Sacco & Vanzetti: Murderers Or Scapegoats?

This is the story of two Italian immigrants that were convicted of murder in 1920, but they were condemned before their trial even started. Were they truly guilty, or were they the victims of a discriminatory judicial system?

[@maureentuohy9423]

In 1921 my Sicilian Grandmother, along with her unborn baby, was killed by a bomb explosion. This left my 3 year old mother and her 5 brothers and sisters without a mother. The bomb was thrown into my grandfather's bakery because he wouldn't pay protection money. The 1920’s we're a very dangerous time to be an Italian immigrant.

[@zampieritto]

Also during the WW2. Just by 1975 when the Italians started get educated and turned into middle class they let them alone.

[@stephenwright8824]

The biggest pogrom against Italian and Siclian immigrants occurred in New Orleans in the 1880s, I think; some of the Italians there were lynched by integrated mobs. The 1920s merely followed in that pattern. A town in Pennsylvania and another in Ohio had its Italian immigrants run out of town.

[@Houston343]

Protection money to be paid to who? Other Italians? Italians in America have a wonderful legacy. From Guliani to Dan Marino to Vinny Barbarino. Italian Americans are just Americans.

[@scallopohare9431]

That money went to other Italians.

[@keyos1955]

@@Houston343 When almost your entire culture is based on Italian immigrants I would pay more respect to them. Italian Americans are Americans, yeah, but the ones that leaded your country due to their past heritage

[@mancheezethegreat8617]

My Italian family were 20's immigrants and my grandmother still has my Great grandfather's documents and the English learning lesson books he was given with his handwriting in the margins.

[@lf1496]

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html The article above is about the Racism Italians experienced coming to America. They were not considered wt at first. They were lynched and even not allowed to marry wt people in the South, being Segregated and marrying black people. They were actually listed as BLACK on the early Censuses. My husband is Sicilian Roman we live in Rome but his family in America did some research, finding out their great grandfather was listed as Black in New Orleans. He married a local black woman, who on the census was listed as "Mulata." When they moved to New York 10 years later they were both listed as wt😂 America is crazy obsessed with blackness, it's nuts🙄

[@leebowens2631]

@@lf1496 Your comment is the most interesting I've read.

[@zampieritto]

@@lf1496 to many WASPs. Poor of them, the Italians suffered a lot in that cruel nation.

[@fattyginsberg4977]

So what?

[@Hack_The_Planet_]

@@lf1496 you plugged an opinion piece lol

[@heatherr0420]

And 95 years later after their execution, not much has changed sadly

[@qazifaran]

"This agony is our triumph"

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

They should have gotten a new trial but that judge already made up his mind. Shameful. Thanks for the upload and Happy New Year!

[@Theywaswrong]

"Shameful". How funny....on a leftist finds it shameful. Were you there? One guy on this video says it so you believe it?

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

@@Theywaswrong Shaddap.

[@Marco-1997]

@@Theywaswrong except they were proven innocent after and their execution was just to eliminate a political threat ignoring clues, common sense and testimony

[@eagyinjection]

that judge should have been executed for sending to death 2 people with no confirmed evidence to convict them of murder

[@Malcolm.Y]

I have always been drawn to the documentaries of famous and infamous trials. It is hard to find any not politically contaminated. And one can start with the trial of Jesus. The judge notes there is no evidence of sedition - and then someone warns him about the "optics," of how this might look from a thousand miles away to the Emperor. Then, the judge agrees to execute an innocent man.

[@marks1638]

Many years ago I watched a mock trail sanctioned by the State of Massachusetts for Sacco and Vanzetti using the actual evidence available (including the bullets from Sacco's gun). While by modern standards much of the evidence would not meet scientific standards, except for the firearms ballistics (which turned out to be well done, even by today's standards). It was considered enough to convict them in the mock trial based on the evidence standards of the modern Massachusetts. However in a follow up appeal the case would have been overturned for retrial due to the behavior of the original Judge. It remains a controversial case and I don't think the verdict (right or wrong) will ever satisfy anyone.

[@janverboven]

Is it on public video - link please - otherwise your blowing a fart.

[@scallopohare9431]

@@janverboven OR, you could do your own search. Apparently, you would rather be nasty, including your language.

[@ZacharyOsterman]

Hideo Kojima brought me here. Joking aside, I can't speak to their innocence or guilt. I wasn't there and it wouldn't be fair to try to insert myself. What I can say though is that their rights were violated egregiously.

[@painkeller20]

Yah me too.... Hideo kojima also brought me here... The more i learn about his idea that more i get shocked by his mind...

[@TheRedRaven_]

Ironic a Japanese man taught you American history more than America could ever muster in a classroom, and albeit by a videogame.

[@ZacharyOsterman]

@𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐑𝐞𝐝𝐑𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧 yeah, our education system is biased and wants to paint the best picture possible but in the end hurts the culture live in.

[@XLGeniusXL]

Same!

[@dakotakelly2434]

“Vanzetti was found concealing a revolver of the same make and model, a .38 caliber nickle-plated Harrington & Richardson revolver, that was carried by the guard who was killed in the Braintree murder. The guard’s revolver wasn’t recovered at the scene and was suspected to have been taken off his body by the robbers. Vanzetti was also carrying 4 shotgun shells that matched those recovered at the Bridgewater crime scene, though no shotgun was found and he didn’t appear to own a shotgun.” They were both guilty

[@hernameistiffaney8181]

This was the case that made my home state sack capital punishment, if I'm not mistaken.

[@stephenwright8824]

Probably, says someone who's lived here for all my 53 years. Good show Governor Dukakis pardoned them in 1977. There is also an S&V Memorial Day in this state, though I forget the date.

[@Houston343]

What was your home state?

[@GiganticAsss]

@@Houston343probably Italy

[@kyleflounder9783]

Funny enough this case was on my history final! It was the only part of the final I did somewhat well on 😂 I liked the perspective you brought in, as it felt well researched. I've seen this case being knocked around online lately after some recent federal executions. so it's interesting to see it tying to today's society even almost 100 years later.

[@Anarquistas1]

kzbin.info/aero/PLygqavJysUHJhpSxXn2jf2QqZp9Bic_ef

[@stephenwright8824]

Having read a few books on the subject, I find his knowledge, if we can excuse ourselves and call it that, deeply and almost fatally flawed. But don't mind me; I'm just a "leftie" who's lived in the state where this all happened.

[@darkcoeficient]

@@stephenwright8824 flawed how?

[@JohnnyAngel8]

I recalled that Governor Michael Dukakis issued "something" about these two men, like a pardon. However, it was not a pardon but a proclamation after a review of the case by the Office of The Governor's Legal Counsel. From Wikipedia: "Based on recommendations of the Office of Legal Counsel, Dukakis declared August 23, 1977, the 50th anniversary of their execution, as Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti Memorial Day. His proclamation, issued in English and Italian, stated that Sacco and Vanzetti had been unfairly tried and convicted and that "any disgrace should be forever removed from their names." He did not pardon them, because that would imply they were guilty. Neither did he assert their innocence."

[@joebikeguy6669]

Quite a few years ago I became interested in the S&V case and did a lot of research/reading about it. I have to say you did a really nice job condensing and explaining a very complicated situation in just twelve minutes. One thing I remember was that the judge in the S&V case may have been unfairly accused of ethnic prejudice. For example, not allowing a retrial in the face of "new" evidence is still common to this day. As I recall (memory can be a tricky thing) he had not been accused of that prior to this trial. There is a big trial right now where the judge is being accused of all sorts of legal and ethical impropriety. This tends to be a tactic of the side for whom the trial is not going well. BTW, I was of the belief that Sacco was guilty and Vanzetti was not. Anyway, really nice writing and editing.

[@DJKronikCam710]

My great grandfather on my dads and grandmas side of the family was one of Bartolomeo Vanzetti's best friends, Antonio Savillo. Before "Grandpa Ant" passed, god rest his soul, he would go on and on about the whole Sacco/ Vanzetti situation, i remember him saying the whole this is a conspiracy, a sham, and that he couldn't speak for sacco but he said something about Vanzetti not even being there, let alone a "terrorist" or an "anarchist" not to mention he was just overall a really nice, down to earth and great guy, and instead was used as a "face" to place the blame on while the government pulled the whole thing off themselves, he didn't know what the governments reasoning was for it, he thought it was just a way to make people hate Italian immigrants (as history shows, the government is ALWAYS trying to get one type of people hate another, African Americans, italians, middle easterners, Mexicans and so on) but mind you, my great grandpa passed away when i was 13 and im 34 now so the details are definitely fuzzy lol

[@snarla99]

I find your channel fascinating. Would you consider doing a piece on the US Eugenics movement in the '20s, or on a more narrow point, the Carrie Buck case. Thanks!!

[@SkipSpotter]

Just wanted to say that your channel is without any doubt the best history channel, dedicated to the 20s era I've come across. Your regular chapters are very polished and professionally created, & I look forward to each uploaded program. Best regards.

[@The1920sChannel]

Thanks! I'll keep doing my best!

[@Theywaswrong]

Today they would have been charged under the RICO act, criminals acting as part of a criminal organization.

[@victordejung5675]

Yeah but the government allows them to operate their criminal empire, that’s why America loves glorify these criminals

[@stephenwright8824]

@@victordejung5675 THEY WEREN'T CRIMINALS! THE GLARING HOLES IN THIS KZbinR'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE CASE CREATED THAT MISCONCEPTION.

[@ohmeowzer1]

Never heard of this..very interesting thank you..love your channel.. well-researched video..please do more of these

[@ruthm.6071]

I have heard the name of Sacco and Vanzetti all my life (60+ years). I never knew the facts of their case until I saw your video. In fact I always thought that the case was based on some sort of fraud/financial scam. How completely wrong l was . Thanks for the information. Keep teaching us more about the dynamic decade of the 1920's .

[@user-gf6iu5es8w]

political trial

[@stevensiferd7104]

I'd like to suggest another subject for you -- the Centralia Massacre in Centralia, Washington. Although it occurred a few weeks before the 1920s began, it did help set the tone for the first Red Scare in the 1920s.

[@robertrhodessr3664]

Thank you for this interesting presentation, altho it almost sounds like something in today's news, with the same "actors" being the loudest voices of discontent.

[@Theywaswrong]

Hell, nothing holds up in court nowdays. You cant get a conviction unless you have a recording where they say "I did it".

[@Houston343]

Thats not true. America's system is better than most others, but having money helps.

[@philbydoodle6199]

Kurt Vonnegut wrote about these guys often,I miss his writing

[@joeywall4657]

This is a brilliant summary, dude! Excellent work! We think things have changed so much. We think we've come so far. There's no such thing as a brand new or unprecedented political or social event. It's all the same old shit. You only have to look at this example to see that.

[@sherirobinson5112]

You are definitely correct. It does continue to this day.

[@fernandoacuna1471]

It was nothing more than a political trial

[@markchambers3833]

They certainly didn't receive a fair trial. However, modern ballistic tests have shown beyond doubt that Sacco's personal firearm was the murder weapon so let's shed no tears for him. For all that he was denied a fair trial, he was guilty as charged. Given a fair trial, Vanzetti would likely have been acquitted due to lack of evidence. That's not to say he wasn't involved. The circumstantial evidence against him doesn't exactly leave him smelling of roses.

[@lanacampbell-moore4549]

I love this channel 👌😊

[@eze8933]

Fascinating. I was looking through many last meal requests on Wiki yesterday and these two stuck out to me among a few others.

[@ace1603]

why did they stick out if i may ask?

[@jackmessick2869]

Their attorney said in a letter to author Upton Sinclair (who was also a failed candidate for Governor of California on the Socialist Party ticket later, so he was a supporter of the same causes as Sacco and Vanzetti) that they were guilty.

[@Houston343]

Did this author not know this?

[@stephenwright8824]

From what I've read, no attorney (except Fred Moore, who was *fired* from the case) thought the men were guilty. And author Robert Russell had his head up his arse w re Sacco & Vanzetti. The reason Russell agreed with Moore w re Sacco was because Dante Sacco, Nicola Sacco's son, never appeared in public to admit that his father was guilty. Is not wanting to talk about it because one wants to move on from the loss of one's father any grounds for thinking that one's father is guilty? Not in any world I've ever had the pleasure of living in. 😬

[@lucasolivo8045]

This video is amazing

[@gerryroberts662]

My gradnmother, helen would tell me stories about ww1 and 2 , and how the planes flew,, and the sinking of the andre doria in july.25,1956..she was born in 1913.. and lived to feb.11,1997.. she learnerd lot from reading,,they were even stopped once, with her daughter cuddles, thinking she was the Lindbergh baby. She gave birth to all 3 children at home except cuddles who was born in a hospital.. we just burried our other aunt at age 87, and rhonda is her last born at age 74... the 1950s was a great time to be alive.. i came along much later thought.. great to learn about something i have never heard of before fro the 1920s....i only heard about thisb the other day from a radio advertisement, about sacco and vansetti..i am still learning,,this is great..

[@ashleysacco5401]

Hey sacco is my family and I still have his records.

[@markmilan8365]

Sarei onorato di portare il suo cognome.

[@Pickcherdis]

This sounds like the plot of My Cousin Vinny with Joe Pesci and Ralph Dimaggio

[@justincase2226]

Thank you. Interesting. Love their names. Funny how history kinda repeats itself..

[@ppumpkin3282]

Guilty as charged.

[@real_szop4692]

To think I got here because of a song in metal gear solid

[@akronim725]

I'm glad im not the only one here because of ground zeroes

[@Reesezhatena]

Awesome glimpse into the case, really enjoyed however I feel like you left out key points of information about the cases.

[@Ronswanson940]

Here's to you 🎶

[@solgato5186]

Holy shit, that day you have to find a better 1920s channel.

[@birdwife589]

hits close to home, my dad was an italian immigrant and my family lives right down the street from braintree

[@jimmyfbaybee]

Tony soprano brought me here

[@cornballfungus]

As a kid in elementary school, my bus route took me everyday past the memorial of where the murders happened… now I don’t work too far away from that spot. Glad Braintree ain’t so dangerous lol

[@Thomas-wn7cl]

Not associated with violence, but they were both carrying concealed pistols...

[@Old_Harry7]

That's doesn't mean anything, in America everyone (and still is) carrying guns even concealed ones. Two Italians during the 20s, in a nation which was known (and still is) for racial discrimination and violence against minorities, carrying fire arms? Honestly it would have been more fishy if their were unarmed.

[@imcnagpc2]

I thought he was going to say "and this was the start of what was known as the MAFIA."

[@Houston343]

Its started with Prohibition. So yes in the 1920's

[@joshandjames4107]

I'm friends with the Sacco Family

[@darkcoeficient]

They were probably guilty of something but not of what they were accused of.

[@Dayglodaydreams]

I don't know. =

[@MrSniperdude01]

It really isn't. I learned about this 2009. Sad part is, I was in a recent discussion with a psychology professional about the tensions over the recent police shootings in USA. We both live in MA, yet she had no idea who or what I was talking about. For those that say that only african americans get railroaded by police --- Nah yah don't (HERE'S PROOF)

[@wovfm]

Halfa guilty, halfa no guilty.

[@joshuakely9237]

I was watching the family guy movie from years ago and thought he said suckle and van city. Took me ages to figure it out. I am now 28 and am just learning about this case. I feel like anti Italian hatred isn't something that's talked about much

[@Illstatefishing]

True revolutionaries!! 🏴🏴🏴

[@nc9318]

grandpa stuck around Italy until 1953.

[@francoisebeylie2923]

Scapegoats.

[@Theywaswrong]

And that makes you a moron. These two were guilty of much more than just the indictment charges. Now we have the RICO act and they would have been guilty of that two.

[@bigcheckcalling3499]

@@Theywaswrong you weren’t even alive🤣🤣you know nothing

[@MusicMan-dv7jg]

Is the narrator Brian Taylor Cohen?

[@boardante8454]

Here's to you, Nicola and Bart

[@geoffolehane]

It is hard to cover the complexities of this case in less than 12-minutes. You missed a few things but you pointed out a few key things. Decent job.

[@jec1ny]

Both were almost certainly involved with at least one of the crimes. Ballistic tests performed in 1961 definitively identified Sacco's Colt .32 semiautomatic pistol as the weapon used to murder Alessandro Berardelli during the Braintree robbery/killings. And both men were known to be closely connected to violent anarchists. Further a lot of what was presented as exculpatory post trial evidence would never be admitted in court even today. As just one example jail house "confessions" by others who supposedly committed the crime remain a common tactic among inmates to sow doubt and try to cast doubt on any legal case. That said, the judicial proceedings were a disaster on wheels and would not pass muster today.

[@cynicalandrealistic2678]

Could you talk about the Soviet Union during the 1920s

[@Houston343]

It's an interesting question. I don't think anyone knew the horrors that were about to be thrust onto Russians by communism. But the idea was brought to America and several groups where actively trying to change our country to communism. Poor Russians. Only the Chinese know the horrors of Communism. In America we discuss 2 men who might not have been quilty but probably were but in Russia 20-30 million were killed and millions of others lived after being taken to the gulag. Read The Whispers by Orlando Figes.

[@lindyloo7177]

🎋🕊

[@christophertanner7757]

Rip Sacco and Vanzetti 🏴

[@zampieritto]

In 2027 will be 100 years. Hopefully the pandemie ends till there

[@bol4death]

I hope sooner

[@GL4T2024]

Great short documentary, but you speak so fast, it was hard to follow. I tried to slow it down to .75, but that was too slow. LOL.

[@MrsPasquale45]

Oh there's so much that you missed. The barrel of the gun was changed. The state preferred that Vanzetti stole Bartelli the pain masters gun, which was impossible because it was being repaired in a shop.. they filed down the serial numbers on the gun. Some jurors were being beaten up. The day after Vanzetti was executed his border found the fish receipt signed by him proving he was innocent. He could not have been at the scene

[@changtcg]

I've only heard about their name today because Russia captured a 3 building village in Ukraine name after these two.

[@akishiro1]

heres to you, nicola and bart

An independent ballistics test by two separate investigators in 1961 confirmed that the bullet that killed security guard Alessandro Berardelli (of course, himself an Italian) was fired from Sacco's gun. Two members of the Sacco and Vanzetti defense committee both later independently stated that Sacco was indeed the sole shooter and that Vanzetti was his accomplice (though they mistakenly believed that this made Vanzetti innocent). The son of one of these individuals said "They all lied, they did it for the cause.” In 2005, a letter from writer and social justice activist Upton Sinclair was discovered in which Sinclair said that Sacco & Vanzetti's attorney confessed to him that they were in fact guilty and their alibis were fabricated. Sinclair had been in touch with the attorney because he was doing research for his forthcoming novel Boston, a fictionalized account of the Sacco & Vanzetti trial. Even though Sinclair no longer believed in their innocence, calling it "the most difficult ethical problem of my life," he wrote the novel anyway, saying "My wife is absolutely certain that if I tell what I believe, I will be called a traitor to the movement and may not live to finish the book.” I don't claim to know whether Sacco & Vanzetti were truly guilty or not (though the evidence I've listed is extremely damning), but one thing is unequivocally certain: the two people of whose murder they were convicted, Alessandro Berardelli & Frederick Parmenter, were innocent. It's worth considering that countless thousands of Sacco & Vanzetti's supporters *did* claim to know for certain that they were innocent, and nothing could change their minds. I doubt Joan Baez ever reflected for a moment on the possibility that her song "Here's to you" (written ten years after the independent ballistics test) may be an ode to unrepentant murderers.

[@easystreet123]

Very well written. Thank you

[@keyos1955]

Do you have sources?

[@carta8399]

How come they got an official apology and they were pardoned in 1977 then? Do you have any source?

[@rockovanzetti3803]

You just never know.

[@PrestonSacco]

I wonder if I’m related to ol sacco

[@barbarapineda9062]

Victorians Italians, peoples, born 1880s & 1900s 1920s that's times I still n.. nuts Villegas, m.mum, also also wasn't born eithers, I heard this stories many times, that's too bad..who's knows borh might haves or maybe or not guilty,

[@Kingsservant83]

Joan Baez - Here's to you, Nicola and Bart.

[@billbrimmer1739]

Underscores the case against Capital Punishment. Eventually the verdicts would have been overturned. The narrator was excellent, a great video. Thanks.

[@stephenwright8824]

Sarah Ehrmann, the wife of one of the lawyers who pursued getting them a retrial or a pardon, worked for the rest of her life to repeal CP in the whole country. She died sometime in the 1970s.

[@rixx46]

Interesting and relevant to today’s irrational fear of immigrants. Great visual support to your well researched story.

[@michaelanthony9773]

These two Men came most likely to the Receiving Station, something we now do not have, at Ellis Island. They went through stringent tests before they entered in. Take your Lib B.S. somewhere else.

[@thrummer1953]

Nothing irrational about it.

[@stephenwright8824]

Calling this documentary well-researched is stretching the point the whole length of the Massachusetts Turnpike (138 mi).

[@jillcooper6740]

No. Not relevant to today. One of his very last statements is 100% his opinion which makes this not history but propaganda.

[@vanz75]

The U.S.A. at our time !!!

[@apriladams6098]

Extreme prejudice, and they weren't convicted by evidence!

[@letswin5944]

Cowboys vs Indians. Every race got a turn being the Indian, this was the Italians turn.

[@addie_is_me]

Innocent! They were the perfect patsies.

[@ohmeowzer1]

I agree 100%

[@maxwelljarman7785]

(www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-dec-24-me-sinclair24-story.html ) they told their attorney they were guilty and the attorney wrote a letter to Upton Sinclair (socialist) that they were guilty. Sinclair and the attorney refused to tell the public out of fear of being condemned by the protesters.

[@Marco-1997]

@@maxwelljarman7785 except they were proven innocent after, killed just for their political thought

[@stephenwright8824]

@@maxwelljarman7785 Their attorney of record, Fred Moore, was fired by the Sacco & Vanzetti Defense Committee after the verdict was reached. Per usual the LA Times has its head too far up its ass to know anything. I advise you not to trust them on this issue.

[@ashpikachu]

These people are victims

[@aurelnegrea7617]

How the hell you do justitie in 2021. ?? 100 year old case ??

[@meenism]

I wish our government cared that much about stopping crime NOW🤦‍♂

[@tobinprowant8021]

They were guilty

[@whenthemusicsover6028]

The one downvote is from Judge Thayer.

[@jayizzett]

Just some actors

[@ohmeowzer1]

They were set up

[@MrTrackman100]

From mu readings, probably Sacco was guilty, but not Vanzetti. I always thought Sacco should have confessed and then exonerate Vanzetti right before the execution.

[@JamesGeers]

You make it sound like they were probably guilty, tbh.

[@user-gf6iu5es8w]

long live those thrue héros! irs a shame to think thoses guys are terroriste. you Christians love Jésus who was iself an anarchiste.. long live thoses who beleive in a world of peace equality and with a comon goal

[@Malcolm.Y]

Good job. It's not criticism, but I just find it funny. You say, after WWI, people joined groups that used violence for political ends. Kinda sounds like WWi itself.

[@kendn01]

I can't help but wonder if the extreme 'left' represented by the anarchists was a reaction to the US government's extreme policy of intolerance towards conscientious objectors, and anyone critical of the US involvement in WWI. Ken Burn's documentary about WWI was a real eye-opener. Wilson's behavior was abhorrent.

[@Theywaswrong]

Someone is always making excuses for leftist. You are just another one.

[@justsomeguy4099]

Ken Burns is a communist. He'll always paint America in a bad light.

[@cjaquilino]

Anarchism is a political philosophy with core tenets, principles, schools of thought, and ideas. I don’t think it’s that useful to look at it as merely a reaction to US policy towards dissenters. Maybe some people were pushed by that but I’d bet the bulk of people that embraced anarchism did so because of their own material conditions.

[@justsomeguy4099]

@@cjaquilino and penis envy

[@stephenwright8824]

I bet this "documentary" omits the fact that Nando (Nicola was actually Sacco's brothers name which he adopted; on the brother's early death. Fernando was his real name) and Barto fled to Mexico to avoid the draft.

[@barbarapineda9062]

All races are evils or never been no- crimes, n..their's life's, also.all individ.. are singer's, that's I heard or read abouts it's books..

[@hungrysoles]

Sacco and Vanzetti were not guilty and were made scapegoats to violence and prejudice. One of the lawyers om their defense trsm was Michael Angelo Musmanno. who later was a judge at the Nuremberg Tribunal of Nazi Criminals after World War ii and a distinguished justice of the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court. Justice Musmanno wrote extensively on his participation in the case.

[@corettaha7855]

Guilty as sin.

[@Marco-1997]

@@corettaha7855 bootlicker

[@zampieritto]

No official apology for these two innocent men

[@stephenwright8824]

There was: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti#Dukakis_proclamation

[@correseguros]

Todo lo que sea anarquismo debe pasar por la espada.

[@eagyinjection]

those people who execute innocent people should given the same treatment s nicola and bart

[@scallopohare9431]

Sooo, why didn't Sand V stay in Italy, and try to make their political points there?

[@solgato5186]

"the public" got overwritten by "the rich"

[@CamusFR7]

They were crearly innocents. Shame for the ribunal.

[@Theywaswrong]

Sure, they couldnt prove Al Capone was guilty of murders either. Where is the video on his innocence and how he was mistreated.

[@maddyg3208]

These types of trials will always be controversial because of pressure on the authorities to charge someone in a high profile case, the unlikelihood that someone would plead guilty to a crime carrying the dealth penalty, sympathy for the victims and their families raising the emotional stakes, and the "class" to which the judge (and many jurors) belonged being actual targets for anarchist attacks (assassinations went on til the 30s). It's however understandable that Americans were outraged when their people were murdered by immigrants let into the US so they could ostensibly leave old enmities behind and seek a better life.

[@s.leemccauley7302]

They did that when Luncoln was assassinated. It goes on today as well. But then we also let obvious crooks walk because they have money and influence.

[@cjaquilino]

No, it was irrational, stupid, and xenophobic to generalize those incidents to Italians or even to anarchists.

[@conanmcdonnell7390]

America is a country of immigrants. You can't distinguish between Americans and immigrants, unless you are talking about native Americans.

[@stephenwright8824]

I decided, four and three quarters minutes into this Swiss cheese doco, that the narrator sounded too much like a twelve-year old to keep watching. *Disliked with prejudice!*

[@RobertJamesChinneryH]

primary or middle school project?

[@privatenunyabusiness2427]

It was 100 years ago who cares.... Lol I'm just kidding I love history it's an interesting case but no opinion on their guilt or innocence

[@Old_Harry7]

The fact that still to this day, even in this comment section, people in the US don't know about this two men or still believe their guilt further strengthening these accusations because of Nicola and Bartolomeo political beliefs, really saddens me.

[@stephenwright8824]

Ignorance abounds in a society terrified of knowledge.