Sabotage Review - Goodbye, Captain Sonar

[@jasonjanisewski78]

Captain Sonar seems to have many advantages over this: 1)Much Faster Game 2)1/2 the Price 3)Much wider player Counts 4-8 vs 2 or 4)More play modes-Real Time/Turn Based 5)Much easier/faster to teach 6)Arguably broader appeal of theme 7)More role diversity

[@All_Ice117]

I'm not sure player count is an advantage; Captain Sonar is more like a party game which shines with 8 players. I find it harder to get that many people to play a game. Even more so a real time game, which some people find stressful, and that game makes you scream, which means even more stress. I think Sabotage would be easier to bring to the table because you need less people and can plan your turns calmly. I prefer Space Cadets: Dice Duel over Captain Sonar, by the way. I know they're different, but still similar. You need less people (6) but can play up to 10 with the expansion, there's less screaming because you can see what everyone is doing... It just doesn't look as cool =P.

[@jasonjanisewski78]

@@All_Ice117 I played Captain Sonar at a convention using just the Turn Based mode since there were only 4 of us (4 didn't show up), and it was still great. Yes it is great with 8 but is also great with 4, 5, 6, or 7

[@Medsas]

@@All_Ice117 You play captain sonar when you happen to have 8 players and you need a game, I dont think you should ever feel the need to find 8 persons just to play it as lower player count opens up much better games, npi critically misunderstands the importance of player count to capt. sonars

[@rustedbeetle]

The split screen presentation at 2:36 is a fantastic visual break in the explanation.

[@chewiewins]

Seems contradictory to state better than Captain Sonar right after stating it is expensive, hard to teach and really only 4 players. Captain Sonar plays fine 6 to 8, but is quite easy to teach being quite intuitive and definitely cheaper. So good as it is, can't see it replacing that.

[@ModularLanding]

Also it’s not real time, so the comparison seems strained. Real time is what makes CS so much fun. It’s chaos.

[@iamtheoneyouknowbest]

Thumbs up for the Hudson Hawk reference!! :)

[@greysky1252]

I get that movie mixed up with Hudsucker Proxy.

[@mm678]

“Stand up and listen”?! Well that’s my second favorite game review channel!

[@gqsnowman]

Steal My Sunshine was the jam. No judgement.

[@scottbollinger3980]

1. Skelly mouth - lol 2. “Automagically” - wtf? 3. Ditzy Elaine lad-libbed - died, dead, rewind x8 times 4. Like 5. Subscribe

[@alwaysplaythegame]

Captain Sonar is probably my favorite game. If this is like it, yep buying it now. That being said, the real time craziness and desperation is going to be lost here.

[@bartdevuyst]

The lighting in these few new videos is extremely professional! I love it.

[@NoPunIncluded]

It's all Elaine! (and the shots that aren't lit as well with Elaine in it are done by me, Efka)

[@RazBaz07]

That ending... so good! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@lystic9392]

I would miss being able to just slow down or speed up. In Captain Sonar there were crucial times when I decided to not move/not give anything away.

[@Quietwulf1978]

Love the work and craft you guys clearly put into each and every review. Thanks so much for the video :-D

[@Southfloridelphia]

Sounds good to me. I have ADHD and Captain Sonar is basically my own personal nightmare, so I would like something with a similar experience without 8 people talking over each other.

[@ClarkPotter]

If you have ADHD you should already be great at talking over people 🤤 I can kid bc I have ADD. Played 5 games of CPT Sonar 3 nights ago ago. Embrace the tension.

[@ZoidbergForPresident]

@@mikolajwitkowski8093 Isn't the pro of captain sonar the real time gameplay?

[@kaitan4160]

I want that 90´s Mix Tape.

[@psyck011]

Have to give respect to Tim Fowers- when he launched the Kickstarter for this, he explicitly said that this was not a game for everyone due to the very reasons you have stated!

[@wakeupjake]

Couldn't agree more, Fowers does it again! We've played it a fair bit and it is a game of pure information management... and sharks. Also, this is one well lit and coloured video.

[@lootnscoot50]

“Super intricate 420 blaze it miniatures” *rofl* I had to rewind that twice... once to make sure I heard that right, and twice cause that is fucking awesome! You guys are amazing at what you do. Keep up the amazing work!

[@NoPunIncluded]

Don't get me wrong, I love a pretty mini as much as anyone else but I think maybe it's time for our infatuation with overly detailed plastic too cool down just a smidge.

[@cklester]

@@NoPunIncluded Quiet, blasphemer!

[@Likely_Chindoku]

Such good videos. You deserve many more subscribers!

[@jozefzero9618]

you guys look so bright and healthy! bessie too! WELCOME ELAINE to the full timer squad!

[@milkiverplanski9491]

Great boom indeed! But what Elaine described sounded a lot like how my husband sometimes describes his day at work (he's a programmer), haha.

[@gjkf]

Is it just me or we kind of need a let's play with SUSD? It would just be glorious and terrific fun!

[@ax0r799]

I've played once, and you're right, teaching it is *really* hard. I don't think I did a good job. Despite that, the brilliance of the game was obvious by the end of it. Trying again tonight, can't wait.

[@chewiewins]

Good to know as 'hard to teach' makes it not for me to own! Happy to play and see though.

[@ax0r799]

Update: played again tonight. Teaching is still hard, just went through everything step by step. Took a while, but was effective enough. Game time was close to 2 hours though.

[@Phildiculous]

@@ax0r799 Doesn't sound great...

[@zorpox1138]

"This is pretty much Hudson Hawk The Boardgame". SOLD!

[@victorlamy6590]

I love the energy, kudos for a great review!

[@whoisbatman]

I know I can count on you guys for that sweet Hudson Hawk content and, by gum, you did it again!

[@hyperbolic3833]

"The game is always afoot" is a brilliant line and a great summary of what the game does well.

[@antti2603]

Where can you buy that silicon foldable tray shown at 2:12 ? I need one of those!

[@NoPunIncluded]

BGG store.

[@ManusNoble1988]

Properly excellent review. Amazing! I have had the game for a couple of months but only played it once 2 players - that was enough to convince me I should only play it with 4 but oh my god am I looking forward to when I get the chance to do that.

[@AthexTube]

I felt like this game was a good game, but not great. Overall while captain sonar really needs 6 this needs 4 which helps but I still think captain sonar is a better game.... This does look better though for sure

[@tangentric]

Okay, I'm sold. Looks great! Thanks for an outstanding review!

[@gorram]

Like earned with Hudson Hawk references, what an era we live in

[@acerumble]

Apples to Pears, a fun "reference" to your contemporaries I take it? Thanks for another great vid!

[@Vsankari]

I had never even heard of this game, but your review popped up. I watched it two times and just placed an order for the game. Hopefully it's a hit with our group. =p

[@mahna_mahna]

"I don't say 'sabotoge'. You say 'sabotoge'. I say 'sabotage'."

[@Monkeyshaman]

Ace of base are the spies of the greatest nation on earth tho?

[@wahick]

I LOVE how the room names in this game are in alphabetical order!

[@Wolatje]

I really like your shelf in the background at the beginning, any tip on where its from :D?

[@titwarbler]

Hudson Hawk Reference! ❤️

[@redmenacetv]

...I know you planned it, I'm gonna set it straight this Watergate.

[@GPlewright]

Tom V I see what you did there Tom V

[@BrandonGraham]

Seems good, but I can't afford that Tim Flowers gold.

[@christophermoore8524]

I think we purchased the last copy available at GenCon, but the rulebook was so awful that the game just sat in the dining room unplayed for months, depressing me that I didn't want to play something that we had such high expectations for. I forced myself to learn the rules and we finally got a game in last week. I think I agree with everything you said in the review. Honestly, your video was a better intro to the game than anything Fowers Games put out. Great job, again.

[@slowmodeproductions]

I don't care what people say. That mix tape needs a full play through.

[@Dre2Dee2]

This is pretty much ready to air on television, in terms of quality. Well done.

[@theeholliday]

Here for more Hudson hawk references!

[@redsands1001]

Ohh. Hudson Hawk is a guilty pleasure of mine

[@NoPunIncluded]

Why guilty???? ;)

[@David-ym2vk]

This was a pretty great video… unless that’s what they want me to think. 🤔

[@nathanohnoes]

That really was a nice boom! 🤭

[@YukitsuTimes]

Oh hey, I remember that mix tape, maybe it's mine.

[@NoPunIncluded]

Please take it away

[@YukitsuTimes]

@@NoPunIncluded I don't have a cassette player anymore, but seeing as you guys do, please enjoy!

[@gwnorris6737]

Game looks great BUT, I can't find anywhere to buy it!!!!

[@NoPunIncluded]

Mr Fowers sells his games directly. Can't remember the website right now but if you google Fowers Games you'll find it.

[@gwnorris6737]

@@NoPunIncluded AWESOME Thanks!!

[@bartdevuyst]

3:55 *boom* brilliant joke!

[@Merlandese]

I can't decide which one of these two people is cuter.

[@mardel5466]

Your mom is the cutest

[@exodusventures373]

I enjoyed the entertaining review however, How is all this plastic, cardboard, and complex rules beat Captain Sonar? I just don't see it. This review did one thing for me - it made me go find and purchase Captain Sonar and the 2 addons. I got tired of hearing them explain the rules. Ugghh!

[@boardgamequeens]

Did you say sandwiches? No sabotage.

[@Bluebeetle2008]

I Got That Reference!

[@AceHardy]

📝

[@MidianIRL]

46 seconds in and laughing already.

[@RyuBateson218]

Ace of Base !!

[@tinstargames]

Hudson hawk yessssss

[@AbeBSea]

DOGGIE!!!!

[@NoPunIncluded]

Much of this is true.

[@AbeBSea]

@@NoPunIncluded Doggie name?

[@NoPunIncluded]

@@AbeBSea Bessie.

[@AbeBSea]

@@NoPunIncluded Good girl!!

[@Furore2323]

pupy

[@artoheinonen2783]

And this game is not a real time, strangest "Goodbuy other game" I have ever seen in a review. I really don't understand the Sonar comparison.