S5 Firmware 2.0: Will this Kill the S1H?!

[@chiefjoboo]

Your graphics and animations are extremely well done. It stands out from any other high level camera youtuber.

[@BryceEdwardBrown]

This was awesome, definitely learned a lot from this video!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching

[@AllThingsFilm1]

What's great about your videos, is that even if I don't plan on buying the camera(s) you're covering I am more aware of what to look for in cameras I do plan on buying. I am very fortunate as a subscriber. Cheers.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thank you so much Todd for the amazing support and kind words. I try to make my episodes not just about the gear but also about the process and educational content. Glad you liked that

[@christophbrueckner]

Hi Sherif, I just switched over from using Blackmagic / Canon to Panasonic Lumix last week. One thing I didn't realise that I would need to switch KZbin channels as well, since the ones I watched before were centered on the Blackmagic ecosystem - but I'm very happy I had to find new YT channels, because I find yours to be much better at disseminating information! Your info slides are very helpful and extremely well made, and I think you are really good at pointing to what's important among the endless sea of information one is faced with in the modern camera world. Subscribed and - if I ever find another Lumix video user here in Nuremberg - I will recommend it.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

First of all THANK YOU Chris for all the kind words and support. Welcome aboard, and thank you again for spreading the word. I try hard to avoid just reading specs to my viewers, but rather share my analysis from my DP perspective. And the most encouraging is having awesome viewers like yourself who seek this kind of information. Thanks again

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Love your work, man! I can only imagine how much time all that graphics work takes!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks! Yeah I’m starting to be pretty quick with those animations actually. But yeah it still takes time

[@HasaanFazal]

@@THEDPJOURNEY are these done in davinci resolve? i mean graphics?

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Keynote

[@HasaanFazal]

@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you so much

[@elliotcrosen]

@@THEDPJOURNEY love the graphics! would love to find out a little bit more about your process as I am often asked to create graphics very quickly for my clients. so you are creating the graphics, wipes, and transitions in Keynote and then animating some of the zooms and focus vignetting in After Effects I assume? Thanks in advanced for your help!

[@chcomes]

always amazed at your explanations. Easily the best visuals of all the photo-video youtube community. I wonder how much it costs for a company to contract you for an explanatory 10-min video.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks Christian for the compliments! Really appreciate the support

[@omneyanoureldin3651]

He’s really the best! Isn’t he!

[@GeorgeNiksch]

Thank you for these videos. You have the most useful ProRes RAW information on KZbin. I almost picked up the Ninja V for my S5 and S1, but I really just don't think I will ever use ProRes RAW because of the workflow. I am happy with the 4k 10bit V-Log files, especially considering the size and editing time. If I move up to higher budget clients or work with bigger studios then its nice to know its there.

[@bradleyjpaolucci]

Exactly I just ordered the S5 as my first ever camera and I wanted that extra resolution when I get bigger clients

[@omneyanoureldin3651]

The more I watch, the more you amaze me, not only with the valuable info, but with the quality and technique of your videos! You’re the best👍

[@jonagreyphoto]

I’ve had the S1H for a year now and admittedly rarely use a few of the standout features on client videos that the S5 doesn’t now have 😅 ie. 6K internal, barely noticeable IQ difference. Kinda bummed with the latest S1H firmware update but still a great camera. I must be the only S1H owner thinking of DOWNgrading to the S5 and picking up a lens (and then some) for the same price. Great review as always!!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah when the S1H came out, I knew its not for everyone. I also mentioned it here. There's so many things in it that not everyone will use or need. So in that case, S5 could be your choice. Or maybe the S1 when its new update comes out in Q1 2021

[@asadsultan1208]

Just bought an S5. Very excited to use it and produce content.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Enjoy ;)

[@amweber21]

In my opinion, when the firmware releases, the S1 will be the real killer. Same evf/lcd, tiltable screen (no need to flip out when there's an external monitor), full size hdmi, same fn buttons, top screen, and nearly half the price. Hopefully it gets the ability to use TC from the pc sync port like the S1H. Another con of the S5 is the lower audio format when using the XLR adapter. Not so on the S1. We just need the few monitoring features the S5 got in the S1's update. Can't wait.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

yeah that S1 update would be awesome! Let's see what happens. Thanks for the comment

[@thomaslarmit6434]

What s1 update is going to happen? I am about to order the s5 because it has slightly more advantages over the s1 for 200 euros less. But the flipscreen, maybe small body and micro hdmi are actually cons for me on the s5.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Should be Q1... and usually they wait till the very end. So probably April

[@ricardorgomez]

Well done. As a photographer, I never looked at the S5 for its video performance as a plus. More of an extra. I couldn't agree more with your comments. It's a great camera to get people into the Panasonic-video ecosystem.

[@kevinforget549]

I'd like to see a value comparison between the S1 and S5 now that the S1 will be getting the same raw updates soon. I think the S1 is even closer to the S1H since you have a timecode input, top lcd, full size hdmi, higher rez screen, and less internal record limits (only 4k 60 is limited to 30 min).

[@nikky4757]

And it will record 6k internal when it get the update

[@aleriga1981cr]

I agree... S1 is the real S1H killer

[@ParikshitBhujbal]

However S1 has paid update whereas those were FREE in the S5 from the get go!

[@nikky4757]

@@ParikshitBhujbal s1 will record 6k internal

[@FabledFew]

So, there's supposed to be an update, quite similar to the one for S5, coming to the S1 in early 2021. Enabling 5.9K Raw video output, and a host of 10bit modes internally. At that point, you get all the high-resolution LCD/EVF advantages of the S1H and the full HDMI output in a relatively smaller body, and $1300 (if you count the $200 VLOG upgrade) cheaper. I think what Panasonic is doing is great, and even though they're blurring the line between their models, it means you can feel comfortable choosing any of their cameras, knowing that internally, they're all extremely capable, and there isn't much compromise.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yes true... this update will make S1 owners happy since they felt left out now.

[@davidsanchez1]

This man is a masterpiece.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Cheers thanks! I’m flattered

[@GlennUpgraded]

Killer content!!! Really love how you discuss these things so well-detailed.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Cheers Glenn... thanks

[@JediCollective]

Glad to come across your informative channel, expertly explained and edited, thank you!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks again for commenting with such awesome compliments

[@TheProVideo]

Great video but i got my Sony A7sIII and my Ninja V monitor . I tested and there’s a quality difference between Raw and Proress 422. I still waiting for video 60Fps and slow motion 60fps Difference. Technically it is looks okey but not the all time .

[@ryansulak]

whats the difference? and how big of the difference would the footage be if you just wanted to record internally?

[@davidp158]

Great review! I’ve been seriously considering the S1H, but while the S5 update makes it a compelling alternative, the mini HDMI is an epic failure on Panasonic’s part. I’ve had 2 mini and 1 micro HDMI ports fail on me, and I’m hard pressed to ever buy another product that uses them again. So close, and yet so far.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah I know what you mean... but you just need an HDMI lock and you’re set. But yeah, it’s annoying

[@sinanaydn7907]

I mean, I really didn't have any micro hdmi fail on me. Also, just get a hdmi lock and you're all set. I don't think not getting a cage and a lock with the S5 that still weighs less and takes less space makes more sense than getting the s1h that also costs like 1.6 times more than the s5 with the cage and lock.

[@CharlieGreenberg]

So great video! Learned so much from it! Thanks!

[@KETANORANA]

Hi Sherif, i had this going on my mind for quite some time. I am looking for a B-cam for my BMPCC 6K and from a Davinci Resolve workflow perspective....Now that all s5, s1 and s1h can record braw externally with Blackmagic Video Assist....which one would you recommend? I was preferring to not go for BMPCC 4k/6k pro as of now and choose one of Lumix cameras as there are few obvious advantages of having a Hybrid camera as a B-cam. It would be great of you could help me make this decision as you own and have worked on almost each camera mentioned. Thanks in advance :)

[@joyoffilming9500]

Again, a great camera review! If I had to chose today between an S1H (which I bought in early summer) and the S5 - puh, difficult to say. Will I be angry about having made a wrong decision? No, not at all - because this is what one calls technical innovation. And, I am so glad to see Panasonic S-series to innovate such rapidly because it will attract more buyers and make the S-series stronger in the market, in return driving more lenses and more innovation to come. I can imagine that a nice S5 setup in conjuction with one of those new Apple M1 computers and Davinci Resolve V17 can make a small budgets professional filming setup many people have been dreaming of just a few years ago. Thanks for sharing this valuable insights, ideally helping more people to go for a Panasonic S-series camera! Just for the records: I have no personal connection with Panasonic, instead having been a fanatic Nikonista for taking stills over a couple of years.

[@JoaoSilva22222]

I notice how intelligent you are not only by the reviews, but also by prefering the quality of Lumix cameras over the competition and declaring that grading is done before post production.

[@MagdaKHindia]

I barely started eating my popcorn and your video was done?? Haha thank you for the great content!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Hahahaa... yeah a short 10min

[@freddoflintstono9321]

Just FYI, Panasonic released 2.1 on Dec 22 to fix a small problem with TouchFocus. Excellent informative video, thanks.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks for the info! And thanks for watching

[@UpperVIP]

Yes another review that has totally SMASHED it in quality, content and tehcnical expertise terms ... BRAVO AGAIN!!!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Glad you enjoyed it... MUCH APPRECIATED

[@vitalilisau6181]

S1H having active sensor cooling should have lower noise than passive S5. Some telescopes in space had liquid helium cooling for lowering noise.

[@gopolarisstudio]

this is cool

[@SamEmilio2]

I've been thinking about this since learning about the relationship between image noise and heat, and am interested to see if anyone does a comparison to confirm your theory - especially when you think about the record time limitations of each camera in the S line and the correlation between those limits and size/cooling

[@vitalilisau6181]

@@SamEmilio2 I found some scientific paper regarding noise per pixel. In short, changing sensor temperature from -20C to +25C increases noise of CCD sensor 50 times ("Nominal dark current values at several temperatures for a sample CCD sensor"). www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=10773

[@cosmincimil]

Just saved me 2k, thank you. Still concerned about that micro HDMI, but will pray before shooting.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks for watching.. you can Pray or just buy a cage with HDMI lock

[@paulbvid]

Small rig with the hdmi lock is reliable. I’ve been using on a gimbal

[@Photographicelements]

Great video! I love the update. I wish the S1H had an SDI port, but maybe Panasonic is waiting to release a box camera version of the S1H with all the ports we need, which would be the perfect camera sans viewfinder. Also, if the BS1H (box camera S1H) would need to record Raw internally to be the perfect camera). Thanks again! Always appreciate your videos and the tech specs simplified explanations! Wishing you all the best!

[@laurenthenry]

Your content is high quality ! Thanks for the effort you put in those detailed reviews. Gerald Undone quality but with better animations and editing ! Keep going mate !!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks Laurent... very flattering comment

[@kozykev]

Fast forward, we have the S5 II X coming out now, almost making me regret my S1H purchase ...

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah S1H is a museum piece at this moment

[@lifeshare7026]

Lots of information here , I never hear such information in a single video so I subscribe your channel. Thanks you.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Really happy you liked it. Welcome aboard

[@marcopervo]

Thank you for another video with clear and concise information.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

My Absolute pleasure... thanks for watching

[@TexpatOTG]

I think Panasonic makes amazing cameras, but until they abandon their 2010 AF ... I'm not going to buy anything from Panasonic. I usually shoot alone and don't try to eliminate or automate as many tasks as possible to simplify my shooting. If Panasonic ever has 2021 AF, I would certainly be a serious S5 prospect. Great show as usual.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

I totally hear you and know how you feel. I've been begging them publicly and I really hope 2021 is the year for Phase AF for Panasonic

[@TexpatOTG]

@@THEDPJOURNEY Maybe more begging will help, an email is on the way.

[@ParikshitBhujbal]

Torn between the S5 and Xt4. Both are such fantastic cameras! :S

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yup

[@KeithSklower]

Not to be critical, in your comparison between the S5 and S1H, you gave timecode in/out as an advantage for the S1H, but if you're going to buy a Ninja V, you can get a timecode module that fits between the battery and back of the Ninja for $150. (I have all 3 of the S1, S1R and S1H for complicated and historical reasons... I record chamber music concerts, and my client wants to get multiple view angles so I've used all 3 in a couple of shoots.)

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yes you’re absolutely right

[@colorsigma101]

N1 & Well done as usual Sherif ! The more i think about it the more i see the ninja V as mandatory in our bags ! I mean you can rent all these tiny cameras with a standard zoom for tiny prices per day and still get raw, Atomos nailed something. Your value demonstration is a hammer in the FF realm, besides the P6K that is S35.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

yeah I honestly bought myself a second Ninja actually.... making use of the Black Friday promotions. Agree on everything you said

[@creativecarrots]

Another great informative video coming from first-hand experience. Thanks a lot for that! I'm in the process a buying a new camera for documentary work and leaning heavily towards S5..

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Glad it was helpful! Yeah I would choose it honestly for nifty documentary setup

[@creativecarrots]

@@THEDPJOURNEY Great, thanks!

[@marinrealestatephotography]

Thanks for the video. Well... if one can wait until sometime in the first half of 2021, the S1 should have pretty much all of the video features of the S5 (plus time code and a full-size HDMI port). I don't know if the S5 has 5.9K internal h.264 or not, but it looks like the S1 is slated to have it. Maybe it will require CFast cards??? Out of curiosity, can the S5 record high frame rates in ProRes (NOT ProRes RAW) to the Ninja V without using the S&Q mode? Unfortunately the quality of the S&Q modes on the S5 and S1 are pretty bad.

[@AdamLoboTV]

Hey man, great video as usual, I have a hugely important question to ask since I never got an answer elsewhere. So I have the A7siii and am able to record with the Ninja V to do ProRes RAW, since the S5 has ProRes RAW now too, resolution aside, would it be the same image quality in terms of grading it In post and dynamic range since both the A7siii and the S5 records at ProRes RAW? Really hoping for an answer on this, then I can make a purchase decision accordingly, thanks man 🙂

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Hey Adam, well... Dynamic range is very similar in both cams. To be clear, dynamic range in internal compressed and external RAW are identical in the same camera. People think Raw will offer more DR, which is absolutely not true. As for the image quality.... I'm about to release the Part 2 of my A7SIII Prores Raw analysis... which might answer some of your questions. I will also compare both A7 and S1H/S5 in another episode coming later... But generally speaking, those are 2 completely different sensors, so they perform differently when it comes to colors, noise, etc... I can't tell you which one is better since it's a very subjective opinion. A7S3 is more orange, while S5 is more Magenta. S5 will have less visible noise in low ISO based on a very initial test I conducted with 6K. My advise is to try it honestly. or tell me what you're looking for and I might be able to recommend a camera for that.

[@AdamLoboTV]

The DP Journey Hey mate, thank you so much for your full explanation my friend, I also have the Pocket 6k and I am having troubles matching the colours with BRAW and ProRes RAW, that’s why I asked as I am stuck on how I match those

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah matching different sensors looks is not the easiest task... you’re not alone in this. There are apps and plugins that can help. But the ideal is just buying same cameras or at least using the same log profile from the cameras of the same brand

[@AdamLoboTV]

The DP Journey Yeah, that is indeed the ideal situation, oh well, thanks again for answering man and looking forward to your future videos my friend 🙂

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

My pleasure. Happy to have you onboard

[@stefanoferrari5619]

When you look at other camera manufacturer you always have to choose the option with less crippled features, Panasonic instead offers you so much in every model that you don't even know which one is the best anymore! The S5 is really a nice camera for its size and price range

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah very true

[@ADVTRV]

Finally a camera worthy of its price/features + hoping to buy it soon.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Best value for money I’d say so far

[@ADVTRV]

@@THEDPJOURNEY your channel definitely adds value to all who aspire to become a filmmaker ! Purchasing the right tool for ones need is tough enough ! considering we are spoilt for choice. Budget playing a key 🔑 differentiator. Special note of thanks 🙏🏻 for an insightful review 👍🏻

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thank you so much for kind compliments. And yes, we’re spoiled for choice these days. Great time to be a filmmaker

[@dan_scotty242]

nice video 😍, I wanted to know, do you absolutely need to shoot raw to make professional movie? or the s5 is enough

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Absolutely not! Emmanuel Lubezki just shot a commercial short with the iPhone 12... Also another very well shot film "Snowbrawl" was also shot on iPhone 11 by David Leitch. Both Hollywood grade filmmakers... and both using phones and making them look beyond great! it's all about you and how you work around the tools you have, and make the best out of them.

[@pixelcityart3554]

Very very exciting information. How will the new S1 firmware and the 2021 update stack up against these cameras? I’m strongly considering the S1. Very informative video as always thanks!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

We shall see... I'll try and get my hands on one and compare them

[@ThePistonPit]

@@THEDPJOURNEY did that update come to the s1?

[@xrayhk2013]

Professional review with excellent video quality and effect. Great work !👍🏿 You have my respect and subscribe

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thank you so much for the compliments! And welcome aboard

[@coreylee9794]

The thing about the screen and hdmi. If you have hdmi connected, chances are, you'll be using a monitor anyway and the flippy screen will become less of a concern to use.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yes. That was my point that I mentioned

[@DavidGriffin]

I think you answered a big question of mine in another video... That being if Pro Res is an "All-I" codec. With this in mind... If I go full frame... I'll go with 3 of these.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Good choice David

[@DavidGriffin]

@@THEDPJOURNEY only super problem I have is why Netflix hasn't certified this camera... But has certified the BGH1

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

There no All-I here

[@DavidGriffin]

@@THEDPJOURNEY if I were to use an Atomos Ninja V and film in Pro Res... Isn't Pro Res an All-Intra codec? (As in it records all frames of a shot without interpolation.) Or is that aspect handled inside the camera only

[@Arkadiusz4321]

I've just ordered S1, I was considering s5 too, but you made me be sure of my decistion cos of that micro hdmi blocking the tilting screen. I use my smallhd all the time, so with S1 it will work good.

[@DineshBhadwal]

Why would you take that screen out if you are using an external monitor? Just curious.

[@GudieveNing]

Been using the S1H for a few days. Last Panasonic was a GX8. The articulating view finder on the GX8 was invaluable, and likewise, the way the display on the S1H can flip up as an alternative to protruding from the side, (Sony style), reduces neck/back ache from looking through the viewfinder when for whatever reason it is hard to raise the camera to eye level. (I recall Pentax did this first? Or was it Fuji?) I'm assuming the S5 display does not do this. The S1H is pretty much a do it all camera, just heavy! But, the gyms are closed, so makes a good dumbbell with the 24-70 f2.8 attached! ;) Eternal recording thanks to the fans is invaluable for what we use it for, scenic relaxation videos that we like to make as long as possible. Here is our first test footage from the S1H: kzbin.info/www/bejne/romxfXt3e6Z7haM (Nothing fancy, no zooming, processing, just direct from the camera MP4 4K 25fps, except high pass filter on the audio to mute the very loud wind noise.)

[@ruff1draft]

DP Journey is the Cinema 4K 60p internal. I hope it is.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yes it is

[@slows728]

The S1 is the real deal. 6K internal (only external for the S5), better IBIS than S5 (I have both and the S1 IBIS is really better), better EVF etc

[@gopolarisstudio]

but less video features right?

[@slows728]

​@@gopolarisstudio For now. But next year, the S1 will get more video features like the internal 6K.

[@johnbartram9056]

Thanks for sharing. As you already have the S5 how does the grip feel compared to the S1, can you still fit your small finger on ? or does it feel cramped.

[@slows728]

@@johnbartram9056 I prefer the S1's grip but the S5 is good enough (however I don't have big hands).

[@johnbartram9056]

@@slows728 thank you. Well noted.

[@vishalpatil4908]

As usual very nice video, one video with PRO RES vs MOV vs XAVC will be much appreciated by all users, thanks

[@Spiritcrusher86]

So, what will happen to S1H? I hope they come out with a huge update and pimp the camera, because this whole situation is not making any sense...

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

They already updated its AF with the one in S5... which still doesn't work properly! LOL... But yeah, as I mentioned, there's a lot more small stuff in the S1H that would appeal to the more Pro Segment.

[@serristori]

The full frame still vindicates the S1H purchase. I wonder what a S1H firmware update would bring.

[@paulbeckmann]

Thanks for the great info! World class!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

My pleasure! Thanks for watching

[@WaldoDavila]

Thank you very much for the information. the Lumix S-5 will definitely be my next purchase, after this new firmware there is not much difference with the S-1

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Happy the video helped. Thanks for watching

[@JakeStehliChaser]

And now FW 2.0 will drop in a few days for the S1 too, offering near S1H capabilities including Prores RAW. 🙂. I Think it is being done not to screw over those who bought an S1H as I think there are still more professional reasons you are paying the price for that, but that it can compete with the same market as the Nikon Z6, which can also shoot RAW.

[@carlislemedia]

I have the S5 as well. Viewing my video feed on the Ninja, I have no need to utilize the "flippy screen" as the high nit monitor is exactly whats being recorded and is more true to life, so the hdmi placement really doesnt bother me too much.

[@leonardodosvinci4130]

Excellent breakdown, thankyou.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Glad it was helpful!

[@purehuman9056]

Well just checked and my S1H is still alive!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Mine too

[@Rein1s]

What about the IBIS? That is not a recording thing, but it's very important. For me it's one of the most important things and the main reason I'm going to choose the S1 over the S5.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

What do you mean? They both have almost the same IBIS system. Nothing changed here IBIS wise in this update

[@Rein1s]

@@THEDPJOURNEY I myself haven't used the S5, but from what I see on YT, the Ibis in the S1 is much nicer, than the S5. The S5 seems jumpier and less stable for handheld video work. What is your experience with this, since you use both cameras?

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

I haven’t noticed much quirks honestly except rolling shutter issues sometimes

[@TheHudsonValleyWanderer]

This video was reeeeeeally good.

[@miguelangelcalderon3315]

Great video man! Been following your channel for a while. I’m seriously considering this camera now... I own a Sony A7 III, shoot mostly video, and I'm looking to upgrade from 8-bit slog (I’ve got used to it somehow though). This S5 seems like a great option, but I wonder what a “future” A7 IV next year may have. I have only manual lenses, so no sweat on changing systems, and AF is not a big deal for me right now (though it’d be nice to have the option in the future). That being said, since you have experience shooting both Sony and Panasonic, do you have any thoughts? I'd love to just get a Pocket 6k or A7S III, but I don't have the funds, and I want to take stills as well, so selling and buying another hybrid is my only option. Honestly, I’m not sure a future A7 IV may bring more than what this S5 offers…besides autofocus or ALL-I codecs… Greetings from Spain!

[@kewalkaria9273]

I am in the same exact situation as you are! This does seems like a great value camera. I am confused between this and pocket 6k to be honest. In the price of a7s3 I can get a lens with either of those 2 cameras!

[@DineshBhadwal]

The Gen 5 colour science on 6K pro can be a deal breaker. Also, that screen! There is nothing like that in the market. It's probably the best screen on any camera right now. But, the Panny S5 has in body stabilisation which is quite good. The low light on S5 is also better. Plus the ability to shoot good stills. Not to forget, the Panny has a full frame sensor, which is just incredible.

[@jordywhetsell5720]

LUMIX S5 VIDEO SHOOTERS PSA: Issue: Glitchy, pixelated lines in the image when using HDMI. Lines of different lengths appearing in different parts of the image a single frame at a time. Long story short. I have been chasing this issue for a couple of months now. Returned my original S5 for a new one, sent my Ninja V in for repair, was sent back with a clean bill of health. Bought the $60 Atomos cable, the issue persists. I originally thought the issue was unique to 5.9K ProRes RAW, turns out, that these lines show up when using the HDMI out in-general. The 12bit 5.9K ProRes Raw image out of this setup is unbelievably good and more than useable for any professional production. But this issue makes the camera impossible to trust for paid work when recording over HDMI. I have found many other users with the same issue, including a thread of comments on Spence Sakurai's review of the camera. IF YOU ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE, PLEASE REPORT IT TO PANASONIC SO THAT THEY TAKE THE ISSUE SERIOUSLY.

[@orenkrimchansky]

Best analysis video ever. Damn! How you do it bro? You're the best!!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Glad you enjoy it! Thanks for the compliments Oren!

[@mynilesh]

Very nice Review covering almost all camera aspect. can you kindly review Sigma FP.. Thanks.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thank you so much for the support. Unfortunately I don’t have any plans of reviewing that camera, I anticipate the next generation would be worth covering. Thanks again

[@andreasgiobel6355]

Thx, good stuff as always! Edit1: Had this test on the to do list for my GH5, @3:50, The crop C4K vs 4k behaves the same. Seems to be a copy/paste software solution. Or more precise, the the "normal" 4k gives u more FOV. Sensor width is fixed and height has crop for C4k as you point out for S5. A bit Wired to me. Will investigate further...

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks for watching!

[@jordanfish]

Quick question for you. How often do you notice the difference in your footage from the OLPF in the S1h? I’ve seen a few side by side comparisons that emphasize moire, but it’s a bit unclear how much this shows up in real world terms.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Honestly I’m haven’t noticed it. But again, I haven’t conducted any scientific tests to measure the difference. I simply didn’t “feel” there’s a difference, even though there might be to a certain degree

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Keep in mind the moire problem would be an issue for someone who is used to shoot talking heads and interviews with people who wear suits. But let’s say if you are a nature or travel shooter, you won’t have issues with that. I don’t shoot much people wearing suits with fixed patterns, maybe that’s why I haven’t noticed it

[@jordanfish]

@@THEDPJOURNEY Cool, thanks so much for the response, and that makes a lot of sense. If you’re interested, this is the video I was looking at, where the photographer noticed moire in his subject’s hair, for example kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHesY2qQnZiMedk

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah what he experienced is just different scenarios. But keep in mind, low pass filter which prevents moiré will make your footage slightly softer. Which is up to you to whether you feel it’s good or bad

[@jordanfish]

@@THEDPJOURNEY Thanks again, I greatly appreciate the insight

[@shivurajkumar7893]

nice analysis sir

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Cheers thanks

[@raksh9]

"Scroll all the way up to this weird Space Invaders icon" hahaha 😂

[@tjpenton]

Great episode as always!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks again!

[@Chaossenergy]

Hallo Can you answer my question? After this firmw. update, the Panasonic S5 can record externally to Atomos Ninja 4K or UHD- 50/60FPS 10bit 4.2.2.? " NOT to Raw and NOT 4.2.0.!" I mean only to ProRes: LT/4.2.2./4.2.2. HQ ???

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

It was able to shoot that before the firmware already

[@redbit6182]

Thanks for the analysis. I think the restart to change frequency on the S1H is actually needed to support proper time code in/out and true 24hz mode, so maybe not a disadvantage ... what do you think?

[@DavidHorizonFilms]

Wait, where do you see C4K 420 10bit 60fps on the S5? I thought the update only gave us C4K 422 10bit 24/30fps and C4K 420 8bit 50/60fps?

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

you're absolutely right!!! That one slipped! Thanks for the note

[@DavidHorizonFilms]

@@THEDPJOURNEY dammit I had hope for a second there :)

[@potatorigs2155]

Waiting for your S5II analysis :P

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

I just got tht ecamera, but have tons of other episodes I wanna work on first though

[@martines9569]

Great job! This is the highest top-notch filmmaking channel. Just one thing that keeps me away form buy this Panasonic S series with Atomos ProresRAW recorder is the fact, that there's no chance to get another video feed for external monitoring (i.e. wireless transmitter, or bigger external screen for focus puller - 5" screen is kinda small for critical focusing). I wonder if Atomos is aware of this quirk? Why I cannot use shogun7?

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks for the comment, you can loop through your video feed from the Ninja easily to any screen you need. There's no quirk there

[@martines9569]

​@@THEDPJOURNEY All right, that sounds great! Thanks for the info. I originally heard somewhere when you're recording into ProresRaw the loop hdmi output from Ninja V is disabled. Cheers!

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah I did say that initially with S1H in one of my episodes. But then they fixed that. Cheers

[@bencorwin]

Not having a full sized HDMI port is a deal breaker.

[@bencorwin]

@@dasbasti1990 You've obviously never dealt with micro HDMI ports before.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah it's not ideal, but you can get a HDMI lock on a rig. The camera has a lot of other great stuff that can make you think again.

[@danutzzz503]

​ @The DP Journey amazing content, but be honest - would you use this camera in a production environment as your main camera (suppose you can't rent)? I'm worried about that micro hdmi cable and the longop codec, but also I don't wanna spend the extra 2k for the s1h. My budget is around 2k. The S1 also looks good on paper, so I'm confused.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thank you so much for the kind words. It depends what do you mean by a production environment, things vary from a talking head kind of interview, documentary, to feature film production. I surely would in the first two, also things like music videos for sure. The micro HDMI is a problem, That can be fixed with an HDMI lock for $10. So I wouldn’t say it’s a dealbreaker for sure, but rather a nuisance

[@danutzzz503]

@@THEDPJOURNEY thank you for responding, I really appreciate it. By production enviorment I mean as the main camera for a starting production company. That also includes spots for TV, corporate videos, short documentaries and almost daily use. I was thinking also on the S1 because is a better body and after the update I believe will be at least the same as the S5 regarding video specs, if I'mnot wrong. The prices are almost the same in my country ($150 more for the S1). Would you still go with the s5 in this condition?

[@danutzzz503]

Just ordered the S1 + 24-105 F4 at a crazy discount ($2200 for both). It's a deal breaker, taking in consideration the future update. Anyways, thank you for the content you're putting in, without you I wouldn't be so aware of the whole series.

[@richarddelloyd3387]

Great work as always my man... have you just drawn me back into the Panny L alliance world?!?

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

thanks Rich... hahah... well it seems that Panny fits your needs then I guess

[@markjob6354]

Hi Tom. I was wondering if you could answer a tech question I have had concerning the S1H, but been unable to get a clear answer on; With the S1H (And now the S5) when you output 6K resolution as ProRes RAW to the Atomos Ninja, since ProRes RAW was designed to be a 12 bit 4:4:4 color space format, then does that also mean the S1H gets a bump up in color space from its internal 6K spec of 4:2:0 10 bit color space to 4:4:4 color space in keeping with the ProRes RAW Format ?

[@KeithSklower]

I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that for 5.9K raw, it is doing a direct 12bit readout of the values of the indivdual pixels, which record separate colors according to the Bayer pattern 2 greens, 1 red and 1 blue for every group of 4. You could compute by 3 x 12 bit values for every pixel by spatial averaging, and store that as a 4:4:4: file, but you're really only getting 4:2:2's worth of accuracy' I also do not know whether the the camera is doing clipping or scaling of the actual values. On the sony a7sIII, it is claimed that sony is trsnamitting 16 bit values, which the ninja processes. Panasonic claims to have 14 stops of dynamic range, so I think it has to have at least 14 bits internally.

[@Chorum28]

is this what people call the cripple hammer?

[@GeorgeNiksch]

This is the opposite of the cripple hammer. Panasonic just gives you everything, even on the low end cameras.

[@jimwoodgina9604]

Hello I like your video as you present facts instead of sensational opinions. I am a Blackmagic 4k user. One of the most useful features of the Blackmagic cameras is braw. I rarely use Pro res as I find braw superior. Can you tell me if the S-5 can record to Blackmagic Video Assist in braw format. Thanks again for the informative video.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Hi, thanks for watching. Not sure what you meant by “sensational opinions”, but there’s a huge difference between rumors and predictions. I’ve been asked a lot about what I think will come out, and I thought of sharing my thoughts. Not 100% sure about S5 and BRAW on video assist. I personally haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere

[@MeilikPepper]

your channel deserves more views

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thanks Malek, really appreciate it. Let’s spread the word and hopefully we’ll get more views Thanks again for the support

[@OmegaMan17]

I am ready to purchase a Panasonic S5, but I have one question. The kit lens that comes with the Panasonic is the 20 to 60 mm that is available for $300. That's a good value, but should I skip that and just by the Sigma that you recommend in this video? Can you recommend any other cinema type lenses that are a good value for the S5?

[@chicobraz4335]

Great stuff ! Just grabbed an s1 ,will I miss anything by not getting s5 ,I’m an S35mm anamorphic shooter ,also can’t seem to find any slow motion options for the anamorphic modes in s1 and can you do variable frame rates on these cameras or everything is set ?

[@ruff1draft]

Looking forward to purchasing the Panasonic S5 or if Panasonic releases a camera to sit inbetween the Panasonic S5 and Panasonic S1

[@vintagelensclub]

Great video ! I love Panasonic cameras. I am wondering what is your opinion about new Leica SL2-S ? Thanks!

[@50450720]

If you really want a S1h killer, you need to get a S1. All the benefits of the S5 plus, weather sealing, full size hdmi, better ibis, internal 6k recording, better audio record bit rate when used with the xlr-1, and lock switch etc. And even cheaper than the S5 !!! Its a no brainer.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yeah true... When this was released, the latest firmware was not out yet

[@stephanes.]

more entertaining than Netflix, as usual...

[@aleksandrshik9208]

People who thumbs down simply jealous of this production quality and value.

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Thank you so much Aleks, really appreciate your kind words. I don’t care about those thumbs down just because I know I have awesome people like you

[@ParikshitBhujbal]

They are all from the S1 and S1H users! lol

[@r2r_naturalnie]

Thanks for your videos Sir. I’m planing to buy S1H soon. My (amateur passion is screenwriting )and I realised that we have an affordable technology like SH1 ! So have to learn filmmaking - with videos like yours is much easier ...if possible would you recommend some affordable lenses ..Thinking about Sigma 24-70.. and then maybe Irix Cine...

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Surely the 24-70 Sigma and the 50mm sigma would be a great start. S1H is an awesome pro Mirrorless camera. Best of luck with your screenwriting

[@r2r_naturalnie]

The DP Journey thank you Sir

[@timwynn6079]

S1H is capable of BRAW using Bmagic Assist but not on S5?

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

That’s correct

[@tranquilo4640]

But S1H now can record BRAW, and BRAW is THE raw format after RED RAW

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Yup... I assume soon the S5 will as well

[@egon3d]

I just have a quick question, if the S5 is getting this amazing firmware update - Isnt the S1H also just getting a crazy firmware update? One that gives it 12K resolution with 320FPS etc?

[@GeorgeNiksch]

The S1H has the same 6k sensor(with an anti aliasing filter added), so it can't go above 6k resolution. But I wouldn't be surprised if the S1H added 4k 120fps in 10bit at some point to compete with the A7siii.

[@egon3d]

@@GeorgeNiksch Do you think there´s a chance that the S1H can go higher frame rates in 6K ? or is that also a sensor limitation

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Unfortunately it won't. It's a sensor technology limitation

[@GeorgeNiksch]

@@egon3d Its possible maybe. There's probably a heat limitation for higher frame rates at 6k, but the S1H does have a fan so I guess we'll see.

[@marco.alexander]

Thank you for this interesting film! You are mentioning that the S5 will get an firmware upgrade in the future that will enable white balance adjustments with ProRes Raw. However, nowhere in the internet I found something about this, except of you saying it in this video. Are you sure about it, or how did you hear about it? Thank you! :-)

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

Hey Marco, if you update both the S5 and the Ninja, you’ll get that WB control. Hope that helps

[@MyJeanf]

Can the S5 still film just Prores ? This is because ProRes Raw is currently not compatible with Davinci resolve I want to stick to ProRes HQ as I don't need tbe 5.9k raw and I also have the bmpcc4k as my other camera . Any advice is appreciated

[@novami7882]

Does anyone know if there's gonna be a compatibility with BM Video assist for BRAW with S5?

[@mcneilbelle]

ive literally been falling in love with your channel question if you had to choose between the sony A7S III , the S5 or S1H which would it be and you have to choose one also with the Atomos ninja does that make the S5 Netflix certified like the S1H

[@VastelJumper]

So the S5 has the netflix centrifuge from ninja v?

[@ChrisFlores22]

Is it worth (internally) filming in uhd 4K for 24fps and c4k for 60 fps or just stay in uhd?

[@TarkshyaPictures]

we all are waiting for a7siii part 2 mate :(

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

I’ve been working hard on it believe me... so many things to share. Planning to release this Monday

[@TarkshyaPictures]

@@THEDPJOURNEY thank u so much, mate eagerly waiting for that :)

[@THEDPJOURNEY]

😉