Ryron vs Vanilla Gorilla

no gi bjj @otm tournie

[@MrMZaccone]

I love listening to Marc Laimon piss and moan about points while one of his guys loses by submission.

[@MrFelixify]

Lol!! was it him?? the fucking douche that was an assistent coach on the ultimate fighter. didn't he get his ass kicked out of the gym or something? what a fucking moron that guy is. I saw him choking a girl out on youtube laughing about it. He is just an incredible unlikeble person. probablly never had a real fight in his life.

[@MrMZaccone]

***** Yup, that was him.

[@diogopravato8481]

​@@MrFelixify this is amazing

[@kauaikane1894]

Yeah sounds like a little bitch. He lucky was big vanilla getting submitted by ryron and not himself. To much lipping

[@Kev80ification]

@@MrFelixify That's the guy! Matt Serra called him out on his bullshit on the show. Maybe he has changed since then, but back then he was quiet disrespectful.

[@byronsmall2077]

Prime example of why jiu jitsu should be submission only... who cares about points.. get the submission...

[@justinrice7609]

I agree

[@THarvey0890]

AGREED

[@dougieladd]

AGREE also

[@AlejandroGonzalez-wo5fk]

The only thing I find wrong with this philosophy is that when people do this they forget that jiu jitsu is also about control and establishing dominant positions. So usually white belts and blue belts get like this sweet tooth for heel hooks and maybe some other submission and they never learn how to move and sweep and scramble correctly in general.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@AlejandroGonzalez-wo5fk yeah

[@swiftlessons]

haha! Dudes still complaining about the points while his boy is getting choked out...

[@wut2097]

so worried about points -- meanwhile your guy is tapping... there's a lesson in there somewhere

[@Therealmkl]

legit the submission made the points irrelevant

[@oldironsides4107]

True. The guy yapping is Marc laimon who beat ryrjon one of the very few times ryron competed

[@oldironsides4107]

That’s true but Gracie should be losing. All the yapping by his coach Marc laimon lribably distracted him. Marco laimon beat ryron one of the few times these brothers ever competed at any stage

[@jeffersonsmith6109]

that was nice of Ryron to take care of the fair reffing problem the loud mouthed guy on the side lines was having. Thoughtful guy.

[@FrankBishop]

Yeah, the ref...one of the original dozen BJJ Black Belts in the US, Chris Haueter, doesn't know what's going on....

[@joeyzig]

+Frank Bishop Agreed, I want to see Chris Haueter tap out the whiny camera man for being a B

[@AnyDiscipline]

that whiny camera man is Marc Laimon.

[@mattlovrine9393]

I love how his talking about points. the gracies don't train for points they train to survive.

[@prybarknives]

@Andy Michelsyou should show them how it's done! Lol

[@demz6365]

@Andy Michels but would u say that to their face?

[@Ky_Mma]

Surviving is points or not being submitted they train for the finish is what you meant

[@shane21burke81]

Facts

[@cuzza4321]

Yeah I think they do points to appeal for the weaker skill players. Imagine a white belt division of 20 minutes per match of flailing it would take all day. Or kids who its risky to allow them to try and hurt the other one so they just do points instead.

[@AdnanCucak]

Bullshit points ? how about Realshit Submission

[@VelhaGuardaTricolor]

I totally agree with the guy filming this. THE TAP via REAR NAKED CHOKE doesn't change the fact Gorilla CLEARLY won the fight by points. CLEARLY! and how about the referee who gave RYRON the win just because of an unimportant tap. ABSURD! a JOKE! a TOTAL JOKE!

[@andytieu604]

At the risk of sounding arrogant, Why is the person in the background complaining about reffing/points? Ryron finished the fight so points didnt even matter.

[@btownshreds1]

ThisBeAndy that’s mark laimon. He whines too much.

[@espinomauricio23]

Because he's salty

[@MrDanielWP]

WonderAndWander - arrogant is the wrong word.

[@leitedd1]

Exactly. Who cares about points if he tapped out?

[@Lessoninablessing]

WonderAndWander exactly

[@sammicale9259]

"You have to use your legs to count it as. A sweep, he only bridged!" Lmao what a goon.

[@DocGr8pples]

It is a weird rule, but that would not have been points in competition. The sweep didn't originate from guard, and didn't involve the legs

[@TWoNaGe]

@@DocGr8pples It's iffy, but more than likely it would have been two points in the heat of the moment. He initiated the sweep with the hook, then continued the transition with his knee, then there was a second of stall, and finally he finished with the bridge and arms. Most refs would have awarded the two points.

[@willistheghost]

Points aren't what Ryron cares about. It's seeing if he can defend himself from a stronger opponent. If he doesn't get tapped, he wins. "Keep It Playful!"

[@Notjarispackson8540]

Beautifully said Willis.

[@konradpietkiewicz6515]

To make it simple, almost none of "the commentator" suggestions considering reffing were correct. 1. You dont get points for escaping a hold or a choke, you actually lose an advantage point. 2. Sweep does not have to involve legs, sweep is moving from the bottom, or disadvantageous position to the top (and holding control for over 3 seconds). 3. POints do not matter when the guy taps. 4. Take down is 2 points, not 3.

[@holdenmuganda97]

In bjj reversals aren’t scored. So rolling from bottom mount to top guard doesn’t score. But this also includes going from bottom side control to top side control. I think that’s dumb in that case because there are legitimate good reversal techniques from bottom side to top side.

[@bwilli1982]

Terrible Ref-ing? Dude got submitted Gracie style man! lol!

[@FrugalFixing]

the filmer is so annoying. You're prob one of those dads that screams and yells at kids soccer games

[@makowon]

your wrong again ,the guy filming is not talking

[@Precisionmagert]

and at hockey games. He does not understand point in a match.

[@jeebs9]

Sam Gardner I agree with him being annoying as fuck. And also agree with what you said. It's sounds like the rules have loop holes.

[@jeebs9]

You also see the fighter is confused at how it was scored there.

[@makowon]

***** marc laimon ,team take down Texas is doing the talking.He is against anything or anyone gracie

[@GrowPotCheaply]

I just want it to be fair, then dude gets choked out. Guess the points didn't matter.

[@HomegrownGenetics]

Whoa, didn't expect to find you here

[@vhollund]

Ryron took his time as usual and won when he had to

[@Bleachedhambone]

Just like Whose Line Is It Anyway!!!

[@darthdredz]

Ryon knew exactly how much time is left. He was just having fun and then he subbed in the final minute. Scary

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Nah

[@Y4J]

"That's not points, that's not points" Example of the SOMETIMES bad side of Jiu Jitsu or "Tournament Jiu Jitsu." There is nothing wrong with tournament style but situations like this make me dislike it even more.. People learning Jiu Jitsu to counter Jiu Jitsu and when they go into tournaments, they only go for ways to rack up points and not go for finishes.. Heck, a lot of Jiu Jitsu practitioners that are blue and purple belts know how to defend other techniques yet can't clinch correctly or defend against strikes. When THAT happens, THAT'S when I question tournament style Jiu Jitsu. Jiu Jitsu at it's heart and soul is about self defense and the fact Gorilla got TAPPED and the guy is still complaining about stupid points shows the mindset of some people. Shake hands, congratulate and move on.

[@Fenderus84]

Wanna hear a different but another bad side of BJJ? I've watch some kids tournaments where the parents get so into the fights that they holler at their kids to pick up and slam the other kid's closed guard. Some of these kid matches have girls division merged too...

[@VietCakes]

George Chen I mean your having kids choke each other out. Its not too far fetched. Atleast its not like professional 12 year old muy thai fighters

[@0riginalH0kagei]

I'm sorry Rick lost this one. He never escaped the Omeplata Ryron simply let it go to get back control which he did. Rick then turns and was unable to scramble out which put him in another bad position with Ryron gaining back control. "Was that a strike?" No, that's called stuffing. It's like what you do to a turkey..momentum turned into a skinny hand to slip through the opening. Those aren't hooks..LMFAO! That's called T'ing off which is a set up for a multitude of submissions. It completely takes Rick's entire lower half out of the equation. It sets up a Triangle Armbar, Armbar, triangle choke, etc..the list can be virtually endless. Was it actually tied up when he said it was? Points or not an undeniable rear naked choke sealed Rick's fate and the camera man is to blame. Rick was looking to him for advice and he was busy arguing over fucking points. Great Job Rick and Ryron. Cameraman is a douche.

[@jerrymorelos6776]

Yup.

[@rockyjohnson5588]

lol I said the same thing! when he kept saying "was that a strike?" I said obviously this guy doesn't understand "stuffing"! then He's accusing the ref of not understanding! I was glad to see someone else noticed that!!!

[@makowon]

you seem to know bjj and wrestling

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

He had his neck taken [finally] because he lapsed concentration and turned his head to look at the commotion. He has the guy sitting next to the cameraman for that imo. Not saying he should have won or anything, just his demise came about because of the soccer mom, from what i could see.

[@Masterpaintingnowlearn2draw]

Dude is complaining about the ref, but who cares, he tapped him.

[@sakimano]

lol points don't matter when you're submitted

[@beargrylls3]

"that's bullshit points!!" "he just won by submission..."

[@xniapjustinx]

omg this guy is the biggest crybaby. your boy got tapped, it doesnt matter what the points were anyways. im sure if his guy was winning he wouldnt be complaining about it. but he just wants "fair reffing"

[@kfinchie]

Does the guy talking realize that he got choked and points had nothing to do with it?

[@IamJacksColon4]

no obviously he's from a hey bro mma gym.

[@PEN1_Ontario_909]

Points dont mean shit when you get tapped...

[@Ntcarpenterbuilder]

Is it jsut me or does Ryron always look like he is waiting inline at the bank when he is rolling

[@MrMZaccone]

How much time is left? How much time is left? How much time is left? How much time is left?, TAP TAP TAP ... Yeah, that would be NONE.

[@c.duncansutherland8347]

Whiny dude!!! He respectfully tapped out, period!

[@InkcorperatedMusic]

That dude behind the camera killed the match real quick when he started complaining about points.. Then dude has the nerve to complain about the refs? The guy got choked out.. If anything he lost focus when the dude started complaining, so he should blame himself for the loss.

[@julesthewalker]

love how when laimon was busy arguing his guy got choked out.

[@Fenderus84]

The referee is Chris Haueter, my coach, a member of the dirty dozen (1st 12 U.S. BJJ black belts). He just hosted a Rigan Machado seminar this Feb. and was promoted to 5th degree black belt by Rigan himself!

[@MrBrebre23]

Awesome display of Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

[@p3gaming729]

Marc Laimon... your boy got tapped man... "let it go, let it go....."

[@PEDROVEIGA]

"That's bullshit points... Terrible referring!" - REALLY??!!

[@RowdyRoddy100]

Classic.. All that shit talk and the guy taps

[@Precisionmagert]

I luv his line is that a strike?

[@venik88]

Rofl yea seriously though

[@Cas_anova]

if that's a question, then I bet it wasn't.

[@jims512]

Wish it was....nah, Ryron is too much of a gentleman

[@lightmobile]

this guy is like the dad at little league games shouting at the umpires.

[@crashstitches79]

Can't stand Marc Laimon. His mouth and attitude turned me off from training at his school when I lived in Vegas. His guy is getting choked and he's starting arguments about points and unfair reffing.

[@Kev80ification]

He was always a fuckin clown.

[@crashstitches79]

LOL his fighter's in there with honor and fair play, laughing and congratulating Rener, shaking hands, being a good sport...and Laimon's being a dark cloud on the positivity by cursing at officials and other coaches. What a dddouche.

[@NydusHerMain]

LOOL "He doesn't know whats going on!" Neither do you son, you're guy got choked. Haha.

[@CarnifexGaming]

Haha so glad the guy got choked out with that annoying guy in the crowd crying about points and reffing.

[@matthewmauldon9219]

Points is the worst thing that could happen to jiujitsu. It should only be submission and if there is none then it’s a draw. Fantastic finish and it was great hearing the grown man cry about everything under the sun. That’s real life, life isn’t fair.

[@130kali]

What a way to throw your own fighter off.

[@averagehank2740]

While Marc Laimon was arguing about fair reffing he completely missed the beautiful way Ryron transitioned to flattening out the guy belly down. It was beautiful!!.

[@poloska25]

1. that was not a strike... he just got his arm in the space he saw efficiently 2. a sweep doesn't always consists of using the legs.. plus he held him down after he swept him.

[@caveirao101]

Thats Marc Laimon talkin "THE EXPERT SWIMMER WHO HAS NEVER BEEN INSIDE THE POOL!" hahahhah

[@ZOIMIBiIE]

Is that Chris Haueter reffing?

[@halldorsveinsson]

Sure is

[@Protectereli]

Gotta love how composed Ryron is the entire time, and matt serra needs to whoop laimons ass.

[@matthewbasile3333]

Who is the whiny guy?

[@BJJCOPS]

Shut up camera man.,., Ryron did an excellent job thaat's what BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU ... Believe in Jiu Jitsu

[@JayKilgore]

Just read the commentary was by marc laimon. Nuff said. I'd still like to see him get rolled by Serra.

[@BeLikeWater1000]

hahah no way thats so funny that guys a douche

[@bfielding91]

lol "terrible reffing terrible reffing" sickest commentary, thanks bro you've got a real skill

[@megumi6499]

I wonder how long the cameraman would last against Ryron.

[@MrMZaccone]

+ShowdownPlease 30 minutes back in 2004. Laimon won ... On points, of course.

[@cabrauzimm]

+Edmond Dantez so he actually lost, wasnt able to submit him in 30 min , thats a win for the gracie, whatever the point unreal stuff says

[@MrMZaccone]

cabrauzimm Rules are rules. In the end, Ryron is a better teacher. Laimon is and will remain an asshole.

[@SuttSutttt]

It was a piss performance from Laimon. Stalled to win on points and wasn't engaging, kept standing up and walking away. It was clear as day Ryron was the better jiu jitsu practitioner, Laimon just played the game better. Got a takedown and passed once for like 5 seconds then stalled his way to victory.

[@randyc750]

Dude's arguing about points while the guy is getting choked out.

[@Precisionmagert]

It's not point if its not from the half guard.

[@DirtyDiggs]

Rick McHauley is about as chill and gracious a dude as you can find. The guy screaming sound A LOT like Marc Laimon, who has an almost obsessive hatred for anything Gracie.

[@ShiddyShad808]

4:28 WAS THAT A STRIKE!???? I just wanna see fair reffing, anybody agree? No answer...

[@wildcat31772]

"that's bullshit points man" ... gets choked out "bullshit points man..." gotta love the peanut gallery.

[@hankdon1057]

LOL, bullshit points? Your boy got submitted and you're biased.

[@lightenlynx]

coach: "Hey thats not a point" fighter: taps coach: "Thats bullshit"

[@Eryan724]

you need to chill out man .... maybe take some bjj classes or something ;)

[@kalyssazachnick33]

Matthew Stinger good point all the way around....

[@jaymepereiranunes]

Matthew Stinger its said that marc laimon went to florida train with american topteam and got submitted 5-6 times in less than 10 minutes by marcelo garcia, to the point he stood up got his things in lockeroom and went away.. dont know how accurate this is, but its funny to imagine.

[@charlesstrong1013]

the part where he just unclasps the guys hands like boop is the best part

[@MDeezyTV]

bullshit points lol terrible reffing hahah I love how that dude is just talking his shit then his guy gets worked by that rear naked choke lol

[@JordanMcManus]

Winner by tap out = Winner... Regardless of what people with cameras think who aren't competing. Much respect for competing with a Gracie though. Better than I could do. Keep up the good work on both sides. Props to whoever Vanilla Gorilla is for even attempting.

[@JahSun711]

How can he still be complaining about points after his guy got submitted? He wasn't even watching the match was more focused on arguing with the ref. I've seen this at jiu jitsu tournaments it's weird lol

[@39Hundred]

Lol I was thinking "the cameraman sounds like an arrogant ass." the more I listened, I thought "Wait, his voice sounds familiar." When I found out it was Mark Laimon, I was like "I'm not surprised."

[@alexportuano4816]

Camera man is sounds worst than my wife when she is pmsing...

[@Cryptosifu]

I know Rick. He is a good guy. Bart Vale era. Much respect. I also train with Rener and Ryron when they were babies. In saying that, they were awesome kids

[@RyenVanGrol]

wow! argue about points at the end of the match bud, Marc Laimon aka Backseat REF... he got choked out cuz you were the biggest distraction to everyone, arguing with onlookers, asking the ref questions mid match, calling BS on points. "was that a strike?"

[@mikeyKnows_]

"was that a strike?" lol

[@furiousdfro]

It depends on the tourney, but a sweep doesn't need to initiated by legs in every circumstance. I'd have to see the rules of "This" tournament to be a good judge. Also, this is not a "terrible" referee. You disagree with the ref, there is a difference. Also, as has been mentioned in many of the comments, who fucking cares? RNC for the win.

[@juliannunez23]

I know, it's like; "shut the fuck up about the points already and help me out of this rear naked, damn you!!!"

[@stallings2112]

He got choked out dude! Points didn't matter lol.

[@trxquadguy4296]

terrible reffing and bullshit points...... oh my guy tapped out nevermind

[@ShaareiZoharDaas]

Beautiful technique where does vanilla train?

[@linuxisbetter0]

BS points? He tapped out lol

[@InBrandingWeTrust1]

There is your "Fair Reffing" LOL Tap Baby.

[@makowon]

Ufc Matt Serra agrgues ove gracie marc laimon

[@BJJCOPS]

Piece crap lol

[@mtnfraggle]

Serra owned him so hard. Laimon is such a douche. This was great to watch.

[@Vscustomprinting]

you know what they say: a submission is worth a thousand points

[@ec0n1n0thuman]

Makowon, your shutdown of J Dickinson is hilarious.

[@NoName-ku7xu]

I hate how he also keeps trying to say things and get Ryron disqualified or something. Like when Ryron shot his hand through the other guy's elbow when he was mounted on his back.... Thats only one example of course. What i'm getting at is the background guy is just trying to do what ever he can to get his guy to win, even if its completely unfare or BS

[@coolsvilleowner]

lol the brazilian dude talkin to him about why hes so worked up about points, wuda loved to see the narrator Marc Laimons face right as the vanilla monster dude tapped out hahaha "Points man, but the points---- *Taps* darn -_-"

[@kalikaputra]

this is some guys attitude in america, they will hate no matter what. Most likely his mate and him learnt from someone that learnt from some gracie, being a prick about the sweep, your mate got swept,dont need legs. dammm some blokes get into the rules way too much.

[@stephenyoutubin4476]

His buddy commentating should get a life,and shut the fuck up so I can enjoy the match.

[@RippedPantsss]

The guy filming actually thought Ryron would lose😂😂

[@simonyadig]

2:38 "Was that a strike?" - lol

[@cardinallax21]

cameraman talking about ref when he lost by submission

[@sirlord999]

“Bullshit points” “terrible Reffing” like bro he got tapped tf out 😭😭😭none of that matters when the dude tapped

[@xXBonBonChocolateXx]

Striking through turtle. I like that.

[@mansondevil33]

When your guy loses (by submission I might add), blame it on the reffing, that will change the results.

[@tristansilva]

Indeed I am. I personally know several people that had the same thing happen to them and they're purple and brown belts. And well i can tell you the situation even from not knowing specifically. Big dude raining down punches while the kid is trying to sweep them. As long as you are punch block aware and can control the distance, your set pretty much with any type of jiu jitsu you learn.

[@TheTardstrong]

...and this is why we have Metamoris now.

[@rgrapplerinoc2617]

The FOOL Narrating...you're arguing about points while you're guy is getting CHOKED OUT...LOL, LOL, LOL...I can't stop laughing. Every time I need a good laugh I watch this video. Narrator guy, you are tapping me out because I can't stop laughing at YOU. Thank you Narrating guy for making us all laugh.

[@hellfighter808]

This is why Metamoris is such a wonderful idea.

[@k.padraigokane1472]

Guy is like "bullshit points," but your man got TAPPED! DONE!

[@grkmt8]

Can not argue with a submission, sorry. Both guys did a great job

[@warbeats]

When Laimon won Ryron in a fight, it was timed/scored and all he did was get some quick points and stall the rest of the way. While technically, he (Laimon, the loudmouth coach) can say he beat a Gracie, in a more real world untimed, unscored fight he would be put to sleep.

[@migraine516]

Points! Waahhhhh! Points!

[@RAYRAY-yt3hz]

How much points was the choke/submission? The guy talking in the background sounded like he invented jiu jitsu, Good fight!

[@blainhamman]

Ryron keeping it real!

[@abbydavisjr]

Lol I love how the guys whining about points and at the height of the arguing ryron taps out the guy.... So much for points lol

[@bladelefusyn3337]

Could the guy who cared about points shut it...Ryron won by submission which negates whatever calls he felt were shady... They both rolled great...excellent video...bad commentary.