Horse Charges Owner 😳

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

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[@teegees]

That horse was responding to her being aggressive towards it

[@sarad6627]

Ryan, Love your videos and you seem like a very decent, articulate, and intelligent person as well. Here's a suggestion for a future video, I love to hear your thoughts on distinguishing between different types of aggressive horse personalities and the causes of aggression (i.e. brain injury, fear, when does a horse become too dangerous.). Best wishes, Sarah in Toronto.

[@jmwhorsemanship]

I cannot believe how many people are bashing this lady. I have had so many clients that through ignorance, caused similar issues. But they just didn't know! All these people are part of the problem, making people who don't know how to fix their problems scared to ask for help. Shame on all of you. I'm sure this lady got this horse thinking to herself, "yay, I'm so excited to have my horse charge me and make me afraid of it and feel like I need to defend myself just because I don't know everything yet!" The lack of compassion for an inexperienced and scared human here blows my mind. She could have gotten really hurt! Thank you Ryan for helping her. I'd love to see how she's doing with her horse now. I bet going back to basics has helped her a lot.

[@huiledenoix8014]

yeah, especially animal lovers. They are often very uncompassionate towards human. Some of them are even quite uncompassionate towards animal, they have compassion for what they, humans, would feel as human, but not for what the animal actually feels. I like animals myself but I usually agree more with people that are overtly exploitative and a little brutal with animals. Because, they don't try to intellectualize or be overly nice. With them, animals sometimes enjoy a little more freedom and clarity, than with excessively cautious and neurotic people. Farmers, hunters ... Sometimes they are a bit harsh but they do things with common sense. I know a farmer that is not soft on animals (old fashion methods of managing cat populations, dealing with rats), but his horses enjoy great freedom, big pastures with food supplements.

[@lisaburroughs7847]

Why not point out everything that the handler did wrong.. Starting with using to short of a line on to do ground work.... not allowing the horse to commit to the mistake (it's obvious he thought she wanted him to change direction when not yeild his hindquarters.)..Then she yanked on his face and pulled him in on her as she smacked his ass... She continued to yank and pull until he reared up to avoid running into her..

[@lisaburroughs7847]

@@tommytom4834.. Agree people shouldnt be doing ground work if they don't have the correct tools or know what the hell they are doing....

[@naomipommerel8415]

EXACTLY!!! It is NEVER the horses fault - what did the human do wrong in attempting to communicate. "get out of work" ffs they don't think like that - we bring them into our world and ask them to do things for us, so its 100% on us to get the communication right. They'd be happier with their buddies eating grass.

[@user-cq9ms7yu5k]

@@tommytom4834 I wouldn’t let you touch my animals with a 10 foot pole. Horses aren’t spiteful. He is not trying to get out of work. The girl in the video clearly does not know how to lunge line properly. She is obviously fearful of her own horse and is hurting him in the process. This is in no way the horses fault.

[@Ncogneeeedo]

Personally this video made me mad, he didn’t attack her till she whipped him. I don’t think its the horses fault at all. He didn’t like getting hit and nor would I. Looked abusive to me.

[@MsKindaSorta]

@@Ncogneeeedo yeah, I wanted to jump thru the screen and use those tools on her.

[@jedhancock5611]

I know a lot about horses, but I learned something new today. Always be willing to learn. I know a lot of people that think they are horses people, and make the same dumb mistakes over and over, because they won't drop their pride and be willing to learn. Thanks so much!! Great lesson.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

You bet 👌

[@BuckyBarnes1349]

You will never stop learning about horses

[@megbruno6371]

So true Jed. Love what Ryan said in another video I have seen... check your ego at the door. I think so often as horse owners we get so caught up in getting a horse to do something, we take it personally when they do not. Instead of just taking a calm step back and determining OK.. what's really going on here?

[@willrobbins8769]

Well I'll be damn. I am actually very impressed. I trained for 35 years. This is the first time I watched a trainer from start to finish and not yelled at the screen. Brings to mind a story from my younger days. Many years ago, a client paid for us to attend a clinic. People brought their problem child to get help. The first problem childs owner was having issues trying to lead this gelding because the animal was doing laps around him. The instructor took the horses lead rope and started hitting the geldings head with a stick. Talking about personal space and bubbles all the while saying "as soon as he gets out of my bubble, he'll find relief " as she proceeds to hit this animal on the head running after him. I actually got up and walked outside because I could not watch. Let alone keep my mouth shut. When I returned, I had hoped the next person's horse would be in the pen, but no. We are still being told how the gelding could find relief. I stepped to the fence and asked a simple question. Loud enough for the owner and front row to hear. I guess the instructor did not. "How is the horse going to find relief in a small pen and you chasing after him?" I then went back to my assigned seat and waited. It took another round of hearing the same statement before someone spoke up with the correct question. We watched 2 more unfortunately, then they broke for lunch. I chose to skip the afternoon show. I went back the next day and the instructor was late. I was getting dizzy watching this owner spin like a top. So I spoke up asked if he could use a hand. I took his stick and animal and got control of the horse as well as explained the whole respect thing. The alpha horse is the leader. I put the person in the correct spot to properly lead and control the horse as well as how to hold the rope and other basic things that horse people just naturally do. Not paying attention to the crowd just in my bubble. Handed the gelding back to the owner who now has control and some understanding of how and why. As well as a much calmer gelding. Stepped out of my bubble to find the instructor standing there watching. I was asked to leave by the instructor. I of course, understood why and respected the request. I have to say thank you. Good old fashion horse since is not common anymore. I have always said that every horse that crossed my path teaches me something. I would like to tip my hat Sir you have added to my thimble of knowledge. Please forgive the story of yesterday from a lonely old widow woman.

[@DougHinVA]

Well said. The same problems what I have seen from ignorant dog owners and I took all the dog training classes from basic up through CGC for 3 dogs I owned. Learning from a skilled person starts with staying quiet and learning to do as they show you.

[@cjjohnson5311]

The lady with her horse, she lacked timing and when she thought the horse was starting to get pushy she over reacted which made the horse more anxious/fearful. I never saw anything that looked like the horse was going to attack her he was reacting out of confusion. If she had been paying attention and re-directing him before he had a chance to react this never would have happened. You have stay one step ahead of your horse. Your training has an element of calmness and not meanness. I see way to many people who think they need to jerk a horse or hit a horse so hard so hard it goes down. In reality, most communication can be done in a calm and steady manner.

[@31erallc12]

More a human problem than horse issue.

[@callyb54]

I agree with you. She definitely went after her horse before he/she attacked her. Perhaps she was anticipating an attack.

[@joes.brewer885]

@@callyb54 exactly to all the above, she provoked the horse, never gave the horse time to settle in to a comply to a task, like to see what she did before they got in the ring

[@spectrumwarrior9560]

i think the horse scared her and she expected to be attacked. she had a look of fear at one point.

[@kdtalisman5365]

Девушка вела себя нервно, а это признак неуверенности в себе, кроме того излишне давила на лошадь это и дало повод к обороне.

[@kidstuff44555]

I have a dominant horse. He's dominant with all other horses and pushy with people. He isn't afraid at all, in fact he's overly friendly. When I got him at 5 years old, the very first things we worked on was respecting our personal space. We had to be firm while also giving him love and attention when he was being good. For about 3 months we carried a stick into his paddock when feeding to keep him out of our space. I had to really coach my teenage daughter into being more firm with him when leading, getting in and out of the paddock etc, because he needed more energy directed his way than any of the other horses we had previously owned. He is now very good. However, if he was sold on to a less confident or inexperienced owner, he would revert to his pushy ways pretty quick. Or if he was punished inconsistently, he is the type who would fight back, not retreat. He could have become dangerous. But really he is very curious, wants to engage and loves affection, just born with a dominant personality

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Great job

[@menotyou5380]

I am in the same situation. A very dominant gelding. I'd love to find him a home where he could be ridden more than I can. (I have physical problems). But I pulled him from a kill pen situation. And I'd be afraid of him ending back up there if the wrong person tried to mess with him.

[@giraffe6801]

That sounds a lot like my mom's horse. I had him trained so you can ride him, but one day he got spooked and I got drug. I would have gotten back on him if it wasn't for my injuries. So I couldn't work with him until I was healed. I guess that built his dominance up cause now he is more pushy and violent. But hopefully it will get better 😊

[@jackson4404]

He sounds like me. I tend to dominate w/o intending to.

[@junekeck1267]

⁠​⁠@@giraffe6801 I think you have a couple choices. Try to re-start your horse. Slowly, a little every day. Never allow him to be pushy or violent. Hence why I said go slowly. Hire a trainer. Or sell him to an experienced horse person that will work him at your place, so you can make sure they know what they’re doing. If you try to restart, and all you get is over the top, pushy, violence. Seriously consider selling him and get a well broke, people loving horse. Having a horse you constantly have to be on guard around, isn’t worth it to me. Best wishes.

[@gingercox6468]

She hit with the whip unnecessarily. She needs horse skills.

[@cjjohnson5311]

My pet peave people that think longing means constantly snapping the whip, Who teaches these skills? I was at a mixed discipline barn where ( not to sound one sided, just what I saw at this barn so don't take it personally ) was that all the western style horse owners longed with the whip constantly snapping at the horse. One day, I was so tired of listening to that, I asked, has your horse not been trained to lunge at a speed until you verbally ask for a different speed? They had no idea what I was asking. I trained my horse on verbal commands, he holds a gait until I ask for something else. If I hold a stick, its only visual, as in I might raise the stick if I want to reinforce a faster speed. NEVER have to snap a whip.

[@April.R646]

Thats what I said. The horse didn't come at her until she hit him. I would've came at her too for hitting me. Hahaha

[@casdragon_5939]

@@cjjohnson5311 western horses have been traditionally trained on minimal voice commands, as if you're showing any type is cue is supposed to be invisible. Even a cluck or kiss sound was penalized for awhile. Its changing now, but there are still plenty of old-school trainers and showman out there.

[@AW1952]

I''m sorry, but, this should be retitled "Owner Charges Horse". I realize that we're only seeing about 20 seconds of video here and perhaps she is anticipating a repeat performance. Yes, it is hard to maintain a calm and confident demeanor after a horse has tried to walk over you or rear in front of you but I get the sense she may have, if not caused it, triggered something that this horse is reacting to. Too much pressure and confusion. While some horses will tolerate mixed signals and let you push them around, some get resentful and will defend themselves because past experience has taught them that more or worse is coming. It's a vicious circle with both parties feeling like they have to defend themselves. Don't get me wrong - it is unacceptable to have a horse respond this way but they learn from us (if not her, a previous owner/trainer). She's sauntering circles with too short a lunge line (free lunge might have worked better for her) and inconsistent with the whip and her body language. She smacks the ground with the whip for no apparent reason while he's loping - he didn't appear to be slowing down. He did not charge. Once, at :29, he dropped back to a trot and tilted his head to check in with her like he was anticipating a turn but he didn't turn or charge. Another circle at the same spot where he broke stride, he is paying attention to her and tilts his head likes he's anticipating a turn, again (asking for a turn in the same place too often?). He only turns into her because her upper body leans slightly back, reducing the little bit of slack in the too short line and then pulls his head SIMULTANEOUSLY raising the whip from behind her springing forward smacking the ground hard behind him. That whip was in motion at the same time she jerked his head. She asked (correction - DEMANDED) forward propulsion while turning him into the circle and towards her! But, even then he didn't charge or even crowd her, almost came to a complete stop (if she had just stopped there and regrouped) - just looking at her - probably as confused as I was about what she wanted him to do. He did not charge until she smacked the whip on the ground - again, aggressively. Pressure, pressure, pressure! Perhaps, this is where he has charged before and she jumped the gun but it was too aggressive. The first two smacks of the whip were on the ground but the third one (although you can't see her clearly on the other side of the horse) made him jump like she connected with him and it was unnecessary. He was no longer threatening her at that point but she kept the pressure on. If she has been working him with this attitude, I can't say I blame him. He didn't strike her, run over her or kick out at her but he is telling her to back off with the same attitude and energy level she was using on him. Also, I don't condone hitting, but if you felt you have no choice and have to defend yourself (after setting this whole incident in motion) a smack across the chest or front legs would probably back him down. Don't wait until he turns away and then smack him on the rump. And, while many people will say this isn't abuse, it's how it starts. A big, strong, proud horse being blamed for his confusion and defending himself. Each occurrence ramps up the misbehavior. I'm not saying she caused this but she needs an attitude adjustment and fortunately for the horse she reached out to Ryan. Hopefully, with professional help, this horse won't get passed on to someone else, over and over, until he ends up on a slaughter truck. I would encourage her to be honest about her own skill level and mindset and have someone else work the horse. A resentful horse can be tricky. A few years ago, I rescued a stunning 11-year old paint gelding from slaughter that had a resentful mindset. For good reason. He had not only been mistreated (won't go into how I know this - sorry, this is already too long) but dumped in a sale yard, cut up from nails in the fences, bit by other horses and so underweight you could see all his bones. You can bring them around - he is wonderful now - but it took time for him to believe that I wasn't going to yank him around, jerk on his head and scare him like someone had doing God knows what. You have to set your ego and emotions aside and be very aware if you have the skills and the right energy and how you're using it. I am a 5'3" woman and was 65 when I rescued him. I can get my message across with body language, intention and energy, directing them in a way they understand and without aggression. Don't take it personal! And, you have to be smart about it. Don't set them up to do things that you know will get a reaction. Find things to do that they can do well and calmly and work from there. The other stuff may just disappear on their own when they realize they can trust you. It is encouraging that she reached out to Ryan because she needs help, or someone more qualified, to reestablish some TWO-way respect and clear communication to regain this horse's trust before he suffers the consequences or she gets hurt or both. Stay safe but give them the benefit of the doubt while reminding yourself that they are what they have been taught and we train them whether we realize it or not - every second of our interaction with them. Be clear, be kind, be consistent and never, ever take your frustrations out on them. Call it a day and get help before it gets to that. It can be a very special friendship with our horses when there is mutual trust. Don't miss out on that. Sorry this is so long but I am passionate about this and it is something newcomers to the horse world need to consider. Thank you for reading if you stuck with it!

[@melissanorris7965]

💯 agree !! The lunge line was way to short ! It was literally like she was chasing him around the round yard …. He understood she wanted him to lunge but being chased with the whip in hand just got to him !!

[@coffeegirl6854]

I have been around and worked with many horses. (There was only one I might have worried about. He had a reputation. But I still worked with him) I don't know this horse and this woman. So please forgive me...I thought the woman was aggressive. I hope they don't give up on each other. ♥️ Work work work.♥️🐎

[@dlmalley8639]

AGREE ☝💯💫👏THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE. 👏💗 I saw this as a bit abusive as well.

[@respectfulhorsemanship]

Not gonna lie, that’s what I saw too. I went back and slowed it down to .25 speed and you can see that when she uses the whip at his haunches the first time, he responds by turning in and giving two eyes. His ears are forward and he’s fine. But then she adds more pressure and that’s when he gets pissy like he’s saying hey, I did what you asked, why did I get a correction? Some horses just don’t tolerate bossy people. If you use your pressure and release incorrectly and they get a correction they don’t understand, they get cranky. As you said, still not an acceptable way of communicating his frustration and still so important for all horses to learn to both respect the space of humans and be aware of their own bodies when moving around, but I definitely saw human error here that prefaced any “naughty” behavior by the horse.

[@abigail1023]

I'm certainly no horse training expert, but I did see what you saw. He seemed to not know what she wanted and felt she was being angry and unfair, making him not trust her.

[@Grushenke89]

she pulled him in and then started whipping. he was checking in with her and to urge him forward, she should have walked towards him and raised the whip and clucked to say "no keep going forward" in a really gentle way at first. she didn't move forward to re-direct, instead she just pulled him up (which says stop) and then started whipping. frankly the horse was scared and confused...she pulled him in to her bubble. actually you could see he was hesitating and wanting to stop (before the rearing) and you can give a gentle urging right then and there. You can make mistakes- just regroup and start again- but don't punish your horse when you do. She put herself in that position with unnecessary aggression.

[@ValerieSmith-qd5ul]

I understand the critique of the owner”s lunging skills BUT I applaud her efforts and bravery in seeking instruction from Ryan. I’ve learned so much from him and wish her and her horse the best learning journey. Know better…do better. Thanks Ryan!

[@SaanichtonMinistries]

Her pink vest did not help!

[@Ako-Ako44]

If you do nothing you don’t make any mistankes... so go out and do something and learn from you’r mistakes! We are learning our whole life - and 👍 for sharing

[@hfhrngjshhhrj]

She pulled that horse into her and then attacked it, confusing him. Her line is way too short too. That horse was trying his best to do what she wanted and she went after him with the whip. It’s no wonder he went after her.

[@echotrash466]

Ya, not even that far into the video and I'm already looking for comments like yours who point out that it was the ladies fault and not the horses fault. Don't protect bad behavior. Just correct it. Plus that lady didn't have a lunge line either, cuz the rope was too short.

[@lilac890]

Exactly!!! Why did she hit him like that ?! 😳

[@lilac890]

@@echotrash466 The only one with a bad behavior here was her. She was unnecessary aggressive to that horse. I would like her to check up her mental status. Not normal. It’s a living beings right to defends it self when attacked. If the horse had gone after her first I would have understand.

[@joycehosaflook3755]

I agree. I do not know much about horses, a little bit though. It I can read some human body language and that lady’s demeanor seemed contentious from the get go, the horse seemed afraid. What I saw was that he just slowed down from the speed that she wanted him to go, then she started hitting him! I would not want her as a mistress if I were a horse! She just seemed mean to me. My opinion only. Maybe she was having a bad day. The horse seemed as if he was just trying to please and possible read her thinking she wanted him to slow down then got whopped and jerked around.

[@abbykoop5363]

@@lilac890 to me it looked like she was already afraid of the horse and anticipating something. In all honesty, I saw the horse ask her questions a few times which she ignored. And then yes, she appeared to whip that horse right into her. Might have been more useful to direct her energy at the horse's neck and shoulder back out onto the circle, rather than drive him forward into her. She might need more hands on help with this horse?

[@steph3118]

All of that Ryan!!!! Love you and that you actually show horses in real time with real problems. I work at a horse rescue and we have all the personalities. Thanks for all you do!💚

[@erika7674]

I didn't see any aggression. I saw a horse that was responding to the whip lashing at the hind quarters and moving forward - unfortunately in the direction of the handler. In my view, she was getting what she asked the horse for.

[@sharpercoloradohomesllc7859]

I appreciate that this person is willing to share her situation. Thank you Ryan for helping everyone with this video. Shame on the know it all's for being so harsh, when she is obviously reaching out for assistance, I'm sure none of you have never had a problem with a horse.

[@ForceFreeTrainergirl06]

This woman obviously caused the behaviour from the horse whether because of her inexperience, or just being plain in a bad mood. She was doing everything wrong. The bigger point for me is that the guy making this video did not comment on that though so many people have said the same thing in these comments. I hope when he replied to her privately he pointed out to her that this was actually not a horse being aggressive for no reason in fact I see a scared horse reacting to her actions.

[@jmwhorsemanship]

Amen girl. This lady has clearly been attacked by her horse before and now they will have to relearn how to trust each other.

[@groussac]

It's as much about choosing the right horse as mastering the right technique. Probably not the right horse for her.

[@DougHinVA]

is the last remark a snarky and sarcastic statement you are making ?

[@danlambert1061]

She clearly made several mistakes...BUT HUGE APPLAUSE for realizing she had an issue she needed help with. VERY SMART lady who clearly is working hard to improve her horsemanship!!!!

[@ashleycheechoo3845]

Great video! Creating boundaries creates bonding. He clearly understands that you are not there to hurt him but to help him be a better and more respectful gentleman. Thank you for this info.

[@bippy201]

This lesson was exactly what I need with my mare. I’m glad KZbin randomly suggested one of your shorts to me!

[@lizzieh5020]

This has been so helpful and exactly what I needed for my mare. By far the best horse channel on youtube!!

[@hamtaroluv98]

if people think a tap with the stick is bad, they should see how horses put each other in their place

[@tracyhill7960]

The toughest horse I ever had to rehabilitate was badly abused by people, and also knew she was stronger than people. By the time I rebuilt her faith and trust, she was the best friend I could have ever had

[@homeandgardendiy6363]

❤❤❤

[@charlottereid3960]

I love people who treat the animal like an animal, no babying, they understand how to make the animal understand, yet they are fair in the way they do it. Keep up the good work!

[@comesahorseman]

They're not pets; they're way too big & quick for that. However, they are surprisingly good trainers (of us) and you have to keep an eye out for the way they might be manipulating you. 😄

[@charlottereid3960]

@@comesahorseman totally agree

[@HerbMoore3]

Loved it when he moved out of your way with just a look. You illustrated your point perfectly and you probably will have saved lots of horses from the kill-pen with this advice. Thank you! 🐎❤🐎

[@1jazzyphae]

You just proved the issue with the horse world. It is so normalized to kill horses because they don't do what you want. Or didn't respect you how you thought they should. I swear 90% easily of horse owners shouldn't own any animal.

[@Lilian040210]

@@1jazzyphae It's not just horses. Dogs too. Somebody takes a dog of a breed that was created to be comfortable with attacking people and then kills it the second it bites because they didn't want to hear the word "dominance" and expected it to think like a human. While these same people are totally ok with showing dominance to people lmao this is killing me

[@sabinacampbell3995]

Disappointed that Ryan didn't point out that the owner of the palamino had no connection on the line in the first place plus she stopped moving first. The horse followed her lead of stopping and then she whipped the horse. In my view, the horse justifiably defended itself and its a nice horse so she got let off with a warning.

[@bruciegarrett3557]

I work with race horses, I find the problem with horses ,more than not is the handlers.Correcting pushy seems to have been a main event- patient ,consistent interaction as you have shown brings respect and safety + in the end result a loyal horse,in my opinion.Thank you, again for your giving back to horsemanship.

[@badnelly7819]

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[@kimtoledokt]

Ryan Rose is thee best knowledgeable with the horses. Also he's a handsome cowboy and gentle with the 🐎 horses. Give 👍 thumbs up Excellent workmanship!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks 👍

[@kimtoledokt]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship Welcome!

[@catwoman2596]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship how did you not see that the handler was in the wrong? The horse was moving fine until she pulled him into herself because he was looking for direction and hit him. Also the lunge line was too short and she was on his ass with the whip too much in the first place. IMO

[@ciaragough1335]

Thanks Ryan - your videos are always great to watch and really interesting. Also thanks to the woman who sent in the video - hard to subject yourself to the judgment in the comments but really, really useful for anyone watching getting to learn from errors.

[@bruciegarrett3557]

Very nicely explained, good instructor, excellent horsemanship skills.Thank you Sir.

[@Lisa_GalCali]

Excellent advice. This is simple to follow, yet super effective!! Thank you!

[@hughhai]

I am a intermediate in horsemanship, but a literal expert in human communication. We know from extensive research that horses correctly identify human facial expressions. It follows that body language is probably within horses’ grasp, too. What I see is a human displaying contempt and frustration toward a horse, and then acting on those states. Imagine how a human would react if she approached in the same way - it would result in conflict, especially if she hit them. How else was the horse supposed to process what she was communicating? My equestrian mentors’ whips have never touched a horse, and I was taught that they are solely a visual signaling tool. I can’t think of a single reason to ever use them any other way. The horses I’ve done groundwork with see the whip and know it’s time to work, play, and connect. Good on Ryan for reframing this as a teachable moment. I think a conversation about checking our state before we enter a horse’s field of awareness, and how our state shapes those interactions would compliment this. Some days, perhaps we shouldn’t be in the ring, especially if we are telegraphing fear, intimidation, or impatience. I try to always ask, “How does the horse feel about this?”

[@dakotahstr]

Respect the horse also.

[@robbymcintosh9069]

Common sense is only unacceptable to close minded folks and horses minds are wide open ( in my opinion)...well played sir! God's peace to all.

[@missymelissa2k12]

she was using the whip rather aggressively.. almost passive aggressive.. the horse recognized it

[@keithtaylor6069]

I love how you talk horse language! I hope more people will understand this and how a horse is just a horse, it's all he knows... I'm still learning and always will be.

[@adibarr8996]

The lady in the video.. sure appeared to ME... to be overly aggressive TOWARDS THE HORSE. Start at the beginning & break it down step by step.

[@seasonkairos1162]

Maybe learning effective communication and not hitting your horse would be effective. Horses aren’t aggressive by nature, they just react to you.

[@MaxNafeHorsemanship]

No response needed. It was clear she caused the problem. The horse was simply reacting to her actions. Somebody please take that whip away from her until she learns to use it. BTW, why was she using a lead in what appears to be a roundpen?

[@soonexrepublican7556]

She was abusing that horse.

[@MsBarefootmafia]

Thanks again for always sharing your knowledge. I love watching you.

[@tracyjohnson5023]

Thank you for pointing out that if you care about your horses teach them good respectful ground manners. I've worked with "problem" horses for years, privately and in rescue, and bad ground manners are one of the top reasons horses end up in bad places.

[@jenivieve8273]

To be fair it looked like she started it.

[@d.h.fremont3027]

I did not find the horse aggressive. She was a poor horsewoman. Use of the whip to exert power over the animal is very very wrong. The horse was only trying to make her stop whipping. Poor horse.

[@carlyfenton-wyrick1560]

Thank you! This has been tricky to get the right amount of firm boundaries without over-doing the pressure. It's so hard to find good videos on pushy horses. My horse is very much like the one you work with and there's a couple new things in this video I can now try out!

[@horsebitchbarnwitch]

me too!!!

[@TheHungryEquestrian]

Human needs to have respect first she was way way to handy with that whip .. that horse was defending itself. Maybe that woman should keep fish not horses

[@noellealyagout1669]

This horse was obedient until the handler used unnecessary pressure on his hindquarters. That surprised him and he turned in a bit, naturally which made the handler ( who is not yet very experienced) get scared and over reacted by smacking the hind so hard he only had a choice to turn, face her and rear . This horse is not guilty of aggression. The handler is ....although she didn’t mean it exactly....I know. I’ve been there 😅 her mindset needs to go into more compassion and patience with horses and correct gently and immediately, a skill that demands more refinement but is well worth it 👍🏻

[@jeanettelloyd8898]

Another issue is the lunge line is too short and the horse isn’t fit so being on the small circle, which also isn’t a true circle so more bad training for the horse. She needs to take the horse off the lunge and free lunge. She doesn’t use the lunge whip the right way either. If the horse is moving forward, shouldn’t keep cracking the whip. Continuing to ask him to move when he’s already moving confuses him. It doesn’t reward him for moving. There’s a lot going on beyond the horse not being trained to come into personal space, which should be lesson one.

[@michelleglandorf3948]

What i saw is that the woman whipped the horse with her whip before he "chased the owner". A horse will never attack out of nowhere. A horse always has a reason to do something. Maybe out of fear. Or dominance. But this horse didn't seem dominant at all. It was an act out of fear. The horse wanted the owner to stop beating him/her

[@michelleglandorf3948]

Horses don't learn from pressure. Horses learn from release.

[@reginasilvers1437]

so so good. Shew simple step and has changed the way I keep my horses out of my bubble. Especially with our backs to them. Good stuff!!!

[@Cedartree-cf6om]

The trainer needed the training. It was obvious she started the aggression by snapping the whip for what? No reason what so ever! I dont blame the horse for trying to put her in her place. She clearly deserved the horse charging at her. Dont bully!!! Patience and care will win over aggression.

[@jennifer1110]

Around the 9:14 mark, I liked seeing, as you pointed out, he was not afraid of the stick. I think the difference in your video and your patreon member's is I didn't feel aggression as you moved your whip/stick, you were simply moving it with a focus on a spot and the horse knew that spot was claimed and chose to move away. The other video felt more aggressive and that the whip was focused at the horse and is why I think the horse felt he needed to protect himself.

[@lulu9189]

I would charge at her too if she was whipping me. Her face and body language says it all. She needs to respect the horse . !!!!

[@julieandhorses5291]

Thank you for this; its a lesson that's served me well to date but the reminder to check in periodically really helped as I recognise I've allowed some bad habits to creep back in, particularly when moving around my horses in the field. Love these little tidbit videos.

[@ninabrooks9121]

She deserved everything that came her way! Maybe the horse just got tired of being forced to run in circles and to get hit. Good horse! Respect the horse first!

[@catwoman2596]

Exactly! She doesn't deserve any animal's, needs anger management and an attitude adjustment herself.

[@ninabrooks9121]

@@catwoman2596 I love and respect horses, and I don't like it when folks treat them like slaves.

[@ratfan03]

I get so much information from your videos. Thank you.

[@YamaKinoko]

Thank you for doing your work.

[@lechatel]

True of children too. If parents are too soft and don't establish boundaries the kids end up getting in trouble or being anti-social and ut ruins their prospects of a happy life.

[@fairdinkum9454]

Aggression…!? That girl had no self confidence, she had no real ability to read the horse, and acted totally inappropriate. She is a typical, and unfortunate, example of “horse people” that should get a turtle. Not a horse. Dump bank farkin humans… 😣

[@forthewynaugsburg2181]

She had it comin

[@MsKindaSorta]

I know very little about horses. I do know everything that woman client was doing was wrong. She provoked all of that situation. Her energy, posture, behavior was all aggressive. I bet her dog bites her.

[@ElleKay4Life]

Step one. Stop whipping your horse and expecting it to respect you.

[@jamielynn9417]

I'm sorry but hes not hurting the horse.... The horse is going to hurt you before you hurt the horse

[@anneflynn9614]

Who was whipping the horse in this video? No one.

[@pmedic244]

Honestly she was nagging the horse when he was moving...if the horse was moving and you keep using the whip the horse is going to loudly and clearly tell you to F off. She kept the pressure up and didn't give him a release of pressure.

[@charlevoix2]

by the way she whipped that horse i bet it had whip marks on it.a overkill you ask me...thats like a kid spilling his milk,and whipping him for it....major over doing it

[@ums3857]

Thank you so much for this video! It was so clear this was what I needed to train wit my horse

[@jackielheureux3229]

I think the Palomino got sick of being bullied by people. She went after him with the whip say the horse is going to go after her.

[@Lexchampine]

It’s obviously the lady’s fault 🙄

[@catwoman2596]

I can't believe Mr. Rose didn't see it as well as the majority of people commenting. 😕

[@sarahdescoteaux1840]

Great video and something that most people don't think about. I often hear people say they don't like mares because they are pushy or bossy, but the truth is that we dismiss this behavior early on and allow it to happen. We wait until there is a major problem before we correct it. This is a great exercise of any horse at any stage of training.... To often gets missed or overlooked.

[@jog3131]

She whipped it and pulled his rope toward her at the same time. Problem with the human imo. TY for helping the horse Ryan Rose

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks and the string never touched the horse.

[@rosemarybasse5498]

Look at the video again and pause every few seconds, she is pulling him in a bit when she also pushes him forward with the whip, but she does give him room to make the choice to move around rather than directly into her. He could have simply yielded his hindquarters as she pulled him in. Also, she whipped the ground behind him, and he didn't even move, in fact he stopped and thought about it. Then he jumped towards her in a direct charge. He definitely was being dangerous, and clearly isn't scared by her. From what I see he wasn't just frustrated by her signals, he decided he'd also rather not and that she wasn't going to make him do anything. I had to stop and pause to see those things tho, just telling you what I see.

[@brendahill7529]

The woman's body language is very aggressive the entire clip. She relaxed a little and the horse began to come into her and she immediately became very aggressive!! Clue, EVERY animal will fight if they are pushed into fear for life/survival mode!! I hope you explained that to the woman as well! Training is NOT AGGRESSIVE behavior! A trainer, especially horse trainers, do not need to be aggressive! Horses are sensitive to body language! Firmness is NOT aggression! I believe quite a few "want to be trainers" have sent many horses to kill floors!" I learned from multiple trainers before I ever put a horse through my novice training abilities.

[@arkadiuszmotyka1163]

That was completely educational. Respect ,you are awesome and amazing with your knowledge.

[@MeadowCreekFarmLife]

100% agree! Respect is SO important for safety. People who have a problem with how we teach need only watch a herd of mares school a youngster. LOL!

[@turnnburnx03]

I love this. My mentor has taught this many times only he goes to get his coffee vs a hay bail ;) it's nice to see someone else explain the same concept in a little different way.

[@zensationsmassage4154]

sorry but that lady didn't know what in the world she was doing and the horse was smarter than her here.

[@annieponies3462]

She was way to aggressive with the horse and that horse is protecting himself, this is probably not the first time she was the predator !!

[@DivineSource444]

Absolutely love this! Subscribed!

[@kandygibson6778]

I do not understand why the owner was hitting the horse? Honestly, looked like that was more of an owner issue than a ;horse issue. Of course, YOU are the expert.

[@sbeasley7585]

That video shows a woman who should not own a horse. In the video she pulls her arm back and the horse responds to it by stopping and facing her. She then whips him for stopping when she just communicated to him to stop. After the second time she whips him, he goes after her. Let's give honest assessments please.

[@lilac890]

She hit the horse ?!? That was so unnecessary, she can have it in my opinion…. Abuse !

[@Jadefrost_10]

human problem not horse problem with that lady, her body language and movement says it all, dunno why but to me it looks like she did this on purpose, like all calm and chill and all of sudden she puts massive pressure and slaps ground behind him really aggressive but fearful in same time like she knew..., maybe is just me, not an expert, but these kind of things will teach horses badly and then these horses end up in kill pens :(

[@GospelGirl23]

Thank you for sharing your techniques. I appreciate you 😊

[@Mooseman327]

Sorry, but that lady needs either to go back to school herself re: horse training or sell the horse to someone who knows what they're doing. She has no idea what she's doing there. Her attitude is one of fear and aggression and that's what's being communicated to the horse. It takes two seconds viewing the video to see that. This horse does not have a problem but the owner sure does. Surprised you didn't call her out on it.

[@susanlewis3068]

The horse did nothing wrong. I see a person circling a poor horse and confusing it, and lashing at it,directly, I might add..and what she did, was in an aggressive manner. I suggest slowing down the video and teaching people and what NOT to do. I do love your videos BTW

[@apollosranch88]

Absolutely great video

[@happysadness1207]

No wonder the horse charged her.. she kept hitting the horse and being abusive. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@mechlabs0302]

Great video thanks so much!

[@laureradloff1616]

That was her mistake.

[@nicolecaballera2135]

The woman was way too agressive. Even while just lunging him, she wasn't respecting him when he was circling correctly. She loves her whip too much. She basically taught him to be defensive.

[@jjholland8177]

The lady in the video made predator moves that looked like she was going to attack. If I were the horse, I would've done the same thing! Definitely aggressive looking movements. I hope she was helped and can develop a bond of trust rather than trust with her beautiful horse! Good video.

[@sherrydoudlah3082]

Ryan always appreciate your training videos. PERFECT

[@cadencefarm7005]

Wonderful video! You are so accurate and precise with your communication and you understand what the horse is communicating to you. It is wonderful to see in real time how you build the relationship!

[@sassy6292]

This lady has been annoying her horse for quite awhile I would say.

[@dagmarsigridmanondenijs-bl7156]

The way that whip was making swish noise also scared the horse. Your way shows respect for the horse also.

[@lrg613]

And, that lady needs to learn how to lunge a horse so it’s a nice experience! Her body language is tense and ready for a fight. We had to learn how to approach and train abused horses off the track without whips. And, we trained them to jump!

[@nicolabradley3084]

Thank you that was insightful and really helpful for humans with confident dominant horses, which can quickly escalate to danger… resulting in injuries and the unthinkable choice that some may make to have the horse destroyed because the leadership, wasn’t there or understood, have known this so grateful for teachers such as you Ryan Rose, I found this method of training me in 2007 James Roberts helped me and my red horse, I’ll never forget him and those horsemen and women like James making the world a better place for everyone ❤️🙏🐴 thank you for your generosity ☺️ Sharing your vast knowledge and wisdom 😊

[@lynnettejalufka2682]

Thank you. I wish I knew this when I had my gelding.

[@kkdoc7864]

She should not use a WHIP.

[@Hat5858]

The whip is like the stick and the flag.. It's an extension of your arm.

[@texastreat8721]

Wonderful lesson thank you

[@jackson4404]

This is great! You can be in charge without getting mean about it.

[@vickiehadd4324]

WHY WAS SHE WHIPPING THE HORSE?

[@antjehester8760]

The horse was on a longe and could not flee. Than she attacked the horse with the whip and the horse defended itself.

[@gemmadavies4997]

Thats so key "if you value your horse you'll teach them to be safe to be around" don't fail your horse by letting them become "difficult". Every word you spoke is essential information! This should be the first thing childern learn to help them understand how equines communicate and be more confident around horses.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

👍

[@peterk8909]

At about nine minutes you referenced the fact that there was no 'cut'. I think I'm going to like you.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

Whatever happened to lunging basics? The horse should be in frame between both of her arms. Her left arm drives. Her whip is used much too aggressively. Totally owner fault here.