War Thunder's Map Problem...

[@myopicthunder]

instead of spawn points, one whole side of the map should be the spawn area and you can pick exactly where to spawn

[@password6025]

This is exactly what needs to be done. Much harder to spawn camp if your enemy can be anywhere along the line

[@caelisr3]

agree

[@obeyobay9146]

Isn’t that how world war is? Or was I’d the esports thing

[@TakenWithout]

I’ve never seen a better idea.

[@Retronyx]

this dumb company would do anything but not add a barrier to stop people from shooting from one spawn point to another spawn point. Imagine trying to find cover but the moment you drive out of the spawn they can just shoot you from their spawn.

[@nicojokelin5547]

spawns should be easy to defend positions but in war thunder you spawn on a open field with next to no cover and the enemy has hull down position where they can shoot directly into your spawn

[@goldenhate6649]

Maybe not easy to defend, but hard to shoot into from over say, 15% of the map away. But most times, you can easily shoot into them from the center with little issue. That gives you time to spawn (usually spawn camping comes from a death spiral where you can't find a position to fight from)

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

what if, and call me crazy, you spawn at a base? kind like how actual military forces leave from a base and dont have a whole unit parked in an open field waiting to send the next line? literally just further back over a big hill add an actual base just like for aircraft where they have moderately accurate ai tank gunners just sitting there that shoot at any enemy that crests that hill and tries to spawn camp? but this also requires larger maps with more than 1 terrain feature between the cap and the spawn

[@Ahsauj]

They could add functional fortification batteries like found like the ones found in Normandy

[@_jdnash353]

Would be nice if spawn also acted as a resupply point

[@killkiss_son]

​@@goldenhate6649no because if you do that you're stuck in the spawn. If you can't defend the spawn because it's open, even if the enemy team is concentrated in one spot they'll still kill you every time. What you need is an easily defendable spawn where you can kill the guys shooting at the spawn. Obviously it needs to be balanced and not overly protected to a point where a single guy in the spawn can wipe out the entire team. Just that if you spawn, you don't get instantly destroyed, and have time to maybe try a flank or kill a few enemies.

[@justpatrick_]

Removing flanking routes is basically pushing away light tank players.

[@mikkojk83]

And large portion of tank destroyers since they don't have armor to take hits.

[@FabianDialer-vw1zk]

Eastern Europe has a whole empty space on the right side and I've seen more players use that than the river lately. If you overuse a flanking space it becomes worthless.

[@gustman9048]

Kinda tired of driving my heavy for so long just to be flanked by a light tank and all that time be wasted because of stupid flank routes

[@trevormcgady6012]

this is the idea please go away

[@javelloj]

Good, no one likes rats

[@Nick-rs5if]

The reason why players tend to be... let's call it "unfriendly" with Gaijin, is because Gaijin screws over the playerbase at every opportunity.

[@lrcolville1]

yeah no i'm gonna be honest, gaijin absolutely deserves the toxicity they get. time after time, year after year they have shown us how little they give a shit about the community. we've been asking for a spawncamp fix and new gamemodes for literally a decade. A FUCKING DECADE.

[@Drakey_Fenix]

@@lrcolville1 It's not the developers fault. It is the management at Gaijin that decides what the War Thunder dev team adds and don't add. The management team is only in interested in making profit. They are not passionate about the game or interested in making a fun and enjoyable game, but insist on adding mechanics that prey on human psychology to squeeze the most amount of money out of the player base.

[@mateimarian1937]

​@@Drakey_Fenix this is why we shouldn't have ended that "strike" from a few years back so early. These assholes will only listen to force. A good place to start is sueing them over the loot crates, as under EU law that counts as gambling and the game is rated PEGI 13.

[@MaskFky]

@@Drakey_Fenix The gaijin management team is still Gaijin?

[@Drakey_Fenix]

Yes they are. But the devs working on War Thunder is called the War Thunder team. But they are managed by Gaijin and they have no say in any matter.

[@MercenaryJedi]

The reason why I will never pay any money in War Thunder is that every important choice made in the design and gameplay begs the question "Are they really this incompetent or purposefully doing this?" Doesn't matter to me how much they improve the game, the fact that they made their poor choices in the first place renders the game unworthy of my money.

[@rastislavfides8620]

Dont play the game then i gues.

[@mrbeast85]

Fine, but what incentive do they then have to make the game better?

[@Moldovanin.]

​@@mrbeast8515 million players regularly donate to them, they have had many years and money to get an incentive to do something good for the game. Yes, they have good solutions, but the fundamental problems of the game, which they have been ignoring for years, outweigh the advantages that the developers make. It was not for nothing that it came to a riot, so that the developers would finally come to their senses, in my opinion, after the players’ riot, the game became several times better than in the 9 years of its existence before the riot, although some questions remain, donate to those who are already getting big money and ignore the players - I wouldn’t do it.

[@Matias-dr3ys]

same. ive been playing 9 years and havent spent any money and dont plan to until they actually start improving the user experience instead of trying to maximize income. ive never understood how making players mad will make them want to spend money because ill just stop playing the game if it isnt fun.

[@Moldovanin.]

@@mrbeast85 15 million players regularly donate to them, they have had many years and money to get an incentive to do something good for the game. Yes, they have good solutions, but the fundamental problems of the game, which they have been ignoring for years, outweigh the advantages that the developers make. It was not for nothing that it came to a riot, so that the developers would finally come to their senses, in my opinion, after the players’ riot, the game became several times better than in the 9 years of its existence before the riot, although some questions remain, donate to those who are already getting big money and ignore the players - I wouldn’t do it. I don't know why did youtube deleted my comment!

[@sskuk1095]

As a former CS:GO player, they should consider giving the community tools to create maps. The majority of CS's best maps were community made!

[@memeslife-wq2tx]

But that would be FUN And we can't have that! We need to piss players off so they buy premiums thinking they'll have fun!

[@teddrewflack400]

Great point , the oh cs was the same

[@MellyMelly7]

We need new game modes for ground in general. We literally only have a capture the point game mode. We need something different and new.

[@liamoliverdarroch6482]

Yep that's why I want ground sim EC

[@mrbeast85]

You know some of the event game modes they tried were actually quite good. Even ones where they had historical matches, so Germans in Panthers and Tigers and the Allies in Shermans. There was a limit to what proportion of the team could be heavies so you didn't get Tiger spam, IIRC. Even though the balance between the BRs were well off its was still fun to play in a Sherman. I always remember on an Italian map event waiting in ambush and one -shotting a Tiger I in the side with my trusty 75mm gunned M4! They try these things out in event and then seemingly take the idea no further. So we're left with capture the flag, capture all 3 flags or capture the other team's flag...

[@nyccoyax3831]

what modes tho? I dont see anything that could be fun or long term

[@borbduck]

Troop escort modes could make IFVs actually useful Base defense gamemodes would make heavies and SPGs actually useful (assault GB needs to be improved) Some gamemode where planes attack an area and AA has to stop them would also be pretty fun

[@WashedSotta]

@@liamoliverdarroch6482 ground sim would be so cool if the maps were expanded with more diverse objectives like in air sim EC at least. captrure this, destroy this here, escort, protect, win supremacy. and by expanded maps i dont mean regular grb maps with spawn points ridiculously far with nothing in between like how some maps in sb are now. Fill the map with SOMETHING. im sure they got assets they could just plant in there to make it more interesting. But if they were to do this they would have to increase the rewards accordingly. playing a match for an hour+ and getting same rewards as a 15 min skirmish in grb doesnt make sense. make sb more lucrative by increasing rewards.

[@machinech183]

To be clear the destruction of the bridges does not "remove" flanking options. It limits them to a very small group of vehicles able to cross water. It wouldn't be Gaijin if they couldn't screw up their own "fix" in the most braindead way possible.

[@Brandon-qc3eu]

Any fast tank that can climb the bank like an mbt can get over the river near the spawns

[@mrbeast85]

Nah they'll notice and colour it in red like the right bank on North Holland and arbitrary zones on Cargo Port and Alaska.

[@ExcavationNation]

​@@Brandon-qc3eusure the bottom spawn can cross one broken bridge and be good. But the top spawn has to cross one broken bridge then somehow cross the other REALLY broken bridge to get to the same area.

[@gavinjenkins899]

No, it removes them because it's also a red zone

[@kiri101]

@@mrbeast85 Don't forget Advance to the Rheine, used to be an actually useful water flank

[@Con9359]

I hate it when they try to force more repetitive, stale and inconsistent gameplay by limiting the already limited amount of positional freedom you have in ground rb. There are so few players that realise they can also use A/D instead of W-only to flank and gain an advantage by not playing the same spot everyone else plays. The 1 lane maps are just unbearable, they are so incredibly stale and boring to play, you don't get any freedom in your positioning and are unable (sometimes) to fully utilize the strengths of your vehicle. Spawncamping is an issue, I agree with that. However the solution is not to just cut of flank routes, imo the solution is to limit the variety of angles / positions that can be used to consistently spawn-camp people.

[@caelisr3]

they should just make more spawn points, or maybe that you can select a point on one side of the map. They cant do spawncamping if literally you can spawn anywhere on that side

[@dfnxINC]

I think that this bridge removal thing will just make spawncamping worse. If your team is pushed back, congratulations, instead of 6 people pushing your spawn, you have 8 because they don't flank anymore. With eastern Europe AND holland, both straight lines, my problem is not some M18 doing the funny on some obscure hill, it's getting a horde of 7 tanks in my spawn and me being the only one to fight them, along with a couple AAs, because everyone else has left. In part it's also my teams fault. When I start pushing, the others sit back, so I end up in 1v5s. Very rarely do they help you advance and win. But one way or another, hammering the flanking route won't fix anything.

[@cortexoftheego4568]

No spawn camping = No SL = No progress = boredoom, let spawn camping be, let it go, let it go, let it go, let it ggoooooooo. It is removing WT, since always we just atack anyone trying to get to control points or get out of spawn. Russian bias is too strong if you have no armor, penetration or stabiliser and enemy have it all, spawn camping offers you efficient flanking.

[@cortexoftheego4568]

@@caelisr3 so basically on maps with no spawn protection you could atack directly from your spawn enemy on their spawn in first seconds after starting match lmao, so maps require bigger changes like adding chills, relocating spawn or adding any other kind of protection covering spawn, also having imunity to damage should stay after spawning mercilessly for some seconds after starting to move, curently after moving you can be destroyed already.

[@AgentK-im8ke]

this is exactly what WG did before world of tanks ended to crap

[@David_KAYA]

That area became accessible only to amphibious vehicles. And guess which country's light tanks are almost all amphibious?

[@HiboGentoo]

Just like "we improved the survivability of twin rotor helicopters for sake of balance" and guess which nation has the only twin rotor helicopters *(that made the ka-50 and 52 hard to kill)*

[@Victoire.Horizon]

Ussr ? They are slow and weak

[@alexr5624]

@@Victoire.Horizon nice joke.... oh wait u serious

[@Victoire.Horizon]

@@alexr5624 it was a joke 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@alexr5624]

@@Victoire.Horizon aaaah I played myself by trying to also put a joke x)

[@Narsheo]

Thank you for reaching out to us here at gaijin! This is a problem we take very seriously. As this is a ongoing issue please withstand years of shitty maps, spawn to spawn gaming, spawnkilling, etc Thank you!

[@Narsheo]

Also on another note, i dont think (considering the way gaijin does things) that gaijin promotes anything besides how to get more profit internally, they try to minimize costs as much as possible even tho its one of the biggest games rn, especially server wise

[@floridamanstrikesagain6915]

@@Narsheo they sure as hell promote unhealthy doses of misery in their gameplay so average joe will pay his way to pixels he wants rn.

[@lucasn4077]

@@floridamanstrikesagain6915not to mention the unholy amount of bs coming from primarily the Russian tech tree. (Ka-50, object 279, Su-25’s, Panstir, etc). Edit: I also forgot to mention that ERA, which is used to deflect CHEMICAL rounds (HEAT, etc) eats kinetic rounds all day.

[@jerryjuutalainen1783]

spawn to spawn shooting is the only way to play modern tanks (: cqb maps at top tier are absolute cancer.

[@ZombieRush22579]

Guys, calm tf down. Ryan was LITERALLY talking about non-confrontational discussion. Balancing a game whilst trying to make it historically accurate is hard. That kind of stuff doesn't get done overnight, and they can't fix unforeseen issues when they're released, or some issues months into the future because it may alter those core values of 'realism' and 'balance'. For all the unbalanced vehicles we have, there sure are a lot of balanced ones. So discuss, don't attack (Also, not Gaijin's problem if people decide to play the game and continue playing it whilst suffering internally)

[@butteredtoast6510]

This is the same company that thinks their worthless premium vehicles are worth $60+ dollars for a single vehicle.

[@lrcolville1]

i knew we were cooked when they started selling copy paste tech tree premiums at the same price as dcs modules

[@itskaspahoe7161]

Thr problem is all the maps are the size of a shoebox at top tier. Maps need to be massive at top tier along with more caps/objectives.

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

when your playing on ash river with abrams and leo2a7, clown world. and for some reason large maps like red desert are restricted to 9.7+ when that is the size map you need starting at 6.0

[@Alectfenrir123]

But sadly impatient players who think this is CoD but with tanks cry when they have to drive 10 more seconds to get into a fight. And it really feels like the vast majority of players are this type because so many top tier maps are so small and people complain whenever a big map like say red desert appears.

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

the map sizes should scale according to Tier.

[@alexcanplaygames5270]

@@Alectfenrir123 The problem is red desert is just a bad map fr.

[@ViperhawkX]

@@Alectfenrir123 I haven't got any top tier tanks unlocked but one time I got Red Desert while I was playing in the Black Prince and I wanted to kashoot myself.

[@PanzerSteinn]

why don't they just hide the spawn icons in the map, so the enemy don't know where the tanks will spawn. put timer for spawncampers. also, give the players a chance to create some maps and propose them to Gaijin and choose the best. We as players can fix the game because we play it everyday and we know every single issue in the game, most of us least.

[@liamoliverdarroch6482]

The spawns would have to be randomised each time, or else players would just memorise their locations or even just take a picture of the map and put the spawn markers on it so they know where to go.

[@PanzerSteinn]

@@liamoliverdarroch6482 you’re right, that’s a good idea too!

[@elijahmontgomery4146]

You know how when they enter a spawn they get spotted on the map, give us a marker over they’re head like how scouting works, but constant instead of second by second pings.

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

Or just have a spawn area, and players click on the map to choose where to spawn in that area. That'd fix several issues: - Tanks too grouped up at the start - Light tanks spawning on the inside of the spawn area rather than the outside wasting time they could be using to flank - Spawn campers knowing where enemies will spawn - Allow player to better close the distance to spawn campers - Give players more control over their spawns so they aren't in holes, facing buildings, etc.

[@AugustusDrake]

More spawn options would be nice. So, we don't have to crash into or dodge half a dozen people at the start of the match just to get into the fight.

[@PerfectedVenus_Monsoon]

The problem with removing the bridges is now the only tanks that can get over there are the amphibious tanks. Namely, the BMD-4 and BMP series of tanks...

[@McRizzle23]

Any tank with decent power to weight can drive over the broken sections and up the shallow shores on all but one of the broken bridges (central is not possible only amphibious vehicles definitely). Lower tiers definitely amphibious only.

[@theBrid-gv8je]

@@McRizzle23 The LVT flank shall be glorious

[@JunkNVamps]

*laughs in 2s25m*

[@orka5352]

My Ka-chi is going to be even more stupidly good since that map is a common low tier map

[@tranarchist6335]

The fact that so many maps have spawn camping problems really says something about Gaijin's map design...

[@Boz1211111]

Its not map problem, in war thunder tanks dont go on trains from the factory to the battlefield, they just appear at one spot. Just click enemy or leave without prnalty once they enter spawn area

[@tranarchist6335]

@@Boz1211111 it is absolutely a map problem if you can snipe into the spawn from halfway across the map

[@Boz1211111]

@@tranarchist6335 thats one of the ways it can be a problem, problem is now most people complain for things that have nothing to do with current issues

[@dsmkyle8802]

​@Boz1211111 oh no that game is ruined it was a great game now you just get spawn camped by some level 100 player.

[@Boz1211111]

@@dsmkyle8802 what

[@Solar9391]

I'm not sure why but for big games like War Thunder the team in charge of updates and things never listens to the community when the game is for the community in the first place. Games based on community support and feedback are always extremely fun and bring in so much more players because the team actually listens and cares about the community. It would be nice if the team at Gaijin would pick some verified KZbinrs and have a chat with all of them about the future of War Thunder so that this game can change for the better.

[@TabiTheCat]

Fps games should listen to shroud, that’s a great idea for the average joe

[@mrbeast85]

I understand and agree, but I think you're dead wrong on the game being 'for the community'. Its not, its there for Gaijin to make money. I'm not saying that is inherently any worse than any other commercial enterprise. Or that the devs have absolutely no interest in tanks, planes and computer games, but they're a business. Its why review bombing or player strikes are always going to be the most effective way of getting them to change. You hit their pockets. BTW I'm not saying players should go to the nuclear option all the time but its what might have to happen if the game increasingly goes in a certain direction.

[@snipes_1138]

Most of the war thunder KZbinrs are glue eaters...

[@zarlev9083]

​​​@@TabiTheCatRather listen to a glue eater / pepega then a tone deaf or greedy company. easy choice 😂

[@gavinjenkins899]

They are listening to the community. You just aren't the majority of the community and suffer from main character syndrome. They have ZERO incentive to do narrower maps except positive response from players. Nit 1 death leaving as often on those maps, not ligging off after those maps, heatmaps of where people go being narrow anyway on wider maps, etc.

[@jimpicins]

That guy that hit you with his plane in the nuke is DEFFINETLY going to hell

[@ryanberry_]

He's not even getting a stocking. Just coal 🤣

[@TorranceRex]

They legit can't do it. They can't make good maps. If they could, they would.

[@hardstyle4life394]

first they changed so many maps practically removing TD and sniping positions and now they are removing flanks so LT's and TD's need to go face to face with HT's and MT's ,wow Gaijin just wow

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

Yeah, they need to realize that sniping across a map isn't a problem. Sniping across the map into spawns is a problem, especially when you're sniping from a cap into a spawn

[@mariosanosan]

The thumbnail is 100% correct. The map designers in a near futurae will resume the game to a straight blank map with no place to hide. Just press W to play...

[@epsilon2843]

inb4 desert bus map, going off the road is prohibited and out of bounds and you have to drive 3km in a straight line to get to the objective in the middle lmao

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

because high ground and flanking are unfair to people with no situational awareness and must be removed. no actual tactics are allowed, just whoever has the higher br or premium vehicle wins. in all seriousness, imagine getting shot from the same hill 500 times and still not expecting people to be there. like the hills on sinia that were removed. pretty easy to not die to them when there is plenty of cover and you know someone is there at all times

[@JohnLee-kl4tc]

The Map problem is just a symptom of the bigger issue. War thunder is simply too damn grindy and too much of a time and money sink. It's the Number 1 reason why players leave, it's the number 1 reason why players are pissed and toxic, it's the number 1 reason why new players never stay, and it's the number 1 why players play the way they do.

[@Warriorcat49]

I disagree, partially. Yes, the grind is unbearable for most, and it causes people to seek that braindead “hold W”, spawncamp/kill steal gameplay we all know, but I think personally that it’s a symptom, rather than the cause. The cause being that the core gamemodes and gameplay loop just isn’t good enough to be enjoyable/not rage-inducing on its own. It’s one of the reasons people focus on the grind so much, because match to match, there’s no real incentive except “kill as many of the enemy as possible, because maybe the next vehicle is more fun”. If the game itself was just better, it would lessen the rage and anxiety of the grind, because you’d already be having fun at your current BR.

[@sulferix7265]

Rb ec with respawns. They will never give it to us because the game absolutely must piss you off.

[@waggish4999]

@@Warriorcat49 nah the gameplay makes the grind more miserable but the grind is what makes the game as a whole miserable. Although both problems have been neglected for years because gajin has no incentive to improve their game if profits and player counts rise like they have been for years despte the awful state of war thunder. The only way it'll improve is if a competotor comes out but that'll likely never happen.

[@Greaterglider2]

As a relatively new player I don't see why people complain about them os much

[@zaniwoob]

Just play the game for fun. Do not grind beyond 5.0.

[@AugustusDrake]

In the first few years of ground Gaijin used to regularly rotate the spawns on the maps by 90 degrees. This change would greatly freshen up the maps that have gotten really stale after hundreds or thousands of hours in the game. Same map, same tactics. Rotated it and your have to develop all new tactics.

[@JunkNVamps]

No not really, what it does is leads to significantly more span camping/killing. Good example being 90* rotated Mozdok, one spawn had a big ass hill giving that team visibility of over half of the map and trapping a team in their spawn.

[@kiri101]

@@JunkNVamps I miss old Mozdok

[@maximkopa3955]

@@kiri101Hell no. Its just an extremely biased map for one team

[@Creepus_Explodus]

@@maximkopa3955 Mozdok was completely remade a few years into the game. The old map had a bit more cover and was a bit more balanced, but still not the greatest.

[@USSWisconsin]

Destroying the bridges doesn't just remove flanking, it removes the ability to cross to the other side of the map at all

[@softbutter9467]

Buying premium for a year gives you ONE map ban. That doesn't even cover the new maps added in that time

[@jonathonspears7736]

My proposal to fix spawn camping is instead of fixed spawn points, make an entire side of the map a spawn zone. That way if you would normally be spawn camped, you can spawn somewhere to counter that.

[@ryanberry_]

This would definitely require map reworks, but I like the idea for sure

[@jonathonspears7736]

@@ryanberry_ On most maps, nothing would have to change. On the small maps is where it would pose challenges.

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

@@jonathonspears7736 the small maps are the problem. there is no way to fix spawn camping without reworking every small map

[@OldinaryChimera]

Gaijin before: 128x128 for tier 1 Gaijin now: 2x1 map with red zones 😡

[@shaddaboop7998]

The extreme BR compression between 7.7 and 8.7 (my favourite range) was frustrating but the main reason I stopped playing after 1.5k hours was the maps. I call their design philosophy "headbutting" - canyons, tight urban streets, anything that makes head-on brawling the only viable playstyle. Good luck playing on 90% of the maps if your favourite tank is a hull down vehicle. There's about three or four maps in the entire game where brawling, sniping, and flanking are all viable. I wonder how much Gaijin's lead environment designer gets paid, because whatever it is (if the position exists at all) then it is obviously far too much. No playtesting, no design, no understanding of gameplay. Terrible.

[@SnarlingLynx]

I remember the beginnings of Warthunder when they brought the first tanks in the games. The maps were three times bigger and would withstand a 16 vs 16 with ease, still allowing you to flank, to do some standoffs on capture points, without never actually reaching the enemy spawn. Like White Castle. It was huge when the first time that map dropped in. You would fight inside the castle, on the outerskirt, and even in the fields. But players whined up, saying it was too big, that they would drive for 5 to 10 minutes before getting one shot. Gaijin listened to that and removed the big maps. Then, we had slightly larger maps, like Fulda. Now, each time that I rarely have Fulda, players complain every time that it is too big. No wonder why Gaijin is killing their maps in a 400 meters large for 600 meters long. Yes, real simulation enjoyers want to fight at longer ranges and have fun with armor wants big map. The 50 to 60% of players from the playerbase don't want that. They want the fastest and easiest way to kill, they want to play WoT without healthbars, not playing something getting closer to DCS, ARMA or Squad. They want their CoD moments with multi tons armored vehicles. I saw the community of Wt going from a community creating reenactments of events to a copy paste of LoL community.

[@SuiSideex]

Cuz ground was much better in old times. No markers at all, bigger maps, better spawn system ( like in SB ) and much more, that was true GRB experience. Now we got arcade garbage sh** called GRB, look at console world of tanks modern, its have bigger maps than WT 😂

[@thedukeofnorton]

I stared playing just after beta. Those maps were amazing and you’re right with your analysis. People were mostly too busy fighting in the middle to go and spawn camp until the end of the game trying to find one single player left. Small maps encourage spawn camping.

[@marceloobregon8513]

I haven't played in a long time, but I understand what you're saying. I would like a game where you can fight like you do in real life, with strategies and using your head. Not a shooter, but with tanks instead of people

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

still pissed they removed white rock fortress, map was very fun for flanking.

[@thedukeofnorton]

@@4T3hM4kr0n such a bizarre decision. Nothing wrong with that map.

[@gruminator1]

Gaijin values queue time higher than quality time, so they will continue to water down maps and other stuff as long as it shortens the accual battle, so people can feed the queue. I don't think it's as much greed as much a total disregard for gameplay to favour the tiktok generation with their attention span of fruit fly. Instant battles and instant action with no flanking or tactics at all.

[@nattly6340]

but we have that anyway, click to battle, and your in, instantly, and its because gijens match maker and how it fills games is genuinely quite good

[@weiwu1442]

they have the same mindset of when the game had 10k players for some ungodly reason. i’d say 90-120k at any given time would still fill battles even if matchmaking values were tweaked

[@Strv103Moment]

I mean I play EU,US and even at low they fill up pretty fast. I wouldn't be bothered by a bit longer wait and atleast bit less uptiers

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

@@Strv103Moment i wouldnt mind higher queue times if the game modes didnt force matches to end in 5-10 minutes. I have literally had single objective game mode end in 4 minutes beccause a light tank rushed the cap, one team had the cap the whole time so it drained every ticket in 4 minutes. what an actual waste of time for everyone there. after the 2 minute drive you only actually played PvP for 2 minutes.

[@gfimadcat]

Yeah that excuse doesn't fly really - back in the day you could have 30 sec queue time and nobody complained; sometimes a minute, and nobody really complained. Some whinging of "gaem ded" because of it, but it wasn't a big issue. Hell, I'll sit in queue for 2+ minutes if I can get a 16v16 on a big-assed map like the old big Tunisia.

[@373323]

i have lost hope, only waiting for a viable competition to show up , there is no hope talking to the snail

[@ketalegaming2572]

I feel same. Historical game without imaginary tanks like this game and wot would be perfect for me.

[@Dennis-qf6gf]

That's true

[@nyccoyax3831]

what competition? maybe if youre in rank 2 you can switch. veterans that have almost all vehicles will never switch

[@Deadshotter6134]

@@ketalegaming2572 have you tried GHPC?

[@BlueLightningHawk]

I just drowned in the PT-76 on the jungle map, trying to cross the pond. Waves bounced me so much that it drowned me in the pond... I proceeded to take it on a test drive, and it floats just fine on the river in the test drive area. It's good to know ponds make bigger waves than rivers.

[@lrcolville1]

there are a lot of maps with that problem and it's because they border an ocean or sea somewhere. gaijin devs literally just sculpt the terrain over an endless ocean, so if a part of the map dips below sea level, you get giant waves instead of a lake or pond.

[@gamergumilyov8579]

The reason I just turn off brain and head to enemy spawn is because the maps are just big funnels towards thier spawns. I can't just stay at the point and defend because of Chinese names sniping me across the map so I have to keep moving

[@panzer4271]

give us eu servers back

[@ribbon8677]

Wait a second: here's how you disincentivize spawncamping: the amount of points you get for each kill is directly proportional to the amount of time the player has been alive, so a player that has just spawned has little to no rewards, while a good player (who statistically survives the most) gives you more points

[@M1BHOMPSON]

That's inherently flawed, you can't fix bad map design by slightly tweaking a reward system. Because why would you willingly give up space and risk the enemy team having options to regain map control and turn things around. The issue is that spawns late game become death funnels due to how compressed they technically are with how long range tank combat can get. Its also an element of how you have finite spawns in a match, where in battlefield conquest theres no spawn limit and matches are longer so getting pushed to spawn can just be overcomed eventually.

[@M1BHOMPSON]

You would inherently need larger maps to compensate extra capture points, and multiple additional lanes and paths of travel that the enemy team couldnt possibly watch every single angle. You also couldnt just put big pseudo walls around spawns to block line of sights because it would just enhance the death funnel aspect without there being alternative paths of travel

[@just-someone-random]

Makes no diff if u ask me, there is lot of bad/shit players that wouldnt even know about that and would just like to blow something up with their new toy they got online and either way "win bonus" would make up for low exp gain when spawncamping...also the problem is still there, if there is nothing to do on the map u will go to the action right? Enemy spawn in short..

[@triparadox.c]

And there you go. Another way to nerf income. You know they won't increase the kill reward if the enemy has been alive for so long. But they'll chip rewards when the enemy is fresh. Normally, I would agree. But knowing this company we're dealing with, I have zero faith

[@ribbon8677]

@@triparadox.c interesting, thank you

[@salieri_sg9413]

North Holland was going to be my new favourite map... I love Eastern Europe, it's one of my favourites, so when I saw the resemblance I fell in love with the map. And then Gaijin RUINED it by redzoning more than half of it... preventing ANY flanking from happening. How am I supposed to play my light tanks on it?

[@snipes_1138]

Just be come a Lancaster main in ground RB.

[@Cheeset1456]

I despise when game creators get greedy and selfish and forget the main point on we the playerbase play the game. I also want Gaijin to become more responsive and wanting to talk and discuss with the community for what we want. I do understand the Gaijin is a company andd they need to earn money, but they take things too far.

[@gavinjenkins899]

This isn't greedy, because this wouldn't make them any money if players didn't like it. They're doing more of these maps because players DO like them. You're simply in the minority

[@dsmkyle8802]

Them assholes don't respond to jack shit. I gave up and just stopped playing their game it was really good till they changed every damn thing to not work the real way.

[@dsmkyle8802]

​@@gavinjenkins899they make it so the people that pay have the advantage over the people that don't. Look at stats of the pay to win vehicles they are just every so slightly better then the best thing you can grind for years to unlock. So tell me how this is for the people?

[@gavinjenkins899]

@@dsmkyle8802 This is a conversation about maps not vehicles my dude. You can't pay for all the good maps

[@marceloobregon8513]

Unfortunately it is as they say, developers make games for the majority. And most just want fun, shooting and laughter. Not realism or tactics. Developers let themselves be guided by the tastes of teenagers

[@chimera2802]

1:10 the didn't remove the bridge right at the back that is just out of bounds but with almost all MBTs and light tanks you can easily get over and back in bounds before the 25 second timer runs out meaning that change has done absolutely nothing against spawn camping.

[@nyccoyax3831]

yea but question is if thats gonna be crossed out like "red zone". then it doesnt matter

[@l.a.wright6912]

No it just made it harder to defend against

[@373323]

the number and severity of the problems this game has are so numerous, you brought up one, i haven't seen it, this one is extra stupid, just like putting huge berms in front of spawn zones to prevent spawn to spawn direct shooting , spawn camping these days is pretty much standard practice , this would push any new player away from the game in a couple of weeks, airplanes are super OP , so are helicopters , and some can't be shot down, air ordinance out ranges ground anti air range WTH, i could go on, but i think there is a character limit , the snails intentions are questionable, they undid most of the changes we demanded last time, a couple of good once remain, the matchmaker is software trash, and intentionally so , snail won't fix that

[@turlstreet]

6:28 100% Agree with your idea to either have *(1)* choice in what type of maps to choose when entering the game, or *(2)* to be able to choose an appropriate tank line-up, if the map is predetermined. Not every nation has well-balanced line-ups at every BR so it's unfair on those that constantly end up in urban settings with hull-down style tanks. An example of this would be Great Britain's tanks, which have historically been designed with heavily armoured turrets and weight-saving lower plates for strategic, hull-down sniping. This is enormously effective in real-life, which is why Britain remains a top tank nation on any actual battlefield; but in this supposedly realistic game they are relegated to a mid-level tank nation because they are thrown constantly into urban settings, where the lower glacis is an easy one-shot. We then get constant shade from players online (or even in Gaijin's own KZbin & TikTok videos) about "weak lower armour", with none of them realising that those tanks were never designed for such moronic close-quarters, urban brawling. In fact, almost no modern tanks are built for that, but Gaijin insists on every other map being an urban, close-quarters map.

[@liamoliverdarroch6482]

I agree with pretty much everything you say, and I think that something that gaijin cares a lot about for seemingly not much reason is queue times. With a single server selected at most BRs I play I can usually find a game within 30 seconds and if not within a minute. I believe maintaining these short queue times is largely why gaijin doesn't want to do things like your map playlists idea, and why they are reluctant to decompress the BRs (although they've finally started doing that recently). I would not mind waiting 2 or 3 minutes on average to queue, if it means the gameplay experience is better and I don't have to play on maps that don't fit my playstyle or are just utterly terrible. I also think that there are some problems with maps that can't really change with the current gamemodes. I have around 500 hours in game (mostly in ground RB), not a huge amount but definitely not low, and on most maps I can know exactly where my enemies can and will be. The maps are small enough and the games are short enough that in a single match there is usually no player in a spot I didn't think of. I'm not saying I don't get flanked, I'm not saying people don't outsmart me and go places I don't expect, but with everyone coming out of 2 spawn points and not having time or space to take unusual routes, every game goes pretty much the same way. This is one of the large things that I think would make a gamemode such as ground sim EC succeed, or even ground RB EC. Imagine players being on a 10km x 10km or larger map, with more spawn points where being the first into battle isn't important, in a 3 hour long game that you can leave or join any time, meaning that you don't need to rush and be ahead of your team to do well, and instead be more spread out taking your time not knowing where your adversaries will be and also having the ability to engage people at longer ranges. I love fighting people at 2+ kilometers in ww2 tanks where sniping takes skill, and this could allow for that, without also enforcing it. Sure it would be hard to balance the maps but I would take that any day over the current ground RB and ground sim gamemodes. Curious to know what you would think about that. Just in case it wasn't obvious if any ground EC gamemode were added it would run alongside the other gamemodes.

[@guywhodoesstuff3314]

You know what the sad thing is? What you described for ground EC is pretty much exactly how old ground RB used to play. But players got pissy about big maps, arguing that it was annoying driving 5 minutes, only to be one shot and have to start over. Unfortunately, it was those comments that led to smaller and smaller maps, because Gaijin can't think of any creative solutions to the problem. I would love a ground EC mode, I'm sure a lot of people would, especially one where you can keep spawning like in naval EC, but there's a another "problem" with that unfortunately. There used to be a ground EC mode, but what ended up happening is people used ground EC to quickly grind out trees in just a couple of matches due to the high rewards you can earn from EC games. Gaijin didn't like that, it didn't incentivize the purchase of golden eagles or premium accounts to "speed up" the grind. So, unfortunately for us players, I don't think we'll ever get something like that again.

[@adamberes1246]

4:30 a day before yesterday, I had a very good game in my USA toptier lineup on that map, but my team fell apart in the first 5 minutes, so when I died and respawned, I was facing multiple BVMs and Leo2s just sitting hulldown, waiting for people to spawn and kill... Nice map

[@MasterChef5311]

yeah i love how one of the "fixed" maps i played on yesterday, single cap, enemy just sits on cap and holds down our entire spawn because is in a field behind a couple small mounds, literally unwinnable

[@wymonwatson1309]

A lot of the maps are that way, as in if you get a certain end of the map, it's almost guaranteed to be a losing game, there's no balance to the maps, one side almost always has a huge advantage just because of where the spawns are.

[@MrDanieleThiella]

Really feels like the battles I played today, out of 5 battles, 3 were lost, because the enemy team kept mass camping in the capture zone, sometimes because of how much the capture zone was in favor of the enemy, others because they really bringed in battle their two most shittiest tanks that gets one shotted out of battle, then respawn in a horde of Heavy Tanks, (most of those were either Russian or French), and Tank Destoyers (all ASU variants) just kept on high ground and sniped at our team no matter where we tried to go. The olny 2 battles won today were simply out luck or because we might have spawned at the correct map side.

[@Baph14-ev4jw]

They've been cutting out maps since the past updates, it's getting ridiculous 5 mins into the match and a team is already getting spawncamped

[@rowanyuh6326]

When they removed the back route in sinai I broke down.

[@whoareyou1034]

Make spawns more defensible and less accessible.

[@quimleyofficial]

We all know there are massive versions of most ground maps in the game already for air battles, why the hell dont they just increase the size, add more spawn points for different types of tanks and have a zone around the spawn points covered by AI controlled howitzers so if you go too close to the enemy spawn you get blasted, like in air battles with the enemy airfield.

[@rodneycook3674]

A lot of the games problems are inherently linked to the grind and will never be fixed.

[@kireta21]

Considering maps are way bigger than portion we are allowed to use, it would be a fairly simple task to abandon "circle on ground" objective style and instead divide map into control zones. Zone can be captured if there are no enemy units in it, and it is not enclosed inside enemy controlled territory. Players could spawn in any zone that is fully enclosed in friendly territory. There's no ticket bleed. Match ends when specified % of zones is owned by one side, or when enemy has no "safe zones" left to spawn in. This means as game advances and one team is being pushed back, their spawn points are pushed back too. This is where sim-sized maps come into play, this means team has always ground to fall back too, unless they get steamrolled. Friendly zones with enemy units in it, but not allowed to be captured yet (so subject to rush, or a camping site), could be also marked as such, so friendly team is aware of enemy presence there, but without disclosing their exact position, which is IMO good balance here.

[@Riotlight]

I’ve have very similar thoughts about that style of gameplay mechanic, but ultimately when I see how awful and brain dead a lot of players are, I doubt most players would have any idea what to do. I’ve seen so many people fail to understand the importance of de-capping to prevent ticket bleed, or just strait ignoring the cap and leaving it in the enemy’s hands, or driving off the cap while an enemy is present and just remaining on the cap would have won the game. Maybe there could be an opt-in for more complex mechanics for those who do have a brain cell.

[@luthfihar3211]

one addition i want to point out from experience in older games, the cap shouldn't be based on the existence of an enemy but by the ratio between the enemy and ally, making it a bit more fluid and fool proofing it from grievers who would just hide in inaccessible area in the zone. basically: (100%) should make the cap progress really fast >(80% x 20%) split should make the cap progress fast >(50% x 50%) split should make the cap progress slow =(50% x 50%) exact split should make the cap neutral

[@kireta21]

@@luthfihar3211 that would make impossible for one or few players to hold cap, because just being outnumbered would result in them losing it. Not a good thing in game with so little teamplay. This being said, with map cut into dozen or few of sectors, one or 2 holdouts are not going to influence result by much, so no reason to punish skilled players just to spite iddlers.

[@luthfihar3211]

@@kireta21 oh by sectors you mean like a dozen of 2 building block size area? I was thinking like the whole map being cut into 4 or 5 sectors like in the battlefield series If so then i agree with you on that

[@triparadox.c]

Decapping doesn't reward you anything after all..​@@Riotlight

[@Sev07Sniper.]

I have said that the fucking maps on WT are the WORST part of the game, they are AWFUL

[@PlayJasch]

WarThunder is just stale AF. It is ok, but I feel sorry for anyone playing this daily over years. The game has below COD tactical depth.

[@obamagaming6410]

the snail will not be happy about this one

[@ryanberry_]

The Snail shall cope & seethe

[@alessiodiniad]

I personally think that the major problem in the map in war thunder is that for the mid to top br the maps are become to small. i have a machine that can reliably hit a target 3 km away, my enemy have a machine whit similar capabilities, and we are stuck in a map where the longest possible engage distance is 700 m? i think there is a major problem here.

[@YeEpIkAiYeI]

Something you said about how the devs get this "undeserved hate" from the community is somewhat wrong. Because the things that the devs added or changed that hurt the player and his experience feel deliberately done. Like minimun effort at balancing things and making the game painful so people feel like they MUST buy their premiums stuff. There's a difference between trying to do something to umprove the game but ends up badly AND actually making something bad because you're lazy or want more money

[@ryanberry_]

I didn't intend my message to say the hate is undeserved. You must have missed when I said that the negative sentiment is very much deserved, but it doesn't have to be this way, if things change.

[@YeEpIkAiYeI]

@@ryanberry_, sorry then. My brain probably skipped that part ;-;

[@97thGalaxy]

This is why im wanting a map design boycot

[@DantalionNL1]

I got a easy 6 step program for the snail. 0. (preparations) Give players a program where they could make a map in its basic form, 1. Anounce you will have a competition every now and then on who can make the best map and the winning map will be put in the game. 2. Let people play and vote on these maps, then pick the top 3. 3. Make beta versions of those maps, let people play and vote again. 4. Pick a winner and make a finished product. 5. Repeat with themes whenever you need a new map for a update. Kinda how with Counter Strike, alot of the fan favourite maps are origionaly made by players (if not all).

[@sskuk1095]

Finally some good advice!

[@Cowboycomando54]

At this point, I am convinced Gaijin's design and gameplay decisions are deliberately made to frustrate players into spending money.

[@ryanberry_]

Always has been.

[@gfimadcat]

Always has been - I have a vague recollection that someone did a bit of a deep dive on the psychological tricks used by Gaijin and Wargaming to get people to spend money, and they really are very good at it, to the point where a lot of the trickery falls into that area where people will claim something is normal, or it must be confirmation bias, or something similar when you point it out. For instance, try this one on for size with a new account - buy a premium. 99% chance your first match will not only be a win, but you will do very well in it. And this tapers off after ~10 matches. That's something that multiple people have noticed. Heck, I've noticed it and I'm just your average 54-ish% WR player. I don't suck, but I'm not great either. Yet, with a premium that's freshly purchased (back when I still bought some), I always did extremely well. Like, double ace multiple caps coulda-dropped-a-nuke-if-i-paid-attention-that-i-had-one type games, with lucky bounces, clutch shots, and enemy teams of the "paid actor" variety.

[@njorunmimisofficial]

Well, There is a fine line when it comes to WarThunder and this is a major problem with every AAA Title game. War-Thunder's Maps are too Small and too quick in GRB. Maps are supposed to be Massive and utilizes strategy to get to an objective and spotting tanks are determined where they are coming from... So lets begin. - 1. War Thunder should revaluate their maps to include larger maps. As an OPTION! - 2. Banning maps: There is a feature that you are allowed to ban specific maps that you don't like to play on. - 3. Rewards for more points & progression of Battles. In my opinion there should be AI Driving around small vehicles that the Opposing team can destroy to gain a small amount of SL & Progress. - 4. Maps that solely have players is not very enjoyable for the Casual player. We aren't in a Competition or E-Sports Team. We want to enjoy the vehicles, But have to earn it. Specifically the Maps are problematic as a lot of the tanks you use depends on the scenario & Playstyle. (AA Vehicles for example) "They either do no damage to vehicles OR they are very OP". Having Extreme Large maps will ensure that you can turn the tide of battle and have more objectives for players to fight over... You could also Mix Battles so battles are much longer in the new battle mode "War Thunder" You have Mixed Battles that are happening in the same match. Such as Aircraft / Boats / Helicopters(In higher tiers) And utilize them a lot more than what we are limited too. Gaijin is sucking our money and there was a time where WarThunder people boycotted the game until changes were made back in the day. All in all, The problem greatly is not variety of Game-modes that are available. - Arcade mode: Should be the barebones quick & easiest to get used to WarThunder's Mechanics and eventually advance to realistic. (Speaking of witch) - Realistic mode: Larger Maps & more objectives to Capture & Hold. The longer your tank is in the circle, The more points you GAIN rather deplete. Destroying convoy's, Tanks or other vehicles that you come across a small Platoon, you Sabotage the Enemy's bases and claim it for your own. Massive conquest is what it should be called or "War Thunder." The very name of the game. If a Base is Bombed (Every plane, Fighter, Bomber, Helicopter can only be spawned at their respected locations. (Similar to Simulator battles) I am 100% willing to drive my happy ass across the map in order to capture an objective for the team to spawn on and squads would award you double / Triple points depending the size of your platoon. That's my suggestion.

[@njorunmimisofficial]

P.S - I also have to mention about "Spawn camping" I believer there should be a boundary that Enemy players cannot cross: If they cross, They WILL DO NO Damage to that tank. that includes bombs or anything. Having that spawn risk: Just makes other players rather pull back and stay at their objectives rather rush in destroy them from behind & Sit there the hole match: "Spawn protection does nothing" once you move your spawn protection is forfeit: So, I would purpose that another would be : If an enemy player is in the other spawn. MORTAR fire similar to the Artillery barrage. It will instantly hit them each and everytime until their tank is disabled, they can't move and reward the nearest player the kill. This is not Call-of-Duty. or Battlefield, This is WarThunder... I believe that if they can change the game, Update the game and still let people play for free! I believe it would not hurt to adjust the game and give players what we want and hold "TESTS" TRY OUT new game-modes and just DO IT. If it fails, remove it, If people like it do it... It's like the April fools event... Each one is different. But depends on the map, It can be one sided. (Who ever is there Map design Lead) Is a Moron, Js.

[@hansiminator69]

So funny enough, I could literally walk to the German gaijin headquarter lol

[@snipes_1138]

Harass them with posters lol.

[@hansiminator69]

@@snipes_1138 we‘ll make it to the News Boys lol

[@ObamaBinLaden42069]

Warte wo ist der Standort von denen?

[@hansiminator69]

@@ObamaBinLaden42069 Karlsruhe

[@LipziG3R]

A map playlist would be such a great idea. Nothing better than wanting to play some derp tank and all you get is flat open maps. Or you wanna play some slow sniping stuff? Here ... have exclusively city maps. I am so done with this. I know it's bad behaviour but I started to just leave maps I don't like, hop onto another nation and only continue with maps I actually wanna play. I am sorry, but I kinda want to enjoy my time and playing on the wrong side of a spawn-camp map is not my idea of having fun after a 10 hour day at work. Or, as I said ... exclusively playing a type of map that I have no interest in. And sadly there are just so many maps that are generally bad or heavily inbalanced. I also started to ignore everything above 7.x, cause clearly even less maps are made for the APFSDS rangefinder meta. Getting spawn camped in less than a minute is just a stupid experience. I've been with the game since the beta ... and I don't know why I still have any hope for this game, cause Gaijin has proven again and again and again and again that they just don't know what they're doing and even worse ... they just don't learn from any mistakes. But then again ... I barely play anymore, anyways. Because I know the experience will always include frustration. And I just don't really wanna deal with that. Heck, I sometimes spend more time in test drive etc and just look at the great models, cause I just don't wanna join another bad map again. Feels just sad.

[@baraka629]

We just need the D point back. Then everything will be back on track.

[@ryanberry_]

Attack the D point!

[@baraka629]

@@ryanberry_ they took out D Can't have shit in Etroit

[@RenanBecker]

1:10 They released a new map Attica, besides the map being small there is no way to flank

[@KielEire]

it is just insane how long the devs have been out of touch and keep pushing negative changes

[@michigan2974]

right idea, wrong conclusion. Freedom of movement is huge to how the game works, and while it allows to spawn camping, players still have chat, markers, and spawn protection that give them the huge upper hand against spawn campers. the issue is that spawn camping can happen at all especially so fast... the only way to prevent that? LARGER MAPS. The current maps (at least 80% of them) are good for 1.0 to ~7.7, there's maybe 10 good 8.0+ maps, and the rest are unplayable garbage. Red desert almost never has ground based spawn camping (a shit ton of CAS spawn camping, which is the biggest issue with the game, and can easily be solved by raising CAS SP costs by a factor of 3) because it's big enough that no team can have total map control in under 5 minutes like literally every other map. Red Desert, biggest Tunisia layout, and Pradesh should be the only current maps at 9.3+ and the absolute minimum size for future maps at those BRs

[@griffstanker670]

Personally, I think removing rewards for killing people in the spawn region (except SPAA) would help fight off spawn camping. Say you watched an MBT or a heavy tank or a medium tank spawn and you kill it before it gets to leave it's spawn, you get nothing for it. No EXP, no credits.

[@kalim4093]

If this game had a good pve game system it would be better for a lot of players

[@dylandeckard1065]

A few things I would personally like to see is an unlimited-respawn team deathmatch with zero CAS, or a mode from battlefield 1 called operations which would still play with normal cas, but be frontline oriented where the attackers have to take control over the zone for a certain time before moving to the next zone. Another thing I would like proposed is a battle rating change. Instead of the 1.0 BR range, i feel that the range should be the very next lower BR or the very next higher BR. Example of this is a 6.3 vehicle can only face against 6.0 BR vehicles and 6.7 BR vehicles. I truly believe this would be an overall positive change for balance, of course it would take time to go through every single vehicle to place in this new br bracket. I know this is a lengthy paragraph, but i hope something could be taken from this.

[@FabianDialer-vw1zk]

So just like Battlefields Rush gamemode, that one is known to more players.

[@griff_the_boxer]

I don't get why people so vehemently defend CAS in this game. It's really strange. I just played some huge winter map I forgot the name of and spawned in with a Ferdinand. 10 minutes later I finally get towards the ABC points and in a good spot just to hear the sound of a virgin flying toward me and drops a bomb. 10 minutes of my life wasted to die from something I have zero control over. Fun stuff

[@SirenHead00]

the only reason i like cas because you can kill people spawn camping

[@caelisr3]

@@griff_the_boxer being 100% honest that its easy to fix if they gave any type of incentive to play SPAA, but they dont. Also one of the points of why people defends CAS its because it help to balance some nations, for example what happen if theres a Maus on downtier? the only reliable way to take it down its CAS, if not it will be insufferable try to to play against it, that its when CAS and SPAA should come in. In a perfect world for shure.

[@nattly6340]

@@caelisr3 you ever heard of heatfs? in a down tier there is still plenty of stuff that can kill a maus, war thunders population just shits itself when they cant centre of mass the enemy and win

[@miles_da-tractor_man]

It should be that a ‘tank’ (ai controlled) will shoot at you when you get to close to spawn and it has stupidly good ammunition that can 1 shot everything

[@Soridan]

Like old AA batteries?

[@Yikersson]

man i hope you or one of the war thunder youtubers can get theses guys to do something

[@alexwilbrecht6962]

Maps need to be bigger. Almost all flank routes end up going directly to the enemy spawn.

[@perhansen3959]

Since some players started to complain about destroyed map they have been destroyed, i miss the old maps, when it was fun and you needed skill to play the game. Today its boring/matchmaking is idiotic/and game full of cheat RB/AB...total crap now, donno how it could get so bad !.

[@respublikas]

Tons of wishfull thinking and delusions...Why is everyone ignoring the fact that gaijin is generaly constructing an anoyance trap for players.They dont give a F**** how anyone feels playing their scam game,the worse the player expirience the better,as long as they play..

[@yummypiee6981]

The issue is lack of good updates, and the grind wall. People play like pricks because if they don't they won't get anywhere. Playing anything other than fighters in air RB has been literally pointless for over a year

[@artobjective]

There are old maps we don’t get to play anymore.. reactivate them with like what u say different objectives beyond capping … great video I totally agree. i am loosing the fun of the game

[@vagneralmada7804]

How about a map creator to Let the players make some maps?

[@pokeface119]

The biggest issue on a lot of maps are spawn positions (Their location, terrain geometry, flanked positions, and coverage..) and locations that you can get to where you can spawn kill within seconds of a match starting.. I think they should vote on which couple maps should be altered each update and proceed to fix them, then over time the issue will be resolved.

[@d35tr0y3r]

Instead of changing the maps gaijin should make the reward for killing an enemy increases for how long that enemy has been alive so the reward would be really high for campers and really low for spawn camping

[@conehed1138]

As you alluded to, Gaijin views War Thunder as a mobile game. More frustration = more money. At this point, Gaijin's actions have gone well beyond mere incompetence. Oh so many productive solutions have been proposed over the years, and Gaijin ignores them. They only time the community got them to act was the review bombing, and even then, Gaijin did the bare minimum to retain their playerbase. Look at the research bonus debacle. It's humiliating, frankly. They aren't engaging in good faith

[@Alextz_Gr]

Guys, eastern europe north part is still accesible for all tanks, but its a bit harder to cross. You can still cross from both sides with non amphibious vehicles if you step on the bridge ruins. But only on the starting bridges i think. The middle ones (closer to B) are not possible to cross.

[@floridamanstrikesagain6915]

Babe cant wake up cos shes getting spawncamped...

[@brendanz1442]

Well imo. If the passions gone, and just their hunger for money remains, nothing will get fixed at this point. For example: they've raised to cost of premium vehicles way to high. At this point I think we almost need a new game from a different dev. I know thats pretty extreme but id rather play a game from a company who actually cares.

[@orka5352]

They've butchered Jungle. It used to be such an open and flankable map, now it is regulated to just three lanes like a damn MOBA.

[@sirjolly81]

They make a map where you have to drive out of spawn up a hill. why do this. you cant even get out of first gear then you peak the hill and get dead! so many bad maps that are so large it takes 5 min to drive to a location and died from light tank snipers.

[@phenomagator]

War Thunder could be so much better. Hopefully the community comes together and gently pushes Gaijin into making some positive changes for the health of the game.

[@Strv103Moment]

With gaijin the only thing that works is probably the thing with reviews.Its one way of making them know that they are out of touch with how the game is now

[@astoran3147]

Speaking of Squad Spawn protection should work the same as main base protection works in Squad.

[@snipes_1138]

I liked how spawn protection worked in heroes and generals. There was a spawn zone around your spawn that you would be invisible to the enemy team until you fired a gun.

[@philippcathrein9947]

I think the problem with map “playlists” would be, that there will be none choosing to play on long range maps with lets say their US 5.7 lineup because they know it will be swarming with 5.7-6.0 Germany which severely outclass them there. So they will play only close range maps. This will IMO lead to close range maps being full of nations and players with lineups suitable for CQC and anyone with a lineup not particularly good at CQC will just select the long range maps. In the end there will be almost like "two different Warthunders". Where one will be a Jumbo vs Jumbo CQC nightmare and the other will be a VIDAR snipe fest. I'm exaggerating of course but I think you can understand what the problem might be. I know its not fun going up against a Panther at 1000m in your 76 Sherman but that's a part of this game that makes it somewhat balanced. Maybe you dominate in your Panther this game, but next map will be a city map, and you get destroyed by jumbos. If you take that dynamic away it will become very monotonous IMO.

[@venusflytrap2622]

The problem already starts at the point that there are already 95% of CQC maps, out 73 maps 68 are CQC centered. Its one reason why I uninstalled a few weeks back because it annoyed me so much that every match is a 200m snap reactiontest. Its not about changing tactics but rather forcing one single damned playstyle that makes the whole gameconcept redundant. Why have several hundred or thousands of vehicles with all their features and quirks when only maybe 100-200 vehicles are actually viable? It doesnt matter which nation I play to me, I can wreak havoc with US, RU, GB, GER at any BR but its frustrating that with all the differences of the nations you are always forced into the same playstyle.

[@mrbeast85]

Yes the problem with allowing bans or map play lists is that there is not an even spread of people that want to play all the maps. So if like me you prefer open country maps that look like real places, with good firing positions, sight lines and encourage longer range engagements (you know, like how tanks work IRL) then you could be either waiting a very long time for a game, have very small teams or have to play with bots to fill the gaps (good luck if you're the token human player on that team!). A lot of players complain about having to actually drive to the battle for a minute or shoot at anything over 100m. I already think that the ability to ban or dislike maps actually messed up the map rotation when they brought it in. There are maps in WT I have played on a single occasion, because they are unpopular!

[@mrbeast85]

@@venusflytrap2622 Yes the balance of map styles is way off. I prefer longer range maps, especially at high tier, but I understand that not all do. But the balance between the 2 is totally out of whack. WT needs a good mix of the two; sure you might not like CQB maps, but if the mix is right, next battle there's a good chance you'll get a map that suits your preferred play style more. At the moment this does not happen.

[@Strv103Moment]

Map has problem with spawncamping? Lets cut off any good spots. Gaijin cant make a decision with changes of existing maps or new ones

[@cc-bk3tx]

Funny enough, it actually encourages spawn camping because you are making it way easier to spawn trap players

[@PanzerSteinn]

7:00 exactly, we really need new modes, something like "Rush" in battlefield

[@Drakey_Fenix]

Adding "playlists" sounds like a great idea. Me and my friends absolutely hate big open maps and prefer cqb that city maps offer. They really should add a feature like that

[@zephyr_haru]

I had enough of "red zone" back then now this..? Gaijin.. you gotta be pooping on me...

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

What War Thunder really needs is more game modes. Right now ground battles just feel boring because it’s the same thing over and over again. You spawn in, move to the point, sit around and capture the point, and then whatever team has the advantage moves into spawncamping the other team, ensuring that the one team being spawncamped could never recover and guaranteeing the other team’s victory. And then everyone gets killed by the clearly unfair advantage of CAS. What War Thunder desperately needs is more game modes and more variety. Maybe have a game where one team has to escort a defenseless AI convoy and the other team has to ambush them. Maybe have a capture the flag game mode. Maybe have game modes where you have to utilize actual military tactics and stay in formation. That’s what would make War Thunder have more variety and be arguably more fun, rather than an endless grind of playing game after game that feels the exact same.

[@kapytanhook]

Yeah, i liked that in wot. Sometimes they made the enemy stronger and made you defend a point close to you. You could be on the attack too. Also bigger maps and make it easier to people to have more diverse tanks at a certain br. Currently at 4.7 Germany, all I can pick are TD's and spaa, i cringe when I hit COD maps and have no heavy

[@oneks489]

Need a ground ec mode with some bigger fields, especially if they plan on adding fortifications building

[@ZedTerminator]

this right here, most of my squadron is in favor of a 32 vs 32 ground ec where it could be like sim but ground rb and you keep spawning on a way bigger map, the map sizes right now are the issue in my opinion, it constricts what they can make, if they do it bigger then they can add long range fights with a few cqb sections, would also help spaa as cas wont know where theyre sitting right away. its hard to balance maps that were only meant for ww1, ww2, and early cold war vehicles.

[@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960]

if they turn fire arc into just straight up "outskirts of kursk" and make it 5x5 km with multiple bridges and large villages to accomodate a lot of players and make it suitable for long battles it'd be a banger for WW2 larping

[@Hidet0shialt]

I don't think artificially reducing the players freedom to use the map is a good idea, alternatively, I think that thhe geographical features of the map itself should act as obstacles that exchange a players time to cross them for valuable strategic gameplay time. If a player spent some good minutes getting into a place where they can camp one capture point, I got no problem with that. I'm even fine with obstacles only certain vehicles can cross like the downed bridges used by amphibious tanks, but in such cases I think your suggestion of different map tags (urban, open etc) when selecting the battle would help players that don't have such vehicles. I think the main problem to be solved rn are the map features that allow those spawncamping and general camping positions to go unpunished.

[@grumpydave7329]

%80 of the maps are a joke imho. I refuse to even play like 6 or 7 of them.

[@Pandorium]

Nearly every match, there are people, ignoring the caps and pushing directly to the enemy spawn and start spawncamping. There could be methods to prevent this, like no-go zone near the enemy spawn and so on.

[@simply_eli01]

See here's what they're trying to do and them removing the bridges in European Province prove my point. They're trying to force only two kinds of combat in Ground RB to lower the skill ceiling and encourage brainless gameplay. By lowering the amount of flanking routes you're limited to two forms of combat: Head on slogs where only the nations with the strongest of armor and guns win or CAS spam used to try and break up the frontline to push through the slogs. That way they can promote more junk as tank and aircraft premiums with weapons meant to cater to this style of combat. They are trying to make this game like World of Tanks, just without the premium ammo.

[@nyccoyax3831]

map playlist is something that really needs to happen. there is so many maps you wont get for weeks and others you get all the time.. especially in ground battles

[@TheDgamesD]

bring back white rock fortress my beloved..

[@Strv103Moment]

That map was nice,used to enjoy it a bit as a new players

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

God I hated that map. Every game, one team wouldn't know what a flank is and would lose the game being spawn camped in the first 5min

[@codemy666]

Something like battlefield's rush would be amazing for this game. However they'd need to remove the SP system for ground vehicles, for it to work (there used to be a gamemode like that with the old SP costs, so when you got downtiered in a heavy and died quickly then you couldn't respawn and the whole long gamemode just became boring because there weren't enough enemies or teammates). If gaijin doesn't want to remove the SP for ground vehicles then alternatively they could reset the lineup for both teams when an objective is taken (aka the tanks you died in could be used again and the spawn cost would get reset too). Once the objective is taken all players get their spawnpoints reset to 400SP, unless they have more than that. This in return would ensure that there would be enough players for all objectives and it won't become a weird ass witch hunt and since WT's RP rewards are dependant on staying in the match then this would also incentivise players to stay. This would also increase ground rewards and would probably be on par with the air battle rewards, fixing another issue. Couple this with the spawn areas that some people below suggest, you could get a really nice and dynamic gamemode that would allow for some nice positioning, instead of being a linear mess the game currently aims to be. To fix spawncamping you could draw a line though which the attacking team can't advance, in return the defending team can drive as far as they'd like but going past the objective at some point they become spotted on the map (like 200-500m past the objective, depending on the map sizes, the sim maps can get pretty big tbh). To add more depth you could force each player to only spawn one plane and heli per match so they couldn't be spammed, also the players who die in an air vehicle don't get their SP replenished for the next objective and would only be allowed to spawn SPAA , so there would also be a penalty for it, but they'd still have an use and wouldn't have to stare at blank screen (they'd have a chance to return to a tank on the next objective).

[@elobiretv]

The game would be a lot more fun if you could play too without worrying about running out of SP or using all your tanks and being forced back to the hanger. The whole monetisation system is based around it though and they sell those respawn tickets to let you re-use a tank.

[@momobos6513]

wll they fed up long time ago...no hill climbing,red zones,reduced traction,literal hallway maps with red zones on both sides...you say players have to much freedom of movement, i say oposite is the case...in eastern europe other side of the map was rarely used for spawncamping...main role was to flank B point, without it map makes 0 sense...the only thing we see i game progresively getting worse, negating map knowledge,creative use of positioning in order to level the playing field...and all that bc most of the players cant get into their heads that flanks need to be protected, most of the matches are center line slugfests, and anyone with half braincell opting for flank is "abusing" the map...i love the game , but lets face it its hot garbage, and with every update its getting worse....oooooo, new update lets see where else i CANT go now...lol

[@leflavius_nl5370]

Please for God's sake don't bring in advisors *from* the communutt for fixing INDIVIDUAL MAP DESIGN ISSUES. The map design team has a systematic issue: they seem to just...be doing something. It's not design (methodical problemsolving leading to a solution, in this case a new map), it's gibberish. They need to be taught how to design maps.

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

Forumites, scrip receiving CC's, and whatever the fuck this late stage Roman Empire tiktok sloppa mess that makes up the player numbers is, are probably the worst possible for this. Basically snail janissaries that will go pibbles over the price of window fascia, and solve nothing. On the contrary, they use Soviet style mathematical problem solving. History and current events tells you how that works. It doesn't, at least not any measure of well, like the apple slicer. It's fueled by a rotted society of aggressive mediocrity which exists as long as the apathetics allow them to feed the cube.