S@X 376 Online Winners Quarters - ChunkyKong (DK) Vs. ARJAY (Samus) Smash Ultimate - SSBU

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[@mr.mudkip250]

That quad parry to ding dong in first match was insaneee 1:33

[@Tuck213]

Very hot stuff

[@fupalover]

Chunky does well with DK in matchups that DK is very bad at. Thats how good Chunky is. I watched him play in the box tonight and he was stunning.

[@emarythomp]

In the box? Is he in other tournaments on KZbin?

[@JackGilb]

I like how Arjay spells his name the same way that the bear from over the hedge yells it

[@nolanswetland]

cause with samus, enough just isn't enough

[@senorqueso6856]

"I can't believe that samus player used their projectile move multiple times during the set, they should have let DK approach instead of exploiting his character weaknesses to win. What an annoying and braindead character..." Yeah, try just pressing B and running away in a tournament setting and see how far that ACTUALLY gets you. Not a fan of the comments dragging down Arjay for their playstyle with the character. Online or not, they beat Chunky Kong fair and square.

[@jacksonm8960]

I agree with this. I use dark samus, and even when I hardly use projectiles, salty people immediately just say I spam. I use samus close-range a lot, and that's still not acceptable LoL Honestly, the dk kept falling for the charge shot, and the he could've easily utilized platforms instead of using up b repeatedly. That's why the samus kept doing it- the dk was being predictable. On that note, I think chunky Kong kept using too many risky moves at vital times, and he got punished for it.

[@timhiltz6323]

As a Dk main, I don’t blame the Samus for spamming. DK combo game is scary.

[@emarythomp]

Because the smash community thinks that dumbass go in play vs a character that’s you don’t want to go in on is entertaining to their ADHD brains. I’m a dk main even, but I understand samus camping with projectiles because it’s optimal especially when up a stock. Why would any intelligent player not use projectiles against a character who is best at close range?

[@mattsmith457]

Idgaf if you counterpick Battlefield and PS2 and press your specials, just please for the love of god chill with the neutral b into grab and rising up air. Ffs that is the least hype shit on the planet.

[@trip9196]

@@mattsmith457 uh ok buddy. This is a tournament where people are trying to win, not trying to be flashy and "cool."

[@the90stimemachine9]

I see chunkykong, I click

[@SpecialXperienZ]

Good fight!

[@HoytTheMage]

Its so satisfying to watch 06:01 absolute perfect reads from ChunkyKong

[@whathefuckisthis]

holy shit

[@TheScantraaxx]

Not perfect if he missed one lol

[@user-ep6dn8mk4p]

Yeah!!!! Samus baby!! Cause this man chunky Kong is a crazy strong dk player

[@joejagodzinski68]

People complaining about this samus fail to understand the game at this level

[@Rj-ij6ko]

So i am actually ARJAY from the vid, and i have 2 things to say on this 1) to the people that are defending me, i appreciate all of you :) you guys are awesome 2) to people giving me shit for playing defensive, i tell you what, you play Samus and Chunkykong and box with him instead of using your projectiles and lmk how that goes for ya

[@julienzakaib9744]

Watching the first two games in the set, I was wondering why you basically never followed a small charge shot that hit with a grab, since against a DK that's basically a guaranteed grab. Then I noticed in game 3 you started abusing that a lot more and it gave you such an advantage. Was the idea in games 1 and 2 to condition ChunkyKong to not expect a tether grab after a small charge shot, or did you simply adapt to the matchup as you went?

[@Rj-ij6ko]

@@julienzakaib9744 a bit of both tbh, i noticed he was catching on to what i was doing so i needed to mix him up

[@cade_blade6126]

Monke

[@royceisthebestrapper7686]

My friend is a really good DK and my other homie who’s just starting out plays samus, I sent this match to him to give him an idea of the kill confirm setups, edge guards, and neutral he should be looking for in the matchup! Great match, congrats on the dub!

[@lionelwashington8419]

Very few people in here a rooting for Samus and after watching this gameplay I understand why.

[@UltimateTS64]

Samus can be a very fun and pretty aggressive character if played right. She's got pretty good movement and has a lot of tools for a lot of situations, so she can get some momentum going and it can be pretty nice to watch. Quik is a better Samus to see what I'm talking about

[@williamz2597]

Honestly this was one of the more entertaining matches yet!

[@superxavxii421]

It's like people don't want Samus to use projectiles. When dealing with a character like DK, why would you not use that to your advantage. (Although I will admit, he uses charge shot in unnecessary situations)

[@mayawilliams35]

Yeah, I noticed how they kept staying idle a bit in-between moments when DK was off stage or on the other side of the stage. From I've learned, a lot of top players are CONSTANTLY moving, never being still while keeping their opponent on the edge. This match wasn't too bad, but I think this Samus main has potential they haven't tapped into yet.

[@sierramtmist1911]

@@mayawilliams35 I think he was maybe feinting the charged shot.but I have no clue what’s going on on this level of gameplay.

[@maxspecs]

Chunky was schmoovin all over but as the games dragged on it felt like Arjay got his patterns down.

[@AbandonTheBoat]

“... TO LOSER’S BRACKET” /:

[@daveedsun]

Arjays use of upsmash is sick.

[@SonnyJim173]

Everybody hating on samus I'm a banjo main

[@jesusteran8110]

Arjay you cray.

[@JPeg35]

in offline Chunkykong could react at the up smash and get up attack

[@lightyagami9278]

Damn why so many samus haters 😤

[@SweetzTheOne]

because do you see how they were playing??

[@lightyagami9278]

@@SweetzTheOne i understand but that dose'nt mean that all samus' are bad

[@TheScantraaxx]

Cause they suck ass at this game and cant figure out how to beat one specific play style lmao bunch of stupid cry babies

[@TheScantraaxx]

@@SweetzTheOne this samus was playing out of his mind , what do you mean

[@D0ubleMK]

Hell yea good work with Samus. Love to see it

[@AMx39]

Ehh.....this Samus player is ok. To many charge shots and some what campy. Samus is capable of so much more. Only a handful of cats understand this. The best samus’ will hunt you down relentlessly and go way out and low off stage and play an aggressive defense that walks hand in hand with an offensive beast mode. Thumbs up if you understand, hate if you don’t ( you probably campy). Stay crispy y’all!!!

[@adamramirez507]

That wasn't a samus player, that was a B button player. I always love destroying other campy samus players in a ditto while I intentionally not use any projectiles while doing it.

[@AMx39]

@@adamramirez507 yeah man! I mostly use charge shot for movement with b reverses and wave bouncing and everything in between. If I knock you even slightly off stage I will go after you and dunk you ASAP that whole shoot shoot, run shoot mayweather style play is wack. Projectiles have their place as well as charge shot but there is more to finessing Samus than BBBbBB, dash, back kick lol. Mostly every move I make is both offensive as well as defensive. Also, in my opinion, mastering the offense, defense, and recovery aspects of down B bombs with crisp movements ( B reverse/inverts ) makes you a more formidable opponent.

[@dsquarehead0175]

Yeah, not many wifi samuses use the fact that she is great at controlling tempo and has one of the best midrange finish moves in the game (charge shot)

[@dsquarehead0175]

*punish not finish

[@edgarustian3948]

You right. This Samus player didn't feel right. Felt too predictable with bombs and B spam. It's just that it's harder to work around in wifi. Samus can be so much cooler with her tech chases, bomb shield pressure, and even unexpected aggression

[@zaraguth]

I dont like playing against a projectile heavy Samus.... Huge respect to that brave DK

[@nothingloz9942]

They can get annoying but if you win them 2x then it shows you're a good player. I'm a samus Aggressive main btw

[@lucabaar1]

This match up is very risky for DK. You get punished for anything that isn't perfect and it's always frustratingly hard to control the flow

[@nothingloz9942]

@@lucabaar1 Yeah but depending on the samus player it can be just like how you said or it could be extremely easy

[@vex7839]

@@nothingloz9942 true, if you aren’t patient DK easily sneaks in and gets a free 50%, but if you are too patient he just does nothing, you have to find a balance imo. Ps I really struggle with this MU for some reason.

[@hamsterjohn]

Up smashes wreck chonky kongs

[@doot5456]

If you genuinely think Samus online is cool and fun to play against your parents didn’t love u

[@Gady______]

Facts their gameplay is mostly aids ngl

[@aahmed6167]

Sounds like you get wrecked by Samus online

[@DAMastAGamA]

It’s really annoying to play against a spammy online samus indeed.

[@kyrillosabdelshaheed1710]

@doot Play is a present tense verb and didn’t is pass tense......... looks like you need stop playing smash and study some more.

[@mcmudkipp]

@@aahmed6167 Sounds like you like to sit in a corner press B for 7 minutes. How is playing Samus fun.

[@aetherwarrior4640]

This game is so bad online . Holy fuck. It hinders these players

[@benji2135]

One commentator sounds like Joe Rogan

[@HydroCronus]

One of the commentators clearly doesn't like samus 😂 So obvious that your bias was showing. Huge props to Arjay making up smash look like it's going out of style!

[@GeorgeOneEleven]

Who does like samus? Lol

[@HydroCronus]

@@GeorgeOneEleven I don't get the hate for Samus when you compare her to characters like Toon Link, Villager, and Duck hunt

[@GeorgeOneEleven]

@@HydroCronus you're right, they're all equally cancer

[@HydroCronus]

@@GeorgeOneEleven 🤣 ain't no way in hell is Samus as bad as Duck hunt or toonnlink gtfoh. It's okay to have a crap opinion

[@latinajoseph]

I think everyone is cheering for dk cuz it's a bad matchup. Why would they focus on samus? "Oh looks like samus is going under a platform" "is she gonna charge? She is!" "Down b at ledge?!"

[@retroorigins4053]

arjay knows 3 moves thats why he lost

[@higgsy3873]

Lol my man killed him with dk's dong, no ding needed

[@squeaphily7325]

I feel like the up b wasnt being used enough.

[@RileyNiko]

my man getting ding donged in Ultimate

[@Ryan_Austin]

I can smell the WiFi

[@laffy7204]

Could have sworn meeting player with the name Arjay on Slippi Melee a few days. That player absolutely bodied me. Like, not like how the average player does outskill me, like absolutely crushed my scrub ass. I met a lot of good players so I don't remember that well

[@xcccx5]

commentary killing me over here

[@savagejuan8563]

Awesome set 🔥

[@alecholston7674]

konky dong's SHMOVEMENT is impeccable

[@chickensandwich9977]

These narrators are chill

[@TheScantraaxx]

Samus shit on him big time

[@Matter_Of_Fact]

Is that Ian announcing?

[@Ericspil790]

gg to both players

[@Novanim]

Chunky Kong is expanding more and more each week. Big respect

[@VenatorXVenator]

This is some quality commentary, who are these kings?

[@Gady______]

Ahh yess getting camped out by a samus

[@nothingloz9942]

If you can beat a samus 2X's then you're a better player. Yeah they can get annoying but alot of the rosters have projectiles that can be annoying. samus main here btw. I know there's some in online who spammed just to get into elite smash but they can be easy to read lol

[@dariuscarter4244]

DK ISNT SHYT

[@JackFlySN]

it might be an unfair matchup but you can always swap characters

[@dongzuyamishikong]

Donkey Kong isn't a choice. It's a lifestyle

[@mysquish1666]

How do I enter these tournaments

[@nothingloz9942]

Smash.gg. There's Meta Smash that ill be doing

[@ZumaZoom07]

DK needs some extended hitboxes or something, matches like this easily show his faults.

[@slatebeard]

That's the character design, he just has some hard matchups

[@HoytTheMage]

aight hear me out.. rocket fists

[@joseluisalexandermunozroco240]

Maybe more resistance against projectiles, a chance of heavy armor could be cool, or heavy armor against small projectiles you know like king kong

[@yoshikagekira1991]

Im thinking a recovery buff would do wonders for him

[@joejagodzinski68]

@@joseluisalexandermunozroco240 he shouldn't be resistant to zoning and a great brawler. He has crazy damage output, confirms, and decent data

[@samlambert9758]

How'd you get online to run this smoothly?

[@jean-philipperegnier8236]

The smash vip mode isnt more fluid ? It seems to me but i used to be so high i'm not sure anymore ahah

[@mcmudkipp]

I know Samus' gameplan is camp with projectiles. It doesn't make sense to push. But how do you even have fun sitting there pressing B at specific times, just in general not in a tournament setting.

[@live2die694]

Watch players like Yb, who play with the good blend of aggression and defensive play, yeah samus's core gameplan is to camp, but boxing with her is not as bad

[@frostatine]

Samus is not a camp character in this day and age. She is out-camped by most (if not all) dedicated zoners and can't really go toe to toe with rush-down characters. She lacks a reflector, counter, projectile shield like Link, or absorption move which puts her at a huge disadvantage when trying to play her super campy. She wrecks heavies, though. iirc Samus is DK's worst matchup. Samus is a heavy floaty who has to win neutral a lot and has a lot of pretty good tools. The character is really more about wave-bounce, zair, and bombs than she is about spamming charge beam. I don't doubt that online you see it a lot, but against the most common online characters a full or half screen charge beam is more likely to kill the samus than her opponent.

[@mcmudkipp]

@@frostatine Like there are flaws in the plan. And there are always counter-picks. But how much fun do players have sitting in the corner like the player did this game, ignoring the fact that its a tournament. Probably none. And other online samus's just see the GSP go Brrrrr.

[@frostatine]

@@mcmudkipp what's considered high gsp anymore? I'm pretty new to this game, only been playing (a lot) for the last month. I'm around 5 million give or take. Aside from teching, I have most mechanics down.

[@mcmudkipp]

​@@frostatine You get into elite around 7.5 million give or take. And being really good is like 8-9 milllion. I don't have teching down pat myself. But you can definitely tell when you are playing a 5 million gsp player vs a 6 or 7 million gsp player. Honestly if you are in 5 million gsp is because you either A) Have a character capable of carrying you up there, or B) Have good knowledge of the common matchups in quickplay. Common limiting factors is actually failure to adapt to an odd playstyle, getting tilted/desperate and doing smash attacks randomly, and inability to seamlessly go from regular neutral play to "Kill" mode without being really obvious, or by throwing out a random smash attack hoping it will hit. Limiting factor afterwards becomes missing techs.

[@yoloswaggins2857]

Online Samus is such a stupid character

[@nothingloz9942]

We could say that about half of the roster of characters lol

[@MoonlightSama.mp3]

Dead

[@jordandiaz7605]

samus online really do be cringe

[@fupalover]

This Samus doesn't camp.

[@jaleenbrown662]

I get pro play is a different level but I’d love to see some rocket/ cannon mix ups . They aren’t used too much and are actually rather effective . I’ve only seen the super missiles , not the homing one . Like these missiles are fast to shoot , pesky and quick damage for set ups .

[@josereyna4617]

He’s not a bad samus, but can really improve on charge up follow-ups instead of just shooting

[@maximilianomoreno7363]

That way to play samus i think sucks

[@empK]

In the first 15 seconds, the Samus did 5 charge beams bruh

[@TheScantraaxx]

Probably because its a tournament and hes trying to win?? Idiot

[@fyrexia]

Maybe the Samus is a range character and he knows that if he lets Dk get close in as a heavy character it can be bad

[@emarythomp]

Yeah let’s just have samus not use their ranger abilities against a close range character and create an advantage!

[@nothingloz9942]

@@fyrexia I mean if DK really tries to approach samus can just start the combo food chain so DK would need to play smart and time right

[@SinSeared]

Spam fest by Samus player. So easy to do. What Chunky kong was pulling off was savant level shit.

[@KonariVibez]

Omg, it's like it's a winning match up or something :O

[@SinSeared]

@@KonariVibez I'm not sure what this means?

[@KonariVibez]

@@SinSeared I mean that it's a winning mu for Samus. She doesnt have to do anything amazing.

[@cdose]

Let’s go chunky Kong lost

[@faded9581]

What kind of Wi-Fi sadist do you have to be to root for a Samus against a DK??

[@xpluslegend1525]

@@faded9581 LOL I went for Samus too (Both players were great) But only because Chunkykong is WAY better than him

[@Ryan_Austin]

@@xpluslegend1525 I understand rooting for the underdog but I feel like rooting against the WiFi campers usually takes precedence lol

[@TheScantraaxx]

@@Ryan_Austin samus shit on this donkey kong with style, stay mad noob

[@lucabaar1]

@@xpluslegend1525 man, you are a whole entire dingbat. Chunky would have had to read and execute so much better than Arjay to steal this win. It's a hard annoying match

[@arseniothompson7248]

His samus is so trash 😢

[@swed4490]

Then why did he win???

[@alibi_ssbu8192]

@@swed4490 people just think if a player wins online and their character has projectiles then they suck. Regardless of the fact this person got top 16/8 (can’t remember) at this event

[@arseniothompson7248]

@@swed4490 he barely even won! And I’m judging him unfairly because I’m judging him based off MY Samus game play. It was a lot of openings he could of exploited with Samus on DK, that he did not take advantage of. He could of won this match up wayyyyy more easily and effectively. Besides Samus has a high winning match up on DK. SO HE COULD OF WON BECAUSE OF THAT! 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@snipebeast]

@@arseniothompson7248 You're comparing it to yours, but have you won anything? As a Samus main I could critique too but respect to him for making it as far as he did and winning this particular set. Don't trash talk someone because you're a couch/locals warrior.

[@arseniothompson7248]

@@snipebeast so just because he “won” I’m not allowed to critique his gameplay? 🙄. Yea ok! Dude’s Samus is trash. And on top of everything He barely WON! This is exactly why people don’t get better. Feeling just because they won something they no longer have to improve. Smh.

[@ReeseWitherknife]

Even at high levels, online Samus requires a degenerate playstyle at times. Can't blame the players tho. But it's just depressing to watch.

[@MontageHustle]

This community is still a joke, yikes...Probably cause its too geared towards children.

[@bigdawgjrock8178]

1st 😭

[@cdose]

Ok

[@AssStretchum]

chunkykong is fantastic to watch

[@69stinkybutt69]

Projectiles make a good player look lame.

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

lol k

[@69stinkybutt69]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo poignant retort, my good sir

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

@@69stinkybutt69 Well what do you want me to do? I answered with an equally vapid post to yours. Do you want me to tell you all about how zoning is an impressive ability, because you need to make sure to stop movement options, streamlining your opponents options while making him more and more annoyed, thus ALSO playing a psychological game of slowly tiring him? Because your answer of "projectiles are lame" is not a good start for a good discussion.

[@69stinkybutt69]

@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo I said projectiles make a good player look lame. The implication is that the optimal use of projectiles - while skillful and impressive - is boring to watch. I literally main K-Rool, I know about using projectiles to zone and maintain stage control. I also think it's the most boring part of playing K-Rool; whom I play because he is, otherwise, a fun character. In Smash you "play lame, win game". Lame doesn't mean bad, lame means boring. Let alone that it's just my opinion, if you think use of projectiles is hype; bully for you. Additionally, your presumption that because my original comment was vague makes "lol k" a reasonable counterpoint is ludicrous. You're obviously an intelligent person, now that I see you can form whole words, so instead of attempting to lower yourself to my alleged vapidity, why not start out with a perceptive argument against projectiles being lame?