S2E05 Lofting Sailboat Frames for Beginners || Everything you need to Know to Build your own WR650!

[@roberthegarty5640]

Looking good. I am negotiating some shed space with my dad to prepare to build. Looks quite simple at the moment and as they say simple is good.

[@RoversAdventure]

I'm not really anticipating any really difficult road blocks during the build. But if I do, I am sure that they can be over come with a simple solution. Good luck with the negotiation.

[@MaShcode]

@@RoversAdventure This is exactly my philosophy. For every problem a solution. 👍🏻

[@brutusbarnabus8098]

I would like to give Mrs Rover a shout out. There are not many women who would live in the conditions that she is living in right now so that her man can pursue his dream. Very uncommon to see nowadays. You are very fortunate, Mr Rover. Not only that but she is helping with the project as well. A huge shout out to you, Mrs Rover!! :)

[@RoversAdventure]

She truly is one in a million and I know how privileged I am. I read her this comment and she said that she was "delighted and that we support each other and have a great relationship."

[@SVhardtack]

Frames are looking good. Thanks for the shout out about my lofting.

[@bournazianvahan]

I appreciate so very much that you prioritize making this process achievable for the average person.

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks, Vahan

[@toddsumner3216]

The beginning of of another HAPPY WAVE ROVER FRIDAY! Cheers!

[@randomtraveler3363]

Time spent in lofting is never wasted. Great tutorial.

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks!

[@tomwaite4594]

Folks, we are privileged to be witnesses to a future classic cruising boat which will allow independent sailors when well built to cross oceans and fulfill dreams. " Beyond All Things Is The Sea " SENECA Thanks Alan and Andy

[@karlanovakova220]

27:18 Listening to Bach Brandenburg concertos while making boat - what a relax.

[@prof.heinous191]

Not enough Bach on YT!

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks for noticing.

[@thanhxuankyuc6095]

my dream to build a sailboat is here... thank you master

[@RoversAdventure]

I'm going to try to make this as easy as possible.

[@thanhxuankyuc6095]

@@RoversAdventure I would love to see you at the beach.. I'll have to try really hard. great video, thank you very much

[@johndoudna7055]

This is incredible intensity of focus. Of course it is required. Still, it is some how magical in execution. Thanks for demonstrating the birthing of a project that ultimately supports your survival in the reality of ocean sailing.

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks John

[@prof.heinous191]

We're looking at an icon!

[@howtosailoceans1423]

Good to see that you are at full steam ahead. I was imagining the hull shape as you were stacking those template frames ... looking forward to the next installment.

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks Kevin. So far so good. Still waiting for my epoxy and FG to arrive. Transport and shipping are proving to be a big challenge.

[@bernardszirth9665]

As always- amazing precision work! Thank you for sharing with us!

[@ppm_1969]

congratulations, excellent video; I need such detailed explanation; keep it up, please for more :) Have a nice weekend!

[@RoversAdventure]

Thank you, I will

[@thecluelesspirate703]

Think the detail you go into is amazing can’t wait to see the next part

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks a much!

[@haighaj]

Really good and thanks for taking time to explain the process!

[@RoversAdventure]

No worries!

[@Notdave29]

Great detailed explanation. Should probably mention how critical it is to make sure the waterline is perfectly perpendicular to the centerline. I see how you used the factory edges of the sheet to accomplish that, making a simple measurement up from the bottom edge. However if someone uses a different layout for the lofting surface it would become vital to make sure those lines are square.

[@RoversAdventure]

Absolutely. Regardless of the setup care must be taken to accurately establish the WL perpendicular to the centerline.

[@Garryck-1]

Not to mention the importance of a good straightedge! Not just any old board will do.

[@peterforrest6682]

What a great project...and many thanks for sharing your vision and inspiration. Excellent presentation...

[@RoversAdventure]

Thank you

[@vaidotasratkus7619]

great episode! Thanks!

[@RoversAdventure]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

I was about to ask... "Is that you playing the Fiddle", but I just looked at the bottom of the description. And it looks like it's all from the KZbin Audio Library :) I must learn how to play the traditional Shaker Hymn, Simple Gifts. it's a beautiful tune and loving the boat build. (I found you when I was looking for windvanes)

[@RoversAdventure]

I wish I could produce music like that. Welcome aboard.

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

​@@RoversAdventure Your channel has taught me loads about sailing. when you have some free time, head over to my channel. I'll teach you how to play the fiddle... or better for boat life, learn the Tin Whistle :) keep the videos comeing, If I had the space, (my garage is a music room) I would have a go at your WR 650 I have been looking at buying a 21 to 23 foot boat. hence the interest in a Wind Vane (would love to see more on your design, to see it it would fit my boat)

[@dollarette]

Love the detailed explanation. As a computer person, I would have bought a CNC router and uploaded the digital design files, no measuring or cutting.

[@TheBeaker59]

Said someone who has never built a boat from plans I have built 3 now and plans are never that perfect.

[@nasseemmuttur778]

@@TheBeaker59, true. What I do is to make a 1to 10 model, make relevant corrections and make a new plan from the model.

[@malfunction8165]

@@TheBeaker59 You know what they say about a plan, it doesn't survive the first shot.

[@MaShcode]

“The best laid plans of mice and men, gang aft agley (can still go awry), and leave us nought but grief an’ pain.” Or something to that effect. My memory is also oft inaccurate. Thank you Robbie Burns!

[@stewartk3607]

Even though it's a year later, people should know that using a few different colored sharpies (fine point) will make layout so much easier. And if it's too many lines, just throw on another coat of paint. If you can, just don't paint over the waterline and the centerline. If you do need to paint over the center- and waterlines, put a small nail in each end of the line to make re-drawing them so much easier and quicker.

[@RoversAdventure]

All very good advice 👍

[@frederikhase5500]

I know, it is beyond the topic "wave rover", but I am so interested in Brian and "Spray". Are they on their way? Can we hope for a small video about them, any time in the future? Many thanks.

[@alexanderhall8458]

very very good info, thanks

[@mzungu4770]

I think your 2 days equates to about my 2 months lol. Great stuff Alan. Loving the build.

[@RoversAdventure]

You can do it!

[@graemesmith8232]

Wow, when I built my own 30ft boat, the naval architect gave me Millard's, they were 40ft long, just put them on the material to be cut and precisely marked our the pieces, non of this old fashioned stuff, much quicker. But still good to see how it used to be done.

[@Abc-kf4qx]

As much as I appreciate Stihl, you really need to be wearing Wave Rover swag ⛵️

[@RoversAdventure]

You are absolutely right. I will have to look into that soon.

[@labtrainer09]

Hi, Alan. I have lofted and built only two boats (8' and 25'), so I'm certainly no expert, but glued double 1/2"-plywood gussets on each temporary frame for a boat of this size SEEMS like overkill. Could you briefly explain why it's not? Thanks so much for sharing with us your skill and experience in this EXCELLENT video series. Best, Chris

[@einarquay]

Obviously, the boat is trailerable. I am wondering if the boat can be floated off a trailer as well.

[@RoversAdventure]

If you can achieve about 3' of water at about 20' from shore it should work. An other alternative is to jack it off the trailer on a beach at low tide and let the tide life her off.

[@Mingdb]

Hi, I’ve possibly missed you talking about it, appreciate you are a way off finishing, but will you let us know what your total cost is to build eventually please. Cheers DB

[@RoversAdventure]

Will do! In S2Ep06 I give an initial costing.

[@gbowne1]

very cool design.

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks

[@Garryck-1]

Alan, how much of a window will you have for epoxy work before winter makes it too cold to continue without heating the workspace? I'm curious because I'm partway into a Chameleon Nesting Dinghy build (hull is stitched, but not yet glued) down near the bottom of Australia, and although the Southern winter is now over, it's going to be mid November-ish before night-time temps of 12°C or better start outnumbering nights of sub-10°C. (12°C being the temperature at which my epoxy stops curing, until it warms up again. And yes, I'm using low-temp hardener.) At the moment, I'm still seeing some days where 12°C is the *maximum!* Until then, because heating my workshed isn't practical, it'll only be one or two days here and there where nights will remain warm enough for the epoxy to cure in a reasonable amount of time. It's frustrating because I'm impatient to get going, but at the same time am completely at the mercy of the weather.

[@RoversAdventure]

I probably only have 4-6 weeks without using heat. I will push hard to get the major work done. The owner of the boat shed is putting a wood furnace in but the building is not really insulated. I'll have to use space heaters and insulated tarps.

[@Robert-pi6vs]

Allen check out Sven, He been through hell and back and still kick making unreal sailboats in his life time.

[@RoversAdventure]

Very cool!

[@OneDullMan]

Highly acceptable to wait til end of November for final construction drawings. It is not great tho to see the build being down two and a half months ahead of that. Those that wanted to build along are not able to

[@RoversAdventure]

Thanks for understanding. I'm at a stand still right now waiting for my epoxy and FG to arrive. I'm really not that far ahead and the things that I have figured out mounting the frames (next video) and designing the strong back will allow you to really hit the ground running.

[@Garryck-1]

The nice thing about Alan being well ahead of everyone else, is that if any unforeseen problems, gotchas or other obstacles pop up, Alan will have had time to solve them and post the details before anyone else runs up against them.

[@Trevlead]

Ocean capable small sailboat. Have you seen this KZbin site?. He is building a similar boat( smaller ). It looks like he has some neat ideas. Thanks

[@RoversAdventure]

I'll check it out.

[@jasonmcintosh2632]

Alan's project is exciting and I'm sure he'll do a great job, but I'd like to let people know that there's a whole "sub culture" of people who build boats using similar techniques. Go to www.boatbuildercentral.com/ and check our their plans. They have everything from 10 foot dinghies to 28 foot trawlers (and many sailboat designs). I built one of their designs some 10 years ago and they had great community support for the whole process. It's an absolute joy to build your own boat (assuming you get joy from hard work). I'd be thrilled to build Alan's design and I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing his build videos, but it may not meet everyone's interest.

[@redrup1969]

George Beulher is watching from heaven

[@RoversAdventure]

Getting back to keeping it simple and basic.

[@con698]

I really appreciate your teaching skills in these videos. My current plan set is a Welsford Houdini but I haven't even gotten to frames yet. Love the fact your going with a stay less rig with a low center of gravity.... How do you heave too with only a mainsail?

[@RoversAdventure]

It's well described in the : junkrigassociation.org/

[@MaShcode]

Probably a dumb question and getting ahead of myself as usual but will you be assembling the final frames in place on the strong back using the templates as both a guide and bracing? A carpenter friend calls OSB, poop board. I can’t look at it anymore without thinking of that. Haha.

[@RoversAdventure]

Although some folks do it that way I will be fitting the frames and bulkheads after rolling it upright. These temporary fames are just to give us a fair shape. Although it may not seem as such, this way is actually faster in the long run.

[@TheBeaker59]

I would build that boat with construction ply you are using for gussets and spend the savings on more epoxy and glass.

[@RoversAdventure]

It probably looks better than it is in the video. It has big void spaces in the interior laminations.

[@Garryck-1]

Construction ply would be a mistake. It contains too many voids, which would result not only in weak areas, but also be places where moisture will accumulate, leading to rot where you won't see it until it's too late.

[@TheBeaker59]

I am aware of the voids and have now built 2 boats with it and have helped with 2 larger boats (30ft) boats there are different grades which vary depending where you are in the world here the best grade is called structural and its used to brace timber framed construction its half the price of a marine grade and only has a little more voids than marine grade. these I tap to find when the boat is skinned out and then rout and fill before Glassing the outside. I also use treated ply epoxy doesn't seem to mind it and I trust it for rot resistance more than marine ply. I also use CD grade which has one good finish side which I put towards the inside then glass the outside. I have built with marine grade yes its better but not twice better.

[@Garryck-1]

@@TheBeaker59 - Fair points, and I like your routing and filling method. Most people I've seen use ply with voids tend to just set the sheets on edge, and pour epoxy in until it comes out the bottom, then plug the bottom and fill the the rest of the way with epoxy.

[@vaidotasratkus7619]

could this be made in divinycell instead of ply?

[@RoversAdventure]

Not sure on that but we did talk about using COOSA board.

[@jeffreyny2la]

How do I make a contribution toward the build of this vessel?

[@RoversAdventure]

Thank yo for the kind offer. There are several links in the video descriptions from Benefactor's Bulkhead donations to Patron. [ SUPPORT MY VIDEOS - PATREON ] Head over to my Patreon Page where you can contribute to the making of these videos. www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=27... [ MAKE A ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION ] www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr... [BENEFACTORS' BULKHEAD] Make a one time donation to Wave Rover of $100 USD and your name will be affixed to the "BENEFACTOR'S BULKHEAD" onboard Wave Rover 1 and will be voyaging with me on the circumnavigation) : www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr... [MK3 Wind Vane Self Steering Plans] The digital building Plans (DIY), including 12 pages of high quality drawings, critical instructions, and links to 3 unlisted videos are included. The Plans can be purchased through my Etsy Shop by following the attached link: www.etsy.com/ca/listing/10004... If you are wondering what I've been up to when not sailing Wave Rover check out my other channel: Rover's Rest: kzbin.info/door/9k8... Wave Rover 650 Study Plans: You can purchase Wave Rover 650 Study plans through Andy Dize. Here is a link to his site and his email should you have any problems: www.etsy.com/listing/10654837... Andy Dize email: [e-mail] Thank you and fair winds

[@grandmajosephine383]

Would it be less confusing to draw out 1 frame, assemble it then paint over the lines except for the waterline, chine and shear then draw out the next frame?

[@TheBeaker59]

Its not that confusing in reality and the other lines show errors graphically as he said the wrong lines really pop out if not aligned against the others.

[@RoversAdventure]

It would slow things down considerably. One could use 6 different colours.

[@grandmajosephine383]

@@RoversAdventure ok. I'll pick up a box of colored pencils.

[@hoverboy3000]

@@RoversAdventure this is a fantastic question, and the answers informative. I was thinking the same as Grandma Josephine.

[@einarquay]

Has anybody here used Formply, a paper faced plywood, for a lofting table?

[@RoversAdventure]

That would be a great medium but it is also quite expensive. A much cheaper alternative is shop grade popular or birch ply, or even MDF. Having said that, the OSB was perfect for purpose.

[@Garryck-1]

Having in the past built entire retro video arcade machine cabinets in formply (not by choice), I can say it's not fun stuff to work with. Every single cut edge on both sides is like a razorblade, until its' sanded down. Blood loss is almost inevitable. It's slippery as hell to handle. And the surface is so hard that prepping it for painting is a pain in the rear end as well!

[@j.d.3875]

its gonna be a Roger Taylor boat

[@RoversAdventure]

Good honest seamanship and design are timeless and Roger is a great example of that.

[@nuthenry2]

are you awake the video is unlisted? also for your electric outboard, have you considered one with regeneration? that way on overcast days you can guarantee about 100 Watts of power

[@RoversAdventure]

How did you find this video? It is unlisted until Friday.

[@nuthenry2]

@@RoversAdventure it was in the playlist 'Wave Rover Season 2'

[@RoversAdventure]

@@nuthenry2 thanks for that, I'll have to fix that. How did you like it?

[@nuthenry2]

@@RoversAdventure it great, especially because you're explaining it for beginners

[@prof.heinous191]

I am hoping your plans come in metric to cater for 96% of the planet!

[@RoversAdventure]

Absolutely! The Beta plans are currently in both metric and imperial.

[@prof.heinous191]

@@RoversAdventure Rock on - thanks!

[@stephencifka4629]

Here's some lovely inspiration! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3nbdIZmacpojJo

[@asdfdfggfd]

I hope you and your navel architect decide to to a variation of the design with a sloop rig, like the original Wave Rover...

[@rickowens4397]

You are making molds...not frames.

[@RoversAdventure]

My Naval Architect refers to them as temporary frames.