I like big Galaxy Classes and I cannot lie, which is good, because they only come BIG

[@GtdAquataine]

The Galaxy is the Federation's statement of, "Look at this cool over the top science ship we can build. Now imagine if we wanted to build a proper warship. Please don't make it necessary."

[@jwisemanm]

Then the Dominion had to poke the sleeping giant, and the Sovereign Class came out to play.

[@DarkHorseJ27]

When a faction's science ships slaps another factions war ships more often than a fat ass at a strip bar, I always wondered why those factions seemed to insist on fucking around and finding out.

[@Krahazik]

Considering how much space is allocated to corridors and how nice they made the interior look. Also look at its main bridge, especially as compared to other Federation ships. Again, ment to send a message. To look good, and prominant and all that. The ship is a luxury linger that is also packing a battleships worth of weaponry. Its like, Hi we are here to talk not to fight, but if your really interest in throwing down, then we can too.

[@markfergerson2145]

@@KrahazikThere’s the mindfuck element to keep in mind. Consider every Klingon that ever came aboard the Big D (hah. hah. hah.) and sneered about how soft the humans had it. When they had to face it in battle it was a different story of course, like all ships of its class it was as spiny as a porcupine and in the hands of the right Captain, as unrelenting as a honey badger. So yes, it was kind of like a Princess cruise liner that could do fifty knots and was armed like three or four battleships.

[@GabbieTheFox]

Oh yeah. Absolutely. The Galaxy class was the Federation saying "Look at the really cool and frankly massive overkill science ship that we can not only build, but build in numbers sufficient to create battle doctrine around them. We don't want to fight... But if you wanna play, we guess we'll have to take the kid gloves off." Then the Dominion decided to fuck around and found out just how serious Starfleet could get when shit got real in the form of the USS Benjamin Sisko's Bitchslap.

[@steffen19k]

Crewman: "Sir, were out of photon torpedoes!" Captain: "Load bowling balls!!!"

[@KLanio-lr8yv]

in star wreck in the pirkening they had a mixup of lightballs, and light beer...

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

Given the difference in physical size I suppose that counts as space-equivalent of "Grapeshot" And if you then consider the average mass of a 6-kilogram (12 pound) bowling ball at an assumed velocity of even just 0.005c (five thousandth of the speed of light) you are still looking at an impact energy of around 9.5 kilotons TNT-equivalent in raw kinetic energy. Take a couple dozen of these buggers at such velocities and you need one hell of a thick armor to withstand that (shields aside) - because otherwise those balls are going to punch neat little holes into your ship because the hull just fails at dissipating such a monstrous amount of very focused kinetic energy fast enough to avoid shattering... Scale it up to 0.5c and you are looking at north of 90 megatons TNT-equivalent. From a bowling ball. For comparison, the Tsar Bomba is at a "mere" 50-58 megatons... Relativistic weapons are fun, aren't they?

[@reecewestmoreland6137]

god, imagine boarding a Connie only to get killed by some vulcan lobbing bowling balls

[@indetigersscifireview4360]

What a great idea! They open the shuttle bay doors and bowl over the enemy ships following them. 😀

[@nbsmith100]

@@indetigersscifireview4360 or dump the swimming pool, which arguably would be more effective... (and happens in a different sci fi franchise..)

[@mjbull5156]

Look, when the Constellation was commissioned, the shipyard lost all the numbering stencils except the 0, 1 & 7. They hoped nobody would notice.

[@Big_Loo]

The thing is, that's exactly the real-world reason that Constellation was NCC-1017. They didn't have any extra numbers and had to make it different enough to tell which ship was which.

[@eg6559]

😂

[@tra-viskaiser8737]

Yard commander kept saying the new stencils would arrive Tuesday... didnt say it would be a Tuesday in the 2270s...

[@boobah5643]

@@Big_Loo As memory serves, they cadged the decals from a commercially available _Enterprise_ model kit.

[@bigtomboye]

The numbers were all selected by a TV graphic designer, for their easy ability to be simply differentiated on various TV screens 📺

[@DaHitch]

The (seemingly) random nature of the ship's registration number designations could actually be a brilliant intelligence ploy by Starfleet. In WWII the allies tracked the serial numbers of destroyed/captured Axis tanks, in doing so they could through statistical analysis figure out roughly how many tanks they had and even how many they were producing. By assigning random designations to the ships no one can ever even attempt to figure out how many ships (or how many of which class) Starfleet has. :D

[@nightrunnerxm393]

Ehh...gotta remember Gene was an aviator, and there's a lot about Starfleet that's drawn from the world of aviation, rather than the navy. The whole officer-heavy thing? Yeah...that's because in the Army Air Force (and later Air Force) it's officers who do the flying and the fighting. Enlisted usually just run the bases and do the grunt work. They don't get to fly, usually. Also the whole NCC designation came from United Statian civil aviation tail numbers...and that probably means the non-sequential registry numbers come from that line of thinking, too. Aircraft get tail numbers based on where and when they're initially registered to fly, so I'd have to figure that in Starfleet, the numbers are derived from when and where the ship was built (they have a number of shipyards, after all), and has almost nothing to do with the ship's class. That's why they're all over the place and make no sequential sense.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Also, have you perused the naming conventions of military naval ships throughout the ages? Heck, let's just limit ourselves to the 20th century onward. The only hard-and-fast rule that has survived that century-plus is that the UK's Royal Navy names a (the largest/newest?) capital/command ship for the current monarch.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Non sequential registration numbers are also used to confuse enemy intelligence services.

[@Grizabeebles]

There's an episode in DS9 where the Defiant gets destroyed and they change the name and registration number of another Defiant-class ship to "Defiant". With Starfleet pulling crap like that, the records are going to be an enormous mess. And if you like the idea of Section 21, that can be a way of explaining where they get their ships from.

[@katherineberger6329]

Until 1948, the FAA assigned numbers starting with N, NC, NG, NL, NR, NS, and NX depending on the specific type of plane being registered. In the modern environment, all of the letter combinations except for the ICAO-assigned N are retired for new assignments, but some still exist for old aircraft still flying. "NCC" was supposed to be a combination of the "NC" designation (many of the production people were former commercial pilots) and "CCCP," the Soviet Union's civil aviation ICAO designation. So N(C) + CC(CP) = NCC.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

@@katherineberger6329 so technically NCC would mean NCI (CCCP being kyrillic for SSSR)🤔

[@Zankoran]

The thing is about the 1500 crew compliment is that 900 of those are "Civilian Support" roles you don't see onscreen. Barbers/hairdressers, musicians, schoolteachers, interior decorators. Part of the idea of the galaxy class was that a 5 year mission would be done on the outer reaches of space where contact with starfleet would be minimal. There would be few chances to return home to visit families which was why they'd bring them along. In the modern world we have a tour of duty of 6 months on 6 months off to avoid separating our soldiers from their families for too long but that sort of thing might not be possible. Considering that serving in starfleet is entirely voluntary morale is paramount to avoid officers washing out. This is why more then half the enterprise is staterooms and holodecks and bowling alleys and swimming pools. I do however thing there's too many crew in uniform off-duty. It seems like you'd see extras just as commonly in civilian dress then in uniform.

[@carloshenriquezimmer7543]

Unless it is the case that the decks are separated between officers and civilian, and most decks shown are the officers' decks. They have the officers' families and so on, but apart from those civilians they are only Starfleet personel there. Like an officers' housing complex, like those around bases. And they keep in uniform for the same reason military personel does off-duty, while in service. Even the bars, lounges and holodecks would be separated, like on port cities, there are the "navy" bars and so on, not objectivelly "saylors only" but most guys there are navy, landlubbers not very welcome.

[@pyronuke4768]

Well, the ship is stated to have it's crew's families along for the ride as part of it's deep explorer role, so with an average of 4-5 people per family that's like an extra 3500 civilians, or a small town's worth. From a meta perspective, yes, the officer's decks were the only ones that were shown. Obviously for budget reasons they only built a handful of rooms that got redressed every episode, but since the main characters are the high ranking officers that's who the camera follows.

[@Rindsgulasch]

The "Big D" (HA-HA-HA) was the federation's version of having "the bigger stick" a.k.a. nuclear deterrent. Still I see it as the most advanced cruise ship of the federation.

[@brentbartley6838]

Except the Romulan D'deridex warbird is twice the size of a Galaxy. At least in the amount of space it takes up. It's actual mass isn't nearly twice a Galaxy thanks to the big void between the upper and lower wings.

[@nobodyimportant2470]

Honestly the massive space on the Galaxy class would make it an amazing support vessel for an exploration/combat fleet. Send one of them along with a dozen science/exploration/combat ships so people can beam over when they are off duty and relax.

[@GabbieTheFox]

Aaannnddd then the Dominion fucked around and found out via the USS Ben Sisko's Bitchslap.

[@Rindsgulasch]

@@brentbartley6838 Oh, absolutely, but it was a plot point that the federation had no clue about the new warbirds. Imagine getting shown how little your new, shiny, big stick actually is. Bit of a worf syndrome.

[@Rindsgulasch]

@@nobodyimportant2470 So basically a mobile space station - resupply & recreation. Or, since it was (at the time) the fastest ship, a captain of a smaller vessel could just order a vacation for his crew, and the galaxy delivers it right to his door.

[@basher20]

You didn’t even bring up the space on the 1701-D for the dolphins and orcas, claimed to assist with three-dimensional navigation.

[@8Biit]

Yea... or the multi floor Database or how MASSIVE the cargo/shuttle bay really was on the Big D.

[@KenoshiAkai]

Lower Decks finally gave the space dolphins some screen time.

[@peterweingarten9403]

Wait, what? I never heard that. Were there Dolphins aboard Galaxy class starships?

[@8Biit]

@@peterweingarten9403 omg, yes. I think it was grey whales tho, like StarTrek Voyage Home, and definitely dolphins. Dolphins had ranks, like Lt.Commander, full fledged crew members. Find a video breaking down the STTNG Tech Manual. The shuttle bays were also massive airports, and their computer core database was several decks deep. Mindblowing really.

[@peterweingarten9403]

@@8Biit I'll definitely check this out. Thank you.

[@novaiscool1]

I see the Galaxy Class as the Federation preparing to take on generational star ships to properly begin exploring the galaxy. If they can do what is effectively a long term trial run of a ship that size by running it with minimal crew you can find many issues with it and fix them before they try running it as a long term colony ship filled to the brim with people.

[@alfredkugler3043]

As far as I can tell, the original 1701 got the 1701 as number because Starfleet does not differentiate between classes when they distribute hull numbers. So 1700 may be a Oberth, or any other Starfleet class ship, as may be the 1702. And then they decided to link the hull number to the ship name in the honor rolls (the list of ship names that distinguished themselves that they keep the name active, always building a new one when the next one is destroyed decommissioned).

[@chrisonken7468]

Correct. Starfleet ship numbers are chronological by order of construction. The NCC prefix stands for Naval Construction Contract. The enterprise 1701 was the 1701st ship the Federation commissioned / ordered, and happened to be a Constitution class. When the re-use a name they use the original NCC registry number and add an alphabetical suffix that progresses from A to Z, no skipping around allowed. With the exception of the Enterprise-D all of the Galaxy class registry numbers are relatively close to each other, indicating they were all commissioned / built around the same time. With the Federation being so large however, and with even smaller ships like runabouts being given proper NCC registry numbers, it's unsurprising that the numbers are non-sequential. This is technically not canon as it is derived from Franz Joseph's work, but it makes sense logically from what we've seen on screen and in official lore, and most of us prefer it over Matt Jefferies' irl explanation. At least some of the crew for the shows must agree as registry numbers consistently go up as time progresses in universe.

[@teknoaxe]

And now that I've watched the video, I'm reminded of "The Ensigns of Command" where apparently a colony of 15,000 was too much for the enterprise to handle.... Except that size-wize, it COULD handle a colony of that size and despite the transporters not working, it had a shuttle bay compliment that could evacuate the colony in pretty quick order anyway.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>

[@jwisemanm]

I think the problem there was the life support systems not being able to...support... that many people.

[@jimnicholas7334]

But this is Star Trek. Just replicate more, lmao

[@davethompson3326]

Maybe there are only two or three shitters? I mean, I have no memory of ever seeing one, do you?

[@arthurmoore9488]

@@jwisemanm Star Trek never understands life support. It's always "6 hours of life support" left, with the implication that after that everyone dies.

[@defies4626]

@@jwisemanm A large chunk of the Fat Lady's saucer was in fact dedicated to life support systems. Pretty massive chunks of the deeper reaches that we didn't see. Built more for long-haul life support.

[@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin]

Ah, finally a video on Star Trek's luxury cruise liner.

[@umad42]

Yeah, the Galaxy Class is like, truly, the Federation's middle finger to the other powers of the Alpha Quadrant. "We can build this definitely-not-a-warship that can reduce a planet to glass solo, displaces more space than two of her predecessor, on a crew that struggles to find each other in it's cavernous halls it is so massive. Thank whatever powers you believe in we're friends *right?* "

[@Grimmance]

29:00 the galaxy class ship is litterally built to highlight the strengths of both the Federation of United planets (governing body), and starfleet (the paramilitary arm of the government). The national guard just happens to be incharge of running the power plants with the engineering Corp, and shuttling experts safely around in the Navy.

[@SkylerLinux]

One of my favourite videos on the size of Galaxy Class starships, is to have the 1.5k persons to stand on the saucer then zooms out to show just how much they're completely dwarfed by the utterly massive size of the ship.

[@brentbartley6838]

You must mean the one on EC Henry's channel. It's amazing how much wasted space the Galaxy has. He compares it to a modern aircraft carrier that's about 1/10th the size with 5 times the crew.

[@carloshenriquezimmer7543]

@@brentbartley6838 if they said that the space was taken by stuff, (like cargo, machinery, fuel and so on), itthe size would make sense. A self sufficient starship, designed to fly for several years straigth, isolated from any bases or ressuplies, and facing the unknowns of space, she would need so many redundancies and materials available to do repairs and to keep the crew allive that that much space taken by it all would be reasonable.

[@brentbartley6838]

@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 Yeah but with replicator technology, most of their needs can be met using that and only need to store the raw materials needed for the replicators, minus what they can recycle, which according to Discovery also includes bio waste from the crew. They'd only need to store more complex items that the replicators can't make. Antimatter, deuterium, dylithium etc. Though some stuff, like deuterium they could supplement with what they can collect from gas giants etc.

[@joshpetersen5968]

The way I make sense is that the NCC numbers are the hull numbers of warp capable starships they are not limited to classes. Basically whenever a new warp capable ship is built, it is assigned a hull number later in the sequence. So there may be a Constituition class with a certain hull number but the next number in the sequence may go to a ship in a different class since they started construction or launched just after the previous ship.

[@aetherial87]

that's been my understanding as well

[@VDiddy5000]

That was my understanding, but the Constellation is still an oddball out with the 1017 designation being so far below the later 1500’s and 1700’s used by other Connie’s. Unless Starfleet is producing thousands of ships a year, this would make the Constellation years older than ships like the Enterprise or even the Defiant

[@Up8Y]

@@VDiddy5000 Given they also have made successor ships without a letter suffix to the registry on more than one occasion (biggest example being the Sao Paulo being renamed to Defiant and not Defiant A), and TMP era ships like the Grissom having lower registry number than any constitution class- I think it's safe to say they're just throwing numbers up there without all that much thought. Both the notion that it's related to ship class and that it's just x number out of all ships constructed have some pretty serious issues when you start to look into it further.

[@peterweingarten9403]

@@Up8Y The letter suffix is only for the NCC number, not the Name. Technichally Picard's ships are both just named USS Enterprise. One is NCC 1701-D and the other NCC 1701-E. The USS Sao Paolo only changed the its name to USS Defiant but kept the NCC number (please correct me if I'm wrong here). If it had also changed its NCC number, then it would have gotten the suffix -A.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Or the numbers are deliberately confusing as a counterintelligence measure.

[@ptonpc]

For me, the Galaxy class was not just a symbol of "We can afford to do this, over and over again" It was a symbol of a Federation that really didn't expect to get into big wars, it was to explore and be a community. The reason numbering is strange, is everything was based on 1701 being easy to read and recognise on the screens of the time. The rest of the numbers didn't have to stand out so much since they were not hero ships.

[@christophermitchell7001]

EC Henry did a video years ago on his channel breaking down just how enormous the D really is,... It was intitled "The Enterprise is Insanely Huge" . Later on someone of Reddit I believe, used his numbers to figure out that during that episode where Dr Crusher is the only crew member abroad and the life support turned off,.. long story short,... It should have taken many multiple years for her to have "run out of air" . But yeah according to EC's numbers the crew would have only taken up at most 3% of the total available floor space if spread evenly throughout the ship, and even at his theoretical maximum number of occupants ( as per on screen dialogue) only around 14 % of the total area of the ship would ever be occupied at any one time. It really was too big even with the hypothetical Beta Canon purpose of the ship taken into account.

[@murphsmodels8853]

There's a history behind the size of the Enterprise D. If you take the Technical Manual by Rick Sternbach as canon, vast areas of the spaceframe were left empty for future expansion and mission modularity. They could swap lab and habitation modules in and out as needed. Also, Gene Roddenberry originally wanted a crew of 20,000, but the accountants didn't want to hire that many extras, so they changed the crew to 2,000.

[@christophermitchell7001]

​@@murphsmodels8853 Correct, that's why I referenced "Beta Canon" ( ie stuff not in the actual series) because it's heavily implied in various novels( also as you point out "tech manuals") and the online MMORPG that the original Galaxy class was designed to be a deep space fleet command mobile base. It was intended to be sent out on missions of indefinite length at the head of small fleets ( six or seven smaller ships). As in, we are just going to go in one direction, no stopping no turning around, and see how far out we can get. All the galaxy class ships in service by the start of TNG, were basically in extended shake down to prep for those long duration missions. What stopped them from being sent out as planned was the introduction to the Borg and the Romulans stepping back into galactic military politics with the D'deridex ( a ship that is roughly three times as large as a Galaxy)

[@joeedh]

So the littoral combat ships of the 24th century. Roddenberry even predicted the dumb ideas the military hadnt even had yet :) ​@@murphsmodels8853

[@BlackEpyon]

For context, on the Gerald R. Ford, that crew of 4000+ are quartered 3 to a bunk. On the Enterprise-D, every crew member and their family gets an entire suite that would make the flag-quaters on the Ford look like a broom closet!

[@christophermitchell7001]

@@BlackEpyon correct, but look up the EC Henry video. He uses the "technical manual" schematics sets them in his computer to a scale of one pixel to one square meter. Then isolates the living spaces and averages the numbers from that. He estimated that a "single bunk" on the D was about 32 m^2 and a family suite not much larger at 38 or 40. Picard and other dignitaries get almost 100 m^2,... Anyway even with that and only counting living space the D is way way way too big. Which is why the mobile fleet base idea has taken hold in some areas of the fandoms. They speculate that the ship was supposed to act as a rotation hub or shore leave or central area for the crews of the respected fleets to cycle on and off the smaller ships attached to the Galaxy. This is further supported by the massive never seen on screen Main Shuttle Bay, which actually takes up most of the back saucer on two decks. We only ever see in TNG the smaller bays in the neck. The main shuttle Bay can deliver all the run about craft for DS-9 (an entire space station, as per onscreen dialogue) in its, room to spare, and a long side it's canonical 100-ish something standard complement of craft

[@teknoaxe]

Maybe the constitution class was like the Starfleet version of the F-16. You know, the F-16 is still in service today because they came in block numbers, that added incremental improvements to avionics and air-frames over the more than 4 decades it has been in service. So 10 is constitution block 1. And 17 is block 7. So you can definitely justify the numbers and hand-wave away the 1701 as the famous exception.

[@Revkor]

frankly the issue is they didn't care to keep number straight. the reason the NJ has 1975 because that was terry's birth year

[@PoeticTwist]

I do believe the Enterprise 4th iteration, or D's warp core was actually several decks, since they had to keep the fuel that fed the core apart from each other. Deuterium and anti-detterium was the fuel, held in individual tanks. On other ships, outside the Star Trek universe, have pools, but have special equipment that sucked to water into tanks that were away from the pool, and was part of those ship's total water. Even potable water. I believe that the same is for the Constitution class. I think that the Galaxy class was meant to be a cross between a cruise ship, an ambassador ship, and test bed.

[@dragonbait1]

A missed opportunity IMHO is design use of the Drive Section. Build Drive Sections, and you have capable, if low amenity, ship. The Galaxy- class saucer is great for long missions or missions where having a orbiting embassy with a detachable warp-capable ship is useful. But why not have a dedicated Science Saucer? Or "battleship" Saucer full of even more weapons? Or a cargo saucer for carrying large segments of Outposts or Space Stations? or a smaller general purpose saucer that cuts the amenities back, but supports a variety of missions?

[@murphsmodels8853]

My understanding based on the Technical manual is that the saucer section is modular. They could swap modules in and out as needed. Need to haul a lot of people? Yank out the lab modules and the big crew cabin modules, and plug in some accommodation modules. Need a science ship? Swap in a lot of sensor and lab modules. Need a battleship? Pack it full of shield generators and weapons emplacements.

[@agamemnonahb]

You'd walk the decks of the D and never see anyone. all of the crew, stood shoulder to shoulder, on the top of the Saucer section, would look like a tiny stamp. That always bugged me about this ship.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

on the bright side: That would keep annoyance from troublesome neighbors to a minimum while on those long missions...

[@bigtomboye]

It is space for emergencies

[@speedcreep2605]

So I read something years ago, can't recall if it's cannon but I believe the logic. Here it is: the Galaxy class is specifically designed for war. It's massive capabilities (including logistics, comms, sensors, medical, recreational, etc) allow it to act as a mobile front line starbase. It can resupply ships and assist with repairs, it can provide R&R, it can act as CIC, and it can treat severe casualties. With all of the empty space it can store more materials and more people (Marines and/or replacement crewmen). It can defend itself very well. In terms of function as a warship, not starbase like stuff, I see it as being like a Dreadnaught. Imagine this scenario, hot war breaks out with the Klingon Empire. A Federation fleet with a couple of Galaxies head straight to Ko'nos, wax the local defense force and make that area of space the center of their operations for the protracted war. This is all, of course, before the existence of the Romulan Warbird is discovered and before Klingons develop the Neg'var.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

I could totally believe that was the unofficial, undocumented, unannounced plan, but given the Federation's entire schtick of, "We come in peace," they'd probably never admit it.

[@bigtomboye]

The numbers were all selected by a TV graphic designer, for their easy ability to be simply differentiated on various TV screens 📺 On TV TNG mentioned the saucer has two void empty decks for the crew to have space to develop new facilities over time (new labs, emergency evacuation camp,etc)

[@barrybend7189]

Gene Based the NCC numbers off of Aircraft registration codes not naval codes. Partly works in that context a bit more.

[@26th_Primarch]

I heard that it was stated somewhere that NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract

[@reecewestmoreland6137]

Here's an important question. Do you think the different connies had their own bowling teams who went who up against each other when they ran into other in deep space. All with their own funny names and bowling shirts. As i think 100% they did.

[@CptJistuce]

Headcanon accepted.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Makes sense.

[@alandavis5820]

I've been wondering how long it would be before you got to this vessel. Also, I love that you actually use "on the gripping hand" in proper context.

[@umbraelegios4130]

Canonical Scotty is credited as inventing the process of storing food, beverage and supplies as energy in pattern buffers. Thus saving space.

[@wyrmofvt]

7:19 The B-1 and B-2 did not come from Skunk Works. The famous "Skunk Works" is particular to Lockheed Martin, and Lockheed hand nothing to do with either the B-1 or B-2.

[@kenwshmt]

on the gripping hand, o the grippiping hand! you could not think of a more obtuse reference than that. i love you sir.

[@EnraEnerato]

"... Imagine that (bowlingball) coming at you at high velovity! ..." Thanks, but no thanks! I know how bad it can be when a small piece of luggage, or a small dog/cat gets flung from the luggage storage in a small wheeled carbonhydrate using vehicle from our early 21st century can be if it does an abrubt emergency stop or is stopped/hit by another vehicle/object. It's BAD, like really really bad! An object of 1Kg experiencing a sudden differential of velocity upon hitting another object at lets say deltaV=50Km/hr (aka 13,8...m/s) means that thing hits you with 1Kg*13,8...m/s=13,8...Kg/s and if we assume that the transfer upon your head/neck is instantanious that means that 1Kg becomes almost 14 when hitting you like that and we are only talking about a 50Km/hr difference, not whatever the Starships experience during the desaster of the week! Also, what about that time the 1701-D became near sentient, because somehow that happened!

[@evanulven8249]

The Galaxy is great, but I've always preferred the Excelsior.

[@kennyholmes5196]

You yourself called it the "Big D". By calling it the Enterprise-D, _we figuratively made it the thing the gesture represents._ Because nobody likes it when an enterprising eight-equals-equals-three shows up on their doorstep and starts making itself known by causing damage. There's your naughty-joke explanation.

[@alenofbellwood]

If Starfleet ever got serious, a Galaxy class vessel would soon have more in common with a Star Destroyer than the average starship. Its shuttlebays can support a fighter wing the size of the Gerald Ford's wing. The civilian quarters, unallocated decks, and cargo bays can be refitted to carry the Starfleet equivalent of a full wartime sized US Marine Expeditionary Unit. In numbers, that's 75 fighter craft and a fully self sufficient 5000 Marine unit with tanks, air support, and all the bells and whistles.

[@vonfaustien3957]

I mean we saw that bad future battleship version with a third nacell and 2 massive canons on the saucer section

[@WillFredward7167]

I love this ship so much. When quite young, I got the blueprints and studied them on a looooong road trip. Triggered obsession and I designed basic blueprints of my own far smaller starship. Galaxy class ships could serve as a long distance colony ship, keeping thousands of people sane on a decades-long journey. And much later, I wrote a short story where a Galaxy-class feels compelled to go all-out to obliterate an enemy. Just a glorious ship

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

I figured, there were a couple of thousand people who just lived on a constitution class like one would live on a planet... just like that... always thought of it as having a crew, and than 3-4 times as many civilians at any one time.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Not so much, in reality.

[@resurrectedstarships]

@ 9:30 - And jsut think - the Romulans had a ship INSANELY larger than this thing, probably before the Federation! Pardon me, my part Romulan superiority complex tends to show sometimes. :P

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Technically a bigger footprint, though unclear if its internal volume was notably bigger.

[@resurrectedstarships]

@@SacredCowShipyards Oh it was...you can take either the bottom half or upper half of the Deedee and even in the lower size estimates its far more voluminus even with the gap. I've done this with 3d models...vid coming out friday.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Sorry, should have specified /useful/ volume. Those big, massive curves, for example, would be /miserable/ to put decks into.

[@dragonbait1]

A thought I has about the tiny crew is that the drive section alone is big enough for everyone, so if you need to evac the saucer before dumping it, you're not leaving anyone behind (or in lifeboats)

[@SacredCowShipyards]

That'd certainly help, but it wasn't necessarily a requirement.

[@connarcomstock161]

The Galaxy was 100% a statement from the Federation along the lines of "fuck around and find out"

[@markusjanus2151]

I believe that the Name Enterprise was synomous with the Designation (NCC 1701), So when they Commissioned the Ships after the A designation. They used the name and designation together. The Galaxy Class was in Designation with the 7000 series of ships. But when they brought in the Enterprise they used the Designation with the Name as well.

[@neogoterra]

One thing that's fun to think about with the galaxy class, think what would be possible if it wasn't configured to do everything but was configured to be a true warship, the galaxy was already considered a utter beast in universe.

[@jwisemanm]

During the Dominion War, several Galaxy Class ships were, in fact, retrofitted into "dreadnought" configuration, with one extra nacelle and additional weapons. They were, if fact, very effective ships of the line.

[@TeutonicKnight92]

It does make me wonder if the Dominion War upgrades for the Galaxy was filling up those empty spaces with more phaser capacitors, shield generators, and magazine storage

[@TheGenericavatar]

If it doesn't have a Motion Wave Gun, it's not a 'Yamato'. :D I thought the Constitution class ship had a crew of 435. That's off the top of my head, though. The official crew size might have changed over time. That, or the Enterprise started with 435 crew members and only had 203 crew members left by the end of it's 5-year mission. They went through a /lot/ of Red Shirts, after all...

[@crouchback4820]

Classic case of evolving continuity. In "The Cage", Pike refers to the Enterprise as having a crew of 203. In later episodes the number was 435. So you could just take that as one of many early inconsistencies . Or assume for some reason they doubled the crew size. You could also assume that Pike started with a crew of 435 and was down to 203 by the time of the events of The Cage, which might explain why he was so depressed.

[@russellharrell2747]

The Galaxy class can fire a huge beam from the deflector dish, which is kind of a wave motion gun if you squint.

[@mjbull5156]

@@russellharrell2747 The Enterprise visited the planet Gamilon in the 4th Season. It should have been the Yamato's mission., but she caught a computer virus and their crew did not think of rebooting their computer so Yamato was lost prematurely..

[@DefiantSix]

Theoretically, the Galaxy class were designed for 20-year missions exploring the very fringes of the Milky Way galaxy. This is the reason that provision for families was included in the design. It's also the reason that nobody bats an eye at William T. Riker spending 20 years as an XO. Now imagine the level of bureaucratic inertia involved in the Starfleet Admiralty, where you have a whole class of these ships that are capable of 20-year exploration missions "out there", and yet they're referred to as "flagships" without a single flag bridge in sight and more than one admiral actually getting in the Captain's way on the navigation bridge, they typically operate solo (instead of leading fleets, task forces or flotillas like a flagship might), and they spent the majority of their careers patrolling the neutral zones and border spaces facing your nation's opposition forces, within a single episode's travel of Starfleet Headquarters. Was Starfleet Command afraid it would forget about these ships?

[@sh4d0wfl4re]

I like to think that the ship designation numbers are selected from a random number generator when a batch of ships is commissioned. Some ships are then given the number from a namesake predecessor ship instead of the production batch number (just like how someone can request specific license plate numbers for cars)… actually maybe they are just literally space license plates

[@saulschimek7680]

The Enterprise and other vessels Given a - A, -B , etc Registry in comparison to other ships are entered into a 'Legacy Registry' to honor the name of the ships in question that have performed valuable or heroic deeds and the numbers are kept alive on the Legacy Registry in Starfleet to be transferred to new vessels to keep the spirit alive within the fleet. It's pretty much a Starfleet PR maneuver

[@ranwolf7650]

The Enterprise-D is basically the polite, well dressed, nerd that's also a black belt in Kyokushin Karate.

[@Puma1Sunfire1]

ROFLMAO!! The bit at the end telling us humies to own it was just perfect

[@jtfbreedlove]

The ambassador class is criminally underrepresented in trek, you saw Miranda & Excelsior classes all thruout most trek series and only saw a single digit number of Ambassadors.

[@hanzzel6086]

Iirc, it was because the physical model was destroyed in a fire early on, and creating a new one, physical or digital, wasn't in the budget. And by the time other projects come along, everyone wants to show off their new designs, and/or it's a separate (and very different) timeline, and/or it's set long after/before TNG and thus having a bunch of Ambassadors show up out of nowhere would be *very* odd.

[@chrisgregory3955]

Star Fleet may not want to announce that all it's ships can kill an entire world, but they did accidentally turn a nebula into a planet once.

[@dramspringfeald]

When it comes to manufacturing and military manufacturing The 17 class is likely related to the frame size and style, and the rest are iterations and officially launched. 1700 is the basic functioning prototype, 1703 was the "it failed the proton class b plating" test, the 6 failed the warp test, and so on.

[@dramspringfeald]

12:00 the US Navy ship constraints are because of the canals built almost 150 years ago.

[@dramspringfeald]

16:50 after the reboots, weren't most the ships designed to be "also civilian cruise ships" where there were dedicated military areas, but also just civilians being moved from planet to planet as well as "since you were going that way" cargo ships, the Galaxy Class ships became basically All in One ships that also were used for combat and science stuff with the majority of bodies onboard just being cargo? I mean, when headed to major danger they were teleported off to the nearest station, but in reality, save for dealing with sudden incidents the Enterprise and crew have a fairly mondaine existence.

[@dramspringfeald]

Also, also, there's a new physics theory that, the vast spots of nothing in the ships are immediate passive air supplies giving each areas a few hours or even a day or two of breathable air in the event they lose all life support and power.... which appears to be a problem with Starfleet ships in general

[@MrAirpumpkin]

"the galaxy class is a massive middle finger" Romulan warbird engineer: And I took that personally

[@LackofFaithify]

The two Big D's.

[@bryancorrell3689]

Galaxy class ships other than the Enterprise probably required much larger crews. The Enterprise had the benefit of a Soong android who, on several occasions, was shown to be capable of handling the basic operations of the ship without assistance. And Gene didn't have time to worry about things like ship designations. He was too busy writing his script about a god-computer controlling a world exactly like Earth except that the Mongol Empire never fell. And was largely populated by scantily clad women. The man knew what he liked.

[@ganykaliya7811]

Sacred cow shipyards, here are my humble observations on Starfleet rank structure based on purely observing the shows. From what I could see, the highest ranking Enlisted/NCO rank aboard a starship was Chief Petty Officer/CPO/Chief. The only time we see a Senior Chief, outside of red squad, is Miles O'Brien aboard DS9. So it seems that a Senior CPO could only serve on a Starbase, member world or at Starfleet HQ, Starfleet Academy, other Earth and near Earth Starfleet facilities, but not aboard a starship since they were apparently too valuable. Miles O'Brien only served on board the Defiant due to it being attached to DS9 and continued to serve on the Defiant after DS9's capture during the Dominion War due to Starfleet's massive personnel shortage problems. Miles O'Brien was offered an instructor position, and possibly a promotion, at Starfleet Academy at the end of DS9. Master CPOs only serve at Starfleet HQ, Starfleet Academy, other Earth and near Earth Starfleet facilities or possibly member worlds as judged by Janice Rand who was a Master CPO according to the Star Trek Encyclopedia and while serving as HQ Communications Officer in Star Trek IV. In order for Janice Rand to be allowed in space again she had to become a Commissioned Officer, since apparently they are less valuable than Senior NCOs, this is something that doesn't make sense but is something inherited from Earth militaries. As you can see here once and Enlisted person enters the Chief ranks the lines between Officer and Enlisted start to blur. For example, in Star Trek the only Enlisted personnel below the rank of Chief allowed on the bridge were repair crews, security, medics and Yeomen (before they were discontinued). Chiefs could man bridge consoles like officers and apparently had their own quarters like Officers. As Senior Chief, Miles O'Brien is made Chief of Operations of DS9, and later the Defiant as well, basically the Chief Engineer, like an officer, and is a member of the Senior Staff and is treated like an officer. For Warrant Officers, or Specialists as they are called whenever on screen in Star Trek media, which is confusing because both enlisted and officers are also referred to as Specialists as well. On in Discovery do you see these Specialists acting as substitute officers, by the time of Voyager, Janeway just gives the Maquis crew Provisional Officer ranks. In the 24th century there are possibly three Warrant Officers seen on screen in Star Trek TNG and those are Kosinski and possibly his assistant the Traveler in the episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and possibly Tam Elbrun in the episode "Tin Man." Of the three only Kosinski is confirmed to be a Warrant Officer. From this I gather that Warrant Officers/Specialists in Starfleet are specialists in certain fields designed to operate outside the regular hierarchy, and are assigned by HQ to certain facilities and to certain ships on certain missions to consult the crew. Relations between starship crews and Warrant Officers/Specialists are often rocky. Feel free to discuss this, these are just my observations based on watching the shows and movies. They could be right, could be wrong--who knows?

[@Allegheny500]

This is "because" the NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract followed by a number, so if you contract for 3 Constitution class ships the numbers would be in sequence, then you contract for other classes of ships before you decide you need another Constitution class. Now that does suppose that the lowest number would be the name of the actual ship class but for the fact that a ship class is named for the engineering blueprint and not the first ship produced so as to have a reference for the budget for designing the thing. In a post money society like Picard's this would still hold true as your budget is the available energy and time in production. Hopefully this muddied the waters sufficiently to ignore the inconsistency's.

[@Vortoq]

Wasn't D'deridex several times the size of Galaxy class ? I seem to remember the 1st empisode when they've encountered it. There was a shot showimg massive size difference.

[@TheRyujinLP]

It was, and despite being, IIRC, 8 times the mass it was only slightly slower then the Galaxy class (which gives an idea of the amount of power it could produce). The Galaxy was probably built in reaction to what Section 31 knew about the D'deridex. Could also explain why if was given an experimental warp core that was prone to blowing up just to give it a slight edge (it would probably of been slower and have weaker shields/phasers without it).

[@jwisemanm]

Yes, the D'deridex is bigger than a Galaxy Class, but it's also mostly empty space.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

It has a bigger footprint, but the internal volume is... indeterminate.

[@darthquigley]

Interesting that you compared the Galaxy class to aircraft carriers. People sometimes describe those as "4.5 acres of mobile American territory", but they're still extremely specialized, mobile airfields populated entirely by military personnel. A Galaxy class starship seems like it was intended to be that idea, but more general, like a mobile town, or the first attempt at something like a Culture GSV (an extremely large ship that serves as a self-sufficient socio-cultural-economic unit, or a microcosm of the society that built it). They weren't used like that in practice, and the Federation seems to have moved away from that concept after the Borg and the Dominion war, though some of the background material about the Enterprise J suggests they go back to it by the 26th century.

[@bartlester591]

I believe the original crew on the original Starship Enterprise and the refit numbered somewhere anywhere between 303 to 450 on the refit version in other words, the crew expanded exponentially

[@BlackEpyon]

On the Gerald R. Ford, crew sleep three to a bunk. On the Enterprise-D, every crewmember and their family gets their own suite, not to mention all the space they have left over for seeding or evacuating colones!

[@chriseash6497]

Something I have said on a different channel. You have to remember that the events depicted in TNG were basically a 7 year shakedown cruise. That is why they were sent on so many different types of missions. Starfleet was preparing for another era of 5 year missions. Then the Borg happened, and Starfleet started building Galaxies en-masse to fight the Borg. As the Borg threat waned, the Galaxies slowed a bit. The Dominion threat started coming along at that point and the Galaxies were finished, without a good deal of the peripheral internals like science labs, and the wartime refits added instead. I doubt the wartime Galaxies were crewed to the level of the Enterprise-D, probably only about about 500 ish.

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

The saucer is so massive and so thick that my model tips over without its stand.

[@enoughothis]

The Galaxy is a surprisingly fragile flying apartment block with civilians on board. My biggest problem with it is proportional, the head is too big and the secondary hull with it's nacelles is too small. It's an awkward ship that looks like a toddler with a big head and tiny legs.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

I do not really see the fact that there was children onboard as nearly as problematic as the kind of missions Enterprise was sent on.

[@KenoshiAkai]

Those weird proportions always bothered me as well. I understand that the nacelles were supposed to be longer but Gene insisted on making them stubby. And to look like a pair of massive highlighter markers. So many weird shapes in the D, on top of having such a busy texture all along its surface.

[@widgren87]

A possible in universe explanation for the mess of ship numbers might just be the number of time and alternate realities/universes related events that had ships popping in and out so much that the bureaucrats simple gave up on the whole thing... Also if the Federation went full war mode how effective would the Galaxy Class be if configured to carriers? Or just stuffed with Marines and weapons and extra Transporter bays to do some boarding actions so the Marines could have some fun. Provided anything lived long enough.

[@J_n..]

according to the technical manual these ships were designed for a mission endurance of up to 20 years. If you build a ship to take the long way, you don't build a cramped can And by the way, the definition "non-military" might just be a legal one. NOAA is although an non-military organisation wearing uniforms on their ships

[@LackofFaithify]

The legal definition of non-military is kinda the massive thing that matters. In case of armed conflict: If you are legally military and get captured as a combatant, Geneva Convention for you! In theory. If you are not legally military, welp, I would say good luck but you won't be seen again.

[@J_n..]

@@LackofFaithify combatant Status doesn't necessary means you're Military. In many countries Borderpolice are designated as combatant but are Not considered Military and the NOAA example from above although have combatant Status, primary reason they weare unifoms, but are still not Military. On the other Hand the EU for example has its own Police, Europol and Frontex, but the Military is in the Hand of its memberstates. Possible the federation doesn't designate Star Trek military for internal reasons, even if defence is part of its purpose.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

There's a volume of difference between "a cramped can" and "if you put the crew in a non-cramped grid they'd barely cover the top deck of the saucer section".

[@neonity4294]

As big as the D was, Federation ships are actually rather small in this universe. The Romulan ships were up to 1km wide, the side of the Cubes are 4-5km long and the Klingons also had ships in the same range as the Galaxy Class. It isn't that this ship was exceptionally large, rather it's predecessors were exceptionally tiny.

[@kamaeq]

Lots of controversy with the various retcons, often when "creators" change. For the 1701 Enterprise (Kirk's), from the original series to the various movies involving it, the basis was (despite claims), the original Star Fleet Technical Manual from 1975. It appears that, as usual, one reason for the removal from canon of this book was money. Some part of the IP was sold to FASA (IIRC) for Star Fleet Battles (now classed as an alternate universe) which included TOS and the early movies. In that case, the crew is 430, not 200ish. Main Engineering was located just forward of the Impulse engines on the back of the saucer (which could also separate from the secondary hull, but alas, special effects didn't allow it until TNG and was the reason the unbuilt dreadnought class had the third engine on the saucer, to give it some FTL capability), not it the secondary hull. There are also indications that there are more main engineering functions on other decks, making it a multiple deck situation. Other decks have engineering function, including the top of the secondary hull where the dilithium crystals (aka warp core(s)) was located at the end of the struts to the warp engines. Medical facilities were much more extensive and larger than you see on the show, which appears to be only the closest intensive care/examination room and patients are never transferred to the actual long term hospital rooms. TV budget issues again. For trivia, the unseen emergency bridge is located inside the circular medical section (possibly on different levels), I assume because both are located in the center of the best protected area. LOTS and LOTS of labs scattered all over the ship. Really, it looks like you spent too much time watching the TV rather than looking up the original approved literature. They are just as bad as Games Workshop, changing core parts of the setting for non-setting reasons. Sometimes financial, often enough incompetence or outright stupidity, and then there is always the "I want to do it my way" pissing on the franchise to mark it. Not that all change is bad, sometimes plot holes need to be filled in and other situations need clarifying, but changing the basics isn't good without a great reason.

[@Nero_studios]

Im very upset that the sister ship of the enterprise is called the Yamato, instead of the shinano. Yamato's name sake was a battleship, while enterprise was originally a carrier. Thematically I think it should of been different.. would off been cool to have the enterprise and the shinano,,

[@aetherial87]

There's probably as much mass, if not more, in one of the Galaxy's warp nacelles as the entire Constitution-class. The thing is a beast.

[@Kirkmaximus]

"The air lock is that way. And if you can't find it; my minions will help you." Savage!!! I bet the Sacred Cow Shipyard would get a LOT more business if it had received that Scottish accent file. XD

[@jacobvardy]

Head cannon on the size of the Galaxy-class ships, and the top heavy officer to crew ratio. My theory is that Starfleet is organised like the Soviet Red Army. The peace time Red Army was massively over officered so that during war they could recall people who had done their compulsory military training, promoting junior officers to command, and expand by something like eight to twelve times the peace time size of the army (i forget the exact numbers). Likewise, in a war the number of Galaxy-class crew should expand by at least five: four shifts of six hours, and a spare shift to give people time off. Because you need to operate a military space ship 24-7. Because there are no office hours in space. This explains the size too. During war all those staterooms go back into the replicator. Because now you need cells for five shifts of commanders, five shifts of executive officers executive officers, five shifts of navigators... five shifts of the incredibly long tail to sup[port the teeth. For comparison, something like 10% of a modern military are combatants, the other 90% are support workers. This theory helps preserve Starflleet as "...not a military organisation..." because their ships are just not crewed for combat. They can fight a one-on-one engagement but they can't last the days or weeks of a battle. Anyway, my comment is mainly to appease the Algorithm, in the hopes that my feed does not get assimilated.

[@uuddlrlrbas9904]

Listen, it had a lot of storage space. Needed the room for all those picard wines

[@rakaydosdraj8405]

Galaxy variant- modify the saucer with hard-docking ports for 10 (!!!) Defiants, 6 on the top, 4 on the bottom.

[@Voltaic_Fire]

Don't question the designation numbers, it is the path to despair and madness. The super fans jump through a whole circus of mental hoops to make the numbers work.

[@jasonscarborough94]

The Constitution class: A rare Jack of All Trades that's actually good at most of them The Galaxy Class: The Iron fist in a Velvet Glove, but, with a daycare center and a Disney theme park so you know were friendly... or at least so you know that CPS didn't survive WW3

[@bobingabout]

I'm guessing the numbers... Lets look at British Locomotive registry numbers as a starting point example. Starting with the BR era, The Class 08 as an example are all diesel shunters. but then a couple had an upgrade, and that was class 09, then you bolt 2 of them together, remove a cab, and make it slave to the controls of the other, and that's class 11. So the numbers of the constellation class could be all over the board, due to Variations. The ones that don't start with 17, such as the 10, or 15 could be more Prototypes, and a significant enough change between the different builds to increase the number in the later builds like the Enterprise. In earlier locomotive numbering, lets take the LNER for example, The A1 class had registry numbers of... 2543-2582, 2595-2599, 2743-2752, 2795-2797, 4470-4481, 2500-2508. Why these numbers? well, that's where the gaps were. Lets look at the A4 ranges, 2509-2512, 4462-4469, 4482-4500, 4900-4903. Some of those numbers are right next to A1 numbers, but some aren't and if you were just looking at a list of engines in order, there'd be no indication of which were A1s and which were A4s. It's possible that the starship numbers in the ToS era are just literally build order, or filling empty spots in the list of numbers. As for the Galaxy, Most of them do have a 5 digit number starting with 71. So you could look at these as a 71 class star ship. Those that don't start with 71, like the enterprise, are namesakes of a previous ship, which is why the Enterprise is 1701-D, and not something like the 71701.

[@clintcarpentier2424]

I remember having a conversation with my stepfather about his new-to-him boat. He ran outta gas. I told him that he didn't take into account the medium in which he was traveling. Plowing through water isn't the same as rolling over pavement. That is the fundamental difference between the Ford and the Galaxy. Wet navy ships have to take hydrodynamics into account. More ship means more water to plow. More plowing needs a larger power plant. Larger power plant needs more space in the ship. It's a viscous cycle. In short, wet navy ships contain exactly what they need to fulfill their mission, and not one lick more; that lick might cost them 2 knots, and that's an unacceptable loss of speed. "Swimming pool? There's an entire ocean outside!" And that's not even getting into maintenance issues. Spaceships have no medium to contend with. They do have mass inertia; that is, nothing to push off of to get up to speed, and nothing to grip against to slow/stop them from speed. So you can put an excessively overpowered power plant on a ship, and then build however big a ship you want, and fill it as needed when needed. "This is about the size of ship this power plant can power at peak efficiency." In short, wet navy to space navy ship population is apples to oranges. There's a lot more to it, like female expectations of accommodations playing a large part. How do you get men to remain working at resource extraction locations? You convince women to move there. How do you convince women to move there? There's a reason they're called "Boom Towns." For instance, the Alberta oil sands companies will pay you a $100k starting salary, and educate you, and give you a down payment on a local house, all you have to do is move to Fort Mcmurrey to work; yes, it's a shithole in the middle of nowhere, and most wives would prefer to live in Calgary forcing their husbands to commute. There was a women complaining that she hated the town she lived in (the next door town, I'm a flooring installer). She was saying that it has nothing. I said, "Oh no, on the contrary, it's a mining town. Who mines? Men. The town has a grocery store, a hardware store, a drug store, and three bars. What else does it need?" Her husband was nodding while she scowled at me.

[@uuddlrlrbas9904]

Truly a viscous cycle

[@nekophht]

Technically, in Star Trek, hydrodynamics is replaced by warp field dynamics.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

While you're right about sublight spacecraft, I agree with @nekophht that injecting a warp bubble into the equation changes a great number of things.

[@haperitz9741]

Does the DockMaster know about Cetaceous Navigation? I think its deck 11, and for the non-latin speakers it was a fully aquatic deck for uplifted dolphins for 3 dimensional navigation.

[@mendez256]

Some maths, a photon torpedo is about 2m x 0.75m x 0.5m, you could easily stack them 3 high and still be able to pull them out of a storage rack. A basketball court could could fit roughly 32 rows of these racks, and 4 rows with plenty of space between to pull them out and move them out of the room (without needing this it's 5 maybe 6 rows). So a large room could hold 4 rows x 3 high x 32 long = 384 torpedoes. Which my memory is kind fuzzy but is probably about what canon says the Galaxy has for it's entire photon torpedo capacity (we're within an order of magnitude). Now I'm stealing someone else's numbers here but deck 10 (the largest deck) could fit 256 basketball courts. So we could put 1 torpedo in every room to get the canon magazine or, hear me out, why don't we put 384 torpedoes in ever room and have a total capacity of 98,304 torpedoes. Or if we could fit 4 torpedoes tall (which wouldn't be too hard, think you could actually put 5 high) into the deck 131,072 torpedoes. And Sisko boasted about having like 5 thousand. The Galaxy is fully capable of being a planetary annihilation weapon. And that's taking low end estimates of photon torpedoes, which are roughly equal to the Tsar Bomba, and the high end estimates go off the charts because sci-fi writers have zero sense of scale.

[@tirirana]

The numbers make as much sense as the original stardate, that in the beginning had only two rules. It has to have four digits and one decimal point and it has to be bigger than the last one.

[@horschtindiana6041]

Maybe it's something like first digit is the designated use, second digit is the building site and then it's the actual serialnumber

[@russellharrell2747]

Kirk’s enterprise had a little more than 400 crew members on board, with the D having just over 1000 folks on board. Of course the D was reportedly intended to have a crew of 4K or more.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

the registry nearly always only make sense with just the enterprise, since they are reusing the name and number of that one ship, but like others said it became random by tng, or atleast more nonsensically random, there IS an ancient manual that states that the connie class before the refit was about 3 different ship classes with slightly different refits, but neither do i own said manual or even remember what it was called. But theres more to the written lore than it seems just good luck to the average person looking for it...including now.

[@daddymazzy4800]

Dolphins don't forget the dolphins, and the fact they had their own dedicated escape pods....

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Perhaps the numbers are done similar to licence plates for cars, where you can get custom ones if you realy want, or you get whatever the DMV (or DSC??) of wherever you're registered gives you, or you special ones for special users (i.e. CD) or, if you're a bit paranoid you get randomised ones to confuse enemy intelligence services (just like "Y-Tours"). And aparently you cant get one with a ,

[@IrideaeSnowbloom]

Ivanova referenced in the first minute? Good episode. Now to watch the rest of it.

[@merafirewing6591]

90 megaton bowling balls, now that's something to see it whallop an enemy starship. Now we need a scotish Sacred Cow Shipyards.

[@jwisemanm]

I mean... at full impulse a bowling ball would be a very scary projectile.

[@MeNoOther]

14:00 the USS Cerritos, California Class ships are the most powerful warp cores. The California Class warp core is meant to power colonies and are support vessels

[@vonfaustien3957]

Relitive for it's size maybe bit Amy of the big capital ships are pushing more energy than a California class. Powering a small fringe colony is a drop in the bucket compared to leveling the surface of a planet in an hour

[@vonfaustien3957]

Relitive for it's size maybe bit Amy of the big capital ships are pushing more energy than a California class. Powering a small fringe colony is a drop in the bucket compared to leveling the surface of a planet in an hour

[@SirAroace]

Galaxy Class is basically a mobile deep space station, this thing was made to go into the black and not come back until it was done.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Not wrong.

[@Swindle1984]

I'd love if you'd do a video on some Gundam ships, particularly the big battleships like the Dogosse Giar (super aircraft carrier combined with battleship mounting three massive guns) or Gwadan (massive battleship/super aircraft carrier/mobile fortress and headquarters). I believe the Gwadan even matches the Galaxy-class in length.

[@Swindle1984]

Another aspect of the Gwadan, related to you describing the Galaxy-class as a massive "look what we can do" middle finger, is that the Gwadan was exactly that: a massive flex over the other factions (Earth Federation, the Titans- nominally subordinate to the EF- and the AEUG). It was, at the time, the single largest warship ever built, and remained the biggest warship for decades afterward; in fact, I'm not sure it was ever actually surpassed in size. Not only was it large enough and heavily armed enough to take on a small fleet by itself, it also came with a complement of 100 Gaza-C mobile suits and an unknown number of other mobile suits (it had the Qubeley, but whether other MS were aboard is unknown). The Gaza-C was itself a massive flex: while the AEUG and Titans (who had an absolutely massive budget they loved wasting on one-off prototypes) only managed to produce transformable, high-performance mobile suits in very limited numbers due to their complexity, fragility, difficulty to manufacture, and difficulty to pilot, here comes Axis Zeon with the largest warship ever built and a full complement of mass-produced transformable mobile suits that, on paper, were very high performance. The flex was also a bluff, however; the Gaza-C was difficult to pilot, the transformation mechanism was delicate and broke down after being used only a few times so most pilots just kept it in one mode or the other more or less all the time, and the vast majority of Zeon pilots at the time were rookies with no combat experience. Oh, and just to add to the flex, the Gwadan had a massive throne room, ballroom, private suites, etc to cater to royalty and rub their superiority in the faces of visitors aboard ship. In a dedicated warship. Did I mention that Axis Zeon built at least FOUR of these battleships? And in a setting where a mobile suit that's more than a year old, or even more than a few months old in some cases, is often hopelessly obsolete, the Gwadan was so massively powerful that the last surviving ship was considered the most powerful warship available thirty years later?

[@williamobrien9666]

1701 original crew complement was 430 for it's original appearance.

[@phluphie]

Pike says in "The Cage" that the crew is 250. My, in 'verse, explanation is that Pike was flying around w/ just the people needed to operate and fight the ship. In Kirk's case he also had an extra couple hundredish scientitians and exploration people as part of the crew.

[@chheinrich8486]

If you find the galaxy class itself crazy big, I just remember that the reactor on an imperial class Star destroyer is likely bigger than the damn ga,any class saucer😂😂

[@chheinrich8486]

Maybe not bigger, but I’m sure its diameter is equal to the length of real world aircraft carrier

[@Brynn_Wood]

I wonder if an in universe reason that there was a full regulation swimming pool in the constitution class was because Captain Jonothan Archer wanted the crew to be able to play water polo.

[@cooper10182]

Well, from what I understand, there is "Cetacean Ops" so the is a compliment of Dolphins aboard and all the water they need being aquatic. Plus the Galaxy class was supposed to be deep space explorers. So I would imagine that they were supposed to be loaded to the gills with supplies, science equipment, labs, and personnel while the Big D was Starfleet's "Flagship" (which would be an episode in itself, cause no admiral, how is it a flagship?)

[@SacredCowShipyards]

"Flagships" are simply the ship where the commander of a squadron keeps his offices, and he can just be a Captain, but still a valid point.

[@christophergreen2892]

Star Fleet pretends it's a heavily armed Coast Guard.

[@kommodore6691]

Federation ships are pretty small and tame compared to most other universes where the standard battleship is a 20km large world destroyer, then the next one has to be even bigger to one up it, not even just Star Wars is guilty of this.

[@philmitchell8109]

I always felt sorry for the cleaning crew for the holodecks. Hope it was wipe down!

[@cgourin]

I believe I remember a news that a Saudi prince wanted a pool on his Airbus A380 private jet. But they had to explain to him it wasn't really doable, the colossal weight, the flapping around of tons of water and my favorite at pitch down the pool could rush forward dooming by destabilizing the plane and drowning the pilotes in the cockpit. To get over this sever injustice I guess he had to do the usual: gold everything.

[@nunya3163]

The number of floors on a Galaxy class, not scaling perfectly with the ship, in comparison to the Constitution makes some sense. The Connie was a far more spartan design, with much lower over heads (ceilings). The Galaxy on the other hand was designed much more for comfort, and as a result, had much higher over heads, basically cathedral ceilings. Then factor in all of the additional utilities that are run between the decks, to support the myriad of new labs, and facilities, and you get a much taller deck height.

[@notagooglesimp8722]

I do too. I love my version of the Galaxy Refit in STO. It is setup as an attack carrier with the laser and stuff but also can launch a bunch of shuttles to draw fire and do damage on enemy shields. Also I'm one of the morons and I came over in an exo suit. Sorry. I think the Federation just names and numbers stuff, including small craft like license plates. Repeat the same 5 or 6 or 7 digits. I think they made like 12 Constitituion class as far as they ever said in the original series. Then I bet they added more in later stuff.

[@MeNoOther]

Starfleet is kindof like Westpoint Academy. Though they did have "working" crew members. Worf’s adopted dad and Chief Miles O'Brien who didnt go to San Francisco Starfleet Academy, but Mars base recruitment Academy (kindof like Starship Troopers army camps)