4 Strokes Ruined Racing

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[@Ghostdog4]

4 Strokes ruined racing by increasing the costs of racing and eliminating your average family rider. The cost of the weekly rebuilding the engine went up exponentially and the required Dad skills now include specialty tooling and machine shop services. Little Billy now needs a paid mechanic. More of a Rich kid sport than it ever has been.

[@txsam2802]

That’s a fact, won’t lie lot more kids were also getting paralyzed then Average riding families were a lot of the time shit bags where I grew up but I still fully agree with you

[@HippieHoller]

Nope, they're good for hundreds of hours if you don't Deegs it. You're disconnected.

[@HippieHoller]

Nobody's making you ride a 4 stroke. Take your janky ass 2 stroke out there Mary.

[@chaddy1974]

Totally agree with you

[@TonySopeano46]

You can still race 2 strokes.

[@robertdoxtator2493]

Snowmobile tech is the Pinnacle of two stroke engines and proven they are not outdated. It was about marketing

[@jeffryan7439]

I kinda think it was an error, no one expected them to become dominant so fast, Kinda like, let the chubby kid with the sleepy eye get out there, but then he turned out to be a king slayer

[@Youhaverights6]

​@@jeffryan7439I love your analogy.

[@Youhaverights6]

Putting a electronic fuel injection on a two stroke I would have thought would be a giant improvement in technology towards two stroke innovation but maybe it doesn't work that way. Am I wrong?

[@jeffryan7439]

@@Youhaverights6 Problem that we can never get away from is the total loss oiling system, we burn the same amt of Fuel as a 4 stroke but add burning of oil, Emissions will always be higher on a 2 stroke, Unfortunately there is little reason to develop cleaner 2T engines so it’s over

[@Youhaverights6]

@@jeffryan7439 oh yeah the stupid emissions.

[@TravelingbyTacoma]

I was at that Vegas race thanks to Ryno. I was doing AV work at his house in Los Ranchitos, Temecula ( a Direct TV / Surround Sound install) and I had a broken wrist from a dirt bike crash. Of course I knew who he was, and I was stoked to be on that job. He asked me about how I broke it and he offered me tickets to the Vegas race. My dad and I went out, picked up the tickets at will call and had great seats. Whenever I hear about that Doug Henry win I think of that generosity...Thanks Ryno!

[@stevestiffler9120]

I got some schooling from Ryno a few years back. Best day on a dirt bike ever.

[@justincoats7236]

I was at that race too

[@mikerafonemusic6177]

nice ive done some work down there

[@wannaseethevid]

Cool story man, you were watching history in the making.

[@gerrywagoner26]

Todd Jendro admitted publicly that they made a "mistake" granting four strokes double the displacement of two strokes. He was right. They messed up.

[@halseyknox]

Technology and modern 4 strokes suck....I could go back to my CMC days, open face helmets, jofas, drum brakes, air cooled, simplicity, pick up trucks and vans....in a heartbeat! Racing was fun and exciting and most ANYONE could afford it....three divisions of just the 125 novices, twenty riders to each race...not to mention the other classes...Led Zeppelin and Foghat playing in the pits....the sport has changed big time....only the concept remains the same

[@racebiketuner]

Yup.

[@rcnelson]

Those were the days, but I don't see why 4-strokes ruined them.

[@goldwinger4356]

Those were the days...Saturday nite at Elsinore raceway...the smell of castor bean oil in the air....good times

[@tomcox7221]

They need to let 300 2 strokes n the 450 class..

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

There wouldn't be any more 450s lol.

[@deanfloyd8931]

Lack of affordability has changed the whole picture. Motorcycle racing is generally made up of construction worker's or their children.

[@UTP_ENT]

Buy a Suzuki if you can’t afford it. Go buy a used yz 2 stroke there’s no excuse

[@rickydicky5889]

@@UTP_ENT Beat it you little twerp. We're at about $12k for a 450 and it's ridiculous wether you can afford it or not.

[@daneg]

and plantation (compound) owners.

[@matthewhealy3940]

If you spent less time sooking in the comments section and more time working you might be able to afford it

[@daneg]

@@matthewhealy3940 higher prices make it so I could not run 2 bikes each year (125/250) as I did in the late 90s. but the even bigger issue is available land to practice on. every single place I had to practice in the 90s is gone (built over) today. if you want to ride your bike, you have to have land in the boonies or drive hundreds of miles back and forth across the state to run the various practice days at mx tracks...and that shit ain't happening for ppl/families who work M-F. i grew up in suburbia and I could hop on my bikes and practice on some small tracks behind my house. you can't even do that now. it's brutal finding a place to ride without making a day trip out of it...if you don't own your own "compound" as it were.

[@MXRiderFiftyTwo]

My 2007 CRF450 died in 2010. It needs a new head. Brand new head with no valves $1800 . I will never go 4stroke again

[@bunnyman6321]

Damn

[@maxrpm2215]

That's the shitest, maybe swap to a 2stroke. I've had my KX250 06 that I bought brand new in 2008 and I ride and race it every weekend. Never had a failure like that only in 2017 3rd and 4th gears drive dogs blown out which all bikes suffer from with age, easy replacement. Keys to a 2stroke, clean air filter, change out rings and replace piston every third set of rings. 🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲🇭🇲

[@vwgtdturbo]

@@maxrpm2215 i ride over 50 hours on rings and piston on 250 twostroke

[@maxrpm2215]

@vwgtdturbo 100% everyone has been brainwashed with 4strokes. It's only the factory teams that can afford to run them for the weekly rider there a money pit.

[@williamleonardo8478]

​@@maxrpm2215two strokes will always be the king I have a 2-stroke mango in my garage that I had since day one 1972 mako 450 radio that I raised 65 vintage races on and it still runs as good today as it did yesterday I have new TM two strokes I love beta 2 strokes and new beta dual sport bikes European bikes are the best when the four-stroke blows up your bankrupt you cannot afford to fix it that's what happened to the whole motorcycle industry in the 70s I had a Honda Elsinore out of the crate racer 10.00

[@jordanonofer3886]

He is spot on. The old races were more exciting. They would pass each other multiple times a lap. Lol

[@dfisher4768]

One of the last years Broom Tioga was on the outdoor series, Mr. Hughes was doing some type of photo shoot behind the pits. Me and my 2 friends were on top of this huge drop off of a hill looking down and I yell Ryyyynnno. I think I was 17, he waved and us 3 took the brave run down the hill to say hello. He was super nice, gave me his jersey and shook my hand. That day is etched in mine and our memory forever! Really was cool to meet such a pro and the interaction really was what any teenager wanted in 2005ish. True class act and he definitely didn’t need to give me his jersey or shake my hand. I must admit, I was little lost for words but we were just doing the good ol 3 day camping of 2 amateur days and one pro day and bang just like that, got out our own little VIP meeting. Rynos the man! Thanks again!

[@neilr4867]

This just points out how good technically good McGrath was. He ran away from all those guys pretty much every weekend.

[@RollForever88]

👑

[@johnclifford1642]

God Bless you for saying so. Was so much FUN and a blast to watch and hear.

[@enigma5192]

Went back to 2 stroke . Biggest issue is zero engine braking . But more fun on 2.

[@comment_deleted]

first time I rode a 450 4 stroke I almost flew over the handlebars when I let off the throttle. Was not expecting that. That was last time I rode a 4 stroke

[@SpeedDemonExpress]

No engine braking made me a lot faster into the turns and taught me to maintain speed. Engine braking sucks.

[@ZIPPRERZING]

I never could get used the engine breaking thing. I still mix my fuel!

[@liamhotspur9182]

you have brakes, no?!

[@vital577]

You have two other brakes

[@joshuasteel2109]

I couldnt agree more Ryan, thanks for sharing ur wisdom with us!💪🏻

[@Canyon_Shawn]

Todays Supercross tracks are like giant BMX pump tracks. And, everyone clears everything.

[@paulmryglod4802]

Good observation

[@patw9175]

Yes and the racing has been amazing to watch this season so....

[@davidmccarthy2374]

I agree 100 percent four strokes have ruined racing

[@deanwaring6100]

I'm a older guy, and I love the 2 stroke ... love to see them return one day 😊

[@chordle1605]

KTM has been making the best 2 strokes ever for years now. The 17-19s are the pinnacle imo.

[@lancerains4185]

It ruined the sport on an amateur level... Most guys can't afford to do it today... Back in the 2 stroke days everybody had a new bike and got a new one each year... It was the great equalizer.. Growing up in the Dallas area there were a handful of tracks I could go to on any given Sunday or Friday nite and the classes and gates were all full... Not anymore Sad..

[@markwheat2668]

Box van Nationals boys! Have 2 stroke pro classes with a vet pro and maybe an old timer pro am class. Screw the ama I wznt to see Ryno, O Show, McGrath, Hannah Bubba, and all our hero's back on the smokes banging bars with beers and BBQ afterwards. Amateur too on Sat. make a big weekend of racing hitting all the coolest tracks around the country . Back when Chuck Sun was going to the next race after his mech and girlfriend split on him and he was eating cornflakes! Following his dream! He used to show up at Mulkeys by McMinnville OR great times! Thanks Ryno! Cool how you'd be at GlenHelen on practice days letting us try and keep up with you!

[@bunnyman6321]

Not happening

[@billberry3669]

He's dead on right. I mean heck they don't even start on dirt anymore!! The best ecu gets you a good start.

[@markme4]

I would love to see all the current top guys (250 and 450) battle it out on YZ 125s

[@bertbroeder1832]

40 in row, that was music alone!

[@markme4]

@@bertbroeder1832 JS might even come out of retirement for that

[@cbk2144]

The top guys on 500cc 2 strokes would be real interesting also. Both took a disciplined right wrist.👍

[@pmaly9473]

You can see some former champions at the annual 2-stroke 125 pro class events @ Glen Helen.

[@MrCyphermonkey]

The 4st started as a 400 when the powers that be released they didn’t have as much of an advantage over 2st as they wanted they upped it up to 450. Also the manufacturers realised they could use the 4st motors in multiple products whereas the 2st was a one trick pony. What the end user wanted had very little to do with it.

[@pcnetworks1292]

Carlsbad was my favorite track to race on. I had a 78 Elsinore CR-250-R with FOX air shocks and Simons cartridge front forks... I miss the good old days!

[@Alien300Blackout]

I don’t live in California but I remember watching the races on that track in Tennessee back in the 70’s and 80’s when they switched to racing in stadium I lost interest stadium racing sucks

[@pcnetworks1292]

@@Alien300Blackout Carlsbad was a tricky course, the lines changed quickly, sometimes from lap to lap. Racing there In the summer was merciless which was odd considering how close it was in proximity to the beach. Stadium racing caters to the fans which makes the promoters a ton of [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] . The sport has definitely changed in a big way! I'm confident that most stadium riders of today would rather not race the 1.5 mile legend.

[@Alien300Blackout]

@@pcnetworks1292 I really enjoyed watching those guys race on that track and miss it

[@pcnetworks1292]

@@Alien300Blackout I concur ▁ ▂ ▃ ▄ ▅ ▆ █ 100 %

[@goldwinger4356]

A 20 minute moto at Carlsbad was a real workout

[@dustinguriel620]

EXACTLY! Most of the racing organizations in the car world are always changing things to try to make sure the racing stays interesting! Motocross/Supercross just let 4-strokes come in 20+ years ago and let the racing die without much intervention at all! Tragic!

[@WeaponsEducation]

The 2 stroke never left. The fact is in off road the bike I race is the number one bike used by all the pros in the world. KTM 300 XC 2024 fuel injected, no carb, 2 stroke. This 2 stroke is the most advanced dirt bike made. The only reason supercross and mx are on 4 strokes is for way higher profits for the companies. Especially in the service center. I race GNCC and very few riders, pro and amateur are on a 4 stroke. Out of a thousand riders 900 will be on a new 2 stroke all KTM Husky or Gas Gas. All 3 of those are owned by KTM. KTM single handedly not only saved the 2 stroke but made it the best bike on the planet. Watch any enduro and if they are on a KTM 300. David Knight has a good channel for the two stroke off road.

[@motoxray]

For endurance events, 2 strokes are at an advantage because most riders prefer the lighter weight.

[@riders.oregon4474]

4 strokes stall too easy for me on difficult gnarly single track. Moderate to high speed I love a 4 stroke. Nasty trails give me a 250 or 300 2 Stroke.

[@RIPPERTON]

Fuel injection saved the 2 stroke but KTM completely screwed up fuel injection. They made all the mistakes and TBI is just the latest mistake.

[@WeaponsEducation]

@@RIPPERTON Wrong answer. You contradicted yourself. I own at least 10 plus KTM 2 strokes, they all work perfect. How can a company save the 2 stroke and then screw it up. Not possible. All of my TBIs are perfect, you are believing gossip from competitor's .

[@RIPPERTON]

@@WeaponsEducation You need to go read my build thread on KTM forum titled "Crank Case Injection on my KTM 150 EXC" If you have the brains to read that whole thread, you will realise how little you, AND KTM know about 2 stroke injection. All the TBI owners I have spoken to say the TBI is worse in fuel consumption than the TPI = FAIL. KTM saved 2 strokes by simply introducing FI. Everything after that was a mistake. Injection timing, Spray pattern, Oil injection, Air Fuel ratios, TBI....All Wrong.

[@maxrpm2215]

Cut back the cc's to 350 even at that size they make a shit ton of power.

[@panic-revv85]

The ktm clan can ride 350 if they choose...

[@maxrpm2215]

@panic-revv85 yes they can, but would you choose to be 100cc down on a 4stroke.

[@panic-revv85]

@maxrpm2215 exactly, so why is everyone trying to push the 350 in an elite field? That's a vet bike. Even on a 450 you can map the power, however you want.

[@chrisbuehler6868]

​@panic-revv85 yeah a 350 is only for vets lol. I'm sure you're that fast you need a 450. What's your national number?

[@panic-revv85]

@chrisbuehler6868 who in the sx mx series is racing one?

[@jimpanzer07]

Doubling the cc size 4 stroke vs 2 stroke had to be the stupidest thing ever, thats what killed 2 strokes🤯

[@pmaly9473]

They didn’t know how good they would get. Now that we all know, they could reduce 450s to 300s or 350s, and the 250s to 175s or 200s.

[@jimpanzer07]

@@pmaly9473 They should just allow the 2 strokes back and same cc vs cc

[@brucecox6085]

I believe the key to racing motocross not only with 2-stroke or 4-strokes is who is keeping the rear wheel on the ground moving forward more than any other rider. If you look at the 2022 450 second High Point Moto when Eli Tomac comes off of a jump his rear wheel is on the ground faster than Ken Roczen he just blows by him... this is how Jett rides he's managing keeping the rear wheel on the ground more often than everyone else.

[@Landonmoto39]

Please stop and do some research, then return with a formed opinion…you couldn’t be more wrong

[@okkj2845]

@@Landonmoto39 Go ahead and explain what he got wrong? Sounds spot on to me, which is the reason why scrubbing jumps is faster. You criticize someone's comment, maybe you should back it up.

[@christors]

Unadilla two strokes forever, Ryan is spot on. Thank you for your knowledge.

[@robinjohnson4613]

I used to race Dilla on a cr 500

[@andrettski8686]

I was at that Supercross finale, everyone was shocked at what Doug Henry and Yamaha did.

[@no-namecrown5510]

My 2021 KX250x and my 1996 KX250 are two very different bikes. My 1996 gets my pulse racing because it requires more from me...

[@greggwhittenberger9177]

SPOT ON! Bring back 500cc 2 stroke

[@christopherwright8346]

Where can I listen to whole hour of this ryno power hour??? 😊

[@dylanjames4537]

When did the vote go out to kill off 2 stroke? I sure as heck dont remember voting for a 4t to be the better option

[@johnmedina5399]

Ryan gave some riding gear to my dad’s friend at work. The friend hooked me up and gave me a complete set of riding gear with boots. They were used but to a 16 year old kid it was like getting a Christmas gift in July. Thank you Ryan Hughes and the sprinkle family.

[@jaime7890]

Hi Ryan. Where can I watch or listen to the whole episode?

[@chupacabraracing181]

I like this style content. Also like when you just talk to us off the top of your head. But anything you put out, i will watch, listen to, and incorporate into my own riding.

[@jdub976]

The last national I watched there were barely any fans. When I went during the 2 stroke days it was shoulder to shoulder. Pretty easy to figure out which was more popular.

[@4kWalkingAndDrivingTours]

I always love to hear Ryan’s take on anything involving motorcycles! 👍😎

[@billywray4524]

racing is still good imo same guys will always be at the top

[@wannaseethevid]

Zing-zings are fun, those four bangers are sure not as fun. I tried the 450 four banger, I am too light for it, I tried the 250 four banger and as Homer said ' I never realized this game was so boring', I tried the 2 fiddy 2 smoker and had to sit on the tank to keep it down, me, for my size and weight (54 yrs old 72 kilos and 5 foot 7) the 125 is where it is at.

[@davidsuttles101]

I love motocross/supercross but, I agree…the racing now is way more boring on the four strokes. Two strokes rule!

[@pags1981]

The last few rounds of AMA Motocross have been phenominal with really close racing and some amazing comebacks.

[@zackk695]

I want to point out the obvious which no one talks about and that they allowed a larger cc bike to race with smaller cc bikes. Why did they do this? Well because the 2 strokes would smoke the equal cc bikes. That right there tells you the 4 strokes were not meant to be raced in motocross. How is that fair in any way? Then you have the technology side of 2 strokes and you bet they would have come a long way and not just in electrical and suspension but in the motors. I know the best 2 stroke hasn’t been built yet though Honda was by far the best in 2 strokes. I’m agreeing with Ryan and will say it another way. Part of motocross was the art of riding these radical race machines. The sound of the bikes were also incredible even to this day. The 4 stroke is only a lawnmower engine so there’s nothing to get the youth excited about because they hear mowers all the time. I have no doubt that Honda could build a very smooth CR250 with todays and tomorrows technology. The bumping, fighting and crazy racing for the money is what the fans want to see. These guys now are the gen Z and hugging on each other. You hug a guy in the 70’s you would get punched. The racer no longer have muscle as you see these riders at 150 lbs skin and bone where in the past these guys had to build muscle. The gen Z is now in the pro class and these kids grew up with mom taking them to school because they didn’t want to be bullied on the bus. They didn’t do any chores and never mowed yards to make money. They grew up in porn so they could care less about getting a girl. You ask what’s so bad about all that? Well it’s affected racing because it’s just embarrassing to see these little sissy guys racing but the bad part is the suicide rate for them is now at 23%. Almost a 1/4 of this generation is killing themselves because they are hitting the work force and are being told what to do and seeing how hard life really is and they are breaking down bad and hell yes it’s their parents fault. The hard times we go through mold us into very good people. I will say that Hayden Deegan is built tough which is good and I think he will be a leader in the 450’s. He does have some growing up to do and he will. It’s going to take time just like with all of us. The one thing I can say about ONLY the motocross riders that work hard and train is they understand what it takes to make a dollar and it’s discipline and hard work. They need to bring the 2 strokes back. They will be on a modern frame and the bikes will be incredible. The racing will be better than we’ve ever seen and that’s saying a lot because we’ve had about 7-8 top stars in the past. The engine development would be far more advanced. The worst thing that no one even sees is the best riders out there are NOT even out there. This was a blue collar sport with very tough young men but those kids now can’t afford a bike nor can they afford to race so your getting the upper middle class or wealthy kids racing which leaves the best rider in the world sitting at home because he can’t afford it. We have bikes in the hands of the wrong riders starting around age 10 or so.

[@peterdalmationcro4217]

First of all young Zachery, it’s not “ double the displacement “ anymore, after you get to 250 cc these days, the 4t & the 2 banger are not too far apart, at all. A KTM 300 SX 2t vs a KTM 350 SXF 4t, is a close race ( granted the 4t has 50cc more ). The 300 SX is still faster, by a whisker though, nowhere near “ double the displacement “. A current 450 goes toe to toe with a 500 2t, the 500’s slightly faster down the straight ( granted it has 50cc more ), however, in most cases the 450 has it covered in all aspects. Strange though, you still think that the new era 4t need double the displacement. By your logic Zac, you would need a 800, or 1000cc 4t, to produce similar power against the 500 2t. That is nowhere near truthful, 500 2t produce 5/10 more horsepower then a 450, & it has 50cc more. Do you see where this is going? Now, if you’re a kid & you ride a 85 2t, you’ll destroy a 110 4t, a 125 2t would slap a 125 4t, but these days, after you get to 250 cc’s or so, the 2t’s & the 4t’s start to even out a little. This is coming from a 2 stroke lover, & past owner of at least 12-14 of them, still got a pimped CR 93 ( never selling it ), they’re just the facts Zac, NO BULL. Please do me a favour, don’t jump on a 450 thinking that it’s somehow compromised, or not up to the task, you’ll end up in hospital for 10 months. Good riding to ya Zac, stay safe young fella 👍.

[@hoerenj0ng141]

I think it's more mentality than technology that changed the sport. In the 90s all the riders were goofballing and having fun on the side. Nowadays everyone has a personal trainer, strict diet, and disciplined schedule. It's only natural when a sport matures, teams take it more serious and differences are reduced.

[@rickydicky5889]

Carmichael's obsession to beat MC is what changed that. 4-strokes just killed all the rest of the excitement.

[@aussiehardwood6196]

VERY well said. Every year Formula One changes the rules up, the amount of downforce, engine design, fuel capacity...a whole host of stuff. That's how motorsport EVOLVES, that's how new tech is created to get that edge. And some of that tech flows right down to the cars we drive today. Nobody wants to watch a 2 horse race.

[@justincoats7236]

How would Jett and Chase do on stock bikes. I still think they are getting top 3s.

[@JPW328]

What’s crazy is now we’re doing the same thing with Electric. Proceed with caution ⚠️

[@mikehemens9359]

People are idiots. The industry will shill for anything. Electric motorcycles is anti 'power to the people'.

[@OtisFlint]

@@mikehemens9359 This is the silliest argument anti-EV people make.

[@mikehemens9359]

@@OtisFlint brother snap out of it. We have become so used to the politically charged dehumanizing labels. -"anti EV people" -come on! There is NOTHING silly about it regardless. EV motocross costs way more and has NO range. Did you grow up poor or better off I have to ask?

[@gastonbelanger5346]

450 4 strokes are hard starting big heavy pos boat anchors, try riding one in a gnarly extreme off road event. I'm 83 years old and still on the f----ing gas with my 2023 KTM 300 Erzbergrodeo that puts out 57 hp and has lowend-end traction grunt and goes faster than the crash...man I love that 2 smoke. motorcycle. Top Ten why Old Riders never die 1. Too badass ornery for death 2. Most older geezers ride solo 3. Ride faster than death can go 4. The faster they go the safer it is 5. Can’t die tailgate BS bench racing 6. Their not on any proscription meds 7. Been there, passing death in the dust 8. They ride at deaths speeds all the time 9. They can ride faster than deaths crashes 10. Those that died, were happily on the gas ~Gasser Classic~

[@ahighervibe4086]

He should watch Deegan and then comment on how the new guys aren't "going for it"! Lol

[@unclejessiesrodshop8432]

2 stroke development wasn't at a standstill, he is wrong about that. The deck was stacked against 2 strokes, hard to overcome that. Imagine if they went back to a 125 and 250 cc rule for both 2 and 4 strokes, what do you think would happen? The 125 guys would all be riding 2 strokes, the 250 guys would be mostly riding 4 strokes. A 125 4 stroke would have to rev to like 25,000 RPM to be anywhere close to competitive.

[@rickydicky5889]

It was the climate freaks that were out to get the 2-strokes and they won. They are looking to ban the 4-strokes now for ebikes and we have to COMPLETELY reject them! It's STILL insane that they allowed nearly double the CCs for the 4-strokes. At this point we need to just go to 500cc, 300cc, 150cc for both 2-strokes an 4-strokes, no advantage. I'm sure we'd still see 450s run the 500 class but the 2-strokes would rule the other two classes again, especially if we get fuel injection and electric start on the 2-strokes, which we would with some R&D money going into them. Fuel injection would kill the emissions complaint with the 2-strokes as well.

[@Fliptop95]

Love the 2strokes 💪💪💪💪💪 And very valid point... Recognizing the whole field vs 4guys up front! Seasons are long and hard when placing 30th. And 30th is also ridiculous talent.... just not good enough. We'll said 👏

[@TwistLosi]

With the way 450's can blip the throttle on a Supercross track out of a turn and clear everything it's almost like watching a game compared to the 2 strokes which took more rider ability to clear things.

[@OneSon744]

wait til Deegs gets on the 450 Sky Pilot!

[@flyaway319]

Great content... in case you didn't realize there's an audio issue, static inbetween you talking... makes it difficult to listen to

[@rchydrozz751]

I agree. I had a CR', RM 'and a KX. Love the sound and smell.

[@evanjohnson5480]

I just spent 4500 on a top and bottom end rebuild on a motor that ran good when I sent it out. My last 4t.

[@DavidRoberts-or9yr]

From $37K to $45K that's the minimum range of profit return every week I thinks it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family...

[@DavidmillerJ-hm8lm]

Excuse me for real?,how is that possible I have struggling financially, how was that possible?

[@DavidRoberts-or9yr]

I always appreciate God for his kindness upon my life

[@DavidRoberts-or9yr]

Thanks to Elizabeth Marie Hawley.

[@PedroValencia-br3sl]

YES!!! That's exactly her name (Elizabeth Maria Hawley) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her 😊 from Brisbane Australia🇦🇺

[@Adrianascott-jr4in]

Same here, with my current portfolio made from my investments with my personal financial advisor (Elizabeth Maria Hawley) I totally agree with you

[@andrepizzo8550]

If 4 strokes are so advanced why the need for DOUBLE the cc's , even them up and a 98 cr 250 blows them away as for the 450s Cr500 kills it IMO

[@lg8188]

😂your dreaming pal.

[@andrepizzo8550]

@@lg8188 obviously you are completely CLUELESS about Moto, please don't reply😆

[@lg8188]

@@andrepizzo8550 a new 250f would smoke a 500 around a track with the right rider

[@rcnelson]

The 2-stroke advantage is that it is supercharged; the piston actually works to force the fuel-air mix into the cylinder. The 4-stroke can only use exhaust waves to increase the mixture flow. It makes sense to handicap the supercharged engine compared to the naturally aspirated engine.

[@andrepizzo8550]

@@rcnelson Shut Up, you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about....Is this Brandon🤡🤣

[@JossParkerPopArt]

Love the smell of 2 stroke in the morning. Smells like victory

[@darrenjeromemusic]

There should be a mini series where every pro SMX rider races on a stoke Stark Varg, equal stock parts and shorter race times!

[@roughmix9528]

New KTM 2 strokes w EFI are pretty sweet and have lots of new tech!

[@patrickkenney1080]

Fantastic interview! Lots of wisdom-better listen up.

[@ZakKrenzer]

I agree that they should probably move to a 2 rider per factory format for pro motocross and supercross. Watching chase sexton go from 40th to 1st at hangtown was an insane display of talent, but anyone behind 19th place didn’t even get their name mentioned or time on camera. These top contenders are kind of in a class of their own. What’s in it for those privateer riders? Does it enhance the experience for fans?

[@EarthSurferUSA]

Look at it this way. Do we want to admire greatness, or mediocrity? Admiring greatness helps bring up mankind better,---a higher bar to reach for. Get on the podium, or damn close, privateer or not.

[@kellybrown6988]

Make a separate 2 stroke only nationals and supercross, and allow older bikes to race

[@davebrunette6394]

I'm a 500 two stroke rider from way back when, so I started to lose interest a long time ago, and the switch to 4 strokes is when I lost all interest! I am getting interested again, not because of the bikes, it's because of Haiden Deegan!

[@sean.d7171]

100% like haiden or not hes making motocross way more popular great job deegan family.

[@MechShark]

Weird. I watched races from the 80s to today's stuff after getting into a KZbin rabbit hole, and I definitely noticed a shift where riders lock in positions and ride to the checkered flag. I find myself going back to older Motocross, but I completely forget modern stuff (the technique is there, but the fun isn't). 🤷‍♂ Luckily I'm not too invested either way, just my observation 😂

[@sean.d7171]

250 2t is so much fun just love it and isn't that the purpose. I'm sure they can make the 2 stroke faster if they are 450cc. they made a ktm 500t brc and tested it and it was doing faster lap times than the 450 4 with the same rider.

[@peterdalmationcro4217]

Not much faster. On a track the 450 would smoke it, a 125 2 stroke would smoke it on a track. Man I love 2 strokes, GREW UP ON THEM, still got a badass 90’s Cr 250 ( she’s gorgeous), unless you’re jumping 30 busses 🚌, or going 1/4 mile with a long ass swing arm, there’s no real purpose for them anymore. That’s why they stopped making them Sean, 2 fiddy’s were smoking them.

[@sean.d7171]

@peterdalmationcro4217 bro there's actually a video on KZbin the brc 500 beats the 450's lap times. It's actually faster look it up.

[@peterdalmationcro4217]

@@sean.d7171 I hear ya Sean 👍. It’s close though, & you have to be one hell of a rider to throw either of those bikes around, especially the 500, they’re usually too much & really need some open spaces to unleash. The 450’s in a similar bracket these days, it’s a lot of bike for most, they’re so fast. I’ve seen the BRC conversion kit Sean, by the time you install it properly, you’re looking at $20,000/$30,000 grand. That’s cool 😎 if that’s your thing, I’d love to take it for a rip, but it’s out of reach for most, unreliable too, there’s issues attached. Anyway, I’ve been yapping 🤣, safe riding bro, thanks for the reply 👍.

[@ernestbidon5027]

Ridiculous: there was far more potential for two stroke. All twostrokes needed was fuel injection, but they didn't even try. Now KTM has working 2T injection, but fourstrokes needs injection too anyway! Comparing a 250 to a 125 with a straight face is even more ridiculous.

[@DaveBegotka]

4 strokes made motocross too expensive for us regular guys

[@stevesmith756]

We’re not going back to 2T just like F1 is not going back to V10s

[@mtr1916]

Con mis amigos eramos felices con las motos de 2 tiempos de los 90's y principios de los 2000, 4 tiempos y en pocos años todo se acabó, en latinoamerica competir a nivel regular, con motos de 4 tiempos y siendo piloto privado es insostenible... tengo mi CR250R '92 pro circuit, y ese tesoro quedara ahí hasta mis últimos días...

[@scottandtammylewis532]

To add to Ryno's comments, the 4 stroke put a whole new perspective on maintenance and cost. Top-end 2 stroke $200-250 the 4 stroke $1500 if a head and valves are needed. Only because every kid riding on Dad's dime is bouncing it off the rev limiter. "Like Barcia" Only a handful of Dads could R&R the cyl head and deal with the cam timing, setting the under bucket valve shims. In 1998 it sounded like a John Deere was pullin the hole shot. 😂

[@TheSlim93gt]

I believe that 2 strokes would have progressed like the 4 strokes. EFI and electronic power valves can make them more rideable. How much HP do you really need on a track?

[@richardbranton190]

I really miss the 2 stroke racing especially in moto GP

[@tomd8313]

Right On, Ryan! 100% Correct. Today’s rider can go faster, with less effort, skillsets and excitement. Technology has brought down motorcycle racing, even more so in motorcycle Roadracing. All the electronics take out so much previously needed Skill factors, that would put you off of the bike immediately, if you were not 100% on your game. As a very Successful ex-Racer, and follower of both, the sport has lost me.

[@HexBMX]

I was out of MX for a long time. I had been riding since I was 4 years old. But had to stop in my late teens. When I tuned back in and learned what Yamaha and the EPA did, it was glaringly obvious that it was a sham.

[@dantheman348]

God I wish there was a power/weight cap that included the weight of the kitted up rider. If you’re 160-170 lbs on a 250 4 stroke you’re pretty much screwed, even if you’re doing everything perfect you’re gonna get smoked just due to the power disadvantage. It kind of sucks.

[@hitherehithere99]

The AMA needs to add the 125 two stroke class back to supercross and the outdoor nationals, it would help cure the Boring Jett effect, i could get a hot dog during the 450 class and come back and scream and holler at the 125 and 250 class

[@TwinPowerStunts]

Ryan your right, but there is a small issue in this.. for Amerikans Supercross is Motorcross. The rest of the world sees that different. Think for supercross and even motorcross it would be good to forbid every form of traction control. and even 350f's instead of 450's combined with 300 2 strokes would bring back show. I dont think that that is going to happen. What if it goes the electric route?

[@chuckp3131]

Cost of 4st repairs are high. With middle class (heart of racing) dieing I see all forms of racing doing the same.

[@modified15r]

They need to go back to 125-150 2strokes and make the premiere class 250f's. The 250F is close to the same lap time and is making comparable HP numbers to the original 450's

[@Wdbjr12345]

Smooth is always faster. Definitely the sport needs some change but making the bikes smaller cc isn’t really going to change anything. A power cap would be something worth exploring but then it’s going to be like nascar.

[@shanecircle1236]

I stayed with my two stroke race bike since 2003. My Pro Circuit modified KX 250 through time was not good enough. I never ever bought a 4 stroke race bike. Way to much money spent. If I had bought one i probably would not be riding today. Know what else ruined motocross? Stinking Peacock.

[@bunnyman6321]

Stinking peacock 😂😂

[@jcsquared1111]

It really has become like F1 literally 4 to 5 teams with a shot of acctually winning

[@timboslice9570]

The 2 stroke mx bikes required a special talent to ride fast. The 4 stroke is more user friendly but also the increased traction led to higher speeds which can cause more violent crashes. Rock on RH.

[@Saneka999_]

This guy blinks and stares into the distance like he had 2 strokes

[@marcwitteborg4789]

I miss the 2 stroke engine noise.

[@user-xj5xp6qz5g]

i feel it was about the manufactures making more money.. top end rebuilds went from a couple hundred to a couple thousand. The AMA was totally complicit as well, which isnt their role.. its to protect motorcyclists. I 100% believe some AMA wallets got padded.

[@apexclip3458]

It’s nobody’s fault but our own, especially in the states. Every weekend rider thinks they need a 55HP 450 with massive suspension travel and titanium parts. Most riders can’t even jump a simple tabletop. 4 strokes are crazy expensive because, dummies buy them saying, “a 250 2-stoke ain’t got enough power for me…” Pathetic.

[@robsrandoms2587]

This man knows his stuff 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@abpob6052]

The life of 2 strokes was always going to be cut short because of increasingly strict emissions laws. They will eventually apply to all motorcycles even those now considered closed course racing bikes. What really raised the cost of bikes is the AMA production rule. It forced the manufacturers to make works bikes available to the general public. Without the production rule there would be inexpensive stock bikes, unobtanium works bikes, and a thriving aftermarket for racers. 90% of dirt bikes sold never see a race track and they don't need to be top of the line.

[@stayathome2]

From a spectators standpoint, the four-strokes just don't sound like race bikes (especially the 450's). They just sound like they're lugging all the time. When the two-strokes ruled, you knew you were watching bikes ridden at their limits and it sounded like it.

[@mikkokulmala2463]

Every sport is poor to watch if theres no hard battles. Remember one six-days enduro motocross test day. Womens class was best that day cause there was the tightest battle in the lead.

[@metrichotrods1763]

MX bikes will be like standup jetskis pretty soon where youll have to order them and wait. The sports deader than any of us want to admit.

[@Jbonethekid]

It’s hard to even get a 2 stroke where I am, had to drive 2 hours to a dealership who had a yz125

[@user-xy5qf3lo5d]

There’s a reason why flat track racing has always been dominated by four strokes. Traction on slick, hard pack blue groove.

[@freddunbar]

I somewhat agree with what he says, but he is more or less saying that we should get rid of the production bike rule to better bunch up and constrain the bikes which would naturally exclude anyone not on a factory or satellite team. This would skyrocket the team budgets though. I do agree that we definitely need something when there have been gaps of around 30 seconds between 1st and 5th places and the media coverage only focusing on the top 3-4 riders. I would rather see 20 riders battling with less than a minute gap than a bunch of lappers getting in the way. I remember Ty Masterpool saying that one of the drivers for him moving to the 450 class was due to having to rebuild the 250f ever 5 hours $$$. I know that Honda especially and Kawasaki and Suzuki will complain if we did, but I think they should bring back 2-strokes for the non-factory or satellite team Pros. Go with a 150 class and an open class kind of like the 2-stroke nationals, or even a single class with ArenaCross rules " Motorcycles can be either a 125cc-300 2-stroke or 250cc-450cc 4-stroke ..." Focus on the Mains for televised SuperCross, and show us 3-4 classes rather than just the 2. Throw up all the heats as free streamed (with ads or whatever) coverage, and then we can drop the LCQ races altogether (I skip them anyway).

[@kyledrake9750]

Racing on 80s in the 80s, 4 strokes were a novelty class kind of like pit bike racing. The kids that didn't win anything in the real class could have their dad build one and be on the gas the whole time because they were powerless.

[@Rick40years]

Great points.

[@wapartist]

100% 2 strokes were awesome, and some still are. They should allow 300 on 2’s since the original parameters 4 strokes weren’t nearly as fast as they became

[@EarthSurferUSA]

The engine builders in the USA wanted to overbore the 2-stroke to keep them competitive back when the 4-strokes were pretty new. It was denied by the FIM/AMA. The 4-strokes were forced on the industry by the EPA, to make more power, and push the 2-strokes off the starting lines, and hopefully out of the showroom floors. But, free enterprise is our lives, and it is hard to totally kill,---until we are a total dictatorship.

[@bobbyratliff3349]

Prime example look what technology done to NASCAR and look at the stands there virtually empty compared to 25 years ago