Sabres: Embedded 2020: Becoming a Sabre | NHL Draft (Ep. 3)

[@gavinsmith259]

This is the best hockey series I’ve ever seen. I’m a Canucks fan but sabres are becoming my 2nd fave because of this!

[@Falconetti182]

I’m a Wings fan but I still tune into this - it’s an awesome series and Adams seems like a good GM.

[@jf13579]

If you are football fans, you should see the buffalo bills embedded as well. Both are must watch for Buffalo fans and I’d bet would be entertaining for any sports fan of NFL/NHL.

[@barangfilms]

Love this comment. I'm firstly a Sabres fan and the Canucks have always been my 2nd! Go Sabres! Go Nucks!

[@GabeDover1306]

I’m an avs fan I really hope they do good this year. There fans really deserve them making the playoffs

[@mikephalen3162]

I've been a Vancouver fan because they always have Swedes on the team.

[@ryankocher]

The story of Quinn not making a triple aaa team a few years ago to now an ohl elite player is awesome.

[@centralhockey12]

I’m a bruins fan but this series is really awesome. We have the “Behind the B” show for the Bruins, but this show is different. It gives me a vibe from that old Road To The Winter Classic show that was on HBO. Might be the camera quality or the intensity, I don’t know! It’s awesome!

[@wrenchdoozer]

I wonder if the Arizona Coyotes will make a video for their draft experience. ;)

[@matteagan1288]

All these people in the comments pretending they watch junior hockey because they read a couple mock drafts

[@JNG107]

That's exactly what I thought. Everyone is an expert

[@commonzac]

A couple? Try 3 or 4 guy.

[@kYA00h]

youre amaaaaaaaaazing!

[@DylanMorrow48]

Hahaha so so so true

[@kYA00h]

junior hockey is boring...tbats why tbey all dont make it to the NHL

[@kylef7616]

I'm a Leafs fan and these videos make me invested in the Buffalo Sabres lol

[@kYA00h]

ha ha..i just wrote a similar comment

[@hermes2375]

nice investment

[@r3tr0actiongamer24]

As a Sabres lifelong fan it's refreshing having someone like Kevyn as our GM. My second favorite team is the Canucks that I liked when i was a kid in the 80's

[@jackkucinski8755]

Kevyn you are a G!!! You’re going to do amazing things here! Go Sabres!!!

[@Divedown_25]

Great hockey documentary. Hope Sabres continues with these clips year around. I see a player in style of Elias Pettersson in Jack Quinn. Sabres wanted a winger, not a center so Rossi was not their first pick obviously.

[@Codyfrank11]

This is honestly awesome to watch 👌🏽 I hope they keep this going and Kevyn Adams is a GM I’d want on my team

[@m4dd1E.]

ahhh just hearing their names get called and knowing they are doing awesome for the sabres make my day for some reason lol

[@sabresman31]

I had mixed feelings when they picked Quinn over Rossi but he looks like a solid sniper. Peterka is an absolute steal at 34 though!

[@kYA00h]

i picked Rossi in NHL 20....hes not worth it.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@xlogiichd9828]

Love this series !! Coming from a Jets fan

[@BRV52762]

This is a fantastic series. Keep them coming. Thank you

[@cbass81]

guys a solid gm

[@jridenour91]

I love these behind the scenes draft series from all of the teams. I wish Detroit would do one but Stevie won’t even give a sneak peak on what he is going to order for lunch. In some ways it’s good I guess.

[@Matthew_Calmert]

Really enjoying this series. Well done y'all - From Cincinnati

[@madisyn493]

i really like kevyn, he seems way more involved in Everything as a whole unlike botterill

[@jf13579]

He also has connections in the hockey world, something I don’t believe GMJB had.

[@barangfilms]

Kevyn seems very likeable. And he seems to relate well to his colleagues, his employees, and his fan base.

[@madisyn493]

@@jf13579 JB was the assistant manager for the penguins before he managed the sabres and as a player he played in pittsburgh, rochester, and for the 03 04 season got called up to buffalo

[@mafrank4931]

Botterill seemed in over his head/outta his league/disconnected from the start

[@kYA00h]

@@madisyn493 for sure eh...kevin adams seems like he would be a great guy to work for. i love his passion for the sabres...it seems very genuin. i like your teams lineup and wish you guys the best...but Taylor Halls past injuries worry me...only one 82 game season.

[@zachorcutt8910]

Please keep this series, was always jealous of teams like the oilers with this. Loving it

[@Violencegod61]

Got to watch Quinn play the past 2 seasons. He isn't afraid to finish a guy in the corner as well. Hes a competitor and has a developed a drive for the net, shot went from good to elite over the past few seasons. He and Rossi were magic together. Once he puts on a few more pounds he'll be competing for a spot

[@kYA00h]

sweet! maybe a higher scoring Connor Brown?

[@Violencegod61]

@@kYA00h Quinn is more of a pure goal scorer. He's still rounding out his complete game atm. Hopefully he makes the world junior team and his skills can be on full display

[@kYA00h]

@@Violencegod61 of course he is still rounding out his game, hes 18. hasnt played a full season with MEN yet!. too soon to label him... "pure scorer" lets see if he can win defensive zone battles.. can avoid injuries.. play over 15 mins a game with a presence.

[@juanknapp8793]

I LOVE this series would love if you could post more!

[@krt88nc]

Well this move has worked out well!

[@brianmulhern1073]

I just hope there’s a season man

[@tommyschutt9173]

This is getting me hype about quinn

[@PatHoffman10]

Wonder who called Adams for the 8th pick.

[@dereklasker5350]

They asked for 11 and 37 from Nashville for 8, Nashville said no

[@BlackIjs]

Quinn over Rossi, trading up to get Peterka. Adams and the Sabres smashed this draft out of the park.

[@jayh6903]

A year later, majority of players in highlights are no longer here

[@ericschlebus6488]

Here we are in May... disastrous season and all the stars want out... and Quinn got hurt. Peterka is playing out of his mind though.

[@justrome3285]

Kevyn Adams reminds of Brandon Beane a lot. They are both fantastic GM's. One just has a bit less hair ;)

[@EDDYEAGLE]

The thing with Rossi is that he reminds me of Sam Reinhart. So even if Staal stays for one year. Reinhart should move to 2C and jack Quinn should play the wing somewhere in the lineup. It makes no sense that a 2nd overall Center selection Sam Reinhart is playing on Jack Eichels wing. Makes no sense at all. So yeah we could’ve taken Rossi but with Quinn we can then move Reinhart to C and have a nice top 6 balanced. And then a 3C in cozens as he powers up

[@kYA00h]

has nothing to do with position, shot, stats, etc... if the players GEL...they GEL "you play who can produce" simple logic

[@adamrounds1670]

an as a buffaloian no sabers i go strait to Canada!!!

[@positivelyjess5481]

Someone tell Kevyn he’s totally holding the video calls at the wrong angle

[@bonefewth]

Am I the only one who sees a young jack nicholson in Kev dog.

[@458joey]

Omg I see it. Definitely JACK NICHOLSON

[@kYA00h]

Shining Jack Nichol....? or As Good as it Gets Jack Nichol.? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bonefewth]

@@kYA00h the joker!

[@meatmanmagoo]

They did Jack Quinn so dirty last year in NHL20 making him Low Top9 65 overall. Had to grow the kid for the last 3 years in my sim lol

[@jasoncoladonato1034]

Not a Sabres fan but if Quinn can be a 30 goal scorer and play with Eichel then it’s a great pick regardless of who they passed on.

[@stalktheground23]

Or 40. Or 50. No one has any clue, these guys are kids. Rossi could turn out to be average at best. 3/4 of Bills fans wanted Josh Rosen over Josh Allen. Trust the process.

[@justinzulewski930]

It would be a good pick in a vacuum. Sure Jack Quinn can be a 30 goal scorer but is it still a good pick if they pass on a player like Rossi who becomes a point per game player who can drive his own line and doesn't need to play with a player like Eichel to produce?

[@stalktheground23]

@@justinzulewski930 if Rossi becomes that. What if he doesn't? People acting like Rossi is McDavid-guaranteed levels of greatness in the NHL and it's hilarious.

[@justinzulewski930]

@@stalktheground23 we can talk about hypotheticals all we want. Obviously we won’t know who is the better player for a while but most scouts and hockey people have Rossi above Quinn. I think as fans were justified to be upset that we didn’t take the near consensus better guy at the time of the draft but we’ll have to wait and see

[@JIMpossible]

​@HOCKEY HELL YA Wow, that list of achievements and scouting report is as good as Alexandre Daigle's was! Superstar guaranteed!

[@AnimalsDressedasHumans]

You see Terry there in the war room. Can ppl maybe put to rest that Kim is solely responsible for the Sabres woes? They have two owners. There’s some misogyny there with ppl singling out Kim. Yes there has been some alarming staff cutting recently while she’s been president (since 2018), and maybe she alone made some mistakes, but their problems go way back. Terry appears to be heavily involved.

[@AnimalsDressedasHumans]

Curious if the Quinn pick had anything to do with Crowe getting a title change. Hoping that pick wasn’t the product of understaffed, rookie mgmt, but just a deeper dive into the player. Olofsson was their top prospect in 19-20’, but here we are now begging he isn’t a Kotalik, & that he score in more situations than just one-timers on the PP. Scoring in different ways is a heck of a trait. Quinn is in some ways like the the Bills’ Rousseau pick in that there is one year of success to go off of.

[@andrewzy]

Very good point you can only hope he develops as he gets older

[@AnimalsDressedasHumans]

Sometimes I like to rewatch these bc they are so well made and they give us something to look forward to. But I noticed Crowe’s title: Director of Scouting. They currently have Director of Pro Scouting and Director of Amateur Scouting. His title change seems to a just matter of restructuring as they hired more people.

[@bisonboyerik2981]

Let’s go buffalo

[@mikebarrett5736]

This rules.

[@sabresthoughts5407]

Devine ugh

[@logan.brooks6837]

I hate to break it to u guys but im pretty sure NHL scouts know more than u guys

[@jeffmrowka9380]

Not devine...

[@sneakeasy5664]

Still weird how they grabbed the wrong 67s

[@daubeny.7287]

@@sneakeasy5664 they took exactly who they needed

[@JNG107]

@@sneakeasy5664 They grabbed the best goal scorer in the draft. A guy who created most of his own goal scoring chances. Rossi and Quinn didn't even play together on the power play. Rossi has nothing to do with Quinn's success

[@jimmyrosenberg9420]

@@JNG107 Best goal scorer? Is that a common opinion? I have no issue with Quinn since I trust the scouts know more than me... and I might be biased since I've seen Holtz and Raymond play live... but I'd rate Holtz and perhaps even Raymond as better goal scorers than Quinn.

[@RyanMiller3039]

What's with the blurred out guys 5:34???

[@JIMpossible]

Camera didn't autofocus yet. Everything around them is blurry, not just them.

[@barangfilms]

@@JIMpossible It's definitely done in post, not a focus issue at all. The focal length tells the story. If this weren't the case, dude in front would be in focus and the two people right side of frame would not be in focus.

[@barangfilms]

Most likely the people blurred out did not give consent to be filmed.

[@jf13579]

Here because Chad Dedominicis got mad as heck on tweeter

[@sabresthoughts5407]

I love Jack Quinn dont get me wrong. However, passing on Rossi was surprising

[@FAKEMD]

Agreed

[@tricktaylor]

Isnt jack quinn a bit old? I mean he was a congressman in like 94-06.

[@JNG107]

Rossi is a small guy. Quinn is 6 feet tall that's why lol. In all seriousness the best goalscorer in the draft is Quinn. Sabres already have enough play making centers. They don't need another one like Rossi. There one weakness has always been goalscoring ever since Jeff Skinner's production fell off the face of the earth

[@sabresthoughts5407]

@@JNG107 i can agree with this. You make a great point.

[@andrewzy]

How do feel now as he's lighting it up in the AHL?.

[@thepianomanleo3851]

More embedded please pegula entertainment step up ! get one super channel that has weekly embedded for both teams along with one bills live and instagaters could show replays of the games as well buffalo fans would it it up and in a streaming world we live in certainly pay monthly price for the channel/app

[@jeffmrowka9380]

Ohhhhh now it makes sense...devine was involved....

[@brandonbossert8258]

How does Kevin Devine still have a job. This team hasn't drafted anyone with production past the first round in almost 10 years.

[@kylecaccamise3832]

Yes because Jack Eichel and Rasmus Dahlin don’t produce anything when playing

[@tylerwojtylak6837]

@@kylecaccamise3832 did you actually read what he said?🤣

[@Ranhocfan95]

Yes!! They don't draft very well in rounds 2-7. Their roster is absolute trash outside of Eichel, Dahlin and Reinhart, but those are top 3 picks. You look at the draft the last 8 years, outside of Eichel and Rasmus, their first round draft choices are a disaster. And ALWAYS, the player drafted directly after them are superstars. It's crazy!

[@kYA00h]

everyones draft roster is usually trash after the first round except for the 90's Redwings...🤣🤣🤣🤔 check out the leafs draft years.!! Hunter and ALL HIS PICKS...!! how many of those guys skate fulltime on the leafs currently, after the first round??

[@senkofam]

Everyone keep talking about rossi. The sabres dont have luck with small player's.

[@xs8002]

Hi, Daniel Briere is calling.

[@nskater090]

They did not talk about his skating. Will he be able to skate at the NHL level? Sabres are known for drafting players who have bad boots

[@JIMpossible]

Haven't seen skating as a concern in any report I've seen. Most everyone says he's fast on the top end and skating is a strength. He's also still raw, he never really dedicated to hockey training until he was 15 or 16.

[@kYA00h]

Eichel is one of the smoothest skaters in the Nhl...absolute fluid!!! Dhalin is up there too you are messed in your head man Do you Play???

[@dereklasker5350]

So as part of a group project I’ve helped make three models to project junior player’s point per game game values over their first 3 nhl seasons. Quinn is projected at .561, which isn’t bad. But Rossi is the SINGLE HIGHEST PROJECTION in the model at .787. Perfetti is third overall at .751. They said it’s hard to project, I have a group of guys that did it. Just something to think about.

[@jeffmrowka9380]

Share the methodology

[@dereklasker5350]

@@jeffmrowka9380 multiple linear regression, KNN test, Lasso regression. Input variables were the junior scoring statistics

[@jeffmrowka9380]

@@dereklasker5350 no, the actual methodology, written in a consumable manner. Bonus points for how it plays out against multiple years of historical data and outcomes

[@dereklasker5350]

@@jeffmrowka9380 will be posted on our website mid December at the end of the semester. We did one last semester too so you can find it here: msurmandsp.wordpress.com The one with the long title is the full write up but our original “prospect rankings” are in a separate post. Those will be updated as well

[@JIMpossible]

Wonder why they even play games. They should just award the Stanley Cup to the team that analysts say has the best roster on paper.

[@andrewzy]

Both these kids are lighting it up in the minors.

[@chrisbliss7]

Should have drafted his Center the reason why he had that many goals just saying. Hopefully he shakes out.

[@JNG107]

Dude Rossi had little to no part in Quinn success especially on the power play where they never played together. Clearly you don't watch junior hockey or even seen Quinn highlights because if you did you would see that Quinn created most of his own goalscoring chances

[@theharvesterproject6779]

Same team but different line for 90% of ice time.

[@superguguttoo3530]

I wanna throw up every time I see Krueger.

[@BaljIsBoss13]

This is embarrassing I feel bad for every sabres fan watching this. They clearly have no idea what they’re doing in that front office.

[@farmerbrown7651]

This comment is embarrassing

[@TPBeachVB]

Can’t wait to see the logic of passing on Rossi smh

[@FAKEMD]

There is none

[@NewVegasNerd]

So you're a better evaluator of talent than Kevyn Adams and Jeremiah Crowe? Pretty cool, dude. How long have you been scouting junior hockey talent?

[@dereklasker5350]

@@NewVegasNerd you can look at any stats and projections from any public scouting service, counting stats, advanced stats, they all say Rossi is the far superior player. Quinn is good but Rossi is amazing, Perfetti is very good. There’s no way you can watch Ottawa 67’s game and deduce that Quinn is the better player

[@NewVegasNerd]

@@dereklasker5350 Yeah, and everyone said Josh Rosen was going to be a better Qb than Allen. Lmfao. People still treat what the "experts" say as gospel. The truth is nobody knows for sure who's going to be better than who in pro sports. Scouts and GMs know way more than any of you armchair GMs. Pretending that you KNOW Rossi will be better than Quinn is dumb as hell.

[@dereklasker5350]

@@NewVegasNerd first of all it’s two different sports so you can’t compare them like that. Also Allen had a 2% chance of becoming a star and he hit it. Rosen failed due to attitude issues and no help around him. Besides, the only advantages Quinn has over rossi is size (which has been proven over the last few years is not very important) and shot power. Rossi is better at literally everything else. And I’d say I’m a bit more than an armchair GM given that I’m currently working for a college hockey team

[@alaskaforever3879]

This team will never be a contender until they get rid of the locker room cancer that is Jack Eichel

[@hockeyman2379]

Can’t get rid of the face of the franchise bud, he’s the team, there is no team without jack

[@427bullis]

Fauci stupid masks. Good piece