S8 E8: Are Vegetables Bad for You? with Justin Rhodes

[@emmdee7552]

I don't often comment but find this topic very interesting and have tried various ways of eating myself and have friends on complete opposite ends of the food spectrum. what I have noticed, is that our desire to learn more and do better for ourselves and our kids, often times has divided us and caused fights and unhappiness... over food. Whether to eat veg or not, carbs or not, meat or not, for me comes down to the following to make it simple, non-confrontational and to restore the enjoyment and blessing of good food to us again: - God himself gave all plants and green things (including seeds) to Adam and Eve for food, and pronounced it good. - God himself gave animals for food after the flood - Paul reiterates this in the new testament when the Pharisees and religious sects were being divisive over the religious reasons not to eat certain foods. - Knowing that all food is good, we can be sure our inflammation, illness and ailments stem from corruption to our food and eating processed and corporatised food products. Moving back to local, whole natural foods that we grow and make ourselves will go a long way in healing these issues. - available fruit and veg (and meat for that matter), have been bred and hybridised to stand up to the rigours of large scale farming, long chain logistics etc etc. what we eat (and even grow ourselves from seed) often doesn't much resemble the original plant at all. So local wild foods are also becoming more prominent in a healthy diet, which brings me to my next point. - available food and climates are different all around the world - people don't (or shouldn't naturally) eat the same from season to season, let alone in the tropics vs cold Europe or the Midwest- climate is different, different foods are available. So if we eat what is available where we are locally, and in season, that will go a long way to healing our bodies too. There is no way that a "few" ways of eating can "be best", when we have such diversity in climate and available food. People in hot tropical areas will rely more on fruit in the diet because that is what is available and grows wild and prolific. People in cold climates would rely more on meat and fat and less on those types of tropical fruits and abundance of green veg because it doesn't occur as readily there. I am only commenting because I too want to keep learning and do the best I can but I have seen this topic literally cause division between friends and family ito plant vs carnivore vs paleo vs "fill in the blank". And even if it hasn't been that extreme, I have seen it cause worry and anxiety and rip the joy and blessing of what is a good gift from God from our lives. I find myself now focusing on eating whole food I make myself from local (including wild) food, with everything in moderation, and eating nose to tail so there is no waste. Food that my body is intolerant to (like high salycilate plants), I cut out. but that doesn't mean others should too, if you know what I mean. Long post 🙈, but I hope someone finds it helpful and finds some grace in what has become such an important point of discussion of late. btw, I have tons of respect for both of you Jill and Justin and appreciate your content so much. you have helped me so much on my journey. Blessings to you and your families.

[@lbcustomleather]

This topic has been my life for the past 7 years. Having lyme disease and mold toxicity I developed food sensitivities and inflammatory responses to them . It's great to hear Justin's experience with food and his lyme story. Thanks again Jill for the great video ❤ ~LeAnn

[@haou132]

Here in France, there's a doctor Christian Perronne, who has written books about what is lyme desease, how to treat it, the lies of Big Pharma about it... I think that would be interesting to have a look on his work. He has treared many persons. Just give this info. Blessings from France !

[@krissycus]

You were pondering why certain cultures/regions might be more plant/carb heavy... this might blow your mind. The more sunshine you get (along the equator) the more easily you can process the carbs. Which is why eating fruits in season is a good idea- better to eat the fruit when the sun is shining.

[@rosemountfarms2897]

I am so happy to hear this ! 3 meals are too much for me! My husband couldn’t survive because he works hard on our homestead 14 hours a day 7 days a week. Me, I can’t do that! I fast because I feel better. My main meal is mid day, I have less inflammation. My portions are half what I used to eat. Our tastes change over the years.

[@amyb7207]

It is so interesting how different peoples bodies work so differently. I have a beef allergy and a pork sensitivity. Even too much poultry is a struggle for me, and I have been this way my entire life. But veggies I do fantastic on.

[@justpatty7328]

Yes, it is very interesting. Where do your ancestors originate from? Possibly from Mediterranean? Just curious, you don't have to answer that. I'm not sure what I am. I just eat the food available.

[@northstarprepsteader]

“What Is Life Without a Cupcake?” should be the title of your book! 😁

[@miamia7949]

LOVE that I came across this video. I too did strict carnivore after being vegan for 7-ish years. Then I started adding in fruits and still felt amazing! It had been a year since I had eaten veggies, and recently ate some and was immediately inflamed, miserable, and bloated. Now I'm at a stage where I'm fermenting veggies to see if my system can take that. Overall though, I am happy eating primarily animal based & fruits.

[@richardhineline5018]

Enjoyed the conversation and appreciate content provided by you and Justin. Two points on this that could help Justin and others. 1. You touch on this but bio-individuality is the idea that everyone has their own biology and everything affects people differently. One size only fits one perfectly. 2. There is a book about the Elimination Diet that helps you find out what you can eat. It takes quite a bit of work but if you have health problems like I did it is actually can be a miracle. Thanks and God Bless you guys.

[@workinprogress3609]

Very interesting! Come to think about it, I don't really care for any vegetable without seeds...except for potatoes. I will never abandon my potatoes.

[@nancyseery2213]

Some people eat lots of meat, some people eat no meat, and most of us eat meat, veggies, dairy and love it. You just need to do what your body tells you to do. Just like size doesn't really fit "all". As long s there is food for all of us, don't stress it! God bless and keep growing.

[@mkshffr4936]

I am trying to do Carnivorish but I do like to use some sauerkraut, mustard, and molasses for marinade. I haven't really found any discussion of fermented products in an animal based diet.

[@mikemclaurin2889]

I don't understand the reasoning for a carnivore based diet. Going the other way, makes sense to me. Thinking about how our bodies evolved over 10s of thousands of years, humans lived off of food they could readily gather. The ones they could gather and not compete with too many animals for, we probably got the most of. While we hunted, we were mostly unsuccessful owing to primitive tools and techniques for the task. So, our resulting diet was probably some sort of mix of vegetable, fruits now and then, seeds, nuts, roots and random meat (probably a lot of small game and and the odd large animal a few times per year). It would stand to reason that our bodies would do best with this kind of food because it has survived to the current level eating it. The role of fasting makes sense too. We would not always have a steady source of food. It probably frequently meant going without. Our bodies probably adapted to that necessity as well. Constant food, as much as we want is at best a 20th century phenomenon.

[@juliedickson7113]

So what about the animals that eat these plants that “ don’t want to be eaten “ ? Does this cause inflammation in those animals that we are then eating? Also the flour is causing so much trouble because it Is so processed. A bag of flour from the store has all the nutrients sifted out .. you are basically buying a bag of gluten.

[@coramdayo]

I know with rumen animals, feeding them grain causes their body inflammation. They were not meant to live on grain, they were meant to wander and eat lots of different species of grasses Etc. When people eat beef from the stores that were raised in feedlots, pretty exclusively on grain, they are taking that inflammation into their own bodies which causes harm to their own health. Same with dairy cows.

[@amber726]

The animals are built to deal with those toxins... that's why many of them have up to four stomachs and a very different way of processing foods than we do. Our systems are much more similar to those animals that mainly eat meat. One very acidic stomach, a small and large intestine. I'd add that the wheat has been so hybridized and otherwise modified that it's less recognizable to our systems even as a whole grain. Older grains like Einkorn and Spelt can be more recognizable and digestible to our bodies, even when they are sifted.

[@RDubdo]

I only eat whole organic plant foods much of which I grow my self. I don't eat any store bought processed foods, oil or animal products. My health has continually improved since I started eating this way a little over 10 years ago. I am always stuffed after eating but never gain weight and always have low blood pressure. Now I am never constipated like I so often was when I ate meat. My preference for this type of diet has only increased with time and the thought of eating meat again is repulsive to me.

[@lindapetersen1800]

Jill & Justin I am gluten free and was a cook for along time in a hospital never thought of it but after I retired I tried the apple seeds and found them to be tasty each different apple type is another different flavor !!!

[@plantedbythebrooks1499]

Last year I did fasts for a week at a time. Every other week for 4 months. I lost a lot of weight. I came off of it around the holidays and it was hard to get back on it. So I gained weight back. I have to do blood work for insurance purposes. Several months after I came off my fasting and eating regular for me for months, my cholesterol was high , triglycerides. I fasted for 5 days and redid my blood test. My blood pressure came back to normal range, my cholesterol started adjusting to a better level. It was not where it was supposed to be but it was lower than what it was. So there is a Dr who talks about fasting and what it does to your body.

[@cassandrasmom]

I think if you enjoy vegetables and they don’t seem to have any adverse effect on you, have at it. However, if you don’t enjoy vegetables or they cause digestive upset and you are forcing yourself to eat them for their “nutrition”, well then I think you should look into the nutritional profile of meat. Especially meat from ruminant animals. All essential vitamins & minerals, all essential fatty acids are found in meat. And what is most mind blowing is it is so much more bioavailable and absorbable. Thank you for covering this topic! I hope it brings on a shift in the way people view true nutrition & what “healthy” means for different people.

[@tdewtx]

I used to be a Mannatech distributor, well I probably still am, but they had a test that took your genetics and ancestry and scientifically discussed your metabolic and genetic tendencies to food and nutrition. questions like: Is your spit dry or wet, flat or stringy. How do you feel if you drink orange juice in the morning versus midafternoon.....ect

[@jamesking1033]

Folks that live in areas of the world that eat more plant based, and less red meat live longer, and have healthier hearts. I love meat, but not sure that eating strictly meat is healthy.

[@justpatty7328]

I believe that the quality of the meat is vitally important. Pasture raised and local, over chain store bought. Or it may further hinder health. In addition, I would say people suffering with pain and inflammation must get tested for allergies. Just my thoughts, 2 pennies worth. God made us all unique and individual. Unfortunately, the environment has affected many species, humans included.

[@elizabethdoucet1271]

We are coastal prairie , I’ve heard of seafood allergies where I live and egg allergies

[@mikemclaurin2889]

My wife and I made a dramatic shift in the way we approach eating and food about this time last year. It isn't a diet, we're not following some plan per se. It was a lifestyle change and from the beginning it was meant to be sustainable for the rest of our lives not something we did as a "diet." It looks like this: Intermittent fasting (two meals per day within 8 hours like Justin mentioned), one of the meals should be pretty light. All meals should be plant based with only 2-4 oz of meat in them. We do bowl meals (like Cava Grill). We follow something like this: ancient grain like amaranth, farro, etc. cooked with onions, etc. maybe 4-6 oz (cooked), some raw vegetable like lettuce or a mix of whatever is fresh, sautéed vegetables squash, red onion, zucchini and a bit of high quality protein (your choice). We also add in some fermented vegetable that we make (flavored kraut, kimchee, fermented carrot whatever). We vary it with different flavors (Indian, Mediterranean, Mexican, Thai whatever to keep it interesting. Results: we both lost over 30 lbs. It's been a year now and we're not fluctuating. We lost the bulk of it in the first 3 months and kept it off. We're both below our BMI max (under 25 bmi). This way of eating even survives going out to eat as long as you go to a place with good nutritious food in the first place.

[@lindapetersen1800]

I eat the things I am hungry for LIKE GREEK YOGURT Honey & Vanilla that I can go through a whole container for myself for a meal!!! But then there is times LARGE SALAD with cheese and cukes tomatoes sliced turkey on it with french or ranch dressing and that is 1-2 T of that on the whole thing!!! I use the yogurt as ice cream in the summer time with bananas strawberries what ever berries I have in the house maybe whip cream and that is it for a meal !!!

[@STEINLY3]

What about green Beans

[@justpatty7328]

Seeds on the inside

[@HomemakingwithRebekah]

Great podcast! I was wondering how Justin was doing on the carnivore diet. We've done it off and on, I usually land on mostly animal based with a few carbs thrown in for supper. It seems to work best for me.

[@Traconian2]

Dr. Eric Berg has a great KZbin channel with info about Healthy Keto with intermittent fasting. He explains it all in great detail. I've been doing IF and 1-2 meals a day and feel so much better. No cravings.

[@lizmellow7283]

Hey, great topic! Try checking out Dr. Berg on KZbin for inflammation and diet.

[@heathergranden2688]

I recommend everyone looking into eating right 4 your blood type and using it as a tool. It has made a HUGE difference for my family. We don't hold to it religiously and I don't agree with everything in the book, but it is a very helpful for me as a mom of 12 kids and a husband with very extreme allergies. 😀

[@ColRubyDimplesManacha]

Thanks for doing this, Jill and Justin! I've been looking into this lately, after hearing Justin's success and seeing some stuff with Niti Bali.

[@ColRubyDimplesManacha]

Now I'm thinking about eating seasonally bc of something Jill mentioned. Like eating some fruits/veg spring-fall and (mostly) meat in the winter. I'm know others have talked about it before, but it's making more sense to me while listening to this conversation.