SABC's Mzwandile Mbeje in conversation with Mathews Phosa on a range of issues

Former ANC Treasurer General Mathews Phosa, says the liberation movement is heading for a split. The struggle veteran joined SABC News Political Editor, Mzwandile Mbeje, earlier to discuss a wide range of issues.
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[@vjchabane9795]

He got it totally wrong on Phala-phala. Cyril is the only one who knows the facts, not the investigations

[@nzimadmz7131]

It's a private matter, you are right. It's his money. He sells onkole cattle, one can cost over R1. 5 million. He did not steal money from the state......Zuma must just pay back the loan he was granted by Venda Building Society... A whole R6 million must be paid by Zuma...

[@theophilusmpumelelogubula9235]

But whose money was stolen?not taxpayers it's his money he is a multi millionare.Why do you want to know don't tell me it's because he is the president,What law has he broken?

[@hloniphanindlela4800]

@@nzimadmz7131..it was lockdown by that time..how did his sell those Ankole..the money is in dollars..where was it declared coz that means the buyer was an European dat means da money was suppose to be declared..if it was Rands you were going to say it's his money..so dollars in mzansi without any declaration..using state resources to torture ppl like in a movie..come on..think twice..the man is a mafia..who knows maybe they bought him with dat money to lie about corrona in order to vaccinate us..da man is bloodthirsty #Vampire..ppl are killing each left and right under his leadership.

[@KKOPPONG]

@@nzimadmz7131 it wouldn’t even make logical sense to say Cyril has stolen the money. It’s US dollars not Rands and we don’t print dollars so it can’t be state funds🤷🏿‍♂️

[@KKOPPONG]

That’s literally what am investigation is for, to ascertain the facts. So when he says we will get facts from the investigators. The word “will” ,in this context, is meant as a future tense.

[@meshacksenthumule8995]

Please be president Honorable M Phosa. I smiled from cheek to cheek listening to you my Leader!!!!!!!!!

[@emmahmasilela6770]

He's old

[@meshacksenthumule8995]

@@emmahmasilela6770 true story, but he is the caliber of leadership we need at this point.

[@tendanipelaelo6293]

@@emmahmasilela6770 Age wise it's true but his mind is sharper than a lot of young people that make noise in the streets of Mzansi

[@ntando1692]

Phosa is a faction you might as well keep ankole because you are changing nothing

[@meshacksenthumule8995]

@@ntando1692 how is he a faction? Who are the people in his camp?

[@thandomgqweto9563]

Wow ntate what an intellectual answer about phalaphala

[@mxolisimgayi]

That was an intellectual one, but i just wonder how long the investigation will go

[@thekothamaga9970]

Honorable Phosa, thank you for bringing your voice on ANC matters to the public. It is refreshing to hear such voices though at too late. Doing well in his personal life and empowering young people, that's amazing

[@fanamlawuli6761]

Nothing refresh with this old corrupt idiot! We do not welcome these old useless men coming out of the grave to defend there corrupt comrade, disgusting!

[@geoffreynkoana4711]

Mr Phosa, beautiful interview and very straightforward as to what needs to happen. As well as what will happen if action is not taken fast, to remedy the division and corruption. He stressed a lot on a tortoise phase approach.

[@samuelnegondeni1017]

Me. Phosa is saying all that is needed to clean the ANC. Wish the NEC of the part could give him audience with the view to conceive precisely the model be employed to save South Africa

[@berthalesia7629]

I trust Matthew Phosa I know him from Tokoza Alberton during the Violence in the early 90s He was a very busy Man when internal stability unit of captain Craig Coetze was terrorizing us in Tokoza . He once told him to go and sleep in tokoza so that he can understand what's happening in the Township.

[@brucethackwell6686]

Great individual..

[@anelenyokana749]

Funny is that Politicians only speak sense once they are not actively involved in the ANC

[@siyabongasingata2304]

most are vocal within but the media does not give them airtime, once again when they are vocal they are labeled to belong to a certain faction

[@anelenyokane555]

@@siyabongasingata2304 Ndiyakuva bhutie

[@imatanyani]

True

[@Dave-ll8ly]

Put him in a position of power and he will change his tune..he is speaking sense now 😂

[@user-wk2mj5gw3l]

I salute Mr Phosa

[@phoenixptyltd8030]

The issue of zondo commission is a challenge. So far, based on televised conclusions, no 1 has brought proof. They are all based on what people say. For me, that's a problem when you enter the court of law. However, lately, we have seen that new ways of doing things, even in court, is wow

[@xolaneericlolwana7968]

I always had unclear doubts on Mzwandile

[@siphos.mhlungumhlungu1005]

Thank you Mr Phosa for educating all of us.

[@teeletsetse445]

I see the ANC elective conference is once again upon us. An interview with Tokyo Sexwale is next up I'm sure.😂

[@CassidayJacobs]

Always.

[@teeletsetse445]

@@CassidayJacobs 😂

[@user-nd2ei5fl6d]

bring back the old politicians they have integrity

[@mxolisiinnocent1995]

No. make council of senior politicians to guide the gorvenment, people who have integrity and will to see Africa prospering.

[@dudleymakeche7842]

Except Jacob Zuma for goodness sake!

[@ronaldsello7078]

@@dudleymakeche7842 Amen🙏

[@mxolisiinnocent1995]

@@dudleymakeche7842 🤣🤣🤣

[@hloniphanindlela4800]

What difference did they do during their tenure..talking is cheap..acting is another thing

[@vvr881]

Nice guy...very humble when he was around

[@bernardjansen7875]

Very clever man. No news here. He has said nothing but alluded to many things. He is a typical lawyer n politician

[@novelakengwilingwili4080]

If the president is the only one who knows, what is wrong with that. Anybody who does not know what is happening at his/her space need to be examined.

[@zethulezet9161]

Thank Mr encourage them we need that, give Ramaphosa encouragement SA I m doing, our young political think they can be strong when they errupt in politics and support the big political. They are saying wenzen u somebody because of that they became known.Thumamina arrest them.

[@ianthomas7819]

KZbin 4 years ago the speech that gave us hope. [Ramaphosa discusses corruption], how incorrect were we.

[@sizwengwenya3180]

Wena u want to protect capital which u are part of hence u benefit from mining which should benefit ordinary South Africans.

[@samuelkgatla3478]

Nice interview, careful & choice of words🙏

[@mxolisimgayi]

He is wise

[@sandracrossland5118]

Mr Phosa is a very interesting gentleman he talks well that one can understand

[@lindelanitshikalange7537]

the interviewer was struggling here

[@lethokuhlekarlntuli4424]

how long to investigate two months ten years?

[@siyabongakoyo238]

And he really against the dismissal of Malema and those were exactly the words he used that "there is no dustbin for politicians"

[@ianthomas7819]

The first guest on #TonightWithJaneDutton is President Cyril Ramaphosa, in this part of the show, Jane picks up on the issue of corruption in SA, using the Vrede Dairy farm project as an example... [Ramaphosa say yes we going to deal with corruption]

[@chwayitaramaphosa3433]

“Go to sleep with your Intelligence”….”devils and Angels”🙌🙌

[@vuyonqantosi2151]

✊✊🏼✊✊✊✊✊✊✊

[@amandampanza597]

Siyabonga ukusifunxisa kogwansile umbele gogo Nomangungu 🙌🙏

[@rhulanifurumele9728]

I respect this old mr phosa

[@zingisalanguza5935]

Matthews Phosa is very smart

[@nickruthnum7340]

Mathews Phosa,a man of integrity,its a pity he is no longer in politics.

[@lethebelaphala8785]

Being pro ANC, you'll contradict yourself in one line and think you make sense

[@mokgoshimakena334]

I thought is the guy from Gomora, bra Mike

[@derangoatgmail007]

This is one has now changed his tone... All ANC old leaders are hopeless

[@rahamankhan2895]

Yes they r playing to the public gallery.

[@potsesamuelmakunye7425]

What a great man

[@sandracrossland5118]

Mr Phosa is a real gentleman

[@sandracrossland5118]

I like this gentleman

[@oNedrous_oNe]

..|| Bab’ uMbeje, sekwanele mnumzane - hang up television journalism sir ... you’ve done your part over the years, salut .... kodwa you’re getting dribbled through out the interview, sir ......

[@haiwatigere6202]

I like phosa

[@bakergovender3291]

Mathew you should be viying for President. You should rejoin the ANC Nec

[@dianasekatane6045]

The ANC delivered a better life to it's comorades that's why they are mostly millionaires, multimillionaires and even billionaires without any of them creating or establishing a successful firms. It was through the BEE that's meant for Cadres and politically connected people. Nothing, nothing I mean nothing for the ordinary people.

[@philipbanda6637]

The National Party leaders stole billions of rands

[@monama11]

Phosa's head is screwed on properly, shem.

[@thanduxolomgca880]

My leader🙋

[@ericnkgadime4776]

GIVE BELL'S TO THAT MAN .

[@mosseskkrrngota1575]

No this one is speaking his masters voice.

[@gailallwn8400]

You don't make sense😜

[@gerhardtpienaar]

Mr Phosa you are a man of ethics i do not have to say anything else thank you Sir

[@sizwengwenya3180]

Thanks commission was useless

[@6912135595080]

Mr Phosa, you are doing well in business creating jobs. Please consider coming back to lead the ANC AND GOVERNMENT. We need decisive, speedy executive decisions and actions to save this country.

[@justiceforall5796]

Phosa ever the evasive lawyer

[@sizwengwenya3180]

You think u going to use legal explanations like ramaphala in simple things phosa u are factional...people are not fools WENA khehle

[@tshepomorulane6965]

When interviewing someone as smart as Mr Phosa you must have a sharp mind yourself as a journalist. I am sorry but the interviewer doesn't really know where he wants his interview to go.

[@matsobanemosehla29]

Mr Phosa thanks a lot for enlightening a lot of us on the Phalaphala saga. We need more of legal heavyweights to assist the public on this.

[@elliasdlamini2045]

Mr Phosa seems to be non-factional in his approach to the ANC woes is applying impartiality.His legal background helps him in his views.

[@nkosinathi267]

Mxm this is a politician.his saying Ramaphosa phala phala issue will be investigated,we must wait for investigation, like really who is going to investigate the president of the country?who, he knows this matter will die through out the time.All politicians think ordinary people are stupid

[@koolerkool8008]

@@nkosinathi267 But you can't make a decision or ask to step aside based on untested allegations because that would be automatically prejudice which is unlawful. The call for patience is because the constitution don't allow anyone to be prejudice.It doesn't mean someone is guilty simply because they accused of wrongdoings hence the veteran is saying let's all wait for the investigation findings because the party won't a case if they taken to court because no one is supposed to prejudiced

[@segongwanedoctor3484]

He made some sense until he was asked about phala phala.

[@buntufokazi2297]

True🤣

[@nzimadmz7131]

You are listening a lot to political gambles on Phala Phala....honourable Phosa is a lawyer and knows better about what needs to be done before casting aspersions on Ramas

[@segongwanedoctor3484]

@@nzimadmz7131 I hear you. But I think you and I would agree on the element of a responsible and accountable president. Ramaphosa should not think of taking the country into his confidence as though it's doing opposition parties a favour. We understand the legal routes but as a political person who claims to have broken no law, he should take the country into his confidence.

[@masiakwalakgoroshi5708]

Big brothers n friends in deed n in needs

[@jabulanipeter2910]

Uqinisile Bab' Matthew. The president always speaks about the future tense

[@christ4allonline524]

Case has been opened what do u mean there no case...mr freezer has opened the case

[@user-nd2ei5fl6d]

what about capetown-only blacks gets jobs and foreign nationals in locals jobs,builders brought in from JHB

[@emteekoose]

Very intelligent old Man Mr phosa ,we need the kind of leadership unfortunately chipi e jele ke mollo.but feed young comrades with perfect politics #salute

[@nelsonmollo1892]

what are they investigating bcz the money was found in this man s farm.Mr Phosa u a saying peopleAnc is not doing enough for the ordinary ppl.but yet u defend him .the large amount of money was hidden in his house.

[@docdynamix]

Another dangerous man phosa

[@caughtontape5829]

Mr Phosa is being interviewed in his political capacity and he is giving safe answers that are empty, hiding behind the fact that he is reasoning from a legal cap. My conclusion is, he wants to return to politics.

[@KKOPPONG]

If you knew anything about law and how a lawyer reasons then you’d be aware that a lawyer doesn’t just to conclusions without actual evidence. You don’t go on opinions, theories or feelings you get the information verified then you make a finding. If you want him to scream his “opinion” from a mountain then watch the EFF press conferences rather 😊. I’m worried a lot of citizens like yourself are so invested in the presumption of guilt that if the results come out and you’re unable to prove any foul action you’ll say there’s corruption simply because you entertained the idea of guilt without proof. There’s no physical proof of the cash. No actual proof of the exact amount. No proof of its sources. No proof of how long he’d had it. You can’t skip all these steps till you tick them all. I’m not saying he’s innocent, I’m just saying stop rushing without a full picture.

[@caughtontape5829]

@@KKOPPONG The kids gloves you handle politicians with makes one understand why where you come from is such a dump. You worship even the spineless scoundrels lost in confusion when they should be selling cattle and burgers. Seemingly you have only googled who Phosa is, which I forgive. Your argument is poorly nuanced, I know googled information often sets wrong tones for debate.

[@nickruthnum7340]

Mr Phosa,you hit the nail on the head,start prosecuting the anc comrades that are involved in corruption first.stop using scapegoats.

[@houseking1000]

With all due respect! The ANC must go! That will bring about real change!

[@malusiyaka9240]

Khula Ngizwe

[@user-nd2ei5fl6d]

CYRIL IS NOT NOT THE MAN-change him

[@mudaurofhiwaprince3364]

Problem his friend with combrade Ramaphosa,that's y he's swallowing some answers

[@sellomotsoeneng4867]

There is no ANC

[@senimasuku246]

Injulab’copho 🧠

[@user-nd2ei5fl6d]

go back to where you started in struggle times-praying in church who liberated you

[@sipiwomde2251]

Mr phosa is very right in all the saying.

[@bibo5649]

I wander how much he got underneath the bed.

[@zolam1939]

P B9vi9

[@williammakgalwa5027]

He is an honest man but not an angel caedre..

[@MandelaMinutes]

This guy 🤣🤣🤣

[@lesedimashilo5585]

he is evasive on answering the question about his hypothetical ambitions to lead the ANC🤣🤣🤣

[@mxolisimgayi]

He won this one

[@andrewmohlala3262]

I think by the time or cr17 NDZ him and Sexwale raised tried to contest unfortunately they didn't make the cut. Maybe he is still thinking about it

[@rosinaramahlo5539]

Really, Mr PHOSA, i think what you are saying right now, you are just embarrassing yourself. As you didn't attempt to stop what was happening. As a lawyer during that time. As i mentioned before that lawyers are not to be trusted anymore whatsoever. By only listening to whatever he is saying right now, anyone can conclude as to what kind of a person he is.

[@bafanamshengu920]

The dying ANC is once again reaching to the dustbin to recycle, where are new voices and new ideas?

[@sharingfamspace3156]

He has been out of action for a while and now you will swear it’s advocate Teffo’s father now😁

[@mxolisimgayi]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@auddymtembi4333]

hahahahaha!!!!!

[@ronaldsello7078]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@caughtontape5829]

Funny enough when I heard him speak and looking at him, I felt like okay he looks like Adv Tefo. Now that' you saying it am laughing soooooo hard 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Considering he is an attorney by profession, the shoe fits.

[@imatanyani]

😂😂😂

[@leroyzwane2097]

RET faction is definitely happier with him shot dead and talking in his memorial service.

[@imatanyani]

What 🤭🤭????

[@berthalesia7629]

I wonder what would He say about the Umkhonto Party Waitsi

[@tokelomaswabi6098]

Phosa is also a mampara mos he defend for Ramacovid

[@bngmnh3583]

...where's Gaddafi money

[@user-nd2ei5fl6d]

divorce women loose house,all in your courts

[@mhluphekinamba1256]

Mzwandile Mbeje you're a weak political journalist, give this kind of interviews to Samkele Maseko...

[@melvinlephale9345]

Samkwle would've murdered him with tough questions🤞

[@user-mj7fk6gg7s]

All based on hatred and sowing of division in the Newsroom. But it is understandable.

[@mduduzihow3062]

The man who brought corruption in Mpumalanga cannot be expected to condemn the phala phala gangster.