We Were WRONG About Old Man Consequences! | FNAF Theory

[@Zammypig1106]

Another connection between Mike and OMC (more specifically lakes) might be the Fazbear Frights story Step Closer. A jerk older brother who is associated with Foxy goes fishing at a lake with his dad. He also almost loses his eye to a fishing hook as a “consequence” for bullying his brother and disturbing Foxy. Some more potential evidence!

[@RECES_REVIEWING]

Oh my gosh, this is an amazing peice of evidence!

[@i.l0v3_sh4rks]

I LOVE THIS OMG

[@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676]

Now this is good rationale!

[@polybit06]

SAME THOUGHTS

[@Dani-qo9vk]

good observation, noticed that too. There is also another place where a lake is mentioned .In the actual translation of "the bear of vengeance " from ultimate customnights foxy who represents mike and freddy who represents c.c both mention a favorite pond in their dialogues

[@StrawHatZethy]

So old man consequences isn't a Crocodile but Mike as Foxy wearing a fishing hat. Epic.

[@Mario-kt3cu]

💀

[@HayLeesHomeMade]

I always felt it was a foxy head ngl

[@soirema]

💀💀💀 indeed If I were Scot i would die of embarasment

[@puddincakie]

888 likee

[@CodeOmega0]

"You are won." is DEFINITELY a double entendre for 'You are one' before saying 'and YOU remain'. It feels like if the Princess is actually Golden Freddy, OMC might be saying how only one spirit remains in that body. (After the fire or Happiest Day? My mental timeline is borked.)

[@abiutheartist]

Maybe you’re on to something

[@firewings9954]

"You are won" means "You have won" PQ3.

[@happyclown4331]

Man I'm loving the take on these lines. For me, I kind of see it as a potential mocking, but inevitable message ..."You are won" ( like by a prescence, or thing, or concept "owning you", and fighting over a type of 'prize)'. It's almost like there's something more behind the scenes, hinting at what is to come or currently occuring alongside the developing story/narrative. Like a fight has occured, yet you still are there, alive and aware (Player iin Princess Quest?), waiting for your next movement and action, almost as if to start a domino reaction, to "change the past" by understanding it and forming long lasting lessons, that allow horrors to co-exist as we find steps to help those and ourselves around us. By first, trudging through the depths and amalgamates that bind us together in the 'sinking crab bucket' that can be life.

[@richardderatte6672]

"You are one." may bear even more meaning though if it's being staid to Vanessa/Vanny as the princess rather than Golden Freddy/Cassidy. This could be hinting to Vanessa and Vanny becoming merged into one, rather than Vanny just being defeated as was generally assumed after the SB Princess Quest ending. That would also make the most sense given where and when the line is said, since the old man says it at the start of PQ4, which would naturally be a progression from the ending of PQ3, and since PQ4 ends with Vanny crushing Glitchtrap, another thematic continuation from PQ3. With the assertion of "You are won won(one)" in the place it's said, Steel Wool is essentially saying "Don't get it twisted, just because Vanny is in the ending of this game doesn't mean it's going to be the same Vanny pre-PQ ending, this is Vanny and Venessa as one whole now."

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

One thing I always believed with Old Man Consequences is that entering the lake is basically moving on. He says you can't go back once you go too deep because there's no back, you can choose to stay and rest forever or you can move on to the next world which is the afterlife. In FNAF world the drowned ending ends the game properly because you can move on while it crashes the game in ultimate custom night because the vengeful spirit refuses to move on from Afton.

[@lianaverwood9810]

Or it could refer to 'Drowning in Anger', and suggests that the Vengeful Spirit will Never stop Tormenting William, and has lost themselves to their own Anger - Ending the Game as you no longer have Control...

[@iabproductionsofficial]

My interpretation was this. OMC is holding the fishing hook that's keeping afton in hell, OMC fishes Golden Freddy AKA (The one he should not have killed)Out of hell Briefly to give the advice of moving on, Golden Freddy refuses and when it enters the lake its returning back to hell to torture William

[@oakthespringwing3176]

I’ve been headcanoning that Mike was OMC for about 3 years now. I never really expected for there to be actual evidence for it. What a crazy coincidence fyxfjtddghjvddgh

[@ShesNervous]

I'm honestly shocked we haven't picked up on this sooner. Why were NONE of us questioning the red crocodile could just be... a fox lol. Way to go you for headcanon. You were ahead of the game.

[@oakthespringwing3176]

@ShesNervous FR! The main reason I headcanoned it was because of the way I characterize Mike when I write him and it would give him an interesting relationship with the Venguful Spirit (no matter who it is aijsjsksksmdkdj) looking back, even the way the jaws look matches up with the foxy sprite, with a large upper jaw and shorter lower jaw (I’m pretty sure the actual model for foxy is the opposite, if only slightly, which is honestly kinda funny to me)

[@themilkman7921]

Believing something “just cause” or without evidence is not something to brag about

[@oakthespringwing3176]

@themilkman7921 I’m not bragging…? I’m sorry if my comment made it seem that way. I struggle reading tone over text, and I know it’s not just me. I was merely stating: “Hey, I’ve had this silly idea in my head for years. I’m surprised it actually has something going for it.” Believing something ‘just because’ is the entire point of headcanons. They’re just a silly little ideas that sticks with you. You know they’re not real, but it’s fun to imagine! Hope you have a good day! :D

[@tamsuskaralius835]

i swear ive seen someone make a video on it in the past few years

[@zacks.5991]

The "Mike Consequences" pun is interesting, because I believe I discovered a similar instance. (I don't know if this has been brought somewhere else.) We have all thought that Emily is a weird last name, but I believe it is for a pun. Charlotte Emily, goes by Charlie in the books. Charlie can be short for Charlotte or Charles. Another nickname for Charles is Chuck. Charlie Emily -> Chuck E. ... Cheese. Edit: Just realized, the 3 Emily family members are Charlotte Emily (C. E.), Sammy Emily, (S. E.), and Henry Emily (H. E.). Their initials have the letters to spell C. H. E. E. S. E.

[@abiutheartist]

That’s so cool

[@nrudy]

Given that all the various version of Freddy's corporate parent and restaurants mirror the early history of Chuck E Cheese, this is very probable. @zacks.5991 you better email this idea into the podcast.

[@traumedged]

That’s hilarious

[@robinblack9]

MIND BLOWN!

[@Astr0n1ty_M00n]

That's awesome, literally how has that not been noticed for years? 😂

[@valdenay7264]

Interestingly enough, that would make the Foxy vs Freddy anime clips in UCN make sense as well. Vengeful child & Mike fighting over what to do with William Edit/ 1k? Holy cow! That's cool

[@theghostcreator776]

HOLY SHIT yeah that does make sense, vengeful spirit wanting Mike to stay out of their way but being unable to It would also make sense bc the characterization of Foxy in the cutscene is to give Freddy a punishment for each attempt. Giving Freddy consequences for his actions

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

@@theghostcreator776 AND there's intentional mistranslations in those sequences too... don't know if it means something but that would be another connection to OMC, or at least to PQ4 "Old Man"

[@robinblack9]

you are cooking!

[@zythe69akaru]

These couple comments have really clicked in my brain :O

[@CharplaysssOffical]

your telling me that those may be cannon which might the breaking toy chica ones cannon? dear lord

[@enrike9404]

He really likes the brush 😊 from the beginning

[@RyeToast]

Oh yeah! He loves it

[@griffysfnafchannel]

@@RyeToast Butter for Toast: Was the Princess Cassidy or did a retcon occur removing this concept from the games?

[@diverwerk]

a purple mike fishing would be very fun to see. he’s just hollow with purple skin and he’s like “woah look at that biggen”

[@Iffem]

you describing him as hollow just gave me the mental image of him looking like a Hollow from Dark Souls

[@ember13dp]

😂 I love that image

[@diverwerk]

@@ember13dp me 2 girly

[@jameswilliams8555]

Mike (because he has a British accent at the end of Sister Location): Bloody hell! That's a right whopper it is!

[@diverwerk]

@@jameswilliams8555 HELP MEEE THATS SO FUNNY😭

[@vamprascare621]

I like the idea that is Mike in the Old Man Consequences. It would make sense because everyone can hear William Afton in the Minigame screaming for Mike to help him, giving us that hint in UCN, the whole time. And the story about Mike from the Fazbear's Fright trilogy talking a boy going fishing, chewing gum, has a little brother that is told to stay away from Foxy and other Animatronics.

[@deltarosa]

Not to mention the mushroom cave lake appears RED, similar to how the lake is coloured in FW/UCN

[@inventivefrog8899]

Mike could also be wearing the foxy mask since he knows that the spirits associate his face with William.

[@teme7354]

that theory is compeltely debunked

[@PureHydro]

I thought this was a good episode!! It made me think of those pictures Mike drew in the survival logbook. Where he wants a speed boat and water skis. Also it's funny if OMC is Mike, because OMC also means original main character. Mike used to be main character

[@Aikumis-h9e]

Yoooo you are onto something with OMC one

[@PureHydro]

@@Aikumis-h9e thanks! This is random but I was also thinking Foxy has a hook. Fishing with a hook. Maybe there's something there

[@HawkstaBeard]

I kinda just think that Old Man Consequences… is just Old Man Consequences. If Nighmare/Nightmarionne is the giver of death, and the Puppet is the giver of life, then I think that Old Man Consequences is the “Giver” of Purgatory.

[@Venturror]

based take

[@TheAMVDorf]

But in that example, Charlie would be the giver of life, aka a person in the story of FNAF, as opposed to a being simply made for giving life like you’re suggesting OMC is

[@jademonass2954]

thats my interpretation hes only there to make sure sould go to rest, nothing else not even forcing them, just looking over them

[@juliad7050]

And isnt this what Michael does from the beginning

[@EndoEnnard1]

I’ve always just loved the idea of a wise old crocodile just representing the consequences of those who face them

[@wakaitsu]

Also name would make sense in that regard too. Old Man Consequences. Like, consequences of what? Player going too deep into the code? And this character that was clearly not born from the program, just decided to stay in the area nosy players end up in to poke fun of them? Yeah, sure. But in Old Mike case that "consequences" part makes perfect sense - him being there is the consequence of his actions as a kid bully. His entire existence is the direct consequence of his actions. Therefore it makes sense to call his older self that - "I am an Old Man made by Consequences of my younger self actions"

[@robinblack9]

👏 👏 👏

[@TheAmethystWitchGames]

If we assume jrs is where the sink hole that became the FNAF6 location is.. then the Mega Pizzaplex would be built on top.. being that it's the same location from midnight motorist we know that's a large open area of land next to what seems to be a busy major highway so that would make sense to build the Pizza Plex there.

[@ItzRossMane]

honestly that makes so much sense too

[@robinblack9]

"four games, one story" More like four stories high ...woah...wait

[@MrWahoo1]

Everybody focusing on the Theory's but not a Soul has Brought up how happy lil bro is while being Brushed every Upload, he must be a Joy to be around

[@robinblack9]

HOLY SH***********T I AM SO HONORED ! Loved the Mikes face overlay *chefs kiss You did a great job! You the first fnaf creator to have me doing double takes on the series multiple red lakes

[@robinblack9]

And tysm for promoting my album 🙏

[@sumrqndomguy6208]

@@robinblack9 why is bro not pinned lol

[@robinblack9]

@@sumrqndomguy6208 lol just happy to be here

[@dolxx42]

Thats the best theory on old man consequences ive ever seen, it covers so many things and just answers the midnight motorist

[@SyrupSquid333]

I can stop laughing at his seriousness while he brushes his cat who can’t get enough attention 😭

[@bellajones2563]

When the idea of Micheal being him was brought up I started tearing up from the idea of the angel figure being Micheal & his two little siblings as him being OMC is his attempt to keep helping & protecting them like he wished he did in life.

[@tubulardimitri1105]

In the fnaf book step closer the Main character may be a Mike parallel, and in the story he goes fishing with his dad, so that could support the Mike=omc theory.

[@Harveywolf17]

His cat loves him making videos it gets a groom everytime 😂 Such a good dude for his cat. Its actually quite sweet

[@ryanspratt4161]

Yoooo okay let’s see what you got

[@RyeToast]

Hope you liked it!

[@ryanspratt4161]

@@RyeToast it was awesome! As a weekly FFPP listener, it was epic seeing the callbacks to people’s emails and stuff!

[@The_lamb_sauce]

⁠@@ryanspratt4161my cat disliked your reply for some reason like he pressed his nose on your comment and then pressed his nose on the dislike button of your reply I don’t think my cat agrees or just has a grudge against you

[@anomalouscatclub]

​@RyeToast Listening to your theory, could it also be possible that Midnight Motorist is part of Ultimate Custom Night? What if the Orange man is meant to be Henry, and He's just driving home every night from watching over the Ultimate Custom Night Pizzeria. A proper punishment for the one who only watched and waited.

[@LambOfRegress]

@@The_lamb_saucehe’s jealous of the brushing

[@LeoPerkk]

Great theory Rye. You are one of my favorite FNaF content creators but there is just one aspect of this video that I cannot overlook: You should get one of those cat brushes that have like a button to push the back end of the brush closer to the "teeth", so it accumulates less fur. It seems like a pain to remove all that fur from the brush you were using.

[@leonard8452]

You convinced me especially because it solves midnight motorist in a satisfying way

[@TangleHamain]

15:55 Another connection: *BOTH LAKES ARE RED!!!*

[@darknessblades]

The cave and the lake falling animation could indeed be a link. maybe the restaurant being underground could also be caused by a MASSIVE sinkhole.

[@torrigarnet]

This combined with Dual Process's theory makes so much more sense. Cassidy was always the vengeful spirit, just not in the way people perceived it. He wasn't just some random victim. He was Cassidy Afton. William's son. The son he forced into the very thing that he was afraid of, but the very thing that put him in the coma. William stuffed him in Fredbear and let him get spring locked. Which is what killed him. That sounds like a solid vengeful spirit to me. "Why?! Why have you done this to me?! You're my father! Why would you do this to me?!" (My personal context of how that would appear) It explains why Cassidy kept Afton alive in the Spring Bonny suit. "You put me in that thing and forced me to become what I am. Now it's my turn to do the same to you!" After all, when a person is in a coma, they can still hear things in the physical world. Cassidy was aware of EVERYTHING. This also neatly explains the Old Man Consequences scene. If that is Michal showing up as Foxy then he's saying "I've found you! Finally! I've found you! Sit by the lake for awhile. Stay with me. Let our father be tormented by the hell he created. You and I can stay here forever." This also explains the scene in the movie where Golden Freddy tells Michael that he can stay in the dream forever with his brother and family. Stuff is starting to make more sense now!

[@Sentrid]

personally i don't think it's anyone. these are good points, i like how connected everything is visually, but i think he's a representation. not any real person speaking through old man consequences, but just a character to say it's the end of the road. FNaF World was supposed to be the last game, tying the lore with the key to the FNaF 3 mini games and a final game for Scott to leave. Old Man Consequences was there to say, "This is it. No more FNaF." It isn't until you (the player/fredbear) drowns in a lake and falls forever in void and obscurity, and once you stop touching the keyboard, that it dies. And you see scott with his children, bonding in front of the TV. Same for UCN in my eyes. He's a character telling whoever fredbear is (whether it be Cassidy or FNaF) that it's the end. You die and it crashes. Finally the end of FNaF for Scott. That's my headcannon but i do really like the idea of it being Mike talking to Cassidy, all theories are valid tbh

[@shui804]

Same, I get that this series is all about connections between characters and all of that but it's very clear OMC whole lake is meant to be the end for whether it be spirits or as you said the franchise as a whole. The reason it IS the lake could be because of the people FNaF World and UCN are based around, aka cc and William Afton hence forth he show's up at the lake naer their house.

[@zastager4484]

Ive never stopped to think how old mike is at this point, damn

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

Really depends on when you think FnaF 3 and Pizza Sim take place. I personally subscribe to the theory that FnaF 3 is in 2015, so assuming Mike is at the youngest 13 or 14 in FnaF 4 minigames that would have him born somewhere between 1969 (nice) or 1970, which would make him ~18 in 1987 and ~46 in FnaF3. And if 2015 is true then it means that the earlier dates for Security Breach (such as 2029) are entirely viable, meaning that if Cassie's dad is indeed the Bonnie bully, and the Bonnie bully is the same age as Mike, then Cassie would need to be born in 2017 at the earliest, meaning that her dad would only have had to be 48 when she was born, which isn't all that weird

[@DraconianBS]

This is gonna go crazy I already know! I always like new perspectives on "established" things.

[@artist_aleah]

The OMC Sprite in relation to Mike’s Foxy mask was *chef’s kiss*! GTLive needs to react to this, cause it’s a good ass theory!

[@DukeTheDukeTheDukeTheDuke]

where are the ears

[@StormagedonBOD]

This honestly is the most "yeah this is just lore" moment for me.

[@keroppib4ptista]

wtf does that mean

[@533hornet]

It fits together sooooo cleanly. Like i was convinced so easily that im almost suspicious, because lets be honest when does Scott let it be this easy.

[@avy244]

It doesnt fit cleany its a branch that works together cleanly until you dont get to the main root and try to fit it. Then it doesnt work

[@panicsthoughts]

1 MINUTE?? THIS IS THE EARLIEST I'VE BEEN...

[@RyeToast]

WELCOME IN

[@panicsthoughts]

@@RyeToast I just finished the video, and I gotta say, I loved it! Especially the Michael being OMC, that's pretty wholesome. Can't wait for you next theory!!

[@elainad6728]

33 min early for me 😅

[@Gront517]

20 seconds is the earliest I have ever been

[@GJames-Legend101]

Possibilities I think. 1. Old man consequences is the fnaf universe equivalent of Satan/the devil or the grim reaper, or he’s some kind of ancient entity. 2. Old man consequences is a creation of Henry Emily to help any spirits move on or find peace that are connected to fnaf world and ultimate custom night. 3. Old man consequences is some kind of is some kind of guide for the living, the dead and digital. 4. Old man consequences was someone who Cassidy was familiar with in life at some point. 5. Old man consequences was someone perhaps William or Henry knew. 6. The red king is inspired by old man consequences. 7. The red king is Henry inside princess quest.

[@Shadowmouse1277]

4. C.C

[@zeldristhecactus1304]

Or 8 and the most weird one being Andrew.

[@TotallyNotIceOwl]

Yeah. I thought he was some form of death too.

[@afekendgrke]

​​​​@Schnirt simple, the 4th layer could be Hell, since FNaF World is a "Sanctuary",The ending UCN can be Cassidy leaving UCN (Hell) to finally rest and leave William with his demons and Eternal Suffering, and also, using Scott's old christian videos, we can see that he made the devil being an Old Man with Red clothes, looking like the Old man from Princess Quest, therefore, being Old Man Consequences.

[@airitindeparrotin6018]

Personally been thinking fnaf world shouldn't be ignored. Its not canon, but the ideas inside it are clearly ones that Scot was contemplating. I can absolutely see them using the glitching up and down as a very interesting explanation for what is happening in the newest saga. I find it odd that the Pizza Plex was shown being built INSIDE a game that fully acknowledged it was a game. If Cassy was trapped layers below in the AR, her father going in after her makes sense or vice versa. Glitching down into the game within a game within a game. The books suggest this is something on their minds, waking up from the VR world only to find out you never actually left. Im excited to see if they are headed this direction. I think it would be neat to see FNAF World be the key to the new era. Regardless, I'm along for the ride.

[@mohmdbak3062]

It is canon tho, Scott never said it isn't he said that he regrets trying to tie it to the lore too much,

[@Gront517]

Damn that is a looooong coment

[@Xwartu]

@@Gront517Not really?

[@valliemcc8352]

It always bothered me that nearly everyone assumed OMC was Henry. Like the evidence is so lukewarm but it made the most sense thematically. This evidence however is pretty solid!

[@CEOofBdubs]

This is an incredible theory! These are the kind of new ideas and perspective we need, and this would be an amazing way for Mikes influence to remain in the series without lazily saying “guys guess what he didn’t actually die in the FNAF 6 fire!”

[@asheueland462]

Wow I love the way you write your theory videos, I feel like I put the pieces together with you and it's really clear which points you're trying to make, I find even the og boy matpat struggles to walk me through it in the same way. No hate to him just a comparison, I think the chill vibes help me digest the information better aswell, also the way Marq was looking at you while you were brushing him 😭

[@willwispagaming8144]

I believe michael is old man consequence because he lets his brother rest going in the lake the image of three people is elizabeth michael and cc michael also tries to get the vengful spirit to rest but the game crashes meaning either it worked or omc was shut out

[@Shadowwarrior2288]

New subscriber. I was curious about the episode topic but the brushing the kitty and being so cute is what got me 😂

[@RyeToast]

Welcome in!

[@Shadowwarrior2288]

@RyeToast thank you glad youtubes algorithm recommended you!

[@asmo_fu2]

The meow at 1:59. I can't, that's so cute.

[@The.Percy.Ever.]

I read this as it happened 😭 also ur right its so cuteeee

[@melthompson6535]

The voice acting for OMC was 10/10!

[@dreamdr0pdistance]

i’ve always thought OMC looked like foxy and it wasn’t until this video that i realized that’s not the general consensus

[@happyclown4331]

This theory goes so hard on the first watch (coupled with the comment section too) man. I'm DIGGING THIS. Its like those railroad connectors as kid we got (Thomas the Tank engine tracks), feeling I get with this theory. Vert satisfying. Keep up the great work!

[@Vaulir0637]

Considering Michael had been conversing with the vengeful spirit in the security logbook prior to UCN, it makes sense they have a connection after FNAF6.

[@shui804]

There is no proof to suggest that is the vengeful spirit. Could be Charlie for all we know.

[@TheAMVDorf]

@@shui804the vengeful spirits name is revealed in that same book

[@shui804]

@TheAMVDorf even that fact can be disproven by the fact we get the combination from the cc, or the altered text ghost while who we assume is the vengeful spirit is the one who asked the question that lead us to get said combination.

[@jefesusmuel8392]

The idea that mike is the vengeful spirit lines up with the idea that ucn is based off of mike's memories while at the locations as the security guard. who else would fend off the monsters like he does? of course he would want william to experience the things he experienced! He could also be omc, just as another part of himself. a part that wants to let go and move on to the afterlife. i also headcanon that mike is the kid from sit and survive, but that's neither here nor there.

[@epicblack55]

Surprised Rye didn’t mention the foxy pirate ship behind the lake where dreadbear comes from. Kind of seals this theory.

[@Starsofthegods]

Mike being OMC also makes sense since technically FNAF's story itself was in a way his "consequence", If you believe the CC was the first victim.

[@uwillbeefound6439]

It would also be tragic but good if you consider the idea that fnaf world is rescuing the crying childs soul - michael is there too, to protect his brothers soul when he strays too far. Its not evidence but its still quite thematic

[@larkaiio3376]

there is a theory proposed by Dual process theory that mike is the vengeful spirit, and at first it didn't make sense to me with what was said in this video, but afer some thinking it makes perfect sense. Vengeful spirit and William are the only two people in UCN, if mike is vengeful spirit then it makes sense that OMC is just his concience or something like that telling him to stop. In this way, OMC is not a seperate entity from vengeful spirit and William, instead its the part of Mike that understands that there is no use to endless anger. It's his moment of self reflection.

[@garfieif8187]

Something about his sprite unnerves me. It taps into some weird, early childhood anxiety I would get from playing the Atari game, Frostbite. Great character. I love him.

[@site.the-gamer]

cat?!?? yeah im subscribing

[@mattgreen7692]

"I need to record this video but this cat demands a brushing" is such a mood. Every time I try and get some work done at my computer one of my cats inevitably flops down on my mouse or keyboard.

[@Personian]

The evidence taken from the CODB hub world is actually really solid evidence, I liked this

[@lyndye2027]

this is a very compelling theory but one thing that always stood out to me is that during the UCN easter egg, william is calling out to specifically Henry and Mike in the scene where the only other two present are OMC and the vengeful spirit. i feel like they easily could have just had william screaming in agony, vaguely screaming for help, or even showing regret as he is facing his deserved torment, but they specifically chose to make him scream to mike and henry. IMO, i could easily see mike being the one behind UCN, leaving Henry as OMC. It's only one piece of evidence i know, but it always felt important to me at least

[@RyeToast]

That's a fair point. My only counter would be that from William's perspective, Henry and Michael started the fire. So he's screaming out to the two people who did this

[@plasticupkake]

another bit of evidence: the OMC sprite's mouth looks very similar to mike's after hes scooped

[@fercornsfm]

I found it questionable at first, but I was convinced by the end. Theories tend to be more believable when all games are tied into it instead of just Security Breach/Ruin.

[@MonkeyStudios_1]

Bros cat knows all the FNaF lore 💀

[@robinblack9]

😂😂😂

[@javiortiz3702]

The fact that the lake envolves a huge mistery even in new games is so exciting. The drowning ending in fnaf world (with that final photo that no one knows what it is), the fallfest and fnaf 4 house near that lake, fredbear coming from it... For me, it seems that there is a huge mistery envolving that lake that may be solved with a fallfest game, it makes so much sense now. I wish they bring us the final piece of lore. Fun fact: In ruin's cave, the water on the ground is red coloured, I think it is on purpose, wdyt?

[@omni567]

This is all really compelling, but i have to ask: If micheal is omc, then why is he in fnaf world? I suppose it depends on when that would take place. It would have to take place shortly before the happiest day minigame, which is probably after pizzeria sim, so i could buy mike having become omc by then. Although, if fnaf world doesn't take place at that point and instead is earlier in the timeline, i dont see how that could be him. Maybe it could be some kind of buried memory michael deep underneath everything else in cc's weird spirit memory realm, but if thats the case i feel like thats not how it would act. Personally, I'm leaning towards the PS->FNAF World->Happiest Day. Still food for thought though. But i figure this theory is pretty sound all and all

[@haruu9093]

I love that you talked about the cave in Security Breach. I haven't seen people talk about that weird cave that had waters and stuff in it

[@MusiciansRule07]

First of all, I LOVE how you engage with the Community and build up not just Theorists at home but Theorists in general. When KZbinrs build each other up and prominent people in Fandoms do so too, it is so much better! It's more fun and it allows for more Nuance to be put in without a big explosion of nonsense first. Well, the nonsense persists but it stays contained to a few bad apples that can be ignored for the majority of the time. Thanks for that. Now, as for the video, I've always thought that OMC was Henry because what he wanted more than anything was for everyone William hurt to rest peacefully and to have the Afterlife that they deserve. William already ruined their Lives. He shouldn't get to ruin their Afterlife, too. Once he realized that Cassidy was doing UCN, at first, he was totally down for it because the more pain, the better for William Afton plus UCN is the sort of justice that everyone he killed and their loved ones deserved. HOWEVER, after a while, he realized that Cassidy was blinded by revenge and spite, delaying William's descent to The Darkest Pits of Hell (UCN is Purgatory in my eyes) and more importantly, adding to Cassidy's pain and ruining her Afterlife. Him manifesting as OMC is his way of saying: "STOP. THIS S.O.B DOESN'T DESERVE ANYMORE OF YOUR ENERGY. YOU DESERVE BETTER. LET GO AND I PROMISE THAT THE DEVIL WILL BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND MORE. YOU CAN BE WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND WATCH. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THIS." Henry just wants not just Charlie but everyone to be Free. UCN is giving William another victory, even as he's ripped to shreds. Today's video has given me a new Theory to roll with because with a couple of details changed, the essay I just typed applies to Mike, too. He wants to atone for what he did to his little brother (Evan, to me...) and make sure that William Afton gets everything he deserves without harming anymore people. So, yeah, you and other Theorists have given me a new perspective. Either Henry or Michael can be OMC. It's cool. I'm happy with that.

[@happyfellowship4291]

Mike as OMC make so much sense, it's the perfect end to his character arc: from an angry teen whose rash actions led to tragedy and pain, to a judge-like figure who warns others not to continue in violence. Also Michael enjoying binging TV and fishing is so funny, he's such a dad.

[@Pulsarnix]

Okay, I like this. You've convinced me, I'd never have thought of this without the podcast.

[@FidgetTyme]

Always enjoy the various theories popping up these days. That's gonna be a nice one to relook at everything through with that outlook. Keep up the good work and I'mma see about hopping in another stream sometime and saying hi. Been a bit and didn't realize this much time has passed since I last did.

[@Cally_on_paws]

Another connection to Michael is I think in the drowning ending the 3 figures at the end that seem to be cuddling and/or watching something are Michael, C.C, and Elizabeth, Michael being the taller one in the middle and it's pretty safe to say c.c and Elizabeth are the same hight so they're on either side of him.

[@dubrasri9723]

I’m kinda surprised everyone thought of OMC was a crocodile, I’ve always seen it as a Foxy cause you know the red, the long snout and teeth

[@kennaum]

I think its so interesting looking back on "that night" in FLAF. how important color is in this franchise, and that JR's sign is Old Man Consequences neon red. I wonder if he isnt a character, but rather the first instance of agony enacted by Afton. If he was born of his first kill, it makes sense that he would have something to do with that night, that Jr's sign, and then his demise.

[@kennaum]

yo that'd make serious sense if it was because of Charlottes death.. why its dialogue seems to similar in thought to Henry's

[@doc3913]

Came here to watch the newest short stumbled upon a full theory video

[@RyeToast]

Well come on in!

[@redbear8536]

@@RyeToasti do not think its mike sadly because in the books when you have no more hate your sprite leave to haven and I don't think mike would think that a sprite would be that vengeance full to hang out to see what happens when the smoke clears I think you would just leave because he had Afton dead to rights person I think old man is neutral god like entity only helps the souls make the right choices

[@S-pw2jh]

I love the Mike theory (disregarding he’s my favorite and I would love to see him again) it’s makes so much sense to me I’d never thought about who Old man consequences is prolly should’ve

[@MonkomediaYT]

Another thing thats important is the waterfall lake in the cave of ruin is actually red if you look at it, so maybe a hint to the OMC Red lake idk

[@Fyre19]

Im really impressed with the theories BUT IM MORE IMPRESSED WITH THE CAT STAYING ON YOUR LAP

[@Dr.Silly-xl6tz]

This whole video has got me like, “Oh yeah! It’s all coming together.”

[@pelkerkes]

im literally shaking i cannot believe that scott actually INTENDED omc sprite to be foxy's mask

[@rachelbullock1636]

Honestly the most solid FNAF theory I've seen in a long while. Most definitely convinced me!

[@wolfsnooze]

haven’t even finished the video but - gonna be honest since dual process theory’s video i’ve been thinking SO much about mike as OMC. i really like cassidy as CC, but ALSO as the vengeful spirit. and mike being OMC , telling his little brother he can finally rest is .. sweet, and sad to me ive also always seen OMC as a wolf or fox rather than a gator, but i had a big bias towards canines in general so😭

[@wolfsnooze]

(note that i know CC=cassidy=TOYSNHK probably doesn’t hold much water in general it’s just an interpretation i like lol)

[@GippyHappy]

I kinda love it even if it breaks my brain because it's more fitting for Mike than Henry. I ever liked him being left out after his dead in Pizza Sim. Cassidy comes back, puppet comes back, William comes back, and it's possible even the crying child comes back... Why should Mike be left out? He was the protagonist! And him going from troubled child to tormented adult to wise old figure trying to guide the younger ones away from revenge... it's really nice. I'm glad he's resting by his lake, enjoying the fishing.

[@GippyHappy]

You could have also mentioned that it being foxy explains why he is red and not green like a crocodile would be, or any other color it could have been.

[@davinasaur73]

This fits too damn well I’m sold

[@TheStrangestLad]

11:47 caught me off guard lmao, PWP is peak

[@ItsNorthernStar]

This is canon and i refuse to believe otherwise from here on out

[@p.6928]

I really like this theory, way more than Henry being OMC. Here's hoping other fnaf tubers react/respond to this theory and bring more connections.

[@pppawel2191]

The fact that fnaf world could get an update is exciting

[@snoodge-cv7fj]

My absolute favorite kinds of characters in lore sense series are characters like old man consequences, where they seem incredibly important to the lore and we’ve had very close interactions with them, but there’s still just absolutely nothing to work off of when it comes to who they are or why they do what they do.

[@kentakyw1376]

If Michael is the one who broke out in midnight motorist, then who is the person watching TV?

[@mr.nicehat7525]

I had the idea of Mike being OMC after watching MatPat react to Dual Process Theory's video, tho I was like "nah, someone with more experience in lore would probably find something that negates that..." Although I wasn't the one who sent the e-mail, and I never said anything about it to anyone, I feel cool about having the thought of it on my own. Plus, it's cool to see that people got the same thought at some point

[@recruit6916]

Anyone else ever sit down and think about how Scott doesn't really even know the full story and when someone just creates a new theory that he finds interesting enough he tries to ride with it a bit.

[@Ari4sstuff]

I was thinking about this theory and I realized something that perhaps you already had in mind, but I just realized it. In one of the stories in the books, William, who now was a part of the agony monster that was made of cables and animatronic parts in a mountain of scrap metal, was thrown into a lake where he got trapped, perhaps that lake is the one in old Man Consequences and Mike's spirit is in charge of watching him, in case he escapes

[@Ari4sstuff]

Or maybe it's just andrew, who is known for wearing a crocodile mask

[@docplays23]

I was a bit skeptical about OMC being Michael but after hearing the evidence, I’m convinced

[@EtherealN0ir]

I think this might be the first theory that I have ever been 100% convinced on, I thought about it when you brought it up during your podcast and I liked the idea of it but with more evidence I am actually fully convinced on this one

[@jonathansoriano3568]

I stayed for the cat, i haven't played fnaf but i dabble in matpat ramblings

[@ishkanark6725]

Didn't listen to the video, watched the cat the whole time.

[@tywest4448]

you convinced the whole world

[@TheLolbitGamer]

It's also worth calling out that the water in the cave is red, the omc lake is red, and the lake dreadbear walks out of also seems to be red.

[@filippohl9097]

Who the hell thought the crocodile was Henry in the first place?

[@NedstarYouTube]

I believe it's some form of the devil, or something close to that.

[@toastcrunch3728]

I think RyeToast might also be old man consequences. I mean... look at that salmon shirt