Infinite problems of War Thunder tanks

War Thunder is riddled with problems, but it's not a lost cause. Not yet.
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00:00 - Intro
00:50 - Tank - Paper - Scissors
03:04 - Standing in circles
05:40 - THE GRIND
08:15 - Speak up!
#warthunder #warthundergameplay #warthunderguide #warthundergroundforces #warthunderreview #warthundertanks #warthundergrind #warthundertank

[@HermesGrey]

I wouldnt mind the 5 hour version

[@Ohsobadly]

This.

[@haashy_1503]

Yea.

[@oldie-se]

+1

[@tutorikus650]

fr

[@idhqbqjqsixjbsnqkwiwhs]

Same

[@StudiomcmasterTV]

"Do you play war thunder?" "Yes" "Do you hate it?" "Yes" "Then why do you play it?" "Because tank go vrooom"

[@kimjanek646]

Based 😂

[@doctorgumballjlo4718]

“Target Destroyed”

[@justakitsune1502]

Tonk go boom = *neuron activation*

[@StudiomcmasterTV]

@@justakitsune1502 So true

[@borbduck]

If "target destroyed": Monke brain = neuron activation;

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Last time I was this early War Thunder was a WWII only game and promised to never add supersonic jets, ATGMs, guided missiles, and modern vehicles.

[@Huey101Shots]

That's what they all say.

[@Liniyka]

Remember the 2017 April fool's event? What was a joke back then, is now a very broken reality

[@Huey101Shots]

@@Liniyka 100%

[@KekusMagnus]

@@Liniyka reminder that the T-90A was at BR 14.3 Rank 9 in that event

[@a_catfish5180]

Oh but we were kidding about the jets but no top tier jets we promise….

[@czeszym]

The only reason that Gaijin succeded is because they don't have competition in tank "realistic" games. They put out enlisted with the same greedyness and they failed massively, because there were better WW2 shooters to play. If someone made a better alternative, everybody would have abandoned War Thunder. There is just one problem: no one wants to do it. Why: they are scared of failure because they see war thunder and think that Gaijins monopoly is to powerful.

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

World of Tanks is the only other alternative i can think of that’s even close to War Thunder. And even then it’s far from realistic. You can just shoot at the engine enough times and eventually the whole tank will go boom. Realistically shooting at the engine or even the radiator or transmission will immediately immobilize the tank. And if we were being ultra realistic the engine and all other components would wear down over time and eventually you may have to J out.

[@szybkizenek6292]

Wot is much much bigger. Casual players who wants to play tanks play wot. WT is for more into players

[@priyansnhughosh4431]

you should try GHPC,its the best war thunder alternative i know of

[@Pvt_Wade]

​@@therealspeedwagon1451if we are being ultra realistic the crew would automatically bail out when their tank can't move anymore

[@m-g-b513]

so what are those better alternative WW2 shooter games?

[@Huey101Shots]

I see Gaijin let you out of the basement today.

[@Liniyka]

It's their turn to be locked in the basement until they actually work on the game's issues

[@Huey101Shots]

@@Liniyka Straight up.

[@aurorathearcticwolf4243]

ground needs fixed, air needs fixed, naval is uhhhh...... naval

[@pizzasharkguy3807]

Naval is yea... Gotta love how at each higher tier it goes further and further into the past where the top tiers are WW1 battleships, the final tier is prob gonna be a age of sail boat at this rate xD

[@cardiv5zuikaku944]

As a guy that has like, 3 Japanese battleships Grinding here is much more painful than ground, I do like how the AA is an absolute menace to CAS, making CAS as not as a problem as in tank does, it does however, suffer badly from balancing, if heavy units are almost useless in GRB, in Naval RB, the bigger guns you have and the bigger you are, the more likely you win. where other lighter stuff needs to aim at specific parts, battleship can just sneeze on them and make them lose 50% of their crew, don't even try to be daredevil destroyers like in WoWS, DD here move very slowly, and the closer you get, the easier for the big ship to hit you, as secondaries can be controlled manually

[@dinamosflams]

I have no idea how naval battle works, I don't think naval players know either

[@rebelgaming1.5.14]

​@@pizzasharkguy3807I mean, a BB is going to crush most destroyers and Cruisers regardless of construction year. HMS Dreadnought would fuck up a Gearing in pretty much any gun engagement.

[@sleepy1066]

​@@cardiv5zuikaku944 Granted, WoWs DDs are insanely annoying aswell, especially the torpedo spamming DDs. (Dont get me started on CVs in WoWs, theyve been the bane of fun for the past 4 years or so).

[@Kenji-sg5ti]

This needs to be seen by more people

[@Liniyka]

Thank you!

[@julianmorrisco]

It does. But I’ve been playing for 6 years, and stopped last December. The game is just getting worse. Gaijin is getting greedier. Yes, we made our displeasure known last year (or was it the year before?) and you could almost smell the sweat as Gaijin had a panic attack about their gravy train going off the rails. And, for once, they made changes that didn’t make things worse. The ‘monkey paw’ be careful what you wish for approach to customer feedback that Gaijin has. I’d been feeling a bit dirty giving them money for stuff after the z-fashy slips they had but I was still playing. When the great review bomb attack didn’t address a lot of the main issues I have with the game, spawn camping and the module grind for example, I decided to call it a day. I still watch videos to see if there’s any improvement, after all I did play nearly every day for six years. But no. And so far, I’m glad I’m out. Anyone want to buy an account with nearly every premium up until they started charging more than $50 for a single plane or tank? No? I’m joking. I’m hanging on to my account just to see is things get better when the game stops expanding in users, and it will happen. Fingers crossed that won’t just make Gaijin try to grift harder before it all goes belly up!

[@Jonnesdeknost]

I'm amazed how you can actually use the rakjagpz or whatever its named. Never seen it used so well

[@Haeruna]

Lini: -using manual control missiles like its nothing- Also Lini: I play Air RB.

[@C8-H8]

@@Haerunato be fair mclos missiles on ground vehicles aren’t to hard to use with a little practice, it’s just saclos missiles are so much easier to use so mclos feels hard

[@theBrid-gv8je]

I'll be honest, from seeing how people play that vehicle I had no idea it had guidance

[@Laurtl1]

9:12 I would argue Gaijin does not even care about the playerbase, all free players could leave, if the whales stay and keep Gaijins profts up they wont change a thing. The only reason they reverted the economy changes was because even the whales were leaving.

[@Liniyka]

Well, if free players leave then queues get longer and whales get angry. F2P players definitely have at least some value in Gaijin's eyes

[@INeatFreak]

I think more so the new players weren't coming, that's why. Biggest whales for Gaijin is those who watch Top Gun and download the game, realize it's gonna take forever to grind your way to F-14 and just pay 60$ to get the top tier jet, if he stays and pays more, even better for Gaijin. If he leaves then they already got their money. They asked Steam to remove the negative reviews because it pushing off a lot of new players.

[@polo4228]

​@@INeatFreakthat sounds illegal yet totally normal for a greedy company to do 😂

[@INeatFreak]

@@polo4228 I would be more critical of the Steam for accepting their request and removing those negative reviews... Not sure how it's considered "Off Topic" when it negatively affects literally every players experience.

[@polo4228]

@@INeatFreak you present a fair point. I wouldn't know of the implications it would have on Steam if they had the balls to say no but obviously they'd be bad enough for Steam to go along with it

[@StealthySpace7]

No joke, my life has been better since I quit. I had top tier air and ground in 3 or 4 trees and mid tier in the rest. 2,000+ hours. I quit back in January. Haven't looked back

[@pasha_gascogne]

same, I had enough of the game at the end of 2023 so I one day sat there and just deleted it, my life is still kinda meh but without WT and multiplayer games in general I feel better right now

[@tirushone6446]

I like how in the first 2 minutes of the video you have thought about game design more then gijian has in 10 years

[@indeedDE01]

I think Gaijin just needs some competition.

[@jajo83]

Yea if they will be competition War Thunder will die faster that Morbius

[@sleepy1066]

Kinda like with Enlisted, they tried being greedy, didnt work considering games like Hell Let Loose exist

[@jacaredosvudu1638]

​@@sleepy1066 funny you say it, as the HLL devs are almost as greedy and their game is paid

[@mightywolf4047]

Where is the 5 hour long video? I want to see it please.

[@Liniyka]

Please don't make me do this 😭 It's gonna be torture for both you and me

[@mr.tweaty]

@@Liniyka Where is the video? We are waiting...

[@democracy_enjoyer]

​@@Liniyka the snail demands your video

[@deltawolf1465]

CAS is my main problem with WT

[@Dregomz02]

8.0-10.0 GRB is unplayable with those CAS spammers

[@Lexus-fo3ey]

The worst part is that CAS is just annoying. But when im in any plane it is just boring even when i get kills the only fun i had in a plane was with my Pe-8 and a friend carpet bombing the whole map

[@Otakumanu]

It also requires players to either be willing to invest in AA vehicles or be willing to use a fighter in a tank match. The game forces you into it even if you don't want anything to do with planes.

[@probalance1321]

And if you commit to the AA grind, and you shoot down like 5 or 6 planes, there's next to no real reward for it. Still towards the bottom of the score board

[@jasskeeper8152]

GRB is full of american CAS

[@ryguy-qh2qk]

Ground is so bad I can’t even force myself anymore, getting top tier grinding all the way is literally not fun and it won’t be the way it is now

[@maggyyolokraut1941]

With over 3000hr in the game and only having watched 2 mins of the video, I can only say your so right

[@ah-64apache92]

Based and chadpilled chanel

[@Liniyka]

Thank you very much ❤️

[@Collat3ralD4mage]

The spawn points for CAS needs to be increased, rewards for killing CAS need to be increased and the rewards for playing SPAA. Also (because I really only play top tier Germany, Sweden, and USA) SPAA missiles need to be buffed or made more responsive even if it’s not “historically accurate” CAS is a problem.

[@g.williams2047]

Gaijin will never buff SPAA as then idiots won't drop $70 on a new CAS premium.

[@gian.4388]

And killing tanks with SPAA should also be discouraged by giving considerably lower rewards for them imo

[@TrepidDestiny]

@@gian.4388 All that will do is completely discourage players from even taking SPAA in the first place. There isn't always a plane or a heli up, but when there is, you're glad someone spawned SPAA.

[@TheGXDivider]

They will end up selling a 7.7 spaa with 20G missiles for USD 70, and put it at 9.0 one year later

[@RedalertnoobieVOD]

I'm British AA, what are missiles? We don't get funny things like starstreak till 10.3. It can be really annoying to kill 4 enemy planes and still be lower on the board compared to someone with 1 assist. Would be interesting to get more rewards if you manage to take out the plane that still has their ordinance

[@DracoSen21]

The game mode COD WW2 had where one team attacks and the other defends and the offense moves up as you succeed is a need

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

That's also Rush from Battlefield.

[@AshenVanguard]

Actually as a long time player, I find researching tanks easier and faster than air. Simply because you have multiple spawns. In air RB you spawn, fly for 20 minutes to just reach the battlefield. And then you get one shot by someone with an explosive 30mm round from behind, while your pilot goes sleepy time from G overload

[@zaikasolnse]

depends on how good you are and how good your teammates are ( also luck ) if you kill more than one enemy in air rb then you can easily do the trees. And to me, ground RB is harder.

[@AshenVanguard]

@@zaikasolnse Yeah, I'm just mostly speaking about my experience at 10.0, 11.0. That shit is just ridicolous with those missiles. A little lower BR, yeah, it's better, a lot better than ground RB

[@zaikasolnse]

@@AshenVanguard it usually only takes my 5-10 minutes to reach the battlefield though ( I play 4.3 ) also my friends at high tier just send multiple missiles after multiple people to kill more.

[@AshenVanguard]

@@zaikasolnse I play ground attackers so yeah, I haven an issue there xD I'm always the target

[@ah-64apache92]

Planes bro is soo happy now not knowing horrors of planes and helis

[@one-nu2dh]

Planes are way more fun than the tanks imo but that's probably because i enjoy flying

[@Umar-oq3rp]

Planes are way more easier to grind compared to tank and I know it because it took me longer to grind germany ground than germany airforce

[@kenoby2330]

Grinding air RB is SIGNIFICANTLY easier than grinding ground RB.

[@kenoby2330]

I grinded the entire soviet air tree and it was painful but even grinding 1 tank in ground RB made me want to uninstall the game. Its torturous

[@frankf6716]

Your manual ATGM control is quite insane! The point I am mostly agreed with is the Grinding part. By default, the research point of Air RB is about 4.5x to the ground RB. For some parts and modification, you will need hours of grind to be even useful, not just enemy's food playing ground tech tree vehicles (like M46 - M48 tanks). Other than that, I kind of see the reason for only 3 simple capture points. The actually strategy evolves around these capture points can be very complex, and sometime quite elegant by different maps. Just like football/soccer, there is only 2 goals, and the field is plain, but the gameplay/strategy around it can be very thrilling. It is the other unbalanced parts and low average player experience that lead to some stale experiences. For the CAS/AIR problem in ground RB, there is something called Arcade battle mode...Ok, Jokes aside. I do agree Gaijin's purposefully doing this: they think Air is the main part of the game, and they want to make sure that AIR could have superiority in the combined RB mode. For one reason, this is for the realistic experience. CAS/Air superiority is never a fair game in real world. The side losing it is probably just going to L. Another point: most player probably start ground mode from AB. Once they get more experienced and move to RB, Gaijing just want to lure them into playing Air part of the game, simply by showing them how effective the CAS element in the combined game mode.

[@ajsliter]

I used to play War Thunder and World of Tanks. Once WoT became unplayable I started War Thunder, then it declined and right before the review bombing I deleted my account. Best decisions I've ever done. I was up to 6.0 in tanks, but it wasn't worth the grind at that point. Heck, It started to get insane at 4.0.

[@user-kd7ew7jq3f]

I dont get it Im still enjoying the game

[@NinoPanino]

I got to 6.0 in 2 weeks bro what are you talking about grind. I did have premium time though.

[@glizygxbler3131]

@@NinoPaninoi got to 7.0in 1 month with no premium

[@Dregomz02]

@@NinoPanino got to 8.0 Italy within ~2 weeks (plus few days) with just premium acc and not feeling like playing it anymore since most matches are uptiers to 8.7-9.0 CAS spammers are everywhere it's not fun

[@penapvp2230]

@@glizygxbler3131 ive been playing casually on-and-off for 5 years and my best vehicle is the IS2, not everyone gets everything the same or does everything the same

[@CatsAreAmazing8187]

I wish the community would do waves of bad reviews with every single bad change, especially now since we know it works.

[@adaskoblondynek7262]

7:12 gajin would justify it by saying that there is an gamemode with ai only and dont have to fight against real people

[@guvyygvuhh298]

The grind gets even worse if u want to be effective and have a lineup. For arb even if u wanted u cant bring more than 1 plane. Map design also matters a lot, every single map added in the last year or so was complete garbage and broken, all have overpowered spots that break the game flow etc. That is not an issue in arb. Playing ground honestly feels like cbt sometimes

[@thewaffleman]

More people need to realize just how greedy gaijin truly is, prioritizing profit over giving the playes a fun experience

[@Arnechk]

Yet people still play.

[@cuhyotepowered1201]

Gaijin is never going to do anything because the player base is stupid. Most of them are “addicted” to a video game they hate. The only way they’ll take a hit is if either someone comes along to compete with their product or they themselves give up on WT and I don’t see either of these things happening soon. Nobody plays naval and those that do absolutely hate it. Gaijin has almost all but abandoned it because of the low player count and the fact that players know there are other better alternatives.

[@dioniscaraus6124]

And when Gaijin started to implement some improvements the player base immediately gave up on the boycott and not pushed harder while they had the momentum.

[@hassandabo6288]

Low tier is fun, top tier is pain. War thunder logic.

[@SirusFIN]

GRBs biggest issue is CAS, solution: higher sp cost for planes with ground strike capabilities (bombs, rockets, AP belts etc.) and make the planes spawn from the runway (maybe exept bombers). also ground only mode would be also highly apprecieted. boycot vol2 when?

[@TheRoygbiv52]

I went into a battle in the American T34, got 4 kills and won the match. This only got me halfway into researching improved parts.

[@polo4228]

I killed 7 players in a row with the G6 and it got me tires

[@Dregomz02]

spading takes AGES i hate it so much they should cut it's xp by x4

[@contemptordreadnought]

​@@Dregomz021 top tier mod like laser rangefinder is 24k rp :(

[@aapovaarala]

@@Dregomz02 Your not suppose to spade it immediately, you are suppose to get it spaded when you have mastered it. Its kinda like skins in other games, You get nice skins when you really good with the gun, thats the idea, Remember war thunder is a job

[@aapovaarala]

@@contemptordreadnought Its honesly pain, max modification cost should be 10K

[@taumil3239]

Dogfighting in GRB is the most fun to be had in this game

[@draekoth]

I got no desire for RB tanks, everything about it is slow, plus you gotta deal with planes. Arcade tanks is where it's at. So much more fun

[@aapovaarala]

Depends on which you like more, RB is more realistic tanks are slow in real life

[@grimflame3998]

I want that frontline game mode we had once a year

[@tiesvantrigt6139]

I want to offer a slightly different perspective and pose some arguments, I am of the opinion that war thunder is a game with amazing potential which is being squandered by gaijin. However some criticism in this video is a little over the top. 0:00 - Gaijin is slowly removing any way to get any kind of premium currency or gaijin coins without paying, fully agreed and it fucking sucks. 1:48 - Having this tank, paper, scissors triangle type of balance only works if you have classes with very small deviations among each class. With war thunder having so many different vehicles in each class which can vary amongst each other a lot it kind of merges into a circle balance where almost every unique vehicle has it's place. 2:10 - When I play Ground RB I mostly play

[@Liniyka]

You're probably right about balancing classes, I'm a tank noob after all. But it seems we both want the same things from Gaijin

[@asancoon2363]

I feel with the stock missile thing to be not as bad as stock shell. I'd argue at 11.0+ where it matters more, they do give you kind of workable missiles stock. But you can always farm the ai for xp as well. Under 11.0, you can always full send head ons if you don't have the performance. You don't see many all aspects here either and the ones you do see are easy to decoy if shot frontal aspect. Imo the bigger issue here is 9.0-10.3 where you can see decent rear aspect missiles go against planes with no flares

[@MikaeIla]

I do not entirely agree on your 2:36 point. It would be a good argument not to spawn a specific vehicle if this game had an unlimited amount of respawns for any of the vehicles player has (or at least if your spawns were limited by a team tickets, like in the Battlefield games). Otherwise let's say you take a fast tank into the uptier and lose it. Then by your advice next course of action would be just to leave the battle entirely. Without changes to how the spawn system works many players are gonna be frustrated by the balance issues nevertheless, because they are forced at one point or another to either leave the battle or suffer against unfair opponents.

[@tiesvantrigt6139]

@@MikaeIla I can see how you interpreted it that way but that's not entirely what I meant. When starting a battle most people start off with the vehicle they feel most comfortable in with that specific map, that's their best vehicle for the occasion. This way when you die early in your best vehicle you'll be facing up against more of the enemies best vehicles until they can be picked off and the enemy will be forced to spawn their weaker vehicles. The penalty for dying early is being at a disadvantage for at least part of the remainder of the battle. That doesn't mean you should immediately leave, it just means you have to use your next best vehicle. If you survive for longer your reward is having a "better" tank then the enemies. In the end technically you would probably perform best by having a lineup, spawning the best vehicle for the map and then leaving the match. So if you want to maximized your K/D that would be the way to play. For actually grinding, spawning another vehicle and continuing with the battle is more effective because activity is more important than a K/D. There's definitely problems with saying "just spawn x tank in x up/downtier. Some lineups don't have any reliable light tanks like 5.0-7.0 Germany where you only have armor reliant tanks. some have no heavies like Sweden, Israel and France kinda. It's just a rule of thumb I use to try to make the grind slightly more reliable and enjoyable.

[@shulk7368]

I have been playing this game for 8 years and I didn’t buy any premiums or used irl money in this game. I still haven’t maxed out any tech tree.

[@Cyberwolf0158]

good for you. it's getting worse from br 8.0 and higher.

[@Dregomz02]

@@Cyberwolf0158 i'm stuck at 8.0 with Italy since i'm have difficulty playing with giga tryhard players that spot you from 20km away and spam CAS constantly. Camping in a corner like a little b1tch with engine turned off is also so annoying and stressful to play against

[@aynersolderingworks7009]

@@Dregomz02bro un ironically get better, you’ll have fun until true top tier, 8.7 is the last bracket where you can enjoy the game, 11.7 is just a point and click game, and it’s just a matter of who has apfsds and thermals, stock grind is fucking horrible because tanks either have era or composite armor, I grinded ffrance and have the 2 first Leclercs, top tier is just shit, stick to 8.7 max

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

@@Dregomz02get good 😂

[@critical_crunch]

Got a War Thunder Mobile ad right as you said “Gaijin, listen to me-“

[@StrikeWyvern]

I play tanks for the sole reason to get in a plane, it's just a race to the air.

[@IMP-vi6je]

hearing tf2 music in the background i understood this is just a waste of time he will till me water isn't always liquid and the grass isn't always green

[@Andrew-xq7ni]

When youve already invested enough hours to get near top tier so you got to keep going

[@Stoneyisstoned]

In battlefield 5 we had a game mode called “breakthrough” there were multiple sectors and you had 2 bases in each sector. If you capped both bases the sector would move forward with the barrier changing so that you would die if you didn’t move forward. This prevented spawn camping and constant mobility. There was also a limited amount of planes each side could have (around 2) I believe this could make GRB better.

[@g.williams2047]

The problem is inherently with the grind. If Gaijin released a new mode, people will ignore the objectives just to rush in fast light tanks to spawncamp the other team.

[@Stoneyisstoned]

@@g.williams2047 I see what you mean but the LT issue could be solved by using maps with lots of cover and as tanks will blown up by the game(not the players) this encourages playing the objective. But the grind is already a problem the gaijin shows they don’t care abt. But they also show that they don’t care about adding new games as they’re scared it might split the community. I fr can’t wait for a new game to come out cause as soon as that happens I’m leaving warthunder unless changes are made

[@jacaredosvudu1638]

Not to mention Battlefield 5 actually HAD infantry

[@Stoneyisstoned]

@@jacaredosvudu1638 true but it still could work with just tanks

[@BL1TZY_YT]

Mans using the rakjakpanzer with manual guidance missiles like a king.

[@Legal-104]

I hate how main battle tanks in 9.0 can be absolutely merked by friggin spaa

[@predatorjunglehunter7332]

I've been following all the hype about War Thunder since 2018, but I've never played it. As an armor enthusiast and avid fan of military history, I tend to be a bit of a purist when it comes to historical accuracy portrayed in games, movies, series, etc, due that reason I have been very hesitant to try this game for the first time in all these years, contrasting so many suggestions from friends with the well-known problems of the game which the community reports and Gaijin ignores on a daily basis every time I get the urge to install and play it. Videos like yours just confirm to me that I made a good decision in choosing to stay away from all that mess. thank you, you really deserve more views!

[@Liniyka]

Thank you too!

[@LietunantGreek]

Don't worry you don't miss anything. In most matches in Low BR's you get uptiered and fight tanks you can barely even penetrate

[@quan-uo5ws]

Try gunner heat pc, its only singleplayer but its a very stricly historical game set in 1985 fulda gap.

[@robo-suport_czrobofactory3116]

the "speak up" part is exactly right, gaijin only cares about profit. and the only reason they are even making the bare minimum of positive changes with the road plan, is to pacify the community so that they can potentially slip back into their old ways business as usual... give them even a bit of wiggle room and they will exploit it fully, if you want this game to improve. you cannot let up with the pressure even one bit... one thing people fail to realize is that companies are not your friends, when they do something its under the sole motivation of money, they will improve the game if they believe it will increase profits.. gaijin got to a point where they believed the key to success is to just add more premium vehicles, new mechanics and thats it... their golden cash cow will live on forever. did their mind change after outrage and the roadplan that followed? Not likely as i said they are very comfy having terrible grind and then getting paid for it anyway with little to no effort. THEY WILL want to cling onto that with all their might.

[@fulturk4306]

The issue is that not enough people are seeing these videos and neither will the devs so nothing is being done about it

[@g.williams2047]

The issue with War Thunder ground is entirely because the grind is pretty bad. This incentivizes extremely scummy tactics. Planes are often auto revenge kills, light and fast medium tanks can rush the enemy to spawncamp faster. If GRB rewards were to be doubled overnight and aircraft had to take off from the airfield, a significant amount of the issues would be gone immediately. I've play only GRB and Heli PVE, I don't use cas in battle as it's incredibly annoying to die to and I want to actually play tanks. It's a fun gamemode. Unless you play top tier. Top tier is awful and I don't know how to fix it.

[@Mikoshi700]

Ground sim is what you're looking for. You might not realize it, but it is. You get 3 spawns, and 1000 points. With different vehicles having different point values. Enabled friendly fire, and no friendly designators means CAS is not as good. Because they struggle to identify targets. Being a solo goblin and rushing with a light tank can easily make you an unintended target from your team, so you're incentivized to work as a team.

[@grimmig13]

I've been playing the game since 2013, I was active on the forums for the first two years with bug reports, suggestions and helping people figure things out... after 2 years of watching players with valid complaints and suggestions getting ignored, I think a lot of us got tired and gave up on trying to make the game better. Some just kept playing and watched the game slowly turn to shit one patch at a time, some took a long break only to return to the game being the pile of shit that it is today and the lucky ones managed to drop the game and never looked back. It's a shame that the game with so much obvious potential has turned into what it is today.

[@TrueGermanBall]

the spawncamping after capturing every point is so real

[@jeffrey9068]

Some day … the grind will be good without a premium account

[@rileyhorvath3606]

It's annoying how if u die in a tank without doing anything In a game, you get rewarded by being able to spawn in a plane or heli and get multiple kills like nothing. When I play ground RB I die to planes or helis 80% of the time, it's hard to even notice I'm in a tank game mode when I look up and see everyone flying around

[@ottomyagi1944]

please for god's sake, make this video go viral

[@AjackLee4]

My biggest gripe is how unrealistically weak alot of the shells are. Many shells in game have way lower penetration and post pen damage than IRL and it is extremely frustrating. Honestly the rest of the issues I can live with, new game modes would be nice.

[@linnymiddy]

One bullshit about the grind is. Without a premium tank and premium account, unlocking a single vehicle can take days. I got Centurion AVRE, and within a week playing with just that tank, i reached british 6.7. While it took me months to reach 7.0 germany with several premiums with breaks from the game.

[@usernameisuckatusernames7130]

i started playing war thunder back in Dec 2022 with the goal of getting the 2S6. 1 year 5 months, decreased desk integrity, the whole 5 stages, burning hate for rocket carriers, rat cars, CAS and revenge bombers. The most I'd ask for in this god forsaken game is to add penalties for spawn camping ;-;

[@LietunantGreek]

I play with 3.0 France and i wanted to smash my computer when my 2C couldn't even kill an M22 locust in one shot in it's most vulnerable place and instead it killed me in two shots

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

There shouldn’t be penalties for spawn camping, atleast if you are talking about just getting pushed back to spawn by an entire team compared to someone immediately rushing your spawn at the start of a match (this deserves a punishment). If your team got pushed back though? Too bad, use it as a learning experience

[@alpha188]

To be honest, we would need a second review bombing and actually a month of no f2p players playing WT to make them improve the game. Someone has to launch something like this. I would participate in that tbh!

[@gonzalodiaz9326]

Players are absolutely to blame for leaving games.

[@Rohrkrepierer]

After about 8 years of playing this game, I finally gave it up. I picked up DCS and since then my attitude towards video games has been much more pleasurable. Gaijin created a very cool environment where you can pick of an insane amount of vehicles that are all relatively well modeled and represented in the game, however the maps and the gamemodes you are forced to play on those maps are so goddamn bad that it made me quit. I am sick of playing modern MBTs that are made to engage targets on the move at distances of over 2k on maps that have the cap zone 300m outside of each team's spawn. What I would give for a combined arms enduring confrontation mode on a theater scale map...

[@House_of_Schmidt]

Most game modes in War Thunder are really stale. Air RB is aweful. The fact we don't see enduring confrontation much is ridiculous.

[@zomgerln]

I 'member the days before the magic railgun go-kart era that the Leopard 1 started. Good times.

[@PrivateMemo]

It is mind-boggling to me that people stopped review-bombing even though very few actual issues were addressed.

[@qittfthegame6128]

You have no idea how horrible my mental health was when i played late soviet era ground RB.... The medium tanks act like heavy tanks and basically outclassed by every enemies. Not to mention the premium players who are just there to die.

[@xtron1234]

It’s just so sad that Gaijin doesn’t even need to necessarily fix these things for people to be happy. Just make them tolerable. But that’s too much to ask of them I guess.

[@mrrexychomp9829]

The whole ideas of aircraft being able to decimate any ground vehicle and heavy tanks not being indestructible forces of nature is just realism, what you are describing is just World of Tanks with extra steps

[@el_tio_Harry]

But I think the best place to take notes about balance is Titanfall, where youd think that spawning in a massive 24 tonne metal behemoth would be extremely broken, but actually when you implement a count down that everyone gets to call one in it actually becomes pretty fun. Obviously this system couldn’t be implemented but it goes to show that a form of balance can be achieved.

[@robinsrampage]

Unfortunately gaijin doesn't actually have a map development team, instead it is entirely done by 2 guys that don't even talk to eachother and so the maps are designed for looks instead of gameplay as some examples are pradesh or middle east. Not to mention all the maps that are basically nothing but open field or desert.

[@Liniyka]

Yeah, I guessed as much. They do really feel like maps that are only designed to look pretty

[@jasskeeper8152]

Who is this 2 people?

[@mr.tweaty]

I'm pretty sure they are actually copied from real locations (which is possibly even worse for gameplay...)

[@user-vgrau]

@@jasskeeper8152 one of them sometimes interacted with Ru community on Ru side of official forums, his nick was WhiteWolf or something like that. He whined a lot about how hard it is to work practically alone, some pretty skilled people who worked with Gaijin's CDK offered him help and he shot everyone down. No clue about the other one, WhiteWolf always implied that he was alone.

[@jasskeeper8152]

@@user-vgrau do you know what his job? if hes not "map development team" then what is he?

[@voss6930]

Bro you are saying what im thinking. Im also a veteran playing since 2014 but now im at a point thinking actually to delete this game. I just cant anymore and makes zero fun. Like you said Gaijin is only focusing on money and dont care sht about the players. There needs to be a longer version for sure to take action against Gaijin. A big problem I also see is that Gaijin is focusing on becoming Russia the best Nation especially at tanks high br. Their 10.0-10.3 lineup is more than 11 vehicles, 4 of which premiums the su25k included. They give them only under br'd or unbalanced vehicles not changing them while a german or american vehicle gets nerfed instantly and not being useful and accurate anymore. Like you also said I can talk 5 hours about this problem. This video and I hope a next one in future needs to be shared. I dont know how but we need to spread this videos otherwise nothing will chnage or the game will die.

[@user-lh4ii2hb7y]

I think this is first time when i heard realest problems of this game, especially game design. Playing tanks is boring because there is only 1 gamemode just to take points and win. Hierarchy of vehicles is really bad too. Maps is not designed for heavy tanks and slow tank destroyers. This leads to total germany suffering on 5.0-7.0. Glad to see this video, by making this you making WT community realise problems of this game and maybe try to fix it.

[@chost-059]

7k total hours, i cannot play GRB without constantly thinking how badly designed it is

[@datankz2498]

I have been saying these things for YEARS at this point and finally someone says what needs to be said about GRB.

[@CrystallineFoxCF]

Honestly, the only reason War Thunder still has the playerbase it has, is because no one else has thought to make a game like it, if they did, I'm sure a large amount of the playerbase from WT would absolutely jump ship and play the game, I know I would

[@jacaredosvudu1638]

Doubt, i dont see anyone actually having good enough ideas to make anything more attractable compared to a 10+ year old game that is already proven Gaijin dominated their niche, and only a God tier game can actually make a good size of the community jump the ship

[@elimendelsohn2879]

90% of this is a skill issue, i will say though the fact that i can have my crosshair painted RIGHT ON a tank and no nameplate lights up is annoying. espically after being an air RB main where if my pilot sees someone i get a name plate i hate being killed by some dude behind 5 bushes and trees that i cant see because he has become the bush

[@MarkStillPlays]

based raketenjagdpanzer 2 player

[@TF2enjoyer2008]

7200 hours from the beta of the game. unistall after the apex predator update and switched to DCS/Steel beast/arma/ghpc wich are way more better military game

[@Vlad_-_-_]

And that is why I never went pass 5.7 BR...

[@starlson3442]

If only I could play Tanks in a tank game

[@thebestoneevermade]

Went downhill for me when they got rid of the WOT style progression and added the "buy this many vehicles in this teir to unlock the next tier" progression tbh

[@bouteilledeau1463]

I'm currently watching a very brief 12h long analysis of the Phantom Menace. I can take the 5h

[@anonimus370]

- Ground Battles: Play planes or die!

[@goldmine2619]

Best way I can explain our desire to play ground RB is just the dopamine rush we get for getting a kill after suffering.

[@Salty_Bear]

I`d rather say AA`s are on the same god tier as planes - they laughably cheap, they are often capable of destroying tanks, and with enough skill they often successfully killing planes

[@ethantaylor9613]

As somebody who likes more infantry support type tanks like the Churchill, I found it really baffling that they were even present in this game. Literally, what am I supposed to do? It doesn’t help that they really underpower some of the cannons in this game. The 75 mm was a lot better than they often portray it for some reason..

[@tunakann7629]

Gatta love how I bought the type 75 MLRS for my very first games and had the worst experience of my life for a year trying to grind it out

[@rokasbarasa1]

I remember playing war thunder before update 1.37. It was a great game in 2013. I remember unlocking multiple vehicles per level up. Things seem to have gotten a lot worse in the 10 years that i have not played

[@camurrio8988]

This video is *dope* and UNDERTALE ost in background makes this even *_BETTER™_*

[@Skrymm]

Everything in the video is true asf, I would love to see new modes in tank battles bc It started to getting very boring after so many hours in this game.

[@ChutneyGames]

Tanks is literally victim mode, as long as planes are in the game everything else is a slow moving target

[@BombingFritz]

If you don't like that every tank RB battle plays out exactly the same at the start and that more than half of the vehicles are only there to suffer... I cannot believe your main game mode is climb thunder. 😀

[@MrThewetsheep]

Planes are the apex predator until the enemy team has a pantsir that knows immediately when you spawn and can shoot you down 15km away from the battle

[@Maritimesgestein]

Because ever BR and nation has a pantsir, right....

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

The standing in circles part is especially painful to me as a long time War Thunder tanker. War Thunder tank RB has so much potential! And NONE of it is realized. It could have semi-realistic recreations of historical battles. It could have AI infantry, AI machinegun positions and strongpoints, realistic and diverse objectives, a proper, points based reinforcements system. I could be such a great game, if only Gaijin put in the effort instead of pumping out new high tier premiums and tech trees. Imagine battles where one team has to push the front line, while the other team has to defend it. Or battles where you have to support your AI infantry while they assault an enemy position. Imagine if you could take that shiny Tiger you love so much and fight in a semi-accurate recreation of the Battle of Prokhorovka. Where you would have to break through the Soviet lines rather then reach a cap circle and stand in it. Imagine if you could take your M4A3E8 and fight to break through to Bastogne and relieve allied paratroopers before they are overrun. Or if you could take your T-34-85 and fight through the streets of Berlin to reach the Reichstag. Destroying AI machinegun nests and strongpoints with HE round along to the way so your AI infantry can advance. It pains me how much potential the game has that is sadly never going to be realized because Gaijin are comfortable making money by selling premium tanks and planes. Instead of actually working on their game.

[@AlphaAurora]

Ground Vehicles has another issue that Air doesn't have. In ground, some tier jumps are so huge in capability, that the all vehicles in the previous tier cannot compete at all. Great example is the M3 Lee. When you get it, if you're in Top Tier, you completely trash everything, without much skill or ability at all. Consequently, if you're in uptier, you just get destroyed, often without getting any research/credits. At low tier, the repair cost isn't too bad. But at the upper tiers, you're SoL. This is on top of the whole piece where you initially have to grind for core game mechanics like FPE/Parts. Now extrapolate this to an initially balanced matchup. Both teams start out and take their top tier tank. In the 1st engagement, someone will lose that tank. Now every tank in the line-up is complete trash, since there's no contest against the upper tier. There's absolutely no way to recover, and the match becomes a 1-sided stomp. How this is supposed to be fun is anyone's guess. Now, at the mid-tier, really cheap planes come about for revenge bombing. That is true, but the whole revenge bombing concept is another game mechanic that isn't particularly fun.

[@kimjanek646]

One bad part about ground forces is how survivability plays such a big role. If everyone had APHE most of the time you would just need to hit an enemy once, but even then a transmission or breech can eat all the damage and it can simply be repaired. But then you have rounds that aren’t APHE and vehicles are balanced like in air with modern vehicles that can’t nuke vehicles in a single hit being at lower BR because a penetration doesn’t mean anything without the damage. A 122mm can one shot a tank or it gets caught on the gun barrel, utterly destroying it but then the enemy can fix it again almost as fast as you reload your shell. Where is the logic in that?

[@djmustang000]

I like tanks, but I hate how the modes are (un)balanced, where usually one team steam rolls the other. I really like the idea of objectives that moves at random, that would force player to move around instead of camping the same place non-stop.

[@dan_katan652]

The biggest problem in War Thunder is gaijin itself, change my mind

[@1000roentgens]

I play this game for the immersion and it’s basically call of duty with tanks planes and boats 😎

[@TheAgileEagle.]

Tbh i tried the ground rb for a very long time and last week i gave a chance to ground ab and it’s 20x more enjoyable and funny than ground rb. No campers, no helis, no OP jets (you can get killed by a jet but mostly not) the only thing is in ground ab pure joy, you can rush with your tank and if you have skill to shoot enemies while moving you can annihilate them, you don’t need expensive headsets for the hear engines or you don’t need a fucking thermal for autistic campers or oftenly you don’t have to worry about guided bombs.

[@rolib6108]

Tiger literally exist to spawncamp

[@cardiv5zuikaku944]

This makes me think why I love Mad Max April fools so much. No planes, grind was way easier, no hard loss or win, and in one mode only, there are plenty of things to do, you can become interceptor, cargo, or escort, with lots of interesting points to gain resources before skedaddle out of the map, that requires you to be creative depends on the unit you used, I personally love using the dune on the south part of the map to hide my truck. (I love you so much, Mule) It kinda of shows the problem of armored but slow units (I hate most heaviest in this game as well) they have good guns, but everything can just pen you anyway from the side, and having the slowest speed of everyone, the smaller but fast-moving light truck can just outmaneuver you

[@cardiv5zuikaku944]

Also, the reason I play tanks is that for me, air RB (Low tier at least) is incredibly boring, you spawn a plane, climb for like, 5-7 minutes, then if you die, you get kicked, tanks and EVEN NAVAL have much shorter action times, and they don't have to worry about reloading match, unlike planes that have to all the way back to the airfield, making you useless or burden to the team, tanks can just sit on that silly circle thingie, with multiple spawn I can do more stuff with tanks rb as well, and you have this annoying red dot broadcasting your position, while in tanks I can still fight other planes but I have to actually use my eyes, not just random pops out, I do agree planes are much easier to grind, and CAS are cancer.

[@ITSNJK78900]

Laughs in ultra low graphics in GRB