That isnt not a value add to anywhere. We need to talk about emotional training for men. We need to make boys care by giving them dolls and seeing caring as valuable. Or be honest that they may be better suited for physical labor over mental and social labor.​@SmartDave60

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

The underlying theory of hiring quotas (which is a specific policy that may or may not form part of a larger DEIA platform) is that it's an easy to measure objective indicator that forces businesses that don't want to to reach out to those potential, qualified, workers. It's a long way from perfect but it isn't exactly the fault of the policy in and of itself if the business decides to phone it in and hire the first black person they see instead of hiring one of the many, many highly qualified people in tons of fields who aren't white guys

[@SkylarTheWriter]

Please talk to ACTUAL DEI experts and practitioners in these conversations. I am sick and tired of seeing (mostly) white journalists talk about what they *THINK* DEI is without ever talking to people who actually do that type of work. Majority Report, Breaking Points, CNN, MSNBC, etc. have so much to say, but I have yet to see ANY of you talk to actual people who know what goes into that work. 😑

[@maxpower8429]

Isn’t that like asking the cigarette companies about their products health effects? You need an independent 3rd party

[@v1zdr1x]

What is missing from the conversation?

[@Wufffles]

@@maxpower8429yeah but we’ve heard from the third party, we should be hearing ALL sides, even the biased ones

[@nicholas4727]

Talk about completely missing the point. Nice thinly veiled racism towards whites though. This is why a multiracial working class movement is never gonna happen, dummies oogle their eyes at corporations giving them DEI and think it actually helps. Really DEI just ends up annoying normal people.

[@fallinginspace]

This conversation is strange. I don’t want to argue for corporations using DEI as a shield, but it is good to have corporations in all industries make commitments to hire a diverse workforce and to make efforts to see their own blind spots in their hiring processes. Racism is systematic, but it’s due to individuals who control that system. We cannot ignore the role each of us plays in perpetuating racism in and out of the workplace. How can we call it a system and then point to Elon Musk using a Nazi salute as an example, he’s an individual who also controls a massive amount of industry?

[@nicholas4727]

Dude did you not hear anything Ryan talked about? Corporations using DEI doesn't actually help any of the minorities they claim to help and all they do is use it as a shield.

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

And all the regular people who are willing to hold water for his bullshit.

[@fallinginspace]

@ for whose bullshit?

[@willscasserra8439]

Emma’s face during this is priceless😂🤣😂

[@FeLiNe418]

Ignore my reply. It's not related to the video. Numerology is fake science

[@bagalao77]

Triggered 😂

[@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong]

Appreciate Ryan's position but I think it's wrong. Relying on the EEOC and the legal system, which is always overwhelmed and now largely captured by conservatives, is not going to go well. Never trust a corporation, but being in favor of these initiatives going away is misguided!

[@BrianSheppard]

Ryan Grim's arguments are flawed. He cherry picked his examples and ignore the harder to measure the externalities like everyone in an organization getting the training and the kind of mind expansion that causes. And then the idea that everyone getting DEI training and corporations sending people with issues to training is somehow worse then them just laughing at us? It's like saying trying to eat healthy is impossible because a corporation mislabeled their soda as healthy...

[@cmgordon12345]

They laugh during the training for sure, because like it was mentioned the training often introduces obviously racist ideas. Then the people made to go develop resentments and we are in a worse spot

[@cmgordon12345]

Soda is bad, racism is bad. We know this without the Kafkaesque routine

[@BrianSheppard]

@@cmgordon12345 In what way does a company giving racist training and mislabeling it DEI mean that DEI is racist? The logical fallacy you are engaging in is called a Straw Man attack.

[@BrianSheppard]

@@cmgordon12345 You really feel comfortable saying that in a country that voted for Trump and are in denial about Elon's Nazi salute? That's pretty wild

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

​@@cmgordon12345 I laugh at those ridiculous trainings because they don't require much thought but then you realize that a lot of people operate that way as a default and need to be told what is and isn't acceptable at work. It's not supposed to solve every single problem with bigotry in the workplace. A lot of those wild hypotheticals used to be commonplace and a lot of people grew up when it was

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

Matt's class reductionism is getting really old. Why would you use an insincere attempt at equity as a mark against people who don't vibe with class reductionists only to make an argument for something that is not class reductionist? The reason we have classes because some people think other people do not deserve the same rights. You cannot understand that without understanding sexism, racism, ableism in this country. There is a reason why so many union members vote Republican without any internal dissonance. The height of union membership was at a time when black people and women did not have full legal rights. We were not benefiting from that. I hate white-guilt bullshit but the opposite direction isn't good either.

[@chazcmeekins83]

The worker focused policies and rhetoric are necessary but this is why I'll take whatever Francesca Forientini says with a grain of Sugar as she always focuses on SOLIDARITY as the Main goal first for the Working Class.

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

​@@chazcmeekins83 I never heard her speak on this and I'm not against purely economic solutions but I just think the argument he made portrays a bias on his part. Like I'm not going to get mad if we raise the minimum wage just because it doesn't mention black people or some shit like that.

[@psychette8846]

There is no difference between government and corporate DEIA policies. If government passes any law regarding fairness in hiring and work conditions, corporations will create company policies and training to ensure they do not run afoul of the government law. Because of this, there is no difference. Corporations will always follow the government legislation for risk mitigation purposes.

[@EricKoonitsky-s1d]

Totally. Corporations are famous for their good faith efforts not to run afoul of the law. That's why we've had equal opportunity employment since WWII! Besides, the magic of free markets forces corporations to self-regulate! Corporations with long track records of exploitation and criminality could never survive! So they meticulously mitigate risks! Especially the big corporations! That's what too big to fail means! I assume.

[@DeRussellMasina]

That’s all it’s about Sam. Accessibility!! Not replacing the majority but giving minorities opportunities ❤

[@mattgagnon1580]

Yes, universities were very swift to institute DEIA departments. But a lot of it is hot air. Universities still overwhelming cater to the middle and upper classes. Universities are not class conscious.

[@auntijen3781]

BRING BACK TIM WISE ANTI RACISM

[@razorednight]

Journalists need to challenge Al Sharpton over the unionisation issue: "While it's positive that Costco plan to maintain their DEI program, don't you think they should recognise trades unions in the workplace too?" or something similar. There's nothing wrong with Sharpton praising Costco - if no one does, there'll be no motivation for them to do anything that's good -but journalists need to make sure the other issues remain visible. If Sharpton is critical of them _unprompted_ , they might not ask him back. But if he talks about other issues when prompted to by the press, he can maintain the "friendly" relationship with Costco. "Those wily journos caught me good there, boss. Nothing I could do." Such "friendly" relationships with business are going to be scarce over the coming years. Nothing wrong with letting Sharpton maintain the illusion.

[@dalejimison7986]

Whats not defensible about "Diversity Equity and Inclusion?" This conversation is giving off "whyt echo chamber" vibes.

[@blackomega34]

What's not defensible about "Democratic Republic of Korea" Surely we want Korea to be democratic? Bro regardless of your opinion on DEI, you can't use a program's name as indication of anything.

[@localkauf]

I think you need to actually look listen to what's being said

[@abdalln8554]

The actual criticisms of DEI (like that it unfortunately doesn't do a lot to handle racism in the workplace and mostly gives management a paper trail to not be liable for their work enviornment) are so far removed from the DEI buzzword you hear on the news where it basically means "i saw a black guy at work no fair". So yeah, its got problems, but the last people on the planet who i want to hear about it from are Republicans.

[@maxpower8429]

@@abdalln8554you guys should criticize it from the left. Seems like you guys just defend. “It’s not happening but if it is it’s a good thing” 😂

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

​@@blackomega34 why would you think that they're using the name and not the outcomes of the programs? No one said it's going to solve racism but its disappearance is unambiguously negative

[@trancendental5373]

The real controversy is that Ryan didn't show off his cat.

[@redmed10]

When someone accuses you of bring dei , lean into it and so no I'm DIEA. Dont apologise and backtrack which is what they expect you to do.

[@TheMusicRoomWA]

Yes! Same with "woke". Notice these words don't mean anything bad. It's basically calling people goody two shoes which is fine. I'll own that too :)

[@powderedtoastfacekillah734]

Ooooh Ryan…red flag I can see him being a class reductionist

[@Anton-wk8lv]

He also thinks helping Ukraine is USA being imperalist 🤷‍♂️

[@fp8901]

It kind of is. But there are no easy answers there.

[@shinystarmiestudios4179]

@@Anton-wk8lv Ukriane, Moldova and Georgia are US Proxies and all people in those countries are Neo Nazis according to the pro Russian and Chinese imperialists

[@RNG53695]

"Democrats love DEI because it's Civil Rights without the class politics." That's an interesting thought.

[@aethionr4478]

Whatever they can do to keep the rabble focus off the rich works for them.

[@Glizzygeee]

It’s really not if you know what DEI actually is

[@aethionr4478]

@ haha yeah matt is a right winger, you're the real leftist

[@snapgab]

@@aethionr4478 He's got pretty strong tankie tendencies, which is a right wing tendency.

[@maxpower8429]

@@Glizzygeeeyou should learn more about it 😂 maybe your wrong

[@SonofAGunFrom410]

11:04 this type of thinking is what turns people away from your cause. If someone has an idea on how to alleviate issues, we shouldn't care what race they are, we should care if it works or not.

[@controversialconversation]

If there wasn't historical context of white America always believing they know best than yeah other voices of merit would be heard to. White people love talking about a meritocracy, but never acknowledge the reality of the fact. Minorities have to work twice as hard for half as less. This is by design, and until it's fully acknowledged white people will continue to believe they aren't the impediment to merit based societal standards.

[@birdworldist]

Ryan was grim

[@kfidd]

There is no distinction being drawn between EEOC practices and DEI by the Trump administration. Why would they say that celebrating MLK Day had anything to do with any of this if they were trying to draw distinctions?

[@colonialstraits1069]

I disagree with Ryan about punishing Michigan. We have a better relationship and a lot more in common, with Ontario, than we do with either Ohio or Indiana. Detroit-Windsor is the busiest commercial border crossing in North America. Windsor is the Canadian home of the Domestic Three, as well as the CAW. Most cars built in and around Detroit, travel across the border, to Windsor, sometimes multiple times, during their assembly. That would cripple the Canadian auto industry, as much as ours. I don’t see the Canadian government doing that. Let’s not forget that the UAW supported Harris, unlike the Teamsters. A lot of non-Trump voters will suffer, in a state that historically has a very fragile economy. Don’t forget, a lot of you are going to need Michigan, once the South and Southwest become uninhabitable. As a state with most of the water, Michigan is already studying how to improve and expand our infrastructure, in order to successfully absorb climate refugees. Without a healthy Michigan, the U.S. is far worse off.

[@owen3721]

I want to visit Michigan especially Isle Royale National Park.

[@Effective_tool_of_Satan]

Well, yes. Superficial corporate speak about inclusion is useless. The thing is encouraging it in an actual, effective way.

[@Lionsin86]

“Man, I really wish corporate America listened to a black person about DEI instead of Robin Diangelo… anyway white man, continue telling us what’s wrong with DEI in America” 😂 yall are hilarious

[@garethmartin6522]

Ryan is simply peddling ignorant, discredited, right wing talking points. Shameful that such nonsense was even given a platform.

[@merriemelodiesfan7425]

The United States is so effed.

[@shadowhawx]

Sam "i will admit to...(long pause)" Oh god, what is he going to say

[@photoboy]

Ryan Grim removing his cat from his desk was outrageous.

[@KicktheSky34]

Whoever makes these 'Hero Wars' ads needs therapy.

[@nuclearneo577]

Sam, stop defending Ryan Grim. He's clearly doing the Jimmy Dore thing so he can make more money as a Republican pundit.

[@chiara-qx5qi]

I wish the crew would have given him a bit more heat. 25 minutes of Ryan minutes offering no real insights and just kind of upset that people took his tweets the wrong way. Just whining about reverse racism and glossing over the actually existing anti DEI crusade in states like Florida

[@TheCRBTree]

This is a COMPLETELY fair take RE: Corporate DEI. Said programs typically lack any shred of 'consequential accountability', meaning nobody was aftually on the hook for achieving the lofty representional goals that garnered tons of publicity. We now have the data to look back and see that these programs were, practically, total failures. Just look at the proportion of 'leader' roles held by employees from underrepresented groups over the past decade. The line is FLAT or sometimes even DECREASED!!! It's especially wild because a plethora of scientific and applied research suggests that improving representation is not just the moral or ethical thing to do, it is also more PROFITABLE and leads to greater PRODUCTIVITY.

[@ephre]

I think if we were more explicit about capitalism being the issue and didn't just protect these terms regardless of their issues, we might find we can get more support from the desperate MAGA voters. Just need to be explicit about the capitalism angle over the race angle because they will always have the Tim Pool video running around in their heads.

[@thomaswebb2584]

DOGE: DAMN OLIGARCHS GET EVERYTHING

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

When i was a kid i used to go over to kennys house and watch him work as a plumber

[@lifehouse5877]

You guys have some really bad takes on this one

[@toddsteward1596]

They’re targeting Kentucky Bourbon. Because the particular province either owns the liquor stores outright or controls the purchasing.

[@kylegoldston]

What if their DEI requirements are being comfortable with a nazi or two riding in the back seat? If anyone onboard the air ambulance got caught by ICE what would've been the personal costs? The little girl might've died alone in custody.

[@malikibeats]

This is a terrible take from Ryan and I'm glad he's being roasted for it.

[@malikibeats]

They should definitely have a social justice activist on to balance Ryan's poor rhetoric

[@fredphillips6120]

What does the strike have to do with upholding DEi policies? Always missing the point! 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@qmcbbj]

Its the "red new deal" folks. Remember - the Emancipation Proclamation was considered an egregious executive overreach by friend and foe alike.

[@shawnhenderson2091]

My interpretation of Ryan's take is that DEI itself isn't a problem so much as how its executed and cynically weaponized by corporations that is the problem

[@Coryameta]

Okay, but no one on the left asked for these companies to create these DEI programs. So, turning around to us now and saying we should fight against it is crazy work. Also, he could have been leading this kind of fight long before now and he didn't. He hand pecked the edge cases, sure, but he damn sure did not try and ring any bells to anyone of relevance.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

18:00 Honestly I'm of the opinion that Harris *was* a DEI hire, on the basis that the reason your employer hires you can be completely different to the reason they should even if you are qualified. Harris was in a position to be chosen for the job due to being a competent politician, but ultimately the establishment Democrats most likely just grabbed the black woman who was to hand for VP. It's really frustrating and an example of the real problem with DEI that Ryan was getting at, and it's challenging to criticise effectively because that criticism gets bundled in with the racist junk. We should still criticise that though, because it undermines meaningful efforts that combat the very real discrimination that marginalised groups face

[@jshowao]

Honestly, I thought it was more to appease the voters who voted for Biden/Harris on the primary ticket. After all, the last time they ran a woman, she lost. But who knows, Dems seem like they want to lose these days so maybe that was the strategy lol. Im sure being a woman and black had something to do with it. But the point is, she isn't an unqualified politician which is what this anti-DEI stuff is geared towards. The implication is, that if you were hired based on skin color, you must be unqualified.

[@melshome6745]

why was JD Vance picked as VP? DEI. He isn't qualified. Plane crashes caused by pilot error, white pilots. So, if I see a white pilot in the cockpit, I should be worried.

[@abdalln8554]

Tbf to Kamala she's a center right sleazeball who can form a full sentence, which does actually make her as qualified as the center right sleazeball she replaced.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

That's like saying every VP gets picked as a DEI hire to get the southern voters or the women voters or whatever

[@OpChauhan-w4g]

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[@StaceyToth1212]

Ryan totally shut down Emma's thought.

[@maxpower8429]

Probably cuz he knows she’s stupid

[@bentz98125]

Right on about no agreements outside union contracts because corporations never talk out of both sides of their mouth at the same time!

[@theoptimistictraveler3558]

You can tell Sam hasn’t had a real job in a while lol. DEI training like Ryan described is in almost every industry including the trades.

[@kristihackworth6855]

I'm beginning to see how the removal of DEIA can actually be used in our favor?! If I'm understanding this correctly... Corporate just lost the protection from lawsuits, without having the proper guidelines inside their business. 😮 Oh boy!! It's already started to uptick, quickly!

[@abdalln8554]

Yeah...uh...except for all the courts packed with insane wackos. And all the government employees who's jobs are currently at risk due to the administration being against (DEI), which here just means any non-wasp or anyone who disagrees with the president.

[@oxymoron9548]

Ryan, you are wrong about DiAngelo. She is not at all like Lean In. Have you read DiAngelo's books? You are misrepresenting her premises. She says the truth that most of us black people will be butchered for saying.

[@maxpower8429]

Ya blacks are late and uneducated and that’s ok. Is that your point?

[@blizzunt420e]

Why do you hate America in American so much? Why do you want Americans rights and freedoms to be taken away for a handful of people who are not contributing the majority to society?

[@garfieldGG]

Ryan grim is a jerk with awful politics and idk why we keep being nice to him.

[@waheedmalik9350]

You are delusional... that's why right wingers keep winning. Ryan Grim is the based on most of his takes

[@shawna7813]

Robin D'angelo needs to partner with Quartz to create the African American watch. I'd invest in that grift.

[@ErinMagner82]

How many workers were subjected to Robin D'Angelo?!?! Major corporations like Cigna puts these books on required reading lists for employees in the wake of George Floyd. You didn't have to sit through a lecture by Robin D'Angelo for this to impact your workplace.

[@marlonbrimmer]

Such a stupid take

[@missyrobbins8617]

@@marlonbrimmer Agreed!

[@PopularRevolt-X25]

He knows what tariffs do.

[@Reticule9]

Ryan Grim and Emily Jashinsky both give off sketchy Taibbi vibes

[@nicholas4727]

You're clueless. Probably mad Ryan rightly criticized a dumb policy you support.

[@DA-te5be]

Robin DiAngelo speaks about white racism to white people. Stop using her as a scapegoat for DEI annoyance.

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

I thought he did a really good job

[@jaysteve4442]

Not a fan of Grim. He has some terrible takes.

[@DaPhunkeeFeel1]

Elie Mystal was pretty indifferent to the nixing of DEIA programs as well the other day, which surprised me. I'd love to hear him in this conversation as well. I think Sam's emphasis on the distinction between DEIA in the federal bureaucracy (which has been way better than the private market in terms of employment discrimination for decades) vs academia and corporations is critical.

[@mikebarbano4420]

That should have read psychopathic mentality. Damn auto word check. Also I have to do this one handed as I'm paralyzed on my left side.

[@Skycouncil_Sentinel_777]

SAY NO TO DEI (donald jr, eric, and ivanka)!

[@marciukspuks5353]

the problem is that we are not being antiracist enough

[@redmed10]

This is getting confusing. Dont know who this Beverly deangelo person is. The noted leader in this field was jane Elliott and i thought for a while they were talking about her. But they are two different people. You have different conceptions of dei and some people will take it to greater lengths than others.

[@esta8651]

You know who she is and this field is dubious anyway 🙄

[@jrdoughty13]

Its ironic that they dropped out the 'A' in the conversation and then Trump and Fox implied the 'A' in the airplane crashes... like, wtf

[@ookamiblade6318]

The right’s playbook is messing with the meaning of words. They say DEI like a code word for Black, but white women and white male CEOs (because they got diversity-linked bonuses to incentivize hiring) are the largest beneficiaries, other impacted groups include Asians, Hispanics, Veterans, the disabled, the LGBTQ, etc. Businesses using diversity programs increased profit margins so it’s not like it was costing them anything. White women in particular got up to 30% representation in the workforce and 19% in leadership. Only 7% and 4% for Black folk. Was it perfect? No, but it did help. It was a start.

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

12:30 it is legitimately ignorant to not understand that not everywhere around the world holds to such a strict understanding of time and that the modern understanding of time and punctuality is a byproduct of monetizing our labor through hourly wages. The problem with these sorts of people is that they have gut reactions to everything so the moment someone articulates a thought that isn't completely logically sound they will argue against it without trying to see a point. Meanwhile people who support mainstream ideas are never held to that same standard which is why Ryan thinks that he can say that Chris Rufo is doing something positive by opposing DEI.

[@Markymarkyanarchy]

Please buy America hardwoods! We're struggling big-time

[@tbone0785]

Can you expand on this? I have our property timbered for hardwood. So curious as to what you're referring to

[@Markymarkyanarchy]

@tbone0785 I work at a mill in NY. Our hours have been cut as demand has dropped and supplies have been reduced. Now, in the wake of disasters and tariffs on imported lumber our industry may be able to recover from the drop-off we've seen over the last decade and earlier.

[@tbone0785]

@ interesting. So we got a quote for logging about ~500 hardwood trees on our 130ac property, a little before the price of lumber skyrocketed. We never pulled the trigger on the cutting. So we thought we'd get more $$ per board ft. after prices went up. We basically got the same quote for the same trees. I was shocked. We still haven't cut any down.

[@Markymarkyanarchy]

@@tbone0785 don't. They destroy your property and you lose your best trees.

[@danielbarrero2815]

I love Ryan but he’s wrong

[@hughedwards7983]

Yall are so right Republicans are so specific

[@BasedChad]

Much love for Ryan!

[@simonriley4375]

We girlbossed too close to the sun

[@Ipraytopesci]

Too much chillin in Cedar Rapids.

[@ettico0513]

Elie mystal basically said the same thing the other day.

[@LiveAndLetLivia]

Not surprised by this from Ryan. It's annoying and entirely predictable

[@jshowao]

I have worked 2 corporate jobs after Diangelo published her book. Not one of them trained me in anything that book said. Which is why I believe Diangelo is very much an edge case and shouldnt be taken seriously as much as the media wants to. I work as an engineer by the way. Honestly, Sam is right, does anyone have any data on how much this Diangelo training pierced the corporate sphere?

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

I feel lost without my mom

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

I need a job , employment just isnt cutting it anymore

[@marciukspuks5353]

by corporate sam means definitely NOT on majority report

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

RYAN SHOW US THE CAT RYAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

[@FoxSt3v3]

the Reaper's here ☕

[@shyman3000]

This is pretty rich. 🤣This channel supported DEI from the beginning, labeling everyone a bigot who wasn't fully on board with it, now they are changing their tune. So sad.

[@marciukspuks5353]

i dont think sam was joking

[@Sam-j9x3f]

Ryan Grimm has also had at other times especially on the Hill, campitulated many times to the right wing talking points .he would argue that bullshit of assigning the 50/50 aspect incorrectly

[@dannygarland6366]

I think you guys have horseshoed too much on this one. Sure, some corporations use their DEI programs for advertising purposes, but some take it seriously. You've started at "all corporations bad" and gone to "every thing a corporation does is bad even when it's trying to encourage diversity". I think it's time for a rethink.

[@marciukspuks5353]

so sam keeps not caring about any of this and of course unaware of any of this

[@philswaim392]

The corporate dei this dude is mad about is something i don't recognize in corporations. I dunno what he's talking about but he's only really supporting trumps efforts and fascism

[@cmgordon12345]

We are so in the weeds

[@bbkr26]

i dont trust a word from this hack, ryan the grim reaper

[@hectorhall82]

Man, I love Ryan Grim.