S&S 465 CAM FIRST RIDE AND MY THOUGHTS!

[@tylerthrash3155]

Yes I think alot of people definitely interested in what a tank got you before and what a tank will get you now. Great video my friend

[@charlescastell4638]

Fantastic! Thanks for this; I'm right in the middle of doing a 465 install on my Sport Glide, and appreciate your comments and footage. I think I've made the right decision. Can't wait!

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

After I do the Rally this weekend I am doing a "how to increase mileage" with a Cam and a tuner.

[@tommiller8714]

I had the same cam (S&S 465c; full cam chest kit) installed in my '21 RGS 114; S&S 2-1 Sidewinder (catalyst equipped), Fuel Moto/K&N 3956 Ventilator style air cleaner, Trask M8 checkvent, HD oil cooler fan, and tuned with Dynojet PV3b w/map by Fuel Moto. Ran perfectly, strong & early torque, excellent power everywhere and great mpg (46.4 at 65mph, 2-up). For my new '23 RG-ST 117, I'm looking at the Redshift 472 and 468 cams (also considering not changing the cam in the 117, as it runs pretty well as-is, & fits my riding style). Already running the S&S 2-1 Sidewinder (Race Version, no catalyst) with dB reducer installed (for now), Trask M8 Checkvent, & HD Fan added to oil cooler. As I've had very good results with the Dynojet PV3b (for '21 & newer HD), leaning towards tuning with again, but adding the Dynojet TT-8 wideband sensors kit for the PV3b this time around.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Dynojet is definitely a better way to go.

[@stratolestele7611]

It's a more aggressive cam. Of course it's going to have more 'lope', 'chop' whatever you want to call it. Live a little man, enjoy the power, rev it, and let 'er rip! Of course, all while respecting the law. Harleys have that 'lope' - stock M8s, not so much. One of the great best to upgraded cams is not only to get that Harley sound and choppy idle back, but for the performance gains. It just makes rolling on the throttle more satisfying, let alone passing traffic, getting out of trouble, etc.

[@TheHarleyRoadshow]

I’ve got the same cam in my 2018 street glide special and I love it, I kept the stock headers to give it more back pressure which is what that cam likes

[@jamesmcbride1553]

I am going with the D&D 2-1 header pipe with the vortex muffler. I can’t wait to hear it.

[@kerrymcclure7503]

Bike sounds fantastic. It look like it was pulling strong. Ride safe.

[@kevincarnes7598]

I also have the S&S 465 cam kit in my 17’ STREET GLIDE SPECIAL and am very happy with my choice! You won’t regret your decision!

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I’m working on the gas mileage though. It’s not fully tuned yet and the mileage is not good

[@PotatoeJoe69]

"it's louder than I want it to be" Spoken like a rich old man.

[@roadkingrider6532]

Just went for a ride here in MO. 43°….I’m envious. Thanks for the cam review. I just subscribed. Researching the cam stuff now.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Awesome thank you for subscribing. I appreciate it. I will have more on the mileage in another video as I will try to tune the Thunder max for mileage not power. If it can be done.

[@roadkingrider6532]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 awesome. I’m like you honestly just trying to find something maybe stronger than stock as in last longer. Not really looking for power gains.

[@Roadglide117]

Florida is nice in the winter, but from May to Sept it's so hot and muggy it's unbearable, anyway it was when I lived there for a short period. Glad you like it though. Ride safe, peace

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Good for my arthritis

[@Roadglide117]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 I hear ya buddy. I have that problem too. I wish I could afford a second place. I would definitely winter there!

[@robertcurtis9449]

Great review while your giving it a go for the first time. I'm considering that same cam for my '19 King

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I have another video with the things I dislike. You should watch it. Nothing is free.

[@TheBlueBikeDoyle]

you 1st ride was better then mine I could stop giggling just got mine back today I could see my fuel gauge drooping fast lol but i could stay out of it . i got Chris Rivas cam 474 133hp 115tq and sounds amazing .

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I take mine in this week for my 500 mile Thunder-Max re-flash. Those little A-I bastards inside the unit record everything. I am determined to get better mileage. I lost 1/3 of my range. My guy says it should get better with a couple of re-flashes.

[@marvelharris9540]

sooo does it pull stronger than stock? is it faster than stock? you briefly mentioned it pulls at 3k and up but that sounds more like the 475 not the 465. Not a lot to go on here... talked more about weather

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

It actually pulls way down low. This was just my iinitial thought before the final tune.

[@red_j_ruff_wood6384]

Have you considered Carbon Fiber wheels? That’s an all-around upgrade by reducing Unsprung weight. You’ll get your mileage back with them too!

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I have not. I bet they are very costly though.

[@red_j_ruff_wood6384]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 Yeah they can be expensive. I think around $6K for a set plus install. But even just the rear would save a lot of weight.

[@Grumpyoldman60-]

Small world as it appears were neighbors. If you would like a map of some nice twisty roads out in duet and up through fort lonesome and out by ONA , I mapped out a nice 150 mile route with 2 traffic lights and little to zero traffic, It's my Tuesday morning ride I could email it to you.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Absolutely! My email is in my about.

[@jamesmcbride1553]

Hello, It's me again. I have been thinking of your video and what your thoughts were on your motorcycle with the S&S 465 cam. It has been a long hard road for me getting my bike tuned properly. I have a 2022 SGS with a 114 CI motor. Install the S&S 465 cam with the D&D 2-1 header with the louvered baffle. The first tune was terrible, Bucking galloping in any gear under 2K RPM's. Took it to another place and we went with the TTS master tune and the bike runs great, couldn't be any happier. I can pull around a corner at 10 MPR in 3 rd gear and easier into it and no bucking. I really couldn't believe a tune did so much. Now we will check the fuel mileage and see what it gets, I told them I wasn't chasing HP numbers. I just wanted what was best for my engine and a smooth ride. HP was 107 and the torque was 126 and a blast to ride. I am enjoying the ride now and hope you enjoy yours also. The Milwaukee 8 is a nice motor. James

[@jamesmcbride1553]

MasterTune BT Communications Interface - CAN 6 Pin (2021+) (Red

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I will have to look into this. I don't know of a TTS dealer in Florida.

[@jamesmcbride1553]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 not a TTS dealer ask your local Harley Dealer what they use.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

@@jamesmcbride1553 Thanks!

[@jamesmcbride1553]

That was the tuner my local dealer used.

[@dietmdew845]

Why on earth did your cam need replacement at 20K? What engine oil did you use? What year M8 do you have? They updated the oil pump like three different times since the M8 came out. It pumps way more oil now.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I have the upgraded oil pump. I was running syn3. Hardened steel is getting more difficult to find these days especially in cams. I learned that from the car wizard. It just bikes.

[@dietmdew845]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 Ok thanks. I just bought a brand new 2022 Street Glide Special. I sure hope my OEM engine gets me a little further down the road than 20K. Did harley cover repairs on yours?

[@FreedomRider1982]

Following HG .... ride safe out there, my great friend .....

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Thanks. My knee is almost fully healed from my Stem cell procedure and I am trying not to keep my wrist in the throttle too much. We should think about a ride this year. I'd like to see that RK.

[@darrenlingerfelt5879]

Sounds really good. 😎👍

[@swiss9632]

Cool! Thanks!

[@ridertrinity1617]

Hello. That's a nice bike. I have a question. My motorcycle is fltrx which was shipped in 22 years. I usually run from 1500 rpm to 3500 rpm. What kind of camera is right for me? 475? 465? Does 475 have a severe fever? I want to change the camera and feel the vibration and sound more shaky than the pure sound and vibration. Like an old bike. Is the 475c cam effective after 2500 rpm? Does the 465c cam have a good effect from 1500 rpm? Thank you for reading the question and please reply. Have a nice day.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Well, I don't claim to be an expert. My mechanic chose the 465 because he said it was for low end torque. I guess the 475 was for horse power.

[@ridertrinity1617]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 Thank you for your good reply. Then 465 would be good for riders who use low rpm, right? A 475 would be good for a high-speed rider, right? I don't usually go over 90 miles.

[@likebikes302]

The S&S 475 has the best lope and pulls like a Freight train. I have a 22 rgs with FM 2-1-2 headers paired with Khromewerks w/louvered baffles. 119/129

[@bobmoore2452]

475 cam is not good if you ride in lower rpms.

[@jstockwell73]

Why not just put in the screaming eagle torque cam? It would seem to be in line more with your riding style and other concerns, gas mileage, etc.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Well, it was the history of Harley steel. I may still do it however. I'm just not happy with what I have.

[@jstockwell73]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 I think the oem parts are like that, but it always seemed like the screaming eagle was made to a higher quality standard. But that’s just my opinion without any solid support!

[@Mr7ender]

I have the SE 447 torque cam , ....but what concerns me , is that the hardened surface of that HD brend is weaker compared with the aftermarket S&S stuff . I've already changed te stock tappets for S&S tappets , due to the wear marks on the rollers. ( 12000 miles !!!! ) S&S is the better choice ( and that counts for the oil-pump as well ! )

[@briantrone6413]

Thanks!

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Brian, Thank you very much for the Super Thanks! I have never received one before so I don't look for them. I appreciate it. A cool surprise.

[@602North]

Very nice. Will be interesting to see fuel mileage change if any.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I'll be doing that very thing. I will do a few rides. A couple before my 500 mile check on the Thunder Max and a couple after. I think the the Thunder-Max will help the efficiency of the motor equalling better mileage. I don't want to judge it until I see the map reloaded. Right now it pretty much sucks with me trying out the new power curve.

[@Kaegis]

Trying to decide on the S&S465 vs the SE447. Which had better lope

[@Kaegis]

Just ordered the S&S465

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I am not an expert but, from what I hear the 465 which I have is pretty drastic. I SE447 is supposed to be a lot more tame with better gas mileage.

[@Kaegis]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 Awesome! I just ordered the S&S465. Love some chunky lope. Wish I could have the 475 lope with the 465 torque curve. 😎

[@Kaegis]

The SE447 sounds gay then! 😂​@@HarleyGeezer1954

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

@@Kaegis Ah well, you said it not me.😄

[@loopertrooper6671]

I thought you had a stogy poking out of the corner of your mouth but realize it’s your mic. But I saw that and thought to myself’ this dude’s serious.’ Bike sounds good, trying to decide which cam is the right one for me. I’m really looking for the sound and that chop at idle. So for me it’s not really a performance consideration. (I have performance bikes for that.) I think my preference is torque over power. Torque is what squirts you out of the corners or makes a successful roll-on pass on the freeway.

[@tennesseebound6597]

After 8 months how happy are you with the 465? Not sure how much different the 475 would be that’s so popular

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Good question. The 465 makes more low end grunt and the 475 is for pure Horse Power up top. I don't have need for any more horsepower. I'm not into speed anymore. Just confidence in hills and carrying the woman is what I need at this point in my life. My next video is how the Harley platform is perfect for changing riding priorities.

[@tmac57]

⁠@@HarleyGeezer1954same reason for my 265 for my 2020 lowriders…..hills,pull out of corners,passing without kicking down amazing.

[@wskeyson3382]

I notice you have a rear facing camera and obviously a forward facing camera but what interests me is your head gear set up. I notice the mic but no head phones. I do see the mic wire entering your jacket at the collar. What device is it leading to? Rsmf!

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

I use a standard no frills omni headset with 2 wind screens. The wire goes to a RODE wireless GO 2 transmitter in my pocket and is then wireless to the camera. The camera is a GOPRO Hero 9 and I have the audio set on auto for the wind.

[@wskeyson3382]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 Thank you Geezer for the reply. So the transmitter eliminates the need for headphones? My next question (later) will be on switching cameras views while riding. Rsmf And thank you very much again for your help

[@bierutki]

Hey a rider in FL! I’m always looking for other KZbinrs looking to ride with. Where about a in FL you from? I’m in Lake county.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Well, I'm your guy. I always have trouble finding people to ride with. I'm in the Bradenton area on the Gulf side. I ride the entire country though. This year I'll be staying a little closer to home. My Instagram is a good way to contact me. Where are you?

[@bierutki]

@@HarleyGeezer1954 just sent you a message on Instagram

[@philipmilks6793]

Bike sounds good . Had cams put in on my 103 , love the performace but miss the gas milage .

[@Rollanotheronemyfriend]

Do you have any idea what rpm range the engine performs best with that cam? That would be good information.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

It’s fairly linear throughout. The 465 is for low end torque. 3000 and above.

[@wooddawg4868]

did you have it tuned? sounds smooth

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Everytime I take it in Dan looks at it. There are updates sometimes.

[@Red-jj3oj]

What slip on pipe ? Has a good sound

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

That would depend on what you like. I like a really a low rumble so I went with Rinehart 4.5s. All companies have their own unique sound and so do all sizes.

[@jamesmcbride1553]

The tune doesn't sound good to me.

[@HarleyGeezer1954]

Interesting.

[@jamesmcbride1553]

I should be getting my bike back tomorrow. I will let you know if my valve train sounds loud as yours.