American reacts to German Parents VS American Parents

We have a standpoint and term in Sweden: "You do not own your children; you are only caregiver to your children" - So parents should always have the best interest of the children.

[@CabinFever52]

I like that...a lot.

[@TheKampfschaf]

Me too, every parent should be taught this.

[@JulyNeitemeyer]

same in germany

[@elsotto3314]

Same in The Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@eucitizen78]

@@CabinFever52 me too

[@tsurutom]

"It is their children" "The right to educate your own children" Just because you made a new person does not mean you now own that person 😐nor do you have the right to mess up their life any which way you like. On the contrary, you have many more duties towards them, *in addition* to the duty to not harm them like everyone else.

[@AnnetteLudke-je5ll]

Thank you!

[@Anson_AKB]

It is similar to the discussion about selecting a name for the children, and germany not allowing lots of stupid names that would be detrimental or where it should be easy to see that the children might be bullied because of those names. i think it boils down to who has more freedom and more rights : in the usa it is the parents who have all the freedoms to name, educate, and decide what the children should do, while in germany, the children's wellbeing and possible consequences for their future get priority over wishes of the parents.

[@zasou571]

​@@Anson_AKBvery well said - can't agree more! 👍 Greetings from northern Germany ^^

[@Ati-MarcusS]

@@zasou571 greetings from south-west Germany the Hunsrück Region

[@stevensiegert]

​@@Ati-MarcusS Greetings from the Naheland lol

[@JustSomeTommy]

In my opinion, kids shouldn't be victims of their stupid parents bad decisions, and I'm happy they're protected from that here. Every kid should have access to the same quality of education.

[@gabibavaria]

and children (usually) learn social behavior much better at school/kindergarten, i.e. how to interact with other children and adults.

[@klamin_original]

@@gabibavariait’s just plain science, of course school is better for bonding with people in general

[@SvenReinck]

And I don’t know if that has changed since my days in school but I would say German schools stay very close to what is scientifically proven. So there is no worry about kids learning nonsense in school.

[@Thor3661]

I dont realy agree on the Last Point but because of Personal experience, my teachers in 3 and 4 grade did not like me they mobbed me and that pretty open and just because they dont liked me i was put in Hauptschule because my mother thought it would be better when the teacher says so

[@FAL87]

@@Thor3661 sry to hear that. Thats of Course not okay

[@KrisThroughGlass]

I feel like Americans think they own their children and can decide everything for them (will, besides causing serious bodily harm). In Germany we believe that the kids have rights, too. For example to get a decent education and not being named something ridiculous.

[@imelimadame9244]

*including serious bodily harm. Hitting your children is legal in america. In many states it is even legal for teachers to spank children

[@CabinFever52]

That is a very common attitude, for sure.

[@manub.3847]

"My/our children;...grandchildren...", in Germany usually means that these children are part of your family and you are responsible for "catching them when they stumble" (stumbling also refers to life situations)

[@gabor6259]

"not being named something ridiculous." You hear that, Elon?

[@janosnagy3096]

Well, their right to decent education is NOT honored if you look at the disastrous PISA test results

[@petrophaga8523]

school is not just about education. It is also about socialising

[@Lisa-xn9xc]

It always depends on the child. You don't learn a lot about socialising when you're being bullied.

[@nichtthunder]

Not to mention that homeschooling would create a massive danger in form of child abuse. School is the only place children HAVE to go to regularly, so for children from an abusive household it's often also the only place they can go for help. Otherwise nothing would stop the parents from quite literally locking their children in the house 24/7

[@vomm]

Not really. There are many studies and all of them show that homeschooled kids are well socialized too. This argument is simply made up and spread without any scientific basis, an assumption that people think is true because it seems obvious, and then they just parrot it because it must be true. I'm not trying to argue for homeschooling here, but for a factual approach to topics in general.

[@vomm]

@@nichtthunder Practically all children who are abused are in schools. How does that fit in with your argument? Besides, there are tons of concepts and ideas in various countries on how to control and psychologically assess children even with homeschooling. Again: I'm not arguing pro-homeschooling, but please, let's be factual instead of spreading rumors and made-up facts.

[@theoneandonlypirates]

​@@vommpractically all car crash victims wore seatbelts. Why bother demanding them at all? Because it prevents more than enough additional cases. No safeguard will be 100% in a society of millions. But an exclusively homeschooled kid is at greater risk never to be noticed by anyone else when it is being abused in any way.

[@S.T.A.L.K.E.R.-Strelok]

Children have rights that even the parents can't take away from them.

[@sonkerieckmann7183]

Unfortuantely the US still did not ratify the UN child rights convention

[@CabinFever52]

@@sonkerieckmann7183 , so you're saying they give an 8 hour old embryo more rights than a child. Such an odd country.

[@sonkerieckmann7183]

@@CabinFever52 I did not actually said that. But I think the Republican Party would love too ;) MY comment wass menat as that children have rights but the US does not care about it. Thwere are still states where corporal punishemnt is legal

[@CabinFever52]

@@sonkerieckmann7183 , actually, it is true in many states. Such that the afterpill (contraception for after) is illegal in many places, plus a mother must risk her life for a fetus in any case in some states. Republicans are working to make it the law in all states. And yes, I am from that very odd country.

[@sonkerieckmann7183]

@@CabinFever52 I am from Germany and I do not have much insights as I do not have children, but I know that they teach about the children rights already in elementary school. Abortion is also not legal in Germany (before 12 week there will be no criminal investigation, as far as I could read), but we are working on it.

[@BlueFlash215]

I would like to see her degree in social economics, physics, history, maths, chemistry, biology, religion/philosophy, sports, geography, computer science, arts, music as well as German, French, Latin and English. Not talking about other topics. Furthermore, topics grade 10-13 in Germany are on par with what you learn for a bachelor's degree in the US. My sister studied in the United States and I was flabbergasted at the topics and problems given. These topics resolving in a bachelor's degree could all be solved by good 13 graders in Germany, most even without further learning. My sister studied economics and worked at a well known bank in a high position later on. Additionally, nobody prevents you from teaching your own children on top of what they learn in school. School socializes, school has equipment and resources that parents simply do not have. You do not "own" your children. You are there to provide for them. It's not their fault if they've got parents that have a radical mindset which they want to teach in silence at home.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

I mean, I could probably teach my kids all of that, but then who is going to work to make the money? :P

[@arnodobler1096]

​@@TheSuperappelflap Even teachers specialize during their studies.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@arnodobler1096 yeah that's nice if you are going to teach at university but to teach a bunch of kids history you don't need a degree, just read some books and then tell the kids to read the books and talk about interesting stuff. I would like to teach maybe but I would have to do years of studying to get a degree for stuff I already know from reading wikipedia articles and books.

[@snaffers9309]

​@@TheSuperappelflap na, to teach you need was more information than what you can get out of one or two books. You have to have understood the whole theme and be able to connect it with anything that us in any way connected with it. If teaching was as simple as that, teachers would bé overpaid and have an easy job. Can you explain a child, why a word IS written the way it is? It's something that may help him to remember the spelling.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@snaffers9309 yes that's called etymology and it's also an interest i have. I could at least teach 7 different subjects at a senior high school level without any additional training. Math, physics, economics, geography, history, English, Dutch. With a bit of polishing up i could do German, chemistry, biology and Latin as well. And do elective classes in computer programming. But to get a teaching license I would have to go to school for 4 years just to get certified for one of these subjects. And after that i would get paid less than i do working in IT. This is why every western country has a massive teachers shortage.

[@Astro-Markus]

I'm pretty sure this woman lives in a neighbourhood that's not very typical of Germany. Düsseldorf, the city she lives in, can have pretty posh areas. Who can afford travelling the world? She must be quite privileged. As a German, I was quite thrown off by some opinions. A bit of TV is pretty normal, so long as it's not excessive. But that also often depends on the social status. Home schooling is forbidden as it excludes children from a standardised curriculum. No parent, even teachers, can be proficient in all subjects alike. And teaching methods and content changes all the time. In addition, it produces an inequality in children right from the beginning, not to speak of the tendency of seclusion. It's in the children's interest to receive proper eduction. Eduction does not exist to follow the parents' wishes.

[@starstencahl8985]

Coming from the area, absolutely. Düsseldorf is very posh and pretentious. And this kind of parenting she’s talking about is mostly a status symbol. Telling and showing other people how great and modern and ecological, etc. etc. you’re raising your kids

[@aubergine1236]

Ich glaube ihr Mann ist Zahnarzt

[@LisaBeta-42]

Who even can afford to LIVE in Düsseldorf? Montessory schooling is posh and expensive too. If you send your childvto a "regular school" it stays free of charge, except some money you have to spent on books and learning equipement. You are allowed to school and educate your children as much as you like, AFTER sending them to an apptoved school with stardarized lessons & topics appropriate for each grade they get taught in. Private schools cost special fees and some exams have to be taken at other institutions (the same way home-schooled kids might have to prove, that they have learned their stuff). Now there are even standardized end exams for all pupils, to check for bad schools - sometimes a lot of lessons get dropped for various reasons and parents have to step in anyway. Primary school used to take place only in the morning, to leave the afternoon free for sports, music or outside games PLUS written homework for the next schoolday. If both parents have to work, they can book the afternoon as daycare done on the schoolsite together with a warm meal served there.

[@SatieSatie]

I've never heard of anyone travelling the world after having a baby. That's so weird. I have no idea what kind of people this woman hangs out with but wow.

[@deNevoa]

​@@SatieSatiei know few parents who travel with their children. Im from Czech republic.

[@ninaspallek6678]

3:37 school is not only about learning Informations. It has also a social part, meeting other kids, beeing outside of your bubble And it is also about avoiding indoctrination from extremist parents (religious, political, what ever)

[@hannajung7512]

and about having a safety net against domestic abuse.

[@coolhomeschool2267]

indoctrination happens at home, also for the kids in school

[@janosnagy3096]

School is about AVOIDING indoctrination ? ROTFLMAO 🤣🤣🤣 More like schools are the primary source of indoctrination.

[@TimoLaine-pv5ph]

I think it's odd to think that "they are your children" like you owned them. They are individuals separate from you and you're responsible for them. In addition to your responsibility is the society's responsibility to look over that you act on the best interest of the child.

[@mathildewesendonck7225]

I totally agree!! That’s why I don’t like the idea of homeschooling for everyone. Children deserve education

[@EbayDK2K]

Kindergarten and school are seen as essential regarding becoming a part of society and giving the kids a chance to create an own opionion by exposing them to other people and opinions. So it also is a tool against extremism...

[@klamin_original]

@@EbayDK2KMaybe we should point out that the German kindergarten starts at around age 4, contains a pre school setting with a few hours of learning basic things each week in the last year and at age 6 the majority of children then go to primary school, 1st grade. The American kindergarten and pre school system is different.

[@olafborkner]

My father often said to me, I just wish that one day you would have a child that is like you are. That was a warning to me and so I said to my future wife, I accept everything, but I have one condition, NO CHILDREN.

[@Thor3661]

@@klamin_original age 3 and you can bring your child to Kitas at 6 month

[@lethfuil]

See, in Germany we don't allow people to own people. And we see children as people. Not as adults! But as fully human and individuals. As a person. And since you can't own a person, you can't own your child. You absolutely have rights! But those rights can never overwrite the rights of the child to get proper care, education and safety etc. You have responsibilities towards your child, which are more than not to let them starve. You need to help this person, that you don't own, that is its own individual, grow up and become independent.

[@DerFischStinktVomKopfe]

By your logic the state owns all people. adults and children. isn't that a little fascist?

[@lethfuil]

@@DerFischStinktVomKopfe Owns? No. The thing is that NO ONE ownes someone. Everyone is a free Individual that only owns themselve. It's the States/Governments responsibility to speak on your behalf if you're not able to, and to make sure that you're safe and your own person. A person owned by no one. It's almost disturbing that you think that if children aren't the PROPERTY of their parents they're the property of someone else. Children are people, humans. And, again, no human belongs to anyone but themselves. And if our government sees someone trying to take that away from a person, they stop them. And if said person is a child, aka not able, or responsible, to care for themselve, the government helps out to make sure the person can develop the best they can. Free, not as property.

[@emotional_trashpanda]

no. home schooling is bad and parents should not have the right to it. Because children should have the right to a good education and normal socialization with other children. The rights of the children must be higher than the "rights" of the parents

[@HammerwerferRudi]

"good education" meme german schoolsystem

[@Anna-zi7sx]

1000000% agree.

[@laurentpaumier3103]

I don't agree with you. I'm pro socialization but home schooling is sometimes the best choice.

[@klamin_original]

@@laurentpaumier3103there aren’t many good reasons for homeschooling for average children.

[@FAL87]

@@HammerwerferRudi the german school system isnt that bad if you compare it with other countries.

[@AnNi1492K]

Plastic is not only bad for the enviroment, but also for people (especially children) because of the plasticizers etc.

[@1987JohnMcClane1987]

So true, but it depends on the specific plastic.

[@wolfsdream499]

​@@1987JohnMcClane1987 You are absolutly right. But since most forms of plastics were invented only a short time ago we don't know about long term effects. Also there was a testing not that long ago that found multiple forbidden substances in multiple pacifiers! I'm not saying anyone should raise their kid absolutly plastic-free but I see many parents buying plastic toys for their children without a limit or even thinking about it.

[@Bleed1987]

so why do parents put food in plastic boxes?

[@hannajung7512]

​@@wolfsdream499pacifiers are bad for the child's health anyway. It is a substitute for the need of the child to connect physically to another human, by exploiting the dopamin reaction the get from sucking on something. Ideally you do not use them at all.

[@hannajung7512]

​@@Bleed1987because plastic is easy to use, does not break as fast as glas, is less expensive AND people in Germany trust the system of regulations. Wether or not they should is another question. In addition the plastic used for food storage is suppossed to not contain chemicals known to dissolve into the content of the box.

[@Anna-zi7sx]

I’m incredibly against homeschooling. Also, parents do not own their children. They’re responsible for them, but kids are their own person.

[@janosnagy3096]

Yeah, homeschooling is awful. The poor kid might end up getting a decent education, unlike his peers in the state's failure factory (see PISA tests). Shock! Horror!

[@larsradtke4097]

We pay €30k for our kids grade 7 and 10. I really would like to give them home schooling, as the teachers are rubbish. PDFs, incompetent and slow. I taught my son 6th grade math while in COVID lockdown and a new language in 8 months.

[@coolhomeschool2267]

I dont own my child. He decides, what to learn, he is independant (we use teachers für English, French and Italian, we have courses für physics and chemistry, for IT he is doing internships in different companies since 6th grade. He learns from 9 to 12, than he is with his friends, while I am working, he has more friends than other kids. If I think back, I read books in school, the lessons were boring.

[@missLeneSalver]

I think social skills are very important, and im afraid that, isolation from shoolfriends is not a good choice for any child, but when you see the news in US , school shootings happens to often, i understand why you would be afraid to send your kids to school. Kids needs social connections with other kids, i belive that make kids better adults. just my opinion.

[@coolhomeschool2267]

@@missLeneSalver Homeschoolers play with their friends, neighborkids, have courses, go to sports etc. In my opinon they have more social skills, because they learn, how to make friends in the real world, not in a closed area like a school. When I was in school we shouldnt talk during the lessons, there was less interaction, after school we had normal interactions. Schoolshootings we dont have, we are very happy about this.

[@wilfriedhonekamp1868]

Children should also have the right to a good education, right? Which right should be valued more highly, that of parents to raise their children the way they want, or that of children? In Germany, children's rights are valued more highly.

[@ayoutubechannelhasnoname6018]

Usually people talking about home schooling have a very strange mindset about basically most things concerning this society and therefor want to infuse that mindset to their children. So this law protects children from their parents in a way 😂

[@janriepshoff5237]

Exactly - often the same with religion! It's very good that home schooling is not a thing here.

[@futurefox128]

Indeed it's mostly Evangelicals or more generally hardcore Christians that use homeschooling for exactly this purpose. I.e. Katy Perry (I'm not a fan of hers, but her story is fascinating) is a famous example for this. I recently heard she wasn't even allowed to listen to any kind of music that wasn't religious, which is absolutely insane. Eventually she rebelled and became a star, but that's obv not the norm.

[@Attirbful]

Another aspect I feel very strongly about when it comes to homeschooling is that there is no instance that checks on the child‘s welfare. Usually, it is teachers who first notice changes in behavior in children, who notice wounds or bruises and they CAN interfere and ask for child protective services to check on the family situation (I know, it is more often NOT done, but it is at least some checking agency). Many argue that kids are bullied at school so they are homeschooled. What if a child is being bullied at home? NO ONE will take notice. There were so many cases in America where children were never monitored, suffered parental abuse, were even sexually trafficked under the radar because they were not in any public setting ever and no one helped them. An absolute no go!

[@Carol_65]

Good point

[@hannajung7512]

Exactly, this is also the reason why mandatory medical check-ups in certain intervalls are so important. For people that do care for their children they should be a no brainer anyway, and for those that do not they are very much needed to make sure the child is okay.

[@SatieSatie]

I feel like domestic violence and abuse are sometimes the exact reasons why some parents choose to homeschool their kids...

[@missLeneSalver]

absolutly agree on that

[@avi.chan23]

right? My younger son at some point told his teacher in primary school, he doesn´t get food at home, a few hours later I had the childcare department visiting our home. Turned out, we had plenty of food in the fridge, everything was fine but thought, I was kind of angry in that particular moment, I wasn´t angry for long as that means, if a child seriously has problems at home, it will get checked asap. The teacher apologized afterwards as well, but in my opinion I rather have people checking on us without a reason than kids starving and no one cares... So yes, school is important in more ways than just education.. it provides safety and a certain control of what the parents do (do the kids have proper cloths, food, do they grow up without being abused...) this cannot be ensured if a kid doesn´t leave its home.

[@sabinereimer7809]

I am a bit astonished when she said the German mommy's don't speak English... I am German, we learn English at school! And I loved to speak it whenever I got the chance for training it when meeting foreigners. 😮

[@merandareast2552]

I know a lot of people who will pretend they don’t speak English if they simply do not want to engage with a particular person. My own twelve year old does that. Prefers not to show they understand so they don’t have to get into some big explanation about why they want nothing to do with the other person.

[@claudiafalk4285]

I also thought that if she would tell the others how much more comfortable she would feel when talking English, she would get a lot more English talks. How can the parents know it?

[@SatieSatie]

It really depends on the level of education, though. In my bubble, the vast majority is very good to fluent in English + other languages, but I do occasionally meet people at my age with rudimentary English skills.

[@jeanettechosang3849]

Even when we speak English you came to our country so the first thing is to learn the language you life in and that’s Germain … or then go home back to US when I lived in UK first I did I learned English … my daughter in law she comes from Poland after 15 years her she speaks absolutely great Germain …

[@avi.chan23]

I have a quite internantional circle of friends, we speak english most of the time and I consider that normal. We learn english starting from the 3rd grade on, so most Germans should totally be fluent in English....

[@charlyquinn]

Even if you have a teaching degree. It is usually in two subjects at the most. So how are you supposed to teach it all? Plus, homeschooling is very influencial on children and deprives the child of interactions with other children. To learn social skills is even more important than anything else. Just ask the kids who had to stay home during covid and how they deal with increased social anxiety.

[@SatieSatie]

The scariest part for me is that the children are COMPLETELY under their parent's control. The kids don't have a teacher to talk to when they're being abused at home.

[@tosa2522]

When you said “it's their children”, I got the impression that you were talking about possessions like cars or televisions. The responsibility you have for a thing is far less demanding than for another person. A good upbringing in childhood ensures that the child can lead a good life later on. How are parents supposed to provide a comprehensive education in science, languages, history and geography if even trained teachers cannot cover all these areas of knowledge?

[@nebelland8355]

So she is in Düsseldorf, has her child in a Kindergarten where parents discuss a weekly sweet breakfast, knows a lot of Eco-mums and thinks a lot of parents use their parental leave for vacations: I can tell you, without knowing her, that she doesn’t live in a part of Düsseldorf with less well off people. 😂

[@Anna-zi7sx]

I don’t care if you have a teaching degree (I have a teaching degree) homeschooling should Not. Be. Allowed.

[@ebbhead20]

Works best for some kids but ok... You seem to know what's best here as well...

[@k.schmidt2740]

Teacher here: I think you are right. Homeschooling is not good for kids. The least you can do is put them in a confessional or private school, if you don't like the public schools. Kids need kids. In any case: Get involved in the life of your kid's school. Then you have the best of both worlds.

[@prekatori]

@@ebbhead20 If the kid has problems with big groups or benefits from more personal atttention it's possible that they get a "caretaker"/"personal teacher" that accompanies them in school or go to a specialty school

[@Anna-zi7sx]

@@ebbhead20 what would be the reasons for a child to be homeschooled then?

[@ebbhead20]

@@prekatori my ex from texas couldn't have people around her. She didn't like school as it was too loud and immature in class she said. But her parents didnt work on making her ready for adult life so she had a lot of problems. She was scared of everything, she was terrified of mascots like they had at sports. And she couldn't go shopping when hungry when home alone, her mum left for work and there's nothing to eat she would say, so i go order something but she cant talk on the phone.. same when not going to work because of sickness. She had to have her mum call her job and tell them her daughter wasn't coming in.. this was all when she was 17. So that stuff was just left as is and never handled. Tried to talk to her mum about it but she claimed they didnt have any problems. And yes she was the same, it all came from her at the end of the day.. very different way of taking care of your kids compared to Scandinavia. So not much i could do there. You couldn't work with them.

[@blackmounthare]

In Germany we have a concept called "Waldkindergarten". This would translate as "Forest preschool" for Americans. It's a kind of preschool where the children are outside in the forest, no matter the weather. The only exceptions are storms, when it can get very dangerous. They are not as common as normal preschools, but I believe every little town has at least one of those "facilities" somewhere. I worked at one of those for a year, as well as in normal preschools. And I have to say: The children in the Waldkindergarten seemed to be so much more advanced in almost every part of their development. The only notable exception being more fragile forms of art like drawing. They loved to carve wood with knives and everything, but it was very rare that you would see any of those kids draw anything. If I find a good video about the concept of the Waldkindergarten I will suggest it to you. If not, I could see myself recording a video myself talking about this concept.

[@annemarie7682]

We have the forest kindergarten in Denmark to , in a town called Skive , the video is in YT

[@tinkakol]

We have the same in the Czech Republic

[@k.schmidt2740]

Ryan, get a toddler's WALKING BIKE for you one-year-old. They learn how to balance and are soon racing around on this bike without pedals. When they want a "real" bike with pedals, balance is not an issue and they ride off - no training wheel terror involved. My grandchildren all learned to on a toddler-size walking bike (literally the same bike for all 4). They are the greatest invention since sliced bread.

[@katharina456]

Agree! Not sure about the proper English term, I‘ve seen it called a balance bike, too - however, these are amazing and you see all the kids whizzing about. Both my kids loved their balance bikes and when it was time to switch to a regular bicycle they learned it within a few tries, no training wheels necessary. I’m not sure they’re as big in the US as they are here but they were a game changer when they came out a few decades ago.

[@marjanpel1563]

US Americans and cycling? LOL

[@kjellg6532]

Balance bike. My grandson handled his being 19 months. At 2,5 years he advanced to a pedal bike in less than one hour. He also had a pedal tractor teaching him to steer a car, reverse, backing with trailer and strengthen his legs to pedal. Balance bikes are wonderful. They are also used to teach adults. Simplu detach the pedals for some days or weeks. (Remember to ‘back off. I.e. the pedal on the left havre inverted threads. Turn in direction aft on either side to get the pedals off). Balance bike: look up von Dreis, inventor of the bicycle, reborn as a balance bike.

[@ayoutubechannelhasnoname6018]

Food topic: just because you have eaten unhealthy and turned out great (mostly because decades ago people didn't know better) doesnt mean your kids need to be eating unhealthy. Same goes for basically every "when I was young we did/eat/thought..." topics. We can do better because we have more information. You decide.

[@avi.chan23]

couldn´t agree more. This "but we did it and it didn´t harm us" argument is like the most stupid thing for me... yes, I got spanked by my parents and it didn´t kill me... doesn´t make abusing another person right in any way, especially not a child that basically totally depends on you... punishing it with emotional or physical abuse has nothing to do with parenting and a lot to do with using your power over a helpless being... My parents did a lot of things wrong, doesn´t mean I have to repeat their faults. I can make it better with my own kids.

[@DMSG1981]

@2:49 I'm already triggered! So she's a teacher. Whoops-di-doo. So, which two subjects can she teach? What about all the other subjects? Is she now, e.g., an expert on German history all of a sudden? What about civic education? What about other political views? You know who wants to homeschool their children? People in sects and cults. To isolate them from general society and indoctrinate them with their garbage beliefs. Also, children learn so many non-subject-y skills interacting with other children of their age. In order to guarantee these things, we need compulsory school attendance. EDIT: And by the way, the fact that she doesn't realise all these points, do not give me confidence that she's a very good teacher either! EDIT2: What about child abuse? How is anybody supposed to detect it, if children can legally be isolated from society? Her standpoint is just wrong when you think about it for a couple seconds. I'm sorry I can't continue watching, but her stupidity triggers me so hard...

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

I mean - there might be other reasons to homeachool (medical or psychological) but even than it's mostly not only a fight with schools but when it is dome it's more online schooling. Like a Laptop in the class with a Zoom Connection for example

[@shanwyn]

"You know who wants to homeschool their children? People in sects and cults" In other word: Americans

[@jennyh4025]

Öko-parents are (not quite) crunchy. On homeschooling, a friend of mine is a primary school teacher and she wouldn’t want to homeschool her children. And parents in Germany often try to be strict when it comestibles to things that might have a bad influence on the development of their children. But running around outdoors on the playground, that’s the best way for them to develop proper body control and learn their limits.

[@Helge_Torp]

Only time my 2 year old watches tv is when he is sick. It's a HUGE difference in his temper when he has been watching tv or not. So much easier and happier without tv. Not any tantrums, but when he has watched tv he is a little monster 😅

[@cucublueberry8078]

Only time my kids (6 and 9) watch more than an hour TV during the day is when they're sick, or when I'M sick 😅

[@viomouse]

My 4 year old only watches TV like once or twice a week and then only for 12 minutes or sth. unless he's sick, then it's a little more. He usually isn't even interested into watching something.

[@DieToni206]

The TV thing is mostly about children learning to be able to keep themself busy and play alone instead of always watching TV when they get bored.

[@klarasee806]

In Germany we say "Die Dosis macht das Gift": It depends on the dose whether something is toxic/harmful or not. I believe that any extreme can harm children: too much TV, computers, sugar, toys, germs, etc. just as much as too little of it. But to say that it didn't harm me as a child reminds me a lot of parents who beat their children and think it's OK because they were beaten as children too. We don't have to repeat every mistake our parents made. We can make better choices.

[@cnikkor]

Agree to your point. But at the same time, I think parents use different media options wrong. Music, Books, TV shows and videogames are not supposed to be explore by a kid on it's own, they are the same as anything else in the world. The parent should be there and experience them together with their child and talk about it, answering questions about the things shown all the stuff we already do (or should do) at playgrounds or "normal" play. People tend to use the media options to "get rid" of their child in order to do "adult" stuff, which in my opinion is the wrong approach to media in the first place. There is no excuse to "park" your child in front of a display to make diner, if you really wanted you could integrate your kids into the diner making process somehow, maybe not cutting themselves with a knife but there is always a way if you and your kid really wanted.

[@klarasee806]

@@cnikkorGenerally I agree, but on the other hand: That‘s a great example why parenting in Germany can be intimidating at times I think. Parents are not perfekt and they don‘t need to be perfect. If you come home from a long day at work and „park“ your child for 30 minutes in front of the TV because you need a few minutes for yourself, it‘s understandable in my eyes. I myself rarely ever did that, because my kids usually found something they could play with, but parenting is hard and there is already enough pressure on parents. Let‘s support each other instead of setting the bars unnecessarily high. We are all only humans, and our kids need humans as parents, not machines.

[@cnikkor]

@@klarasee806 I know it's too easy not to do, but it is still the wrong approach in my opinion. At the same time we are complaining about the negatives of media while not teaching them how media should be used to everyone's benefit in the first place.

[@nichfra]

I'm pretty sure we would disagree on what a suitable parent for homeschooling is because i think that's basically impossible. I've got a masters of education as well as my wife and we agree that we would not be able to give our children a full education by ourselves.

[@lhuras.]

If you want to teach your kid how to drive a bike, you should consider to get him a balance bike to start with.

[@cnikkor]

My son got one and he is loving it, I can't even keep up with him anymore. I will avoid training wheels on his first bike tho. I learned cycling in 2 days without them and I think it does more harm them good, there is something they must realize about driving a bike and once they do they will never forget, so training wheels don't push them in the right direction in my opinion. Maybe it the fact that you have to drive faster in order to balance on 2 wheels, it seems counter intuitive but that's how the physics behind it unfolds.

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

​@@cnikkor my daughter learned without training wheels too. Took some weeks though because of being a bit scared of falling but we drove next to a patch of gras in small sections. (Like 10 meters First) And at the very beginning i held the hand grips with her.

[@christinabinner3237]

The profession of teacher is highly recognized in Germany. The salary is very good. Schools are free in Germany. Everyone in Germany has the opportunity to graduate from school and go to university, regardless of their social class. In the past, especially in rural areas, children worked as laborers for their parents in the fields. Compulsory schooling was introduced to ensure that children did not miss out on their education.

[@klarasee806]

I think it's important to clarify what "in the past" means: we are talking about the 18th/19th century and earlier here.

[@CabinFever52]

I spent much of the spring watching issues surrounding Ruby Franke, who was homeschooling her children in Utah, and using them for subjects on her youtube channel. She's in prison now for treating her kids like property. It looks like they were being used often to clean homes for people. Oh, and that doesn't even include the torture.

[@klarasee806]

@@CabinFever52No wonder. If I wanted to abuse my children, the first thing I would do: homeschool them. Homeschooling is perfect for everyone who has something to hide.

[@AntjeKrause-pt4cc]

@@klarasee806 well actually even in the 20th century children had to help in the fields and on farms, but before and after school. My grandfather and his siblings had to help, so had their class mates. But since they all had to go to school he then had the opportunity to go to university and actually became an engeneer for farming machines. His siblings went into banking and trading. With home schooling he probably would have stayed a farmer, since he was the oldest son.

[@janosnagy3096]

Nothing is "free".

[@blondkatze3547]

I think that`s very nice about German Kindergartens and schools when there were parties , the whole family was invited including grandma and grandpa. When my son was still little and went to Kindergarten an afternoon for coffee and cake and playing together was offered for the grandparents. My father was really excited that he was served freshly baked cake there and that he could play there with his grandson.😊💞

[@helenewei4232]

You are so easy to watch and to listen to your thoughts and feelings, I am learning about the US. While you are learning about Germany. And the homeschooling thing is because the children have rights to socialise and to not to be indoctrinated by religious or political parents. And that abuse is more easily spotted

[@sabinebecker5079]

I live in Germany and I never heard of parents going on holidays during their parental leave. Duesseldorf is a very rich town so there may be some rich people who can afford that. Kindergarten from 3 to 6 years is free you just pay for the meals. In some other big towns it is the same. In the rest of Germany it varies up to 500 Euros a month excluding meals and not all offer 45 hours child care. A good thing is that we get 250 Euros Kindergeld every month for each child until he or she is 18 (if still in school or training till 25 years). If your child gets ill you get 30 days paid leave if you have to stay home and take care for the child. Not to mention the better health care. There are a lot of socially disadvantaged parents in Germany who cannot afford or don't care about healthy upbringing of their children. It always depends where you live . It is like comparing rich and poor areas in the states.

[@r456mjon]

Exactly!!!

[@Roberternst72]

4:12 fun fact: your kids aren’t your property, and they have their own, personal, individual right to school education by professional teachers in a public institution (= a school).

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

definition wise in english its more duty than right since a kid cannot choose to use this right but is obliged to do so. it does not choose but the state chooses for the kid.

[@alinac5512]

Exactly. A child's right to certain things, like education supercedes the parents right to make decisions. And since children are unable to advocate for themselves it is absolutely crucial that society and the law step in and make sure every kid gets the education they deserve.

[@KeesBoons]

Parents don't own their children, but that seems to be something incomprehensible in the US. Also, how can a parent teach every subject that should be in a decent curriculum. It's not only about educational skills, but also about knowledge of the subjects.

[@Skyl3t0n]

The kid is a person as well and it has a rights. Rights to basic education and socialization etc. A parent can't just take that away. The same way that a parent can't just kill its own child. A little extreme but same principle

[@TheBattlefieldSource]

This woman is very self-centered. Like, “I did such and such when I was young and look at me, it's all good.” Yeah, that's not true for everyone.

[@klarasee806]

Yes, it is very reminiscent of "I was beaten myself and it didn't hurt me"

[@caccioman]

Chill

[@iodiimelita7999]

​@@cacciomanI was shocked about her too, it was very strange

[@AnniePetit]

Yeah, her being like "I watched a lot of tv as a kid, but now I don't" What??? No one bats an eye over how much tv you watch as an adult. That's not the problem. If you watch a lot of tv as a kid you miss out on a lot of other activities you can do instead of tv. Like playing with other kids (= socializing), getting into a hobby (= building up skills + creativity) and just trying out tons of new things (= helps being open minded and not too scared of the world). I too watched a lot of tv as a kid (for German standards, probably not for US standards) because sometimes I got neglected and in return I neglected homework or sometimes didn't learn for tests and such. That bit me in the butt and I got real bad in some subjects. So much that I quit other hobbies instead of watching tv and I still regret that.

[@juliaspoonie3627]

I hate to agree but she’s kinda the stereotypical US citizen only that she’s not obese.

[@2Mark50]

Home schooling is not illegal because the parents probably lack professional knowledge, but because school is largely about the socialization of the child. Acting in groups, solving problems together and resolving conflicts, etc

[@rogerk6180]

This goes to a much bigger cultural difference between europe and the usa. The general goal of european culture is to create a great society. The goal of american culture is to become a person that rises above everyone else.

[@AnnetteLudke-je5ll]

...and to make a lot of money!!!!

[@hannajung7512]

it goes actually further back. It stems from a time were parents would for example not send their daughters to school. Or only the oldest son, while the others were made to work in the family business or in other odd jobs. This law originates with parents not wanting ANY education for children they thought should just work for their food. We later kept this law and even enshrined it in our constitution, to ensure at least SOME equality of the sexes, ensure children of poor people are not exploited for their labour AND to prevent the remaining Nazis to build isolated communities in which they can raise an army of little indoctrinated soldiers. Additionally the law was developed to ensure that the children of minorities get an education, too. As in earlier times schools were often not state funded but church funded and those did bot allow non-church members to send their chidren. A well established state school system was suppossed to fix that problem, too.

[@hannajung7512]

​@@rogerk6180no, the goal of US culture is to create a mass of people uneducated enough to be exploited for their labour, while they also think they rise above everyone else. And human instincts like greed and distrust are used to accomplish that. Because what we call "creating a great society" actually means "creating the basis for every person to be able to be part of it and make the most of their potential, allowing as many as possible to rise high above." We do fall short from our own ideals many times, mostly because we simply cannot agree in n how to do it best, but it still is our ideal, for most parts.

[@englyn1]

And getting bullied. You are forgetting about this. In my experience going to elementary school mainly consists of getting bullied. It's great that children are entitled to getting bullied.

[@j4eva1]

I saw a mother in a video say that todays children shows are way more stimulating than the ones she used to watch. her kid(s) don't wanna stop watching todays shows and throw tantrums when the tv is turned of, but when she puts on a show from her childhood they can stop easily after one episode and go play something else. and it's not like they don't particularly like the old shows, they just don't get overstimulated by them.

[@hannajung7512]

nah, the older shows are just really boring 😂 Jokes aside: since the very first media for children people claim that this new thing is over stimulating children and causes them to throw tantrums. It is actually funny to read all these comments through the centuries and then think "oh, they are complaining about theater shows for lower income people", "that one is complaining about romance novels", "this one here thinks 50's TV was really way too much stimulation for children's brains" and so on. When the reality is: children have underdeveloped impulse controlle, when you catch them of guard that they are suppossed to stop doing a thing that is fun for them they will very likely throw a tantrum. There are strategies to allow a child to not be over whelmed with frustration so they can process the end of one activity and the start of another a lot better.

[@snafusmurf7350]

German dad here - my daughter grew up w/o TV, i threw it away in 2004… never missed it.

[@winterlinde5395]

They do chose wooden toys because of the toxicity of the plastic toys!

[@mssony711]

Du meinst das Plastikspielzeug

[@winterlinde5395]

@@mssony711 Danke. Ich habe das mal umformuliert 👍🏻

[@michamcv.1846]

👍especially the chemicals made to weaking the materials and to make them elastic arent that stable so they get washed out over time

[@cnikkor]

I like wooden toys a lot, and whenever I have a choice I will choose the wooden one over anything else, also they can be repaired more easily or repainted. On the other hand, wooden toys aren't suitable for every environment like water or even sand, so for outdoor toys I usually go with plastic anyway. I don't need a wooden bucket to build sandcastles with or a carved wooden shovel.

[@Helge_Torp]

Daycare in Norway is normally from 7am until 5pm, but it's flexible. The cost right now is 300$ a month including food (3 meals a day), but from August it's reduced to 200$ a month. You get sibling discounts, I think that is 50% if it's the same kindergarden.

[@TimoLaine-pv5ph]

In Finland the cost depends on the family income and municipality but variation is small. Here full time daycare ( > 160h / month) cost cap is a bit shy of 300€ and for low income families it's free. Kindergartens are generally open from 6:30 to 17:00, but there are a couple which close 1-2h later and a couple are open 24/7.

[@mariabjork15]

It’s the same in Iceland, but it’s from 7:30-17 and the prices are different and it depends on where you live in the country.

[@dorisschneider-coutandin9965]

Teachers and staff in German/European Kitas (Daycare) do have worker's rights like in every other job here, too. They work certain hours, they have off-time, and all. They are not employed to keep your kids in daycare just to accommodate the parent's workschedule. Kita has certain hours they are open, and that usually might be from 7 am to 4 or 4.30 pm. Full daycare with lunch and all is expensive here, too. Many opt for half days, meaning they will pick up the child around lunchtime. Some have 3/4 daycare, meaning the child will have lunch and probably a nap as well and will get picked up between 2 and 3 pm. Only a few, few, few, private facilities that are very expensive will offer different hours of daycare, sometimes until 8 pm, or in very rare cases for parents working nightshifts. But as German employees normally have a very regular workschedule of 8 hours (sometimes even less) a day, and excessive overtime is not really a thing (at least not when you have children), all should be fine with Kita. I work in a Kita. When the parents show up late (more than five minutes) that issue will be discussed between the teacher and the parent. I have also seen it that we needed to phone the parents to remind them they are way too late for picking up their child. We also eat lunch from real porcellain plates, and eat with real (metal) cutlery. No plastic, only the cups taken out to the playarea are plastic ones. At the lunch table, the kids will drink (of course only water) from glassware. And guess what - rarely a plate or a glass gets broken. Our weekly lunch menu will serve the kids twice a week meat dishes, once a week fish, and twice a week vegetarian dishes.

[@aubergine1236]

In Berlin ist die Kita kostenlos, man muß nur für das Mittagessen bezahlen

[@IZaubermausI]

Same in Lower Saxony!

[@RaddiCo2023]

@@aubergine1236 Bezahlt durch den Länderfinanzausgleich der anderen Bundesländer, die durch diese Abgaben keine kostenlose Kita anbieten können.

[@guuzila]

been watching you for a while, and its nice to see your channel growth really picking up, gratz on 100k keep going

[@juliaspoonie3627]

COVID showed perfectly why homeschooling is NOT good! Our kids were homeschooled for 2 years because of my rare autoimmune disorder and despite all efforts (including tutoring, psychological counseling etc.), especially our youngest daughter, struggled afterwards. Every teacher and psychologist will tell you that the socializing part is so immensely important. Parents have a very different relationship with their kids than teachers and friends. When parents become the only human interaction for kids during school day to day life it’s not good for the kids. They NEED the interactions with different personalities in kids and adults. There are two good books I can recommend to everyone by social psychologist Dr. Johnathan Haidt called „The coddling of the American mind“ and his newest book „The anxious generation“. Studies show that society is overprotecting children in real life and underprotecting them online. Social psychology isn’t my specialty but he‘s one of the leading experts!

[@TallisKeeton]

I was used to eating fruits from trees in my grandparents orchard but when some year ago my cousin visited us with her kids - they were from Ireland - those kids looked as if they were disgusted about eating natural fruits from trees - trees planted by their great-grandma. My cousin - their mother was like, come on kids thats real, healthy fruits from granny's garden :) but they had not pick even one berry. Me and my cousin went around from cherries to apples, to berries and they just stood there nonplussed. It was so sad to watch :(

[@vulkandrache1928]

As much as 25 years ago i had situations in which people (young adult age) didnt know that the edible sausage casing is made from animal intestines. One teacher i talked to took his entire class on a trip to a farm because of how shocked he was that several kids didnt know where eggs come from. In both cases the result of being shown reality was disbelieve and disgust.

[@TallisKeeton]

@@vulkandrache1928 Its both funny and sad :( So, what those kids thought about the origins of eggs? I would like to ask them what was their suppose - from where the eggs come from? :) what would be their answer :)

[@vulkandrache1928]

@@TallisKeeton "The supermarktet!" Thats why the teacher was so shocked.

[@ondrejvasak1054]

Kids are not their parent's property, they are human beings. They deserve to have rights and be protected from bad parents.

[@Yotanido]

"Two years, two wheels" What a motto :D Get your son a little balance bike, they are amazing. They handle like an actual bicycle, just without the pedals. Training wheels have the issue of handling very different. If you lean into a corner with training wheels, you are more likely to flip over, so you learn not to do that... but that is exactly what you need to do on a bicycle.

[@einwitzigenname585]

Balance skills for lifetime! Nothing train them better as a Laufrad.

[@dnocturn84]

In East Germany Kindergarten was designed to take care of your child for much longer hours, than in the West. My mom would drop me off at 6:30 am and pick me up at 4:30 pm again. So there was no need to adjust your job hours. But to be fair, many children were picked up after lunch (by grandparents or so), which became the norm here as well. You would basically be the sad kid, that had to stay until the very end, while all others were already back at home. So my grandma picked me up after lunch as well and I rarely stayed full time.

[@Philemaphobia]

These Kindergartens existed in the west too, I was the sad kid XD

[@cnikkor]

If you consider the 9 to 5 working culture in the US, it makes sense that they drop of their kids later and pick them up later as we do.. Also (at least in my son's kindergarden) you can choose between different daycare plans ranging from 6.5 up to 9hrs per day.

[@Struppelstrumpf]

Well, here in Germany it's just like that, a student is taught something by what feels like 100 different teachers. But that's because from the first grade onwards there are specialist teachers who have studied a subject and specialised in it. So the education in school is much more comprehensive. If someone here said they would like to teach their child at home, they would be looked at really strangely. After all, socialisation, friendship etc. are an important part of life. Can we please talk about the fact that we eat raw pork mince with onions and you don't?

[@lizgold3416]

Literally eating this while i read your comment xD Mettbrötchen

[@dorisschneider-coutandin9965]

It's also that in German schools the students/pupils change rooms for a different subject, meaning they take a short break and go to a different classroom, whereas in the USA (Canada perhaps as well) the teachers come into the designated classroom to teach. Students won't get up and walk in between different classes/subjects there. Unless it's sports or nature science (lab work). For all else they stay put in the same room.

[@sebsch1858]

⁠​⁠@@dorisschneider-coutandin9965 where‘s that? Can‘t remember to ever having changed a class room for a different subject except for sports or natural science

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

I really don't see a ton of people traveling the world on parental leave.

[@nasrin2633]

I realised when my daughter doesn't watch TV, she is much more balanced and creative. So it's good for her not to watch TV. That's why we have the rules that she can't watch TV during the week, but on the weekend she can. This works very well for our family.

[@wernerclarssen2939]

Dont teach your children at home, even if youre allowed to! We have a spelling in germany: "Takes 2 people to make a child - but it takes a hole village to raise it"

[@IZaubermausI]

„A WHOLE village…“ 😂

[@lpcaiser]

A long time ago, a comment on reddit put it very succinctly: You can only have two motivations to homeschool your children: either you think you can provide education for your children that is of higher quality than the public system, or you disagree with the syllabus and want to monitor, control, and censor facts. In short: either you're an academic with high standards, or - and surprise surprise, this was the movement that most fervently fought for homeschooling in the US - you are a religious fundamentalist. If you are the former, you are hardly infringed by mandatory public education as you can still teach your kids outside of school. Only in the afternoon or on weekends, admittedly - but being the academic that you deem yourself to be, you must be an awesome teacher, and surely you're able to make it an über-entertaining experience for your kids any time. But also, it takes away an incentive for you to engage in public and political debate about the quality of public education that is necessary to raise it for everyone. If public education is undermined, if education was again left to parents only, it would effectively be a redarwinization and desolidarization of society, making education (even more) a matter of hereditary fortune and turning the public system into a lowest-quality-but-affordable choice for kids of parents who lack education themselves. And if you're a religious fundamentalist... well, obviously I couldn't possibly have any interest in making it easier for you to indoctrinate your children. And we haven't even touched upon aspects of socialization and interaction with peers, since school serves more functions than teaching a syllabus.

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

Third reason - your kid needs it for medical or psychological reason. Valid want to homeschool but the better (and in Germany only) option is Online school

[@gabibavaria]

In a municipal kindergarten in Bavaria, the fees are between 140 and 190 euros per month, depending on the number of hours. Private kindergartens usually cost considerably more.

[@cnikkor]

sounds about right, in my case I have to pay for lunch/breakfast/... as well which is between 100-150€, so in total you get away with ~300 bucks a month I guess.

[@merandareast2552]

There are also subsidies for low income families. The Jugendamt may pay part, or all, of the fees. I’ve known people who only paid €10 a month.

[@mirjamh4143]

I pay about 110€ for 7h/5days. Another 100€ is payed by the municipality.

[@anjahorn]

In Germany it is not only about the degerees for schooling- oc no teacher is able to teach every subject from math to french in a high standart - but the main point is we believe school is much more than just learning school stuff, it is learning to be able to come along in groups you did not choose to be in, the ability to listen what teachers you do not like tell you. To work in groups and also to get independence from your parents. Here is an old quote: it needs a village to rise a child properly.

[@nfreye8828]

Regarding cooking dinner with a child and not having them watch TV: definitely kitchen chores are a challenge when you have a child but funny enough the TV never even crossed my mind as a solution. My child also never asks to watch TV. If it's turned on, it's interesting but as long as it's off, she does not care. She wants to play. If I or my hubbie cook dinner, she just brings her toys to the kitchen and plays there (away from the stove ofc). Sometimes she wants to pretend to be cooking, so she gets a little bowl and spoon and can play with that. It's challenging but it works. 😅

[@r456mjon]

Thanks for showing that it is possible.

[@avery_215]

hey, German preschool/kindergarten teacher here. the wooden toy trend actually stems from principles of “Reformpädagogik”/from a woman called Maria Montessori who introduced learning toys made of mostly wood and other natural materials because it is believed that they have many benefits for cognitive development , fine motor development and problem solving in young children

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

Even while sadly later came out that she had some Bad ideas and connections at least her theories and pedagogy were right

[@laurentpaumier3103]

About health, it's at the age of fifty you begin to feel the difference and maybe have pre-diabetes.

[@Attirbful]

If you have a teaching degree, it is usually for the very basics in grades 1-4, and I believe many people may be suitable to teach those. HOWEVER, once you hit secondary school, teachers are specialized on one, two or possibly three subjects that they have studied (and usually they are some related subjects such as maths and physics, two languages or the like and often their core subjects (1 or 2) are combined with something less challenging such combined with something such as ethics/religion or PEd). However, I don‘t know a single teacher who can teach all the subjects across the board or who has done his own studies or holds an actual degree in the fields of maths, Latin, English, Geography, Biology, Ethics, Sports and what not…. I would want my children to be taught by experts in the fields, not by someone wo has a basic grasp of education and reads up the subject matter one week ahead of teaching it to my child (which is what I would have to do and I have a doctorate in English literature, the one subject I feel confident in teaching at high school level)…

[@eddavanleemputten9232]

In a lot of European countries, the general attitude towards home schooling is that every child has a right to a certain minimum standard of education. That includes socialisation, exposure to others, medical checkups, etc. Schools are closely monitored. The kids are closely followed up on. In most countries that makes enrolling your child in a public or private school from the age of six years old onwards mandatory, some times earlier. Parents are heavily encouraged to enrol their kids in preschool which often starts around age 2.5. The only exceptions pretty much are kids that have health issues keeping them out of school and even then, you’ll need the paperwork to back it up and the system will offer countless solutions to keep them learning, even going so far as to offer a camera setup in the classroom to ensure the child retains some connection to his/her classmates and teachers. For adolescents or for youngsters who are 18 but haven’t gotten their GED, there is still the option to obtain their diploma, including any courses needed for college or university. For any type of homescholing, you need to go through very stringent channels. I’m talking about child athletes, actors, etc. Still, a minimum of classroom hours per year will often be demanded.

[@katharinahartmann5656]

In our City the Kindergarten (3-6y) is free. Ours was open from 7:30 to 17:30/5:30. For the Krippe (1-3y) you have to pay around 500€ a month. Friends of mine spent 1 month traveling in south Afrika during their parental leave 😅

[@Daremotominna]

I am a French mum. I have 2 kids. They watch TV 1-2 times a week, I am the one cooking so I choose what they eat at home (but it's 100% OK for them not to finish their plate and they will still get desert), I choose their clothes in the morning (but I am open to weather appropriate suggestion for them). Other than that, They are free to do whatever in the park or at home about 2hs a day (or more) on school days as long as it's not hurting anyone. It's OK if they make a mess, we can tidy and wash later, we often involve them in choosing what we do on the weekends, they choose their extra curricular activities, we don't force them to do something (except homework, but we would convince them not brutally coerce them).... I don't think this we are strict at all ! It's just what we consider basic structure in education, and pretty standard in our social circle.

[@minecraftspieler-bq9io]

4:40 Exists in every big city in Germany. In Frankfurt where I live most of them are living in the Nordend. All these parents are very rich, have a “Lastenfahrad” and vote the greens. In Frankfurt they’re just called “Nordendeltern”

[@iodiimelita7999]

Parents should be everywhere like this

[@alexanderantoninsommerkamp4714]

On the topic of home schooling: 1. I believe that a parent can not be a suitable teacher as they would have to have a teaching degree in every relevant school subject as well as lab equipment for sciences classes, a gym with equipment for sport classes, etc. 2. School is also about socializing, learning to work together in teams, getting feedback from a diverse group of people with different perspectives, debating topics with people who have different opinions, playing team sports, etc. It is simply not possible to realize in a home setting

[@nebelland8355]

She has a FOUR years old child and a three months old child. She talks about kindergarten children. And she thinks DAILY 30 Minutes TV or Computer (what do children have to do at a computer? They can’t even read) is heavily restricted? There is no reason why a child in that age has to watch daily TV at all. 🤷‍♀️

[@korneliusbendig7901]

The Toy thing isn’t much about the environment, it’s mostly about the childrens health. It’s about prevention of plasticparticles transfer to the body, by skin and by taking stuff into the mouth. Toys are under critical control and tests, many types of plastic are banned completely, also like the paint and everything that gets to contact the skin. There is a TÜV for Toys and even + especially for playgrounds! Also these might be more to protect people from getting sued in case of an accident..

[@madrooky1398]

"its their children" Children are no property, they are humans. And as such they have fundamental rights too, and they can't advocate for them for themselves so you can't leave it to parents alone.

[@maireweber]

Laws exist to protect the weak from the strong, i.e. the kids from the adults. Children's rights beat parents' rights.

[@thanquolrattenherz9665]

it only becomes disturbing if the strongest aka the state is even worse to the kids than their parents ever would have. for example if the politicans think that kentlers idea about raising childreen with social issues are the best for the kid making it a programm.

[@fake6294]

When the kid of a coworker of me got sick, and he needed to stay home with his kid, to fulfill his parental duty, our boss wanted him to come to work, and asked him if his wife could stay home with the kid. His wife stayed home for the kids much more than him. What an ass.

[@hannajung7512]

yeah, we still have some way to go there. At least the law no creates incentives for fathers to stay at home sometimes, too. It will take a few more years though until the bosses have arrived mentally in this reality.

[@englyn1]

Why? That's what's expected, right? Everybody need to do his duty: The husband at work, the wife at home. It's just how it should be.

[@IZaubermausI]

@englyn1 So what happens if both parents work??? Why isn’t a father able to take care of his own child??? 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@kuroneko5013]

Besides we only have a limited amount of kid's sick days here. If the mother already had their, what was it? Ten days?, for their child, the other parent has to jump in or they have to get a sick day for themselves or vacation.

[@PotatoMatch]

i feel the question should be: why do you (general speaking: parents) feel entitled to homeschool your child even though it's pure gambling (are you a good teacher or not so much). isn't it the godgiven right of every child to get a good education? and who are you to decide an strip them from this?

[@tomfeyl2946]

All employees in Germany have 6 weeks of paid sick leave and most Germans have 30 days paid vacation when working a 5 day week. Daily working hours are usually capped at 10 or under special circumstances at 12 hours. Parents can also have up to 15 days per child of children sick leave with 60% salary. Parental leave in Germany by the way is pretty simple. 14 months if both parents take it. You don’t have to take right after birth. You can split it and can take it within the first 8 years. Mothers by the way always get mother protection leave for 6 weeks before and 8 weeks after birth, with full pay of course. Ah and if you work in an environment where you would endanger the unborn child you’re prohibited from working and get pregnancy leave with full pay. And if you had a permanent employment before that, they have to give you back your old job or an adequate position.

[@anniekschoonderbeek8696]

You look at the parents point of view with home teaching. We like to think about the rights kids have. They are not a property but independent people who have a right to good education.

[@IIIAnchani]

home schooling isn't illegal in Germany. It's just so heavily regulated that it's quite unfeasible. Education needs to be two things in my opinion. 1. free and 2. standardized at a high level. Added benefit is socializing with other kids.

[@cucublueberry8078]

Really, really unfeasible. I've seen a documentary about a boy that got onto an accident and was in a coma / vegetative state afterwards. Doctors couldn't even say if he had any perception of his surroundings. Yet, his parents still had to cart him to school every day. In his wheelchair, with his oxygen and feeding tube....

[@IIIAnchani]

@@cucublueberry8078 that sounds like a ton of bogus. If you're in a coma, usually you're kept under close medical supervision in Germany. And even if they were keeping him at home, in his state he's incapable of learning, thus a medical excuse would be given. You watched a load of crap there, sadly.

[@merandareast2552]

@@cucublueberry8078 please provide a link because there is no way that story is true. Children who are in hospital, or even at home with injuries or illnesses or are otherwise unable to attend school safely or learn are not expected to attend. There is a medical exemption and it’s not difficult to get. If the child cannot physically attend school but can learn then teachers go to the hospital or even to the child’s home to teach them.

[@cucublueberry8078]

@@merandareast2552 I have already provided a link. See above...

[@katharina5484]

Wooden toys are not only more eco friendly. They are more safe because they dont tend to have chemicals in them. They also don’t have screens, buttons or electronic features on them or make noises which means they don’t cause sensory overload and they don’t “instruct” a kid what to do with them, therefore encouraging more creative play through imagination, critical thinking, motor skills etc. It’s also said that wood has a calming effect.

[@venomous2058]

"When you try to cook dinner, that is the easiest way" ... wow. Isn't that a shame? My mother took me into the kitchen and showed me how she makes our food and I was allowed to help. Eating was also fun because I knew which path it took from the fridge to the pots/oven to our plate. Most children WANT to learn something. It's sad when their parents don't let them because it's too tiring for them. If you don't feel like dealing with your children and keeping them occupied in a sensible and meaningful way, you shouldn't have children.

[@FlowMama4207]

🫡 Amen🙏

[@maao]

I hate these kinds of comments. "Then you shouldnt have any children" I assume youre not a parent... of course children want to learn and help pretty much all the time. Which is great. But do you remember what you where like when you were a two year old? Sometimes it is just impossible to get anything done, seriously. Even if the child is "helping" in the kitchen. Sorry dude but you have no clue what its like

[@avi.chan23]

@@maao I have kids and I was a single mom a long time. I did exactly this: my kids helped me in the kitchen while preparing their food, the only times they watched TV at a young age was when I watched with them... was it hard? Of course! Did it take longer than it would if I made the food on my own? Yeah, sure. But it worked and it was totally worth it, because my sons learned all the important stuff in an early age, helping and doing chores was always something normal for them AND they always felt taken serious and respected by me, because I gave them the chance to learn, to fail and to do try again and do it right. I am sorry, if you feel like this is impossible for you and I hope, you get the help you need...

[@maao]

​@@avi.chan23bravo, so great that it worked out for you. Parents want the best for their children. Some feel more overwhelmed with things than others and if they can get some kind of help in any way, why not take it when it is really needed? My point was mostly to use the TV in difficult situations, not per se while cooking. My four year old makes her own breakfast and even makes it for her two year old sister. The big one insisted on doing everything by herself at an early age. I literally had no chance holding her back even if I wanted to. My point, kids have different tempers and so do parents cause we are all human. No shame to use a little TV

[@ruudcologne]

Our daughter (English mum, I'm German) didn't watch any TV for the first 3 to 4 years. They don't need it. After that we dosed it till she was around 10. ...and home-schoolin? Absolutely no! What a crap idea. I am SO glad that that's illegal in Germany.

[@philippk736]

What really annoys me are people that simply don't understand statistics at all and look at pretty much everything from their own point of view. "I did this when I was small and I turned out okay", "when I was young, I didn't do this, but I don't have any problems now", "I am a good mom" (without being seemingly open for being wrong on certain points?). The world does not revolve around you and what might have worked for you may statistically work much worse for somebody in general. Honestly, a few of the points she mentioned and ways she argues are good examples of why people are afraid of vaccines, mix up facts with opinions, don't understand the scientific method (not even in principle), think that doctor Google can cure them, vote for somebody like Trump, think that they are the centre of the universe, etc. And yes, I am German.

[@derNIone]

As a kid my parents didn't need a TV to entertain me. I had toys to entertain myself, played with my sister, listened to storys from a cassette. I was allowed to watch TV but I also liked playing with my cuddy animal, Playmobil, Lego, toy cars... . And I was able to play for hours alone with it just living in my own fantasy world.

[@FranziskaS6364]

Same here. Plus when I was a kid there was only linear TV, no video on demand. So we could not watch our favorite show anytime we wanted, or several episode back to back.

[@michamcv.1846]

wait 5 years till she complains how her neighbors child is allready learning physics and how to build an electric circle before going to Kindergarten xD

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

I kind of want to know her reaction about Kindergarten "sex ed" (Like the "how the body looks and what is a penis and what is a vagina" animations and the "while we don't discuss intercourse yet this is how a Embryo grows" )

[@Lillyrosechan]

when I was younger, so before the internet timestamp but not that old that we didn't have tv, we just played outside till well the sun kinda was setting depending on the season, most of the time the local park also had an hour, or you'd hear the church bell and listen to how many times it rang and you'd know the time, than we would just go inside for supper, after supper it was sesame street and most of the time straight to bed until you were like 10

[@tehweh6160]

To become a teacher in Germany you study education PLUS at least two subjects (Master is obliged). Normally you‘ll only teach these subjects then. So for example: you study education plus maths and history, so you‘ll become a math and history teacher, but you won’t become a chemistry or English teacher. Having this written: it doesn’t really matter whether you have a teaching degree or not, it‘s impossible to cover all school subjects. And yes, I know, elementary school teachers have to cover all basic subjects…😉

[@nothingspecial123Q]

I can understand that foreign parents feel intimmidated in Germany. Even me as a German mother thinks, that every parent here thinks that their way to raise a child is the one and only correct one and they are very judgy about others. And don't believe all you will be told... A lot of parents SAY that their children are not allowed to use computers, laptops, TV or whatever because it is seen as bad. But at their own homes..... We are not as strict as others because we both agree that computers are sth of everyday life and will be in the future. So it doesn't make sense to hide it from your children or forbid it as long as possible. Just let them grow up with it and try to find a good way not to overuse it.

[@cnikkor]

Their is only 1 thing maybe 2 I will you judge for as a parent: First as a parent are you smoking at a playground? Because that's a No-Go for me and second how does your child handles their waste? If your kid doesn't know how to use a bin and keep a playground clean and save for everyone, I will hate you for that and your kid and your whole family and existence.

[@klarasee806]

Your child is not your possession. It's not a thing that you own and therefore can do to it whatever you want to. There are very responsible parents who would be able to teach their children at home, but the great majority of parents are not. I would even go so far to say that even teachers are often not capable of teaching their children at home. But the most important ting is in my opinion: School is not only about teaching! School is also about being around other children/teenagers, dealing with problems that only occur within children and teenagers and finding your own solutions. School is also an island where you are largely removed from the influence of your parents. It is very important not only to have your parents as adult reference persons, but also teachers, for example. Especially if there are problems with your parents at home, you need a safe space outside of your home and a place where perhaps completely different rules apply than at home, and which can put everything into a different perspective. The lessons themselves are also a very important regulatory factor. For example, it is important to note that not everyone believes that the earth is only about 6,000 years old. Or: Maybe it is not necessarily a reason to be proud that your great-grandfather was awarded medals in the war. Even if you are a teacher and have learned to be objective, your own strong convictions always flow into your children's lessons - and there is no regulation from the outside when you are homeschooling them. At school, you can also notice changes in behavior that parents consider to be completely normal because they themselves have developed blind spots for them. Last but not least, when I look at which parents in the USA most often teach their children at home, they are often the very ones who consciously want to remove their children from the influence of the "normal world". If you give parents this power, in my opinion you are letting the children down. If homeschooling were allowed in our country, religious and political fringe groups would be the first to make use of it in large numbers. In other words, all groups that basically have a problem with our constitution and our system. In this way, they would have the chance to radicalize their children even more from the start than they already do. And the children would have no chance to escape and realize that there are "other truths" out there. I know a young homeless man who was raised by radical Nazis and then rejected by his father. This young man's life is most likely ruined forever. His entire support system (family, friends) has collapsed. Firstly, he hardly trusts other people because he has been told all his life that they are "the bad guys", and secondly, he has such different ideas, expectations, attitudes,... that others turn away from him very quickly, so that he is a loner even among the homeless. In my eyes, this shows two things: 1.) Compulsory schooling is not a panacea either, because radical parents often manage to make their children so afraid of the world outside their circle that they isolate themselves extremely from school right from the start. But 2.) Children who isolate themselves are at least discovered at school, and attentive teachers can, for example, contact the youth welfare office. It didn't work for the young man, possibly because of intimidation, but in many cases, timely intervention is possible. I worked for a while in an institution where we were able to help a lot of children to better manage or cope with the balancing act between their strictly religious Muslim parents and the comparatively liberal "world out there". In most cases, the contact between the children and us was established by the schools. I am convinced that this made a huge, positive difference for many of these children. The fact that homeschooling is prohibited in Germany is first and foremost about child protection. Children cannot yet protect themselves and therefore must not be 100% under the influence of their parents. Basically, all parents, no matter how "perfect" they may be, have some characteristics that are not good for their children. School provides a very important balance in this regard.

[@FrogeniusW.G.]

In many states the Kindergarten is free. But parents that pick up their kids at 2 or 3 don't just "go earlier". They have reduced hours (and pay obviously) then. In most families that's the mum, but many also split that up, like 3 days the mum, 2 days the dad or sth.

[@somersaultcurse]

3:50 But isn't it a fundamental right of children that they receive a good quality school education and have to deal with other children outside their family and (school-) situations, which in turn promotes social education? I really don't think even 50% of parents who are homeschooling their children are qualified to do so and/or can offer all possibilities a school can. That's why I feel sorry for their children and can understand why it's not legal in Germany. PS: Btw I think the same about the traffic education for drivers license. No wonder there are a lot of pretty bad drivers in the US :D

[@ProfTydrim]

Children have the right to a proper education. They also have the right to not be victim of physical abuse, which is why hitting your child is illegal also. Parents don't have the authority to disrespect the rights of the child. Children are not objects you can own.

[@BlackXIV]

There have been 12 cats, 4 aliens, 2 FBI agents and the ghost of Elvis behind you... but besides that you where alone. XD

[@samsungtab3977]

You forgot the 284 chicken burger that told him to not call them a sandwich.

[@liilaa.]

Anyone else see Michael Jackson in the top right corner at 3:44 or was that just me?

[@zasou571]

In my opinion, parents are there to support and accompany their children on their way to an independent life in the best possible way - but not to do everything for them and make every decision for them! Children are not the property of their parents! For me, it's an essential part of growing up that children have the opportunity to make their own decisions - even if they are definitely wrong. You learn from your mistakes - and this learning begins at an early age... I worked for 14 years as a self-employed childminder in a two-room apartment rented for this purpose right next to my own House - and during this time I looked after 5 children under the age of 3 every day; sometimes schoolchildren too, but this was rather rare. From this experience, I can say that it is essential to let children go their own way - as long as it doesn't become dangerous. You can trust children to do things; sometimes you are surprised and amazed at what an early age children develop a sense of right and wrong, dangerous or not dangerous and also social interaction with other people (regardless of age). On the subject of homeschooling: interacting with other children is enormously important for the development of healthy social skills - but this is taken away and denied to them if they are not allowed to attend "normal" school! Numerous studies have shown that many such children/young people tend to exhibit anti-social behavior and are much less able to fit into society - and that can hardly be the parents' wish or goal... Therefore, in my opinion, the motto is: "I am there to accompany you on your way. Try it on your own - but be sure that I am always there to help and hold your hand. Explore the world according to your ideas - and if you don't know or understand something, I'm here to explain. You may still be little - but you have rights that I will demand for you and make sure that they are respected. You are a gift - and I am the one who protects this gift without restricting it." I raised my own son according to this motto and, in consultation with their parents, my numerous daycare children too - and I would never (want to) do it any other way... ^^

[@Jakob-j7y]

i think she used that word " öko" parents... that means people who live very healthy even with food etc.

[@dorisschneider-coutandin9965]

For most North American people/parents our approach towards healthy eating, healthy environment, other healthy habits (cycling, walking, taking public transport, waste recycling, Pfandflaschen-System/deposit on drinking bottles), must seem terribly "öko", yes. It's considered normal in our family.

[@brennsuppa]

Kindergarten in Vienna/Austria is about 80€ a month, the cost is only for the food they get, attendance is free of charge.

[@AngelikaRickert]

Our Grandson is 9 years old . He's not allowed watch TV more than an hour per day . The same with the computer . He is outside with his friends the whole day.

[@cnikkor]

The question is: If he was allowed to watch tv or play video games for longer, would he still prefer to be outside with his friends or would he rather choose the display time instead? As a teenager I had friends who could play on console the whole day if they want to and we were outside all the time instead anyway. Also my son (3.5yo), who loves watching TV btw, actively ask if we can go outside, so he prefers being outside over anything else

[@AngelikaRickert]

@@cnikkor He is organized in a firefighter team with other kids in our village and play soccer. He hasn't time to watch tv or play computer games. He loves to be outside with his friends . That's a lot better than be inside the house the whole time.

[@MichaEl-rh1kv]

Costs of daycare: Most "official" daycare institutions (called Kindertagesstätten or KiTA) are subsidized by the municipality and the state. The state of Berlin has officially abolished day care fees, but you've still to pay for the food and certain optional offers. In other states the fees are mostly around a few hundred Euro per month, set by the municipality. In my hometown the fees are staggered on the time per day the kids are in the KiTA and the number of kids a family has (e.g. 6 hours/day 180 € per month incl. lunch for one-kid-families, but only 40 € per month for families with 4 kids; 11 hours/day: 490 € per month for single kid families, 105 € per month for 4 kids families). In most cases the KiTas are however not managed by the municipality itself, but by non-profit organizations (like the German Red Cross, St. John's and Samaritans' associatoin, workers' welfare association, church organizations or other associations). Regarding work and kids: If your kids get sick, you can take sick days (if more than 2 days in a row you need however a doctor's notice). And there is no limit for sick days except that 3 days rule.

[@natascha9913]

It's funny, but most of what she describes as 'Öko-Moms' is actually considered normal parenting in Hamburg. At least here in Hamburg...

[@einwitzigenname585]

Berlin here, same.

[@chrissy227]

I would say the same here in Dresden. We are outside with our daugther every day and even dont own a TV. And wodden toys dont break easy so many generations of kids can use them. You can save money by buying second hand good quality clothes on Vinted.🌸

[@artasium1]

What she is describing is really how kids growing up in 60s and 70s in UK and Europe already recognise. Nobody took you to school. You either walked to school with friends or if you had a good distance to school which would be very rare you took a bus and you would be doing this from very young. You didn't watch that much tv because you were at school all day and after parents came in from work, the tv was their domain. Holidays and weekends you were out of the house and playing with friends and you would regularly be off on kids adventures quite far from home. Parents had to make you cone home to have something to eat etc. It felt like torture when your parents said you couldn't go out because it was raining. (torrential rain, high winds). Living in Scotland, if a rainy day mean't you had to stay in, then none of us would ever have been outside. You cannot expect to have well adjusted adults if they have never developed social skills and problem solving at a very young age which is when all that imprinting is done. What good is smart if you don't know how to apply it and smart is in danger also because you need an attention span to learn and retain information which sadly you are not going to get stuck in front of a tv or playing video games non stop

[@dodevoeten]

The first major fallacy of parenting: "It's my child". No, it's not. Your child is their own person, you're merely guiding and protecting them until they acquire the skills needed to actualize their own selfness. So no, you do not have "a right to educate your own child", because they are not property.

[@JensFrank]

Costs for Kindergarten in Frankfurt, for kids from the age of 2 until they go to school: 0€. For kids under 2, the "full day" (about 40-50 hours per week) is 118€ a month, with various discounts if your salary is under 50K or if you have more than one kid. Reduced prices are available for a "2/3 day" or "1/2 day" plan. On top of this, there's a charge for the food, which is about 3€ per day, so about 65€ per month. Most kindergartens in Frankfurt cover normal working hours (e.g. 7:00-17:00). There are some (too few) with extra long opening hours. The mom from the video is probably living in a smaller town or village, where coverage is often less good.