Ryu is BETTER than you think...probably

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In this video i will be discussing Ryu in SF6 and how things are panning out for him in SF6.
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[@jaserror]

Mura, keep doing the good work - you're saying the same thing as Bigbird is saying, but with detail and actual proofs. The biggest problem for Ryu community is basically the best players aren't using Ryu. Which makes sense, Ryu has a lot of new tools - he's not that simple to play any more like previous games where he only relies on crMK and fireballs. Ken has way simpler game plan than either Ryu or Akuma and Ken got almost no changes - so whatever works in S1, works as well in S2. And whoever said that Daigo should just use Ryu instead of Akuma, 100% agreed - this iteration of Ryu fits Daigo's bully you down slowly to the corner perfectly. Ryu's new tools compared to S1: - denjin charge actually usable (can now have more mindgames with fireballs and OD denjin hasho) - od fireball to SA 1 (so underused right now - imagine if more Ryu players can consistently get SA1 after sucessful OD fireball) - fHP is insane - so many things are possible now - chip damage mind games - this is one of the best things about Ryu, the mindgame he can force now with opp having to pick risky choices: parry, OD reversal, mash out lights - just to not block. - Ryu's trade combo is now actually feasible due to chip mind games and fHP (and Ryu's trade combos HURT) - light hasho is still a thing - that thing is a menace, not just for fake fireball, but also very awkward interaction when you can get a hit but have light hasho whiff (if that can be consistent, it can lead to more frame kills) - crMP is insanely stupid now - it's the universal tool for whiff punish, DR check, throw out willy nilly in neutral, it's anything tool now - and most Ryu experts are still not utilizing it fully - even his other not so used normals actually have good uses now : fHK, bHK (Ryu's axe kicks actually has some setplays now due to the bounce properties) - SA1 is 7 frame startup - people are still not utilizing this to punish. With these amount of changes, Ryu is way more complex to use now in S2 compared to S1 or even beta.

[@stormcrow5096]

This makes me excited to pick up Ryu. He really did get a great upgrade from season 1.

[@noname-fi8jc]

I somehow learned more useful combos in this video than all combo videos combined. I have no idea how your content is still so underrated ever since SF5.

[@noname-fi8jc]

This was a pretty damn good video. Now im even more hyped for trying ryu after getting bodied on akuma :)

[@THTB614]

So, I already agreed with you when you made your tier list on Ryu, but this convinced me further. I dont think anyone is really talking about how good Ryu actually is now. It's pretty exciting to see, honestly.

[@glenronyoutuber5524]

Soooo,Ryu,Ken and Luke have the same walk speed,back speed and forward dashes and backdashes...But Ryu is way Stronger than Ken and Luke!!..Yet everyone think Ken and Luke are better than Ryu..Well..not..one..bit!! Excellent video man.. Ryu for Life..!!!

[@returningwhisper]

He’s definitely being slept on, great video!

[@kakkoishonen]

He's a Ryu main but he knows nothing about Ryu actually. I was and I'm still a Ryu main since Street Fighter Alpha 3 Ryu and even if I switched from Ryu to Luke and Ken on SF6 for the first time I can say Ryu is way better than Ken and Luke today (even better than Akuma). I prefer facing a good Ken and Luke online than facing a good Ryu. He's just way too strong with all his normals. It's like he has a glue on his hitbox. And I don't even talk about his damage output... Even Mago says Daigo should pick Ryu this time over Akuma...

[@utteero]

Let Mago pick Ryu himself...😆

[@MCMuraFGC]

Find the full match here kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6C0hHxonK6rorssi=uDwc7STaaq29vzn_

[@commonsense9076]

Leave Ryu alone Mura. Dude was bad for 5+ yrs straight. Let him have some fun too 😂😂

[@MCMuraFGC]

I don't mind it all that he is good. He have been bad for long enough

[@danishiqbal2963]

​@@MCMuraFGC he is not really weak in past games. More like mediocre and average, nothing special.

[@VoidInLight]

​@@danishiqbal2963He was high tier both in Alpha 2 and Alpha 3

[@surtrpicks]

Commenting to applaud

[@sharpenmysight5954]

No this needed to be made because everyone thinks Luke is the real bad guy

[@superRVemacao]

Amazing video as always. Ryu is indeed a beast now.

[@remytortolino6752]

Honestly, Ryu’s only issue is that he doesn’t play the meta as well as the other shotos and/or top 5 characters. Pro players gravitate towards characters that have fast drive rushes, amazing oki, corner carry etc…Ryu is good, but he doesn’t excel at any of these mentioned before. All the other shotos have better corner carry with less resources spent, and faster drive rushes to boot.

[@CyranoForever101]

There are still zero results with the character. Granted, it is very much a new season so it'll take time, but I think this is a classic case of people seeing the laundry list of buffs and immediately crying TOP TIER without actually knowing what those buffs mean in reality

[@MCMuraFGC]

Semy just won world warrior Germany with him the other day lol

[@TheAce1183]

​@@MCMuraFGC he also won the world warrior Germany #1 last year.

[@GiuseppePaddyDAucelli]

Mura, your analysis skills are just over the top, your approach is simply scientific and that's exactly the kind of fighting game content the FGC needs. Thank you so much for keeping up the good work!

[@TheAce1183]

The perception of him being slow probably comes from his drive rush. Im still in the camp of waiting for people to actually win with him in major tournaments (semy has been winning and doing well with him even in season 1 so i wont count that just yet). He's definitely in a better spot and hes more fun to play but his problems +problem matchups have stayed pretty much the same imo.Ive been burnt too many times from seeing "Ryu got buffs!!! Hes top tier now!" Only then to find out no one plays him and he eventually shifts back down to mid/high mid tier (where he should be imo)

[@jpVari]

I play him and jp. He feels stronger than he used to be for sure, to me. He doesn't win for you though. people also don't realize Ryu has the longest cr mk... I'm saying this but I bet you'll say it in 5 seconds in the video. Good stuff mura. I feel like I'm one of few that enjoys seeing their characters as strong lol OH look at that stand medium kick! I just discovered it's value vs zangief and have been exploring it in other matchups. God I love this game.

[@blastarrow6562]

Great vid my friend. Can you please make a guide for new Ryu

[@sheefo]

Wait, I’ve been playing Ryu for half a year and took him to master, and still didnt know you can combo after stMP! Today I learned.

[@Kathlynn82]

Man I hate dealing with that solar plexis Now lol. As good as kens dragon lash. But yeah let ryu have some fun.

[@raulyaeger]

Dragon Lash shouldn't hit airbone openents!

[@utteero]

As good as Dragon Lash?

[@slimballs9650]

@@raulyaeger With the way it looks you’d expect it to.

[@cowboybenbop]

@@raulyaeger seems unintuitive

[@KingJinzo2125]

He’s good, but imo he’s still below ken and akuma. Akuma has a better fireball and better pressure, and Ken has a more consistent gameplan

[@utteero]

Nah BUFFED Ryu is the best thing since sliced bread...he's better than Ken, Luke, Akuma, JP, DeeJay and Juri Combined 😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@ghiidra__]

so true twin

[@fatalradius]

Ryu is amazingly good now.

[@LeeZard27]

The fundamental difference between the Shoboes stems from the damage they can do to the drive gauge and how quick either one can put you in burnout. Ryu is oppressive while he's taking you to the corner to have his way with you. Ken on the other hand is really only oppressive once you've been put there. I'm still kinda studying Akuma, so I don't really know yet where he fits so far.

[@A2ZOMG]

I'd argue Ryu is actually more deadly than Ken when he puts you in the corner because he can turn any strike into a meterless safejump knockdown. This is ridiculously oppressive and safe pressure on the Drive Gauge in addition to forcing relatively strict fuzzy guard timing from the opponent. Also Ken doesn't have a ranged poke comparable to the safety of Ryu 6HK. Also his DR overhead links into a heavy normal that combos into two special moves which like 3.5k before canceling into super.

[@tiongkiong]

It is more on the march up. Ken tool kits and fast drive made him a a stable across all the cast. Akuma fire ball that walk speed plus the tools, it different with Ken but it work across the cast too, don’t see hard match up for him yet. Ryu, fighting Guile, Rashid, Aki and Dee Jay, etc is unfavourable. Ken and Akuma handle them better. Ryu is at the spot having decent match up with most of the cast or 50:50 on 85% of the characters but struggle with few. While Guile is always there and Rashid is hot picked now. Buffing him a little bit might make him stronger than most of the cast but still solve the bad matchup due to his architect (he struggle with the character have better zoning than him and he don’t have the tool to force the issue)

[@Lyahrklol]

I'm tempted to pick Ryu but you know i main a.k.i and is her time to shine too haha but if not was the case i would pick ryu without looking back

[@Zades145]

I agree with basically everything you said, except his OD fireball into SA1 is super inconsistent midscreen (Capcom please 🙏), but in the corner yes it can be very powerful. I do think Ryu is a little undervalued. Probably because he genuinely wasn’t very good at the start of S1. I hope some more top players put some time into him.

[@itsmesteve1081]

Mc Mura is really trying to get Ryu nerfed 😂

[@MCMuraFGC]

Not at all, i am glad he is good.

[@Entei1482]

​@@MCMuraFGC lies! This is blasphemy 😢

[@shmixedNshmooved]

Shhhhh Mura 🤫 we don't need Capcom catching on

[@noname-fi8jc]

ultimateframedata is amazing also say potahto if you can read this

[@heroe1486]

All it'd take for him to be recognized as good is to have a popular player bringing him far in stacked tournaments

[@utteero]

I would like to see this...but it will never happen. Top players have better options, you aren't going to see 5 Ryu's in top 16.

[@GuruFernandez]

I tell my boys that I’ve been playing Ryu since the beta. Us Ryu Stans are eating good lately

[@JeremeSanders]

Ryu is my worst shoto match up as a Jamie main

[@JDPetersonFLA]

Ryu has always been good to me.

[@ramijackson3978]

Oh boy the Ryu down players have entered the chat.

[@markmessi9020]

Maining manon ryus the hardest shoto for me to fight. Akuma dies in 3 hits and ken at least wants to figjt in the pocket but Ryu? Fuuuuuck me im about to switch to bison for that and the guile fight alone 😂

[@utteero]

Manon beats Ryu in neutral. All you have to do is get close enough...Ryu can't zone Manon for long.

[@NeverGiveUp-hn1qk]

Ryu is S tier but it greatly depends on the player because he will feel like A if you haven't mastered him and only a very few players can reach that level with him imo. Ken and Akuma both are easier to use compared to Ryu honestly because of their tool kit

[@SHendrixx2]

If it depends on the player he isn't S Tier lol

[@ellguy1965]

Ryu is top 5 Forsure

[@utteero]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@WangTeSung]

Despite all of this, I still see no reason to pick him over Ken or Akuma, which is the problem as no one wants to play him. All the stats still have Ryu as near the bottom in winrates in 1750+ MR and tournaments. And it's not like he's common at high ranks either. He has some of the lowest legend representation.

[@odindarkll3706]

I've been saying since the beginning of season 2 that Ryu is going to break the game!

[@joseferreiradasilvaneto1415]

From a bad player's point of view, I think ryu is perceived as 'not good' for tournament oriented players because his "target combo" game is nearly non existant. So, their perception goes like "I cannot pressure the way other characters do" and they cast him away from dedicated study and elaboration of new strategies.

[@ktran2173]

Please delete this video lol I’m trying to master Ryu and don’t need him to get nerfed lmfao

[@McMeatBag]

Ryu was always a good character. Just because Capcom made Luke "better Ryu" doesn't make Ryu a bad character. And that's IMO what kept him out of big tournament successes. Why play Ryu when you could play better Ryu, which also happened to easily be the best character in the game.

[@utteero]

I look forward to Ryu's tournament successes....but I won't hold my breath

[@utteero]

Everybody talking about how Ryu is the best thing since sliced bread but nobody wants to use him competitively. 😂

[@bobbobertson3285]

Do you think guile is low tier then

[@utteero]

@@bobbobertson3285 I fail to see the relevance of this question and how it relates to Ryu.

[@bobbobertson3285]

@@utteero Your original message is implying that Ryu is not that good, justified by that he is not very popular competitively. Guile is also not terribly popular, only really Higuchi, KnuckleDu, and Caba playing him. So I asked, sarcastically, if you think Guile sucks too.

[@utteero]

@@bobbobertson3285 you have answered your question by naming three top placing players who actively use Guile competitively and consistently (I would add Akainu to that list). One cannot do the same for Ryu. A lot of the people talking about how "great" Ryu is somehow don't switch to using him. He's good... but surely far from how good he's being made out to be. This same KZbinr will talk about how Manon is low tier but will still keep using her.

[@riczz4641]

Ryu wasn't even that bad before the buffs. The only reason so many people say is bad it's because he is popular among new players, therefore newbies that are losing a lot are making their voices heard saying they are losing because "Ryu is bad". Weather is silver or master you will always see them play the same -Cross up light light target combo. I have never seen a Ryu that isn't jumping like a rabbit or a Ryu that knows their meatys or frame data.

[@heroe1486]

Man it's astonishing that tons of Ryus, no matter their ranks just have the same "jump + crossup + light + throw" gameplan, Luke and Ken are popular shotos among all levels yet you don't see this stereotypical thing

[@utteero]

Ryu has to jump because his mobility overall is bad. The only way he can navigate against faster characters is to neutral jump and cross-up. If not, he'll be a sitting duck with a ton of damage.

[@bobbobertson3285]

@@utteero What

[@fifonefifty]

Listen Ryu is top tier he is far better than Akuma

[@evalangley3985]

He is good, but he is the worst shoto. He has less opportunity for mixups and it is everything in this game. You need a trigger to be able to apply pressure.

[@kakkoishonen]

Actually he doesn't need any of that to win...

[@A2ZOMG]

Ryu actually gets better midscreen oki off lights than Ken believe it or not because unlike Ken, he actually can force meterless strike throw after L.Tatsu. Also he gets meterless safejumps near the corner AND his AA unlike Ken also gets midscreen meterless strike throw thanks to the better knockdown advantage from L.DP. You're actually underrating Ryu quite a bit here.

[@utteero]

@@kakkoishonen The fact that players find ways around his weaknesses doesn't mean he doesn't need them.

[@saintxeno777]

Hes proably top 8 proably 7th he just to vanilla

[@sf6288]

Ryu at least top 5

[@aweigh1010]

I think Capcom should give Ryu jabs linking into sweep, like in SF4.

[@bobbobertson3285]

Lol

[@intellectic9155]

Treadmills are better than _you_ think.

[@bobbobertson3285]

?

[@evalangley3985]

Mura, ANY special cancel by Ryu are vulnerable to DI unlike all the other shotos. DI is a reliable answer in many situations. I do it all the time and people lose their mind.

[@alexmaganda5827]

just like any other special from other chars 5head

[@KingJinzo2125]

@@alexmaganda5827nah some characters are more susceptible to DI than others, and I think the op is trying to say that ryu is one of the characters who struggle against it

[@alexmaganda5827]

@@KingJinzo2125 the time i spend on ryu i had no issues with di

[@ricniclas]

Start using 2Mp into M Hashogeki, is a pretty good DI bait, there are some other as well

[@A2ZOMG]

L.Hasho cancels aren't actually vulnerable to DI though and that's safe on block too.

[@MunaAzuki]

Mura we know hes strong. Hes just not top 3 like you implied

[@MCMuraFGC]

I didn't