RZA Breaks Down the Cost of Making Music

[@derektanner7144]

Joe was absolutely not gonna give up on getting his question answered.

[@BobbyTMF]

Derek Tanner ngl I wanted to know too though and he wasn’t giving an answer haha

[@WallyPDoyle111]

Also, the best quality version you can find digitally is FLAC24-bit/192kHz (Or ALAC...same sample rate and bitsize, just for Apple users)

[@WallyPDoyle111]

And those numbers play a huge factor for replay. Compare an MP3 320 to a FLAC24. You'll definitely notice the difference

[@Laocoon283]

Like dam bro. There is no difference lol.

[@WallyPDoyle111]

GigaTheyGotGiga there’s literally a lot of difference. Google that shit. And get some good speakers/headphones. You’ll see

[@MaddTurna]

The best way to support the artist is probably to go to their concert.

[@midnightcassettelibrary5171]

Yep, and hope that artist has a manager that isn’t crooked and robbing them on that tour!

[@roncur]

Or their website

[@Kevinschart]

if you like an artist buy a tshirt, keep it as a momento.

[@lloydhudson6463]

True, but concerts are more expensive now, primarily because nobody buys music these days.

[@AnonMedic]

No. Venues and marketers tend to be money grubbing middle men.

[@jaisin9742]

Ashy Larry interrupting like a mofo. Let Rza talk.

[@3dheadcreeps87]

Jai Sin - it’s the Marcy side coming out 😂

[@Ayplus]

HE'S RICH BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@fumbiadegbesan5571]

Lmfao he high as hell

[@jevdawg]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jilliansalas7785]

Jai Sin they let him be there doe, I hate it when ppl silent on camera. He can interrupt it’s fine w me

[@daniellee1722]

Next up on the Joe Rogan podcast: Dr Dre and Gilbert Gottfried

[@marioKILLEDyou]

Chico needed the money

[@MAYNOR82]

Gilbert Gootfried: “so where do we start? Oh yes...Ni**as In Paris...” 🤣🤣🤦🏽‍♂️

[@carloscasanova2759]

😂😂💀

[@i90sknd75]

MAYNOR82 That is a absolutely hilarious concept lmao.

[@stephenkarmichael4709]

Daniel Lee 😂😂😂😂😂

[@noahesills]

Donnell ruined this interview.

[@JHer-wd3js]

Fucking annoying

[@Astro201281]

I was really looking forward to this podcast but Donnell just wouldn't shut up.

[@tayclift5322]

Who is that guy...really annoying!!!!!

[@rja861]

Omg Donnell is actively trying to turn people off to a podcast he hasn't even started yet. Let RZA speak son!

[@dontgetaboveyourreason]

Yea that dud was annoying as fuck

[@mikelyrek1647]

RZA rambling about shit, and it don't add up.

[@bakerjaht]

Rza: "throw me 20 cent for that" Donnell: ".....20 thousand Joe" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@juniorrebel8479]

ale kee that part literally had me rolling

[@bakerjaht]

@Devon March had me fucking rolling man lol

[@shawnmkandla7892]

I didnt know he meant 20 thou for that, so im glad Donnell translated 😂👏👏

[@JoshDickens850]

That was hilarious 😂

[@bruhdabones]

James, Garden Mgmt. it was helpful

[@robertparaday9122]

Wish rza was by himself!

[@user-ul5gi9yw9t]

Don't hate nigga

[@IYPITWL]

are we watching the rza show?!

[@peterortiz1160]

It’s the joe Rogan show baby

[@robertparaday9122]

Talking bout wish Donnelle wasn't there fools

[@robertparaday9122]

@@IYPITWL I meant w out Donnelle ruining it. U know what I was saying.

[@innapinch7112]

Speaking as an old head, we lost something when we moved away from tapes. There was always the one or two hits they played on the radio, but you had to listen through the tape to get to them. I always found stuff I liked better between the "hits". I feel like a lot of people, especially now, just go on and stream that song from the radio. It changed music and the way an album is written. I've started collecting vinyls of math rock groups I like, like Toe, Covet, or Mouse On The Keys. They do cool things with vinyl now.

[@Nocsucal-BeatGod]

I still have tapes & a ton of CD’s I don’t even have a way of playing

[@The_True_]

As a fellow old head I STILL buy CDs, and keep a player in the car head unit and in the house. I want the musicians I like to get paid. 💯

[@nickcreamer6948]

Please edit this so only Rza and Joe are talking.

[@JabSugarAnderson]

Nick Cr straight up

[@RockStarInLife]

Someone on YT did it.

[@Vrunge90]

@@RockStarInLife can you link it?

[@RockStarInLife]

@@Vrunge90 Sorry I just did a quick search and couldn't find it again.

[@x310gtsx]

joe is like "RZA, please tell the people how we pay you the best!" love it.

[@Xplora213]

x310gtsx it’s an important question. So many places to get their music.

[@adammckenzie8769]

And he was missing the point of a great question we all wonder too!! Lol weed 🤷‍♂️😂

[@owenedwards9807]

He can't say or he'll get in trouble with his label. His label have relationships with all these services

[@owenedwards9807]

The best way differs for all artists and their deals. If bandcamp is available use that, otherwise stream them and support them on tour.

[@EsteemedBeansTV]

I think artists should try and just rock that Patreon style, no matter how big you are. sure it can source elsewhere but theyre tethered to the industry more than theyd want to claim at this point.

[@trentdogg98]

please bring rza back alone i hate how he was yelled over for the whole podcast

[@OnsideHaddock72]

Yung Yent lol i thought the same thing, i only let it pass because they are friends

[@mikelyrek1647]

Yelled over? You ever hear yelling? Shit...

[@KMXDS]

Joe “but how do you support Wutang Clan” Rogan

[@highrank8736]

Ironically enough Napster Streaming service pays artists the most per stream. Tidal is second. Spotify and KZbin pay the least.

[@highrank8736]

@@BrandonAdams1010 that may be possible

[@trentlong1796]

And Apple music is deleting music one buys from them. Had this happen to me where I bought music years ago they re did there tos. And now they can just stop streaming certain songs and even movies one buys.

[@davidhaggerty9850]

I was buying my songs from Googleplay exclusively for many years. I was using Amazon before that, but they weren't using a fixed 320 kbps standard at that time and Googleplay was. Lately I've been transitioning over to a French site called Qobuz. You can download your music in pretty much any format including CD quality WAV or better and no limit on how many times. I still highly recommend backing up any music you purchase by saving it to a device, devices, and/or cloud service. With streaming you may not always have a connection and you never know when they're going to change the game on you. That's what works for me. I do wish I knew how the breakdown of what you pay versus what makes it to the artist's hands works from one service to the next, though.

[@drifter402]

And yet the narrative is still that everythings all good for artists since Spotify saved everything. It's a load of rubbish.

[@thebigtimechannel9927]

@@trentlong1796 Lies.

[@wrapdump]

So what I’m getting from this is Joe asking REPEATEDLY what is the best avenue to support the artist, what sales channel, what format gives the biggest cut to the artist. RZA has no idea.

[@alex_pasquini]

I think he does, it was just a very politician esque answer. I.e. dodging specifics. He likely doesn't want to be seen as favouring one service over the other as they all are broadly similar. No point ruffling feathers and getting headlines like "wutang says buy from X" and pissing off others, when they are happy earning from all. IMO.

[@thebigtimechannel9927]

@@alex_pasquini Then SAY THAT!

[@LastOneLeftProd]

Because it's different for everyone. You can't give a solid answer because everyone signs a different contract. Some artist get a kick back for every record they sell, some sell their masters for a certain amount and never see anything else, others sell it for a few years and then own it. It honestly depends on the contract the artist signs. It really has no answer. Edit: hell, I've even heard of artist selling their streaming rights, and not making a dime.

[@io7812]

Tidal pays the artist 6x the amount per 1000 plays that Spotify does. Apple Music pays over 3x what Spotify does too.

[@RogueBoyScout]

@@io7812 Doesn't mean anything if there is only1 /10 of the user base ;) People really need to learn the math, the data, and how to really play game theory. No chess game gonna teach ya that, RZA ;) Remember ATR still making music on an Atari ST....

[@odeed]

I really wish they would just let RZA talk.

[@j2323j]

Just imagine Donnell on TI podcasts 😁😁

[@DT-kc7fd]

@Korvus I've never heard someone say so much, but actually say so little. (referring to RZA)

[@josephk6136]

@C B LOL so true though...

[@javisoprano1010]

Odeed he’ll never shut up 🤐

[@shadow3799]

Ill give you 2 cent "Thats 2 thousand joe" Ill give you 16 bars "Tell joe what that means" "A B C" "Thats the alphabet joe"

[@gastonphalange]

Ahhh man, that was so funny

[@Biggjuggs333]

LOOOOL

[@shimes424]

Yeah but what's THE BEST WAY to support artists right now?

[@mrtambourineman6107]

D M T (Joe's alphabet)

[@dannyjuchem17]

ahahaha

[@anthonyemmm]

Donell “I got Tourettes outburst” Rawlings

[@anthonyemmm]

Mike Dunn You knew what I meant😂

[@seldomvendetta1207]

why is this donnell dude even in this interview?

[@omgmazin]

The Rza was definitely right ,I actually would tell people this,for year's he's been a great producer and artist, much respect to him💪🏾🙌🏾👏🏾

[@geneiushechtic]

Joe: what’s the best way to support artists? RZA: its all the same Joe: What’s the best way to support artists? RZA: It’s all the same

[@wea_lodd9961]

@@ryanshah467 But who's actually going to a website for a single artists music?

[@princeparadox4289]

@@ryanshah467 someones going to download and rerelease it and make money off the artist

[@Dsaucey]

"without music your headphones is useless." lol.

[@silviofta]

Someday they will invent headphones that will play any other sound but music

[@Xplora213]

He’s correct! Yes you Might play computer games but I haven’t used headphones in almost 40 years for games. Movies?! Yeah nah. Music YES.

[@TheDirtymikenation]

@@Xplora213 you don't play any fps on pc then

[@Xplora213]

TheDirtymikenation nope. I just cranked the fuck out of my studio monitors when I did. 240w real RMS. But I’m not much of a gamer. Quake team fortress and SOF2 were my last hurrah and yes that’s back in 2002 for a reason. FPS ain’t my jam.

[@HenritheHorse]

@@Xplora213 Was about to comment this!

[@mckindarhymes103]

"Music is made to be heard" that's it right there. Shouldn't be more complicated than that. If you want to support your favorite artists more directly, there's multiple ways to put money in their pockets. Let art be shared and not made into a commodity.

[@Blackmenace7]

I loved supporting artists by buying records and CD's, but I stopped as soon as hit singles started being $7. For a single!!! And then artists started putting out 10 or 11 track albums with an intro and 2 skits on the track count. At $15 an album I felt like I was getting robbed.

[@futavadumnezo]

Yeah streaming and digital download kinda fixed a lot issues.

[@benbenassi2348]

this is like a 2009 discussion. Making quality music is very cheap today. Pushing your music is still hard. That's why labels (the financers) are still important.

[@TheDragster9]

One does not simply interrupt RZA like that 😠

[@gordythecreator]

ExxxzACTLY!

[@bruhdabones]

Vaibhav S false

[@letsgotomarsman]

U gona cry

[@diegosteel8943]

Shut up

[@Skrimtar82]

They peeps off set

[@bradharris1459]

"Without music, your headphones is useless!" All of them in the room wearing headphones and NOT listening to music. Nice.

[@1994Trill]

😅😅😅

[@Millisime]

I use mine for porn

[@patstaysuckafreeboss8006]

I use mine so i don't hear my neighbor beating his wife and kids , also for movies on the airplane. So many various uses

[@quasimoto5656]

Ben 2 seconds Askren call the cops, it’s fucked up you just let them get abused.

[@babe1er]

Ben 2 seconds Askren ummm do something , u scared ???

[@MightyPinecone]

The problem with RZA’s breakdown is it’s waaaaaaay cheaper nowadays. Back then it would cost you a lot to make just one song. You pretty much had to have a studio. Now, as long as you have the gear, you can pretty much make entire albums for free.

[@ubuynow]

Yea man, I support lots of artists on bandcamp and the like.

[@leatherwoodrc]

Some of the best music out now is from the bedroom studio DIY movement.

[@RoomAtTheTopStudio]

The gear costs money. Maintenance of the gear costs money. Electricity costs money. Releasing the tracks on DistroKid, CDBaby etc costs money. You can't make music for free, someone is paying for the electric at least and you can't release it to earn back for free as the service providers charge for their service. Yes it's way cheaper nowadays but it ain't free so musicians still need to make back money and earn a living from their art

[@simplychiseled4649]

@@RoomAtTheTopStudio Well Said.

[@RoomAtTheTopStudio]

@@simplychiseled4649 probably because RZA probably didn't do the Damien Dash and Jay Z thing and sell vinyl from the boot of his car so he missed out the experience of the cost of mastering for vinyl, getting a stamper made, printing labels and the cost of sleeves for the records. In the old days this cost added up and you needed to break even on the first press to make your money back to make it to the second press. Once you did this on the second run you don't have the mastering and stamper costs, I usually printed twice the amount of labels as I was pressing on the first run so I didn't need to print labels on this run so it would just be the vinyl press and the paper sleeve cost on the 2nd run and the rest coming in is profit. If that sold and you went to the third press and that was selling then your invoice book would be looking nice. Nowadays it's cheaper but the money coming back is a lot less and it takes longer to get paid. In vinyl days I could sell 10,000 records of one title in around 3 months and make £17 - £18 grand net. That was 25 years ago. 10k download sales nowadays isn't even half of that. It's approximately £5 to £6 grand. Takes longer to make the sales and streaming doesn't even make a penny per stream. Yeah I still do the digital but damn do I look back at the old days of vinyl and remember it like it was a license to print money if you had the hot products.

[@johnjoseph422]

Why couldn’t he just say “the best way to support your artist is by going to www. And buy it directly. Then stream.

[@futavadumnezo]

Go to concerts, buy digital from artist website, buy vinyls and ultimately stream.

[@flameoftruth1781]

this is what RZA was tip toeing around if he wouldve said that he would have caused riffs with his label masters...he knows the truth but thats not good for business we all know

[@robertsteel4848]

Ive held on to my cd collections for years even when i wasnt able to use them. As a fellow musician the art of music, behind the music, and how it transforms is a story, a piece of art. My favorite way to hear motley crue is on vinyl, hear wutang-cassette tape, hear classical-live. I think each musician should be each his own, with art the beauty will always find a way to shine to others.

[@jaeeph2882]

Joe "Whats the best way for me to talk over you?" Rogan

[@yessum15]

Actually, this was one of the first times i felt like Joe was getting talked over.

[@aidilmubarock5394]

@@yessum15 you hadn't watched the latest Neil degrasse Tyson

[@commissionhouseentertainme6815]

😂😂😂

[@daniel_najar]

Joe wasn’t giving up on the “Whats the best way to support Wu-Tang” question 🤣

[@881DAD]

Joe was setting up a “plug” and RZA wasn’t getting it. Was going right over his head.

[@SpooksMcGhie]

Legend has it Joe still has not gotten an answer to his question

[@virgiltibbs6971]

A simple “ I don’t understand the question Joe” would suffice.

[@ArcDevErik]

He understands the question. He doesn't know the answer.

[@Kharmatos13]

@@ArcDevErik that's what i got out of it too. or maybe he can't answer so he doesn't piss off streaming or something. it has to be the buy the songs and go to concerts and or merch.

[@m1sterFre5h]

SEE ARTISTS LIVE. This is the best way to experience music is to see and hear Artists Perform Live.

[@georgegaul5810]

The best way to support your favourite artists is to go and see them perform live!

[@TheChodax]

There is still a middleman taking a big fat cut, the promoters/venues who are now essentially the same people. Only those artists who are free to arrange their own tours, pimp their own merchandise are making what would previously have been considered an average amount.

[@clay_reznor647]

And buy their $40 shirts and buy their $8 desani waters. These guys have been doing this for decades. I found new artist through streaming. Shit, I stayed to listen to Japanese pop songs thanks to my $9 bucks a month spotify. I ordered a shirt from some Japanese singer online. Times have changed. I never liked radio.

[@psharalla6275]

“Learn to get good show money, that’s yo money” - RZA forgot to mention concert/tour money is such a huge part of artist revenue and income....

[@Madrrrrrrrrrrr]

P Sharalla and merch. Problem with artists like RZA from 2000 tot 2015 was laziness. They though the old system would do them good. Guess what! The world keeps changing! And if you are be creative, you can make money.

[@zacharywright5318]

I'm 33 and have over 2K vinyl and will keep collecting and listening. Keep bringing the ANALOG

[@umarscamartistjohnson1784]

Vinyls are way better than mp3

[@haxellinares3533]

Wish Rza would shut up and let Donnell talk

[@renegonzalez6306]

lmaoooooo

[@SupraRyu]

lol that’s funny!! good one bro!

[@stefanurquelle7736]

😂😂😂😂

[@Juiceish1]

More like the Other way around bro.

[@perryi7752]

I prefer vinyl. I used to collect albums. Nothing like having physical possession of something you bought.

[@ArcDevErik]

Vinyl is a worthless outmoded medium. People buy it strictly for social reasons. Digital is the only way that makes sense. Everything else is bs.

[@new.romance999]

Imagine no possessions

[@chrisstoecker7189]

Nothing like having the album on vinyl, CD, cassette...the desire for tangible things is stronger than ever

[@Nocsucal-BeatGod]

Facts. I still have a box of cassettes & too many CD’s I don’t even have a way of listening to

[@EduFirenze]

Now that everything is online and they can take it all off anytime, a physical collection is more needed than ever.

[@jerrodbates8480]

im surprised he didnt mention tours/live shows

[@JM1993951]

I buy CDs, because in my mind I can't justify paying for something that I can get for free. I can't get the disc, booklet and jewel case for free. It may only be psychological, but I'm a collector and I like being able to hold what I purchase.

[@futavadumnezo]

That's perfectly natural.

[@nelsonkiiru7252]

Me too!!I like that way plus if u download it directly and the appliance that stores the music breaks down I still got the music on the CD or vinyl.(Computers break down cause of viruses and all that imagine having all ur music in downloads and perhaps u haven't backed up all the data .)Also add to that u got the booklet showcasing the life and times of the musicians plus lyrics to the song.

[@TheChodax]

CD or Vinyl is the only way you own the music and cut out the middlemen who are taking 30% for digital distribution. Retail takes far less these days and even online retail like Amazon run with much smaller margins on physical media.

[@antonisatwork]

Also, not having to load up your computer to open and load a music program and look at everything on the screen including your last opened tabs etc... You end up multitasking and having a shorter attention span switching from thing to thing. Let there be a dedicated tool for listening to your music like CD, vinyl or tape. It feels good to have a good system. It feels good to not have to sit down and click and look at a screen when you could just slide something in and press play. Without having to enter your password...without having to see notifications. Just to keep listening to music as simple and mindful as it needs to be.

[@nelsonkiiru7252]

@@antonisatwork Yes that's another thing having devices dedicated to only music such that ur not distracted by other stuff.

[@demisemedia]

“The best way to support your artist is just by listening to the music.. aight.” - RZA 🎤 🎶

[@derektaylor2859]

I know joe was relieved after finally getting the answer he was looking for after asking the question like 10 times lmao

[@manicmurph]

I still buy CD's of my favorite bands. I loved going to the store the day a record came out and looking at the cover and the booklet and all that. I like having a physical copy if anything whether it be a DVD or CD or whatever.

[@pz4891]

You’re a dinosaur

[@2tallGamingMedia]

Sooooo he said music is made to be heard... Didn’t wu-tang make an album that only had 1 copy??

[@benlee812]

No, Cilvaringz did it behind their backs, they had very little to do with it.

[@zrle36]

Ben Lee wtf man

[@joebrown6112]

I know man they got a whole album of dope songs they sold to that p.o.s. martin skreli. Then that asshole thought he could buy kanye wests cd. Im so glad that mf got the max in lrison, i know it was about some bs insider trading but good riddance

[@sf7862]

Thers a wu-tang documentary on sky think it's a 3 or 4 parter it explains it all .... Most of th Wu got played buy some nx Mc that Rza knew, with that 1 album they didn't know the concept or what was happening ....very shady stuff

[@HighGainsDrifter]

I still love buying cds. I get them, put them on my computer to put in my phone. That way if i have those devices fail i still have a physical copy. Plus the artwork and lyrics inside the pamphlet or whatever I've always loved it

[@orangeblack1285]

I don't have a single device anymore that can play a cd

[@HighGainsDrifter]

@@orangeblack1285 i just picked up a $20 cd player from menards i think. It has blue tooth capability as well. Over the years ive had cds stolen and what i had was on my computer then my computer crapped out so now I'm back to collecting. Vinyl is getting pretty popular now too.

[@orangeblack1285]

@@HighGainsDrifter Yea never store anything you want to keep on your computer only. I Backup my music folder (all mp3 bought through amazon and backups from my old cd days) automatically into dropbox. If my pc or NAS ever breaks down, I can restore everything back without any issue. Same goes for important documents or any important file really. For the CD thing.. I also really don't want them anymore. They just feel like a burden that unnecessarily take up space in my living room. Stuff that need to be manually inserted and put back into their cover again after I finished listening. Now I can just trigger a song from my media server that is hidden in my cabinet from anywhere in my apartment. Everything is automatically backed up and available everywhere.

[@dannykiley1]

Amen

[@homegrownhiphop]

God Bless You!

[@Dilesmusic]

Someone smack Donnell next time they see him.

[@tariktyler]

The best way to support artist is to go to live shows.

[@thebigtimechannel9927]

Joe tried to ask that

[@Olando89]

Get Ghostface on the podcast!!!

[@nash06]

preach

[@805fillmore]

Rza having a 2006 argument bashing napster and limewire lmao

[@TheChodax]

Yep, he clearly know nothing about the current system, streaming is robbing the artists. Read an article recently about a guy who wrote one of Bon Jovi's big hits, it was streamed 500 million times in 2018 and he received a grand total of $6000. That is about 0.0001c per stream served. The artist is being robbed, the streaming platforms are bandits.

[@ZolYinPodcast]

TheChodax I wonder how much money streaming services make per view. If it’s anything like how KZbin works then you’re definitely on to something.

[@TheChodax]

@@ZolYinPodcast with a monthly subscription of $10 Spotify bring in enough to cover the artists fee for streaming between 1 and 10 million song streams per month. Now of course they have their overheads to cover and surprisingly they post losses every quarter, this is likely down to the vast advertising budget and is basically a business run at a loss to encourage customer growth, thus vastly increasing share value. Regardless of the economics, the artist is getting a very poor deal, actual sales of hit songs are about 10% of what they were 20 years ago. The artist used to get a very small piece of a very large pie, nowadays they get a much smaller piece of an even larger pie. The only artists making real money are those that can sell out arenas night after night for 2 year long world tours, thus guaranteeing them a better deal from promoters/venues. The moderately successful artists are having to do much more just to bring in less than they could have expected previously. The streaming revenue is almost non-existent for them after the label take licencing and distribution fees etc, profits from digital sales of albums are swallowed up by the distribution platform (itunes etc) and the record label taking the lion-share (often in excess of 90% which means an artist is lucky to get $1 from a $10 sale). This is why TIDAL was created, so the megastars could gain control and take a larger share for themselves instead of giving it all to apple/google/amazon etc and the record companies.

[@mirrorperson1744]

Check out the book Rockonomics, bruv spells out the whole scam

[@jives.]

To answer your question joe: Buy the album on itunes, buy the vinyl, then stream the album on Tidal. That is the best way to give money to artists.

[@SynthApprentice]

Shows and merch. That's where the money is for artists. If you insist on streaming, surprisingly, the best payout per stream is Napster. That's right: they're still around, but they're doing streaming instead of illegal downloads, now.

[@mrquestionmark7895]

Wrong! Go to the artists house, throw money at them and run away.

[@nickbwalker51]

There was a point where I literally opened my mouth watching this and said "goddamn joe shut up!"

[@contramachina354]

I'm sure that's happened to so many people.

[@lesurlately9311]

He wanted to make sure the point was made clear..

[@bruhdabones]

Nick Walker he wanted an answer; he was in interview mode

[@nickbwalker51]

Naw he wasnt in interview mode. I watch him because I like his interview mode but this wasn't it.

[@bruhdabones]

Nick Walker maybe not his full interview mode, but if you watch an interview you’ll see the host pursue the answer like a Rottweiler after game

[@matthewknight662]

By the numbers the best way to stream is Tidal. They payout way more per stream to the artists, and cost the same to use as Spotify or Apple music at $9.99. They are also the only service to offer Hi-Def streaming for an extra $10 a month. Tidal : $0.0125 per stream Apple Music: $0.00735 per stream Spotify: $0.00437 per stream These can vary depending on how big the artist is and how well they can negotiate prices.

[@ThrashRebel]

I prefer to buy CDs & LPs rather than digital downloads. I would rather have a hardcopy as backup.

[@dashwolf8057]

Why do you need a backup? Just download it again

[@ThrashRebel]

@@dashwolf8057, well in the case of a particular album I bought on iTunes, an updated version of the album got posted and the version I had got taken down. There was one song missing on the updated version that was on the previous version. ITunes deleted that song from the version I have. It is my favorite song on that album. ITunes deleted it and I couldn’t find it in the store, anymore. I paid for it and they took it. I want a hard copy that no tech service can take from me.

[@dashwolf8057]

@@ThrashRebel that song isn't on KZbin or anything? Torrent? Even if, that sounds like quite a rare situation. I guess I just don't love music enough anymore to care that much.

[@ThrashRebel]

@@dashwolf8057 it is, but then you are delving into illegal downloads. Why should I have to resort to that? Apple shouldn’t gank songs that people already paid for. A hard copy eliminates that issue. Also, most contemporary music does suck so I can see why you wouldn’t care, but I don’t listen to mainstream stuff. I am a musician myself. I love music, always will; it is my passion.

[@dashwolf8057]

@@ThrashRebel I support e-piratery! Have you ever paid like $400 for Photoshop? Not me lol! Okay, okay, how about this: download the song you like... And that's it! You have it forever. Or burn a CD? Anything but buy it! I hope your CDs don't ever burn... In a fire i mean. Just saying... Back in the day, "backing up" a CD meant ripping it to your computer.

[@mcgruff3309]

I remember when bands would have hit albums and still be broke because of the shady contracts the music industry would do.

[@Kharmatos13]

'would do'? they still do and it's because these dumb asses still sign them. you'd think by now with all this info out here that somebody would have developed a brain cell after all these years and to go into the negotiation prepared. but nope.

[@nickgoodlock263]

Yeah I still cop the albums I really like on cd

[@peterortiz1160]

Nick Goodlock same

[@oceanwaves83]

I've bought many albums after downloading the music and liking it. Nothing beat CD quality back in the day if you're an audiophile.

[@oceanwaves83]

@@mikedunn5426 right. Stick to your record player and cassettes then.

[@Minskeeeee]

@@mikedunn5426 practically all music released in the past few decades has been mixed and mastered digitally, so analog formats aren't really higher quality than raw digital audio files. CDs use lossless compression, which gives you for all intents and purposes full audio quality, while having the eases of a digital format. what you're saying is technically true for older releases, but the difference between analog and CD quality is far far less than the difference between CD and mp3 quality

[@buzinaocara]

Those guys are so ineloquent it hearts to listen to them. It takes them 10 minutes to explain trivial stuff that's been said thousands of times before that should have taken 30 seconds.

[@Lieutenant-Dan]

I think if available, buy their digital album/CD/vinyl directly from the artists website, that's the best way to support.

[@traplover6357]

Best answer is TOURING. Best streaming rates is Tidal.

[@JEANBRUCEnocturbulous]

At least we had the answer : GET THE VINYL !!!!

[@frankstadelman4483]

Music is art and it should be valued.

[@nevelefilms7336]

Vinyl baby! Never a question to support your fav artists be it seeing em live, mercy or just straight up delving into the art as RZA lays down

[@Helaw0lf]

Been buying CDs since I was twelve on and off through the years. As long as stereos are being made, I will keep buying them. And if there is a show going on I will attend.

[@FiddiTwo]

God i love when multi-millionaire entertainers cry poor

[@hellbenderdesign]

"I'm going from ashy to classy"

[@freemind5321]

I'm still buying CDs and vinyl, cos I own it physically and it's art👌

[@unclejuju12]

To answer the question artists make the most of touring and their merch, so go support artist not only by listening but by going to their shows and such

[@jbrowne730]

This is why I buy vinyl. 9/10 comes with digital download on anything modern. And it’s the only way to really own your favorite music and support the artist. That along with countless posters, pins, hats, tshirts, etc!

[@coachmikeyoung8332]

Damn Donnell wouldn’t shut up and let them talk .

[@ericwilson4901]

Stop cutting him off Joe!! Let him finish his point.

[@Sam_splatter]

Joe: so what’s the best way Rza: hold on Joe: so what’s the best way Rza: hold on Joe: so what’s the best way Rza: hold on lemme finish Joe: so what’s the best way Rza: hold on Joe: if I wanted to support Rza: hold on

[@mindmelt1111]

Sam Splatter Rza ain’t said shit cuz he would get in trouble with the industry.

[@darkkrenaissance42]

in Heavy Metal,,, the best way artists get supported is live shows and quality artistic merch ~

[@onelove1968]

Best way to support artists is to attend their live shows. Now everybody can create and record music, but everybody cannot create a captivating musical performance.

[@DrPhil-by7lt]

People mad at Ashy Larry. he lit though. this whole conversation is lit. just got to let it flow. they lit. ain't nothing you can do. it's not scripted.

[@DaveLeahy]

Jesus should have been the RZA on this own with Joe

[@arthurmorganx9465]

“Let me get 2 minutes of business” while seemingly to direct that at donnell -rza

[@chriscrenshaw3730]

studio time is not at the cheapest $100 an hour studios by me charge between 50-100 per hour and these arent bedroom engineers, these are engineers working in well built studios with top dollar gear. other than that i agree with this guys rambling

[@ag3957]

Buy the physical. Then if the star does something illegal, and their music is removed from the streaming services, you still have it.

[@danilojones6655]

I'm a artist I'm leaning towards streaming but I also like vinyl CD n cassette tapes the artwork

[@warnutztheloser]

Joe really wanna buy the Wu-Tang clan album

[@philu3]

RZA is the type of guy that takes five minutes to explain a 30 second answer....and by the end of his answer, you're still as confused as before your question.

[@wmurray003]

"You see... E equals MC squared..... right!? ...well, back in the 1700's in Shaolin.. during the true Kung Fu era... Zig zag zigallah... Arm head legga legga arm head torso... You keeping up with me god?...ok well.."

[@shottashabazz6721]

Your IQ is too low. I suggest reading some books. Maybe watch some Kung-Fu movies. The old school Kung-Fu movies. Then come back and watch this video. Trolling shuts down the part of the brain that’s able to comprehend. 😎

[@ericjordan6059]

@@shottashabazz6721 ... Be light on em my dude. They don't understand how we got down back in the day.

[@shottashabazz6721]

Word @Eric Jordan I admit I am hard on this generation because they vaguely or outright disrespect the old school and then I got to remember we came up different back then compared to now. For example if somebody clowned on you you went into your bag of jokes and clowned them back. Now if you clown on somebody they cancel you. I would go on but it would be a waste of time. I’m just glad I came up back in the day. The 70’s,80’s, and 90’s were the zenith of eras, generations.

[@ericjordan6059]

@@shottashabazz6721 ... Exactly! Those were the best times and made us the men we are today.

[@evrettej]

Joe: What's the best way to support Wu Tang? RZA: Just listening. Joe: What's the best way to support Wu Tang? RZA: Yea yeah Spotify streaming services. Joe: Yeah but what's the best way to support Wu Tang? RIZ: Going out a buying the vinyl or CD. Why not open with that? 😂😂🤣🤣 Rza is a legend.

[@SoloNecr0zis]

Dude speaks in circles naturally 😅

[@da_jeezuss8922]

@J L Yeah, what Rogan wanted to know was what streaming service gives artist the best deals, but I dont think they dont give artists themselves the deals. Im pretty sure they give the publishing company the deals.

[@LifeCoachTurtle]

J L They are literally talking about how the music industry works and how very little of a purchase actually goes to the artist. It seems like a natural question to work out what the best way to REALLY support an artist is. Of course the reality depends on the individual artist and how they sell their music. Eg, Do they have Bandcamp? Do they own merchandise rights? But it’s not a dumb question. It’s a question created to try and help get as much money to an artist as possible.

[@CrazyMike69]

I still buy CD's. I died when they said "remember the booklet" that's the best best of the album

[@walkermorgan1710]

I just wanna hear RZA explain the economics of it all and talk about the music. Very fascinating.

[@unicorn2040]

RZA interview is good. Should be solo. Dude is aggravating me.

[@jamalford961]

Rza trying to juelz his way through this. Basically this is like us having to tip waiters bc the restaurant dont do em right.

[@ZolYinPodcast]

Mantis Ford I honestly hate it. What’s it called? Emotional blackmail.

[@boondocksaints6620]

Joe “what was the thought process behind that ?” rogan .

[@jordankeyes8775]

That's was spelt sooo bad 😂

[@mrtambourineman6107]

Good one bro! Ha 🤣

[@mrtambourineman6107]

He missed one letter asshole! It was still a funny fucking joke!

[@franciscomedinav]

In the digital era musicians make much more money. The mp3 was blessing for the music industry. Billions of us dollars are cashed in every year in this industry. No one is loosing.

[@fromtheinvisibledeskofmiked]

Rza said it best 🔥

[@davidpowers69]

I got the 36 chambers CD when I was 12. First CD I've ever had. [Besides big L lifestyles of the poor and dangerous]

[@pz4891]

Rap perfection

[@jasonablah7702]

Best way seems to go see them live and buy their merch.

[@Supernova12034]

RZA trying to get everyone to buy his music but not telling anyone which store to go to XD

[@EsteemedBeansTV]

I really felt like this clip was showing a degree of out of touch. It was weird he almost backpedalled too like "music just to be heard" - and I get it, we have different positions on our takes. One as a father, one as a son, one as a friend, businessman etc but yeah idk..

[@tonoormusic]

Best way to support an artist is to buy merch direct from the artist at a show or their own webshop. Stuff like shirts, patches or vinyl

[@jdslens]

Best way to support an artist is by buying tangible goods not digital goods. A cd, record, tshirt, poster, concert ticket.

[@monstermind4286]

Joe needed to chill a bit on this one lol

[@kao380]

3:23 RZA: Ok lets say Meth say throw me 20 cents Donell: "$20,000 Joe" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@michaelcook6240]

This dude yelling nothing in the middle of other people sentences has to be infuriating

[@n5r15]

We're in the merch meta. Metal musicians tend to tell their audiences to user whatever legitimate methods they have access to to listen to the music. Then pick up some t-shirts, some posters, some vinyl special editions and check them out when they're in town next. This is how I go about it.

[@firstsin27]

I buy the actual CD if it's one of my favorite artists. But if I wanna have "club hits" or soundtrack singles, #1s, etc....I download.