//gore//【Personal Jesus (Warriors, Ashfur) MAP | Part 18】

[@ashtrall]

Thank you so much for participating! I’m really happy to see Bristlefrost in your style

[@fableindigo]

Aged like milk

[@catdango6079]

@@fableindigo fr

[@egg8294]

@@fableindigo how

[@detectiveeli2597]

Please tell me they were taken out the map

[@ZamaDraws]

@@detectiveeli2597 they were ! Thankfully

[@Artz_within_the_mist]

Year later…..who else came back to see if anything had changed 👇🏻

[@QueensWillNeverCry]

Ye

[@MosssyShadows]

I have :

[@Phantom_Of_Fandoms]

Yeah…

[@firecatinblack]

I remember it like it was last month, its crazy. I was expecting her to say something for the first few months, now I still every now and then that I see her videos in my recommended check if theres any update

[@roffproductions7352]

Idk but I refuse to even subscribe or like any of her videos after what she did

[@OldSquirrelflight]

Hello people. Friendly reminder that this is basically over. She's gone. If she's coming back, she'll do it. No one knows anything about where she is now, and we won't until she does something. The animation was great, and it's unfortunate to have lost such a great animator≠person. That's the way it is for now. There's nothing gained by constantly bringing up the situation every day. The drama had it's spotlight and the situation ran it's course. Let's all just back off it until something else comes to light. If she can be redeemed by any means, 24/7 attacks aren't going to help. Good day to you all.

[@Macyorn]

she died?

[@OldSquirrelflight]

@@Macyorn No. She vanished from the community.

[@Isuckatanimatinglol]

@@Macyorndon’t think so. Just means it was devastating to hear that a great animator was a predator

[@P0PC0RNC4T]

She might have just ran away, right after her secret with her and that minor was revealed. she's probs hiding from the internet

[@thelanktheist2626]

She can’t really be redeemed, I hope she doesn’t come back, she’s a monster

[@ashfeatherartz]

Me being autistic, it's extremely hard for me to understand and grasp the fact that all of the people who influence me and my art are becoming horrible or doing horrible things. I attach myself to the art, and I hope that the victims in this case do not see those of us who attach to the art as supporters. I'm deeply hurt by this and I wish the best on every victim

[@robynouille]

i for real want to throw up i quitted the warrior cats community for a year and then i comeback and ever artist i lived became bad i want to go back to 2018

[@JesusisKing801]

I'm autistic as well, I just find it hard to believe. Sometimes I think I dreamt the whole Sally thing out. But at the end of the day...did I?

[@biggyfishy130]

Oh yeah start off everything with “I’m autistic 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺” go milk your goddamn pity party somewhere else freak-o. It’s not your personality. Not everyone has autism- I can guarantee you don’t you just gotta be “special”

[@Birbzz]

this still infuriates me. the minor is not a “victim :pleading_face:” as a 16 year old (back then) they could THINK and MATURE to make a decision to not step into a relationship with an adult. but no, they did and now blame it all on the other person. im not saying that sally is completely faultless here, yes she wasnt the good one either but the younger one is just stupid. also, you cant call them a “victim” it was just a fucking online relationship, go attack the real pedophiles out there. come at me

[@ashfeatherartz]

@@Birbzz while I agree, an adult dating a minor is still a pedophile.

[@Woodland_Coffeiii]

Giving free hugs to the people who grew up and got inspired by their animations, what they did was not ok and is incredibly disappointing :(

[@squirrelbeez5123]

Thank you, I’m really just super disappointed at this behavior.

[@WillowstarAnimates]

I can’t even go on with my day knowing that someone I liked for three years has done this

[@silkypaws420]

Thank you, it’s super disappointing:[

[@TDIFan2]

I’m so disappointed rn I’m so upset about hearing this bro I can’t trust my favorite artists anymore.

[@squirrelbeez5123]

@@WillowstarAnimates exactly. Like I’ve been supporting this creep for FOUR YEARS????

[@mahlukstudios]

Here’s some popcorn for you people who are about the read all the arguments in the comments 🍿

[@paxymanu]

thank you

[@Berryheartiscomingforyou]

Thanks - do you have some coca cola too? 🍿🥤

[@DearestJ19]

Tyty I’m starving

[@boggleboyz]

I got'chu bud might be two weeks late but eh worth it@@Berryheartiscomingforyou

[@SNOW_THE_WOLF]

It was like five years ago and they continue to cry about it

[@catslogs17]

I'm sorry but I can not follow or subscribe to you anymore for trying to groom a minor and silencing them. Do you have any idea of what that could do to them mentally in the future. I really hope they are ok now and that you get help.

[@discostyxxart]

⬆️ ⬆️

[@keegandempsey1858]

@@discostyxxart what are you doing here 👹

[@discostyxxart]

@@keegandempsey1858 i’m dumb who are you

[@WillowstarAnimates]

It’s really disappointing, it should be more popular too. Sagutoyas has been inspired by many young artists (including me) and she decides to do this terrible thing. And she’s in so many of my favorite maps too. Now everytime I watch my fav maps I’ll have to deal with her being in them. This sucks

[@catslogs17]

@@WillowstarAnimates I know she also inspired me and its so disappointing and messed up

[@vicfrank4909]

Raise your hand if you’re still waiting for an update

[@DustyTheDingo]

They were caught grooming and trying to silence their victim.

[@vicfrank4909]

@@DustyTheDingo I know, I meant those who’ve been waiting for Sagutoyas to say anything regarding the situation

[@AyanoAishisdaughter]

✋🏿

[@Frost59]

🖐

[@ilovebluberries]

🖐🏼

[@Marrekeye]

It’s very rare I put a comment on something, but this is important. I’m not going to go on a whole tangent on why what you did was wrong, the fact that you told the minor to be silent is an admittance of the fact that you knew it was wrong. You’re the adult, from day one it should have been common sense to shut any attempt at a relationship down. You are an adult, they are a child. You know better. You didn’t care that it was wrong, you just cared if you got caught. It’s genuinely disappointing to find this out, it really is. Do better.

[@andrewandtheinfinitesadness]

couldn’t have said it better, her behaviour is gross and i stand by your statement completely

[@Nothing_1.]

That is true. It’s not ok that they would do this I TOTALLY agree with you . This disgusts me, I thought sagutoyas was better and wouldn’t do this. this is gross and disgusting .

[@BitterCyder]

True, but in Sweden the age of consent is 15, and I’m highly positive they knew glitch’s country didn’t allow that. Makes it even worse, but shows that sagutoyas is free from any legal consequences.

[@Marrekeye]

@@BitterCyder yes, sadly that’s true. The fact that Sally very likely knew that and used it to her advantage is deplorable and shameful.

[@lottavuorinen]

4 years is not a big age gap. Ya'll are overreacting

[@nuniyoa]

for anyone not sure what the drama is about: sagutoyas groomed a minor when they were 21 and the minor was 17, sent them explicit pictures, and told them to keep their relationship a secret until the 17 year old turned 18. they met when the minor was freshly 16.

[@humanbeeing4780]

Uh Okay 17 is not the same as 7… the “child” was like, what, four months away from being an adult?

[@humanbeeing4780]

Also this was 4+ years ago so

[@Stelledore]

@@humanbeeing4780 So you’re saying age is just a number? The victim was a MINOR. Sally is an ADULT. It’s disgusting that you’re defending this. Like my god, is it THIS HARD to have human decency??

[@bhood2000]

@@humanbeeing4780you are seriously being so stupid. Age is MORE THAN JUST A NUMBER! No one cares if the victim was 17, they are a minor. Get things right! If the world is gonna turn this bad, it should just end.

[@bhood2000]

@@humanbeeing4780and WHOC ARES IF IT WAS 4 YEARS AGO? She still did it! God, learn how people don’t forget!

[@isakboba6487]

God I’m so disappointed how hard is it to not be a creep to children?

[@teas_coffee_shop9152]

I guess very hard for some people.

[@fableindigo]

Astronomically difficult apparently 😒

[@catdango6079]

ONG

[@justahobo]

Im not trying to defend her, but sometimes people are ill and just can't see that what they are doing is disgusting and horrible

[@fableindigo]

@@justahobo Your comment should have ended at "I'm not trying to defend her"

[@goreboy6979]

sally does NOT need to do a statement, she needs to log off, take time to reflect and not immediately drop an apology doc/defense of herself or whatever. i do not give a shit none of this was okay

[@goreboy6979]

immediately apologizing to her fans is so stingy

[@darkbanez]

REAL. LITERALLY

[@bludreams3301]

This is Very true

[@lesbianshrimp_]

You have been making the best takes within this comment section, THANK YOU. So many people are making it about themselves and how "I'm so disappointed.. my inspiration 😭🥺🥺....all the wc animators r bad..." when the actual thing to be worried about is the victims, not the groomers fans.

[@00026-k]

Ong

[@Moonbeanie]

Welp, there goes another person who I looked up to... Dude, as a groomed victim MYSELF, (16 year old me and 24 year old another individual) this is just absolutely disgusting behaviour of yours. Nastily grooming in private, keeping the minor be silent about what you two were doing and sending NSFW to them too, not just one - But to multiple. What a goddamn shame... Man, I hope to not see more of your content in future, this is all just so goddamn messed up.

[@KebleStone]

Man/Ma'am can you calm down and talk polite please?

[@maddieskulls2438]

As somebody who was groomed by their own relative as a child, this behavior sickens me and they need to be removed from this platform no matter how long it takes. It takes alot to come out against an abuser, especially when said abuser treats literal pedophilia as a "silly joke" and game within their friend group. You almost start to believe it's okay because everyone's complete disregard for something absolutely very serious makes you feel as if you're the one who is overreacting. I just hope the victim and anybody else hurt by Sally get the voice and justice they deserve.

[@KebleStone]

@@spiral_crow ?Yes talk polite to a groomer of course to ask her get out of the community become a calm person still better than a person who open there mouth to shout, yell, if it doesn't work you can ask her out like Moon do that all.

[@dogtism]

@@KebleStone what

[@KebleStone]

@@dogtism what? 👀

[@SharkyCharlotte]

Damn i hope the victums are okay. You were truly an idol to me your animation was fantastic. I wish such talented people would stop turning out to be monsters. I truly hope the victims are okay. And that they recover from this. As for you. I hope you take a break from the internet and.redeem yourself into a better person thats worth following.

[@Lysh-kp6ug]

That’s what I’m saying! People want them to leave leave and I get that but I am trying to be a calm communicator here. They need a break and to think of what they done. Then come back. They can really be responsible here. They need to reply soon enough. Now people will get heavily toxic to them, send them threats and everything a hater does. I hope KZbin doesn’t remove them here as they are the warrior cat’s fandom used to be favorite.

[@SharkyCharlotte]

@@Lysh-kp6ug they need to do more than just think about what theyve done but i see your point!

[@froggo5365]

I don’t think there’s any chance of forgiveness left for Sally. What she’s done is too disgusting and illegal. There should be no place for people like her in this community

[@SharkyCharlotte]

@@froggo5365 i never said to forgive them. I just want them to go and take a few years to improve themselves as a person and redeem themselves. People can change. But they have a whole lot of work to do. No one needs to forgive them. But they need to get better. And get help.

[@Voxaints]

@@SharkyCharlotte I agree on this.

[@dedicated_heart]

People, I know you're disappointed and desperate, but writing these terrible things like "kys" it is already at a lower level. Behave like adults, we're not monsters, so behave like a civilized person. Keep some comments to yourself and if you don't have to, don't say anything because it doesn't help. By the way, wishing harm to another person is also a crime.

[@bunjicords4630]

thank you for being civil

[@SunnyStarzz]

fr no one deserves to be told to kys

[@hookfangs]

Thinking about harming someone isn't illegal. Actually harming them is. (I do not support Sagutoyas, nor anyone who wishes to conflict harming against Sally, I am just saying. But yes, you are right.)

[@essyr1715]

If only there were more people like you the world would've been pure gold

[@zea_animates_it]

Omg they were sending death threats!?

[@mcdeath2945]

hello, alibi here. Sally reciprocated a response/admitted physical attraction to this individual on a voice call. This is not your place to forgive or lecture and it is up to the people affected/witness of this to deal with it. Stop defending sending p0rn to a chat that held people as young as 11.

[@lesbianshrimp_]

EXACTLY!! I've seen people in here talk about how "Erm..they were 17! And thats pretty much an adult!" as if Sally wasn't doing this around people that were LITERALLY 11-13??

[@zyreations]

thank u for the info! what i read on twitter really watered it down which was annoying

[@humanbeeing4780]

Why were 11 yr olds on discord though There’s an age limit for a reason

[@heimlichniccalsclownenthus1869]

@@humanbeeing4780 don’t blame the kid for this you asshole. sally made that choice herself knowing fully what she was doing, she was the adult here. she can handle herself.

[@fruibipebbles1360]

@@humanbeeing4780don’t blame the kids in this situation

[@calposa]

if the victim is reading this i hope you're okay and you didn't deserve it. i hope sally de-platforms after what she's done has been brought to attention.

[@cygankarumianka9782]

Well the victim isnt a kid. She isnt 5, 10 or even 15. She is 17 if we would wait a few monts nothing would be spoken of. They were sanding nsfw to each other remeber? The victim wasnt a child who was used or something, she knew what she was doing.

[@soupkin3256]

@@cygankarumianka9782 The grooming started when the victim was 16 and regardless, 17 is not a legal adult and Sagutoyas was 21 when this began??? And Sagutoyas was the one who first started sending nsfw to the minor. On top of that, she asked the minor to keep the relationship secret??? The victim WASA CHILD WHO WAS used, don't make it seem like Sagutoyas did nothing wrong, that's a bold faced lie.

[@cygankarumianka9782]

@@soupkin3256 Watch Block studio video about it bro.

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

@@cygankarumianka9782 WA- EH- BU- 17 is still a kid...

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

@@cygankarumianka9782 well not like kid kid but just like still a minor

[@QueensWillNeverCry]

Flip personal jesus, you need a personal GOD

[@Random_110]

Jesus aint god tho

[@DonnaChoi1004]

Can u shut up attacking sally wont help

[@Milk-pm1hq]

You need a personal jesus

[@Cromazone]

@Killerr_Queennn lmao 2

[@randompeanut1156]

@@Cromazone lmao 3

[@jagerbombers6089]

Lmao 4

[@AdderIsVenomous]

This is such an ironic fucking /hing to animate-

[@cascadedeclipse8240]

All I can say is I whole heartedly agree and this is one freaking brilliant comment.

[@FH-zc3yr]

Comentario en español que nadie buscaba, pero siento necesario desahogarme donde creo que nadie me encontrará jajaja. Fue una animadora que me inspiró un montón y la neta me pone super triste que tenga tanto talento y haya decidido tomar las acciones equivocadas. En este momento te dejo de considerar como un gran ejemplo a seguir y admirare solo el trabajo. Troste.

[@VentilianVexus]

ive been groomed before at 15 by an adult. knowing you’re one makes me despise you.

[@VentilianVexus]

best of wishes to the victim as well

[@sakaisky8192]

I’m so sorry this happened to you too :[ I hope you’re doing better now

[@humanbeeing4780]

Cope seethe mald

[@VisceralFossa]

@@humanbeeing4780 Get off the internet you freak.

[@cascadedeclipse8240]

Dang, I hope you’re doing better these days. What Sally did is freaking sickening. I really hope that the victim or victims are doing well to. They didn’t deserve this.

[@runesystem52]

These comments are not it. I don't care what yall think age of consent is 16 years old is a CHILD.

[@FreakishlyFreakyCat]

Well not EXACTLY a child, Teen but still just as nasty

[@DonnaChoi1004]

ok but roald Dahl a word famous author has a 20 year age difference with his second wife 😟

[@SaturnSkyez]

For those of you who are minors defending sagutoyas, I'd like you to stay out of this as you're not going to understand what makes this situation yucky until you're older. I thought the same way as you guys and meanwhile I was being groomed from ages 15-17. Trust me, it is a disgusting situation and you just need to be older. N I mean that with love and care. You don't have to have an opinion on everything. You don't have to proclaim that opinion everywhere. Sally plans to make a statement: at minimum keep your "I don't see a problem" until after that.

[@elazayth]

Good comment! I was an underage minor in three relationships with adults and I've still not really got over that totally twisted mindset, much as I want to. Not quite the same as just being young, but there it is.

[@SunnyStarzz]

thanks for ur lovely comment and keeping things civil 💖

[@McChiggen]

Okay, I'm not defending her but I AM a minor, but I understand what's going on here and I don't want to be discluded for being younger, please don't make it seem like "Only the older people can intervene."

[@KoenDraws]

​​@@McChiggen This.

[@SaturnSkyez]

@@McChiggen Sorry I never got a notification from this until someone liked it recently lol, but I really do think that your comment kind of does prove my point. A lot, actually. Nobody is saying that you cannot understand the situation at a young age, that is nowhere said in my comment. What I am saying is that if you are a minor making excuses for Sagutoyas, you are very clearly not in the right conversation and it is not healthy for you to try and give a reason for why Sagutoyas (an adult) did what they did to a minor. I am saying as someone who did the exactly same thing, that it's an attitude like that which allowed adults to take advantage of it. Adults //should// be the only ones intervening in this specific conversation, if even at all. Trust me, nobody is questioning your intelligence to understand immensely difficult situations. What I am saying is hey, maybe if you are a minor who is actively going to defend someone called out for abhorrent actions, maybe take a minute and remind yourself that you don't have to have an opinion on everything. You don't have to comment on everything, reply to everything, and share everything. You can make your own conclusion, say it privately, and move on with your life. And I say all of this correctly highlighting the people defending Sagutoyas. Nowhere was I discouraging minors from denouncing Sagutoyas. It just. It really isn't healthy: I am saying it with care, and as someone who did the exact same thing at a similar age.

[@Voxaints]

Jeez, people need to calm down in all seriousness. It's insane that even after half a year there are comments flying in telling her to off herself. And why are so many people making this about themselves? "You disappointed me, you were my idol, I despise you now, you hurt me etc.." This is not about you but about her and the other parties DIRECTLY involved. And if she seriously was your absolute idol and inspiration, how come you only hear of all this just now? I can't believe people are still making such a huge thing out of it and act as if they were directly involved.

[@Lebicoochie]

Ikr??? It's incredibly annoying when people are like "it's a shame we lost such a good artist" like BRO??? Do people even CARE about her victims??? THEY were the ones that went through horrible shit,,,

[@greythelynxYT]

hmm so she had more than one victim? im confused since i thought glitch was the only one?

[@Lebicoochie]

@@greythelynxYT Oh sorry, yeah, I'm p sure Glitch was the only one, I'm not quite sure why i typed it as if there were more mfndm Still, it's pretty messed up what Sally did to em,,

[@candywolf8176]

People just want to have a reason to complain and get involved with drama, or they just really hate Sally because they are disgusted in what she done and want to hear an apology already. I guess people expect popular KZbinrs like this to just drop an apologetic video but that's not what Sally needs to do, she really needs to apologize to the parties involved only, Sally did nothing to her fandom but create a shock to the community in what she had done. There's even people still supporting her. It really all depends on what people think. Honestly, though, this is the dark side of social media, which causes people to believe that it's okay for an adult to hurt a minor, though in reality, it isn't. Just because she has nice animations doesn't mean that it's okay to hurt a minor. Though yeah, I agree this has been going on for too long with the comments. All we can do is wait, and it's okay to love the art and not the artist.

[@aeroxoxo]

Unsubscribe moment This is honestly heartbreaking I've been subscribed for like 4 years but I can't support someone like this.

[@biah2274]

Me too, I was devastated, I told all my friends I wanted to be like her, animate like her, naive and foolish I was

[@Toast-Friend]

Me too. She was one of the major people to get me into warrior, and so many of them are getting cancelled. They all deserve it but its sad to see my childhood seeping away.

[@catdango6079]

ONG

[@yoikizou]

Same..

[@McChiggen]

@biah2274, don't blame yourself, we all were fans of her. she was a good animator, I can't deny that. You are a good person and you have nothing to do with sally's choices.

[@bashfulwolfo6499]

This is extremely heartbreaking to hear about man, I found you out before you became popular and fell in love with your style immediately. Watched you grow into a once well beloved animator. I am so disgusted, to think that I looked up to someone that would do such a thing. My heart goes out to the victims, they deserved so much better than this. What a damn heartless and cruel thing to do to a child.

[@Noodleswithaspoon]

😥Hopefully the victims are recovering😥

[@lottavuorinen]

4 years is not a big age gap. Ya'll are overreacting

[@ardengroves]

​@@lottavuorinen THATS WHAT IM SAYING-

[@Oakhaze]

@@lottavuorinenit doesn’t matter if the age gap wasnt that large, she still took advantage of the person when they were a minor and told them to keep it a secret. And 4 years can be a large mental age gap.

[@lottavuorinen]

@@Oakhaze How did she take advantage of them?

[@Your_LocalVibez]

Anyone want some snacks before reading the comment section? 🍟🍿🥨🍓🍕🌭🍔🍗🌮🧀🥖🥞

[@Calypso-da-therian]

me

[@duststyboi]

me 😭

[@MewingMewer_nocgjflM]

YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@Your_LocalVibez]

@@MewingMewer_nocgjflM how’d u find my comment 😅

[@MewingMewer_nocgjflM]

@@Your_LocalVibez I was just scrolling through looking through all the drama lol

[@Raviiolianimates]

What has the animation community turned into? I only joined a year ago, I wish I could have experienced it before it became toxic.. And I thought I looked up to you. I didn’t think Sally would ever do this, I don’t know how to react to this anymore. This is NOT something to tolerate. The animation community is falling apart, and pedophillia is apart of it. Being a minor myself, I hate hearing what happened. It’s sad seeing the most talented people being such terrible people, I hope the underrated artists and actually under appreciated animators who care get more respect.

[@ZamaDraws]

There are so many smaller creators out there who don’t get nearly enough recognition for their work. I hope the animation community starts directing their views and love over to us smaller animators, who genuinely put effort into being decent people while creating art on par with the people who’ve been outed for doing horrible things

[@KoenDraws]

@@ZamaDraws PREACH.

[@RazzleMazzleTazzle]

Why? You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.

[@Makino_000]

You heard this too? I did also, I'm very sad for the victims bro... I almost teared up bc she was one of my fav animators.

[@Raviiolianimates]

@@Makino_000 Fr yeah I recently heard of it but yeah sag was like my idol

[@hitman_flam3319]

Sagutoyas, you have been a giant inspiration to me and many other aspiring artists throughout their childhood, I remember watching your old map parts over and over because it always invoked such awe in me, I wonder what younger me would've thought. Knowing what you did to a child, a child just like me, a child just like your fanbase, a child just like anyone. And knowing it could have been any child that you have contacted, and yet it was that victim is so disturbing and sad both for you and everyone involved. I hope you get help and change as a person. And the most I hope for is that the victim of your crimes forgets all about you, moves on with their life and becomes infinitely happier so they'll never have to look back at you again. Just like how I wish to do the same with you. Sincerely, from a used to be fan.

[@MutantSauruzzz]

It’s been a shock for everyone ☹️ I know what you are feeling here’s a virtual hug! 🫂

[@McChiggen]

swift_foxz virtual hug to all those who were fans of her or have been groomed.

[@MutantSauruzzz]

@@McChiggen agreed!

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

Y’all should be sorry for the victims not just the groomer bro

[@RazzleMazzleTazzle]

You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.

[@Lilacuity]

To anyone who thinks it isn't a huge deal for a 17 year old and a 21 year old to be dating... dismantle that idea immediately. It is absolutely not okay. First off.. a 17 year old is a 3rd-4th year in HIGH SCHOOL. They are worried about their grades, prom, graduation, senior photos, etc. All things that relate to teenagers and GROWING UP. A 21 year old is likely almost graduated from COLLEGE. This is a thing adults attend as they are already looking for a Job. They worry about car insurance, mortgage or rent, health insurance, buying groceries, drinking.. etc. ADULT things that MINORS should not be able to relate to. Anyone 18 or under is heavily focused on school. I'm turning 21 in a few months and I'm focused on work. My little sibling is 16 and they are working on getting a permit while I've been driving and working full time for almost 2 years now. Do y'all see how different our lives are??? Minors and Adults should not mix personal lives or spaces. In what realm could a minor and an adult relate on a personal level????? When you're an adult you see Minors as CHILDREN. Young adults are often seen as immature as they cannot relate to those older than them easily. On a second note, Sol the victim was heavily inspired by Sally's animations and were charmed by their capabilities and initial first impression of Sally. All rationality tends to go out the window when a teen meets a "famous person" or someone they look up to. I fell to something similar (predatory behavior, not grooming in my case) and I can say that all you really care about is impressing that special person you look up to. Especially if they are successful. Teenagers, I would not recommend actively inhabiting personal spaces with adults. This is for your safety. Some adults out there are extremely creepy and will prey on people who are still developing. Adults, please don't be a creep. If you are having problems with intrusive thoughts towards things you shouldn't... stay away from those things and GET HELP. Don't give in. Otherwise for those who don't experience that, be on the lookout. Speak up when you see sh!t like this. Assure that you know if someone is an adult or not. Don't send NSFW in groups either. Teens lie about their ages sometimes and that's just gross. My heart goes out to the victims and I hope they are able to reach some form of peace from this situation. To Sally, get some help. Your behavior is disgusting. (Edits are grammar errors and censoring swear words as to not get the comment removed)

[@Sabrinathewitch2]

Thanks for the info What she did was NOT okay

[@LadyCallow]

@Rat_in_a_bucket I think it depends on which country or school u go too. For my country, govt schools refer to them as secondary 5-6 graders in highschool but when following private schooling, it’s labelled as year 11’s, etc

[@LadyCallow]

Also this is very well put, when I was 17, I was very concerned about academics and teenager things, it’s also the age length where you’re very easily emotionally manipulated as well just to put it out there

[@candywolf8176]

I thought the age gap wasn't a big deal with a 17 and 21 year old however it is true that people usually around there teens like 16, 17 or 18 could possibly still be in highschool. It depends on the country, I've known some people graduated quickly from highschool at 16 or 17 and we're already in college. Not excusing what Sally did as it is grooming and manipulative behavior. Also using her power imbalance with the 17 year old to keep the relationship. I do agree however that the two different age groups have a different emotional maturity. Heck, even people at 18 can be as immature as 17, I know I was still in highschool at 18 because I fell behind in school. It depends a lot on the person. Though yeah it seems Sally knew what they were doing when they took advantage of the 17 year old as both parties had different emotional maturity.

[@LuvHaebom]

@@candywolf81764 year age gaps with minors are illegal in multiple places in the world anyway

[@chantrieri]

I normally don’t comment when it comes to drama, but this is honestly just the final straw. I’m not even surprised anymore, the only word I can use to express how I feel is sheer, utter, disappointment. You were an animation idol to so many of your fans, younger and older alike, and you’ve just turned out to be just like the others, simply letting everyone down. What you people do is honestly disgusting, I hardly think a response/apology will change anything, as if you were truly remorseful, you would have said something ages ago. You’re only sorry you were caught. Just leave the platform and get some help, I’m extremely sorry to all of the fans who were impacted by this news. Edit: Yo guys, better get to archiving stuff lmao

[@meevins]

hey word of advise don't refer to situations like this as drama, it's very demeaning giving how this is about someone being groomed and being failed by the adults around them. never mind the fans, focus on you know the people who were actually hurt by this such as the victim in question.

[@lousoups]

this isn't "drama"

[@chantrieri]

Yeah circumstances would have been better or smtn

[@RazzleMazzleTazzle]

Why? You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.

[@RainworldAddictt]

With the amount of wc animators that have been “exposed” lately, I’m just numb to it at this point. Yeah, I was shocked when I first heard of it, but now I’m just hearing it over and over again. It makes me sick. In a fandom FULL of minors, you would expect things like this to be very rare.

[@laurenswholesale]

KZbinrs try not to be huge creeps challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@Nutellacat]

eu me inspirava tanto em você, estou decepcionada e não creio que um pronunciamento seu vai me fazer mudar minha opinião.

[@Antilight001]

Não tou conseguindo acreditar velho, 4 anos assistindo esse canal 😞

[@hoshi3330]

Um br? sim estamos todos chateados com isso...é algo horrível

[@thunderviu]

Brigado por tá br aqui, me explica oq tá rolando? Vi um vídeo agora, li uns trem em inglês mas to toda bugada.

[@silverbelldaisy]

@@thunderviu usando um tradutor para isso mas basicamente o que aconteceu é que Sagutoyas preparou um menor

[@abbledapple9004]

​@@silverbelldaisy you translated to the wrong language cnekfldlgn, it's portuguese /lh

[@Cat_Goat]

You disappoint me You disappoint this fandom You disappoint your friends You disappoint your family You disappoint the victims of your crimes You disappoint everyone

[@Cat_Goat]

We cry together brother 😔

[@ThatOneGoldFishWCUE]

That’s a bit ride

[@Houndofhawk]

@@ThatOneGoldFishWCUE she groomed a child this is deserved

[@ThatOneGoldFishWCUE]

​@@spiral_crow maybe so, but that doesn’t make it less rude, you need to be the bigger person

[@dogtism]

@@ThatOneGoldFishWCUE i think they're just being honest though, most people are incredibly disappointed

[@Vamporic]

An old video of hers got in my recommended today, so I decided to check out this channel since everything went down last year. Not totally surprising she just decided to abandon this account. If anything, it's the ultimate admission of guilt for what she was accused of. Sucks for all of her loyal supporters, and everyone who was inspired by her work. Sally really was an amazing craftsman of animation in the indie space. It's unfortunate such a reputation went down the drain after things came to light. Hope the victim is doing better these days.

[@LadyCallow]

The people defending their actions in this comment section needs to reflect on themselves fr

[@Eldhertree]

Exactly

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

Fr bro there just straight supporting her EVEN AFTER what she did! They gotta give support to the victims literally its so disgusting we in this Animation meme community have to deal with these kind of goofies

[@spooky_the_vixen]

gee maybe we're supporting her cause it was a 3 year age gap and the "kid" was the age of consent

[@LadyCallow]

@@spooky_the_vixen gee maybe you shouldn’t cause the victim was freshly 16 and it’s not like Sally didn’t send NSFW to other minors either 🐸

[@spooky_the_vixen]

@sisters8919 I was an idiot when I posted this, I thought the age gap was a lot smaller than it actually was at the time, I don't believe she did nothing wrong anymore

[@VillainKinnie]

i see the situation like this: sally hurt someone, yes, but it was several years ago and she deeply regrets what she did. she also has not acted that way in any capacity at all during the years after the event took place. if sol says he feels like he was pressured or put in an abusive situation, then his feelings are valid and i sympathize for him. his experience was real and if he says that thats what happened, then thats what happened from his perspective, and we arent allowed to question it because we werent there. i fully believe that he believes every word of what he says he went though, but… just because he felt that way doesnt meant that thats what *literally* happened. i know this is a very controversial take, but i dont believe at all that this was “grooming”. in order to groom someone, there has to be an established power imbalance that the groomer is aware of and consciously uses to their benefit; ive seen absolutely zero record of sally ever using her popularity, age, or any other form of status to push an agenda or abuse authority. i am of the belief that, as wrong and as we all know it is, she genuinely thought that her feelings for this person were real and reciprocated. i also believe that the reason she hid the relationship was not because she was trying to isolate the victim (as some people have suggested), but because she truly believed that their relationship was the exception and that people just “wouldnt understand”. but she was terribly wrong, and she knows that now. and she has learned and changed her view of the world as a result of that horrible mistake. the public loves to reply to controversy by yelling and screaming at the perpetrators that they “need to change and become better!”, but even when the person DOES change, and DOES better themselves by learning from past mistakes, people are still never satisfied. they want more. the goal for them was never for the person to “change” as they claim it was, they want to ruin the persons livelihood. sally should not have to give up doing what she loves (animating characters from a book series that is important to her) when she has clearly emotionally matured since the incident took place. i believe strongly in forgiveness. not FORGETTING, but FORGIVING. we have all been made aware of what sally did and now we can use this information to be cautious and mindful when engaging with her, or use it to decide whether we want to engage with her at all. it should be up to the choice of individuals instead of everyone trying to cancel her entirely. everyone who engages with her should be made aware of her past, but she shouldnt be deplatformed over it. let me reiterate: I 100% BELIEVE THAT SOL WAS A VICTIM IN THIS CASE, AND SALLY IS NOT INNOCENT. but she made amends and took action to be a better, safer person, and thats all we can ask of someone when shit like this happens. i hope that sol is able to recover, find peace, and live a happy and comfortable life from this point on and im sorry that he now has to carry this trauma with him. if you disagree with me or if i got any of my information wrong, then feel free to reply to me to correct me, but im asking that you please be civil about it. im trying to see this situation from all perspectives.

[@azraalblack2114]

I agree. People make mistakes and people admit mistakes. But I want to add that first of all, in order for a person to find the strength to improve and move on, he needs support. In many ways, only hatred appears now, which can bury even deeper. I hope that people will eventually understand that if they want to fix something, they do not need to expel the one who has done wrong. They need to help him improve and make amends. ESPECIALLY if the culprit himself IS SORRY and WANTS TO CHANGE. Draw conclusions from the situation, explain to your friends the reason for how this behavior affects society. And then learn to forgive so that everyone can move on.

[@Grace-ix6oc]

While I do agree with you that it wasn’t really a kind of grooming situation ( like a KZbin animator, Illymation, went through) I don’t think that Sally just had the relationship out of genuine love and care for the victim. She had sent NSFW images to the victim knowing the victim was underage and seemed to be uncomfortable with it. I don’t know if you had read the Google document about the incident; but Sally seems to be more upset she got caught than genuinely sorry. I don’t think what she did was a mistake, but a choice. I do understand she was younger when she made this choice to interact with Sol; but she was still old enough to understand she shouldn’t send NSFW to a minor. I don’t think it is right for Sally to get away scot free for her choice she made. She knew what the consequences would be ( she did try her best to hide it; telling Sol to keep quiet about it as well) and has even acknowledged herself she will leave the warrior cats community in the statement she gave. I think it’s for the best that she is deplatformed for her wrongful decisio as well as for herself because no matter what she would do in the community, her reputation will always be tarnished and the work she does will always be overshadowed by this. I do believe somewhat Sally was aware that Sol deeply admired and respected her so that’s why she felt she could send him NSFW without getting in trouble and also telling him not to tell people about the relationship. Lastly, I do agree with your sentiments on seeing the situation from a different perspective. Sagutoyas may have grown from this behavior but the only one who truly knows the answer to the question is her. The most we can do is let the natural consequences play out. People are prone to group mentality and will act before thinking for themselves oftentimes. I truly think though, without popular opinion to sway me, that it would be best for Sally to be deplatformed in the Warriors community. She will always have this reputation attached to her and will be treated as an outcast since she is already banned from participating in any more MAPS. The best for her is to find another way to monetize and express her art and if she did truly change, to apologize to Sol, the family, and to not engage in behavior like this.

[@mecore3838]

you have a strong point, but with all this information surfacing, it feels impossible to ever genuinely want to forgive sally or keep supporting her. no matter how much of a mistake it was or so sorry sally feels or how long ago it was, it happened, and sol very likely still has mental scars from the incident, and might even have them for the rest of their life. i do feel a little bad knowing that sally's definetly not going to be able to continue doing what she loves easily, but she's responsible for someone's trauma, and it only surfaced now, telling us that she likely knew about the incident but never publicized it. it's lying to us, basically, and i can understand why many people don't want her in the community because of it.

[@Kaboom720]

honestly I can’t be bothered to read all of that, but respect to you for being civil about it ❤

[@sen7766]

While I feel like Sally's actions were serious and it's hard to forgive, I agree as well. Or better, I think that she should continue drawing/animating or reading Warriors, but she probably won't post any more of that. I'm potentially against her, but really do like that you tried to "analyze" the situation from different perspectives.

[@wolfywlf3983]

People still coming here just to leave angry comments 💀

[@CakeIsNotALie]

Idk why people comment 💀

[@Berryheartiscomingforyou]

💀🍿

[@Beaniskool]

I did a comment but realizing it was dum to come back…. I came back to read them for entertainment :]

[@Luna_moon_1127]

She deserves it and I had no idea about it and was still supporting her (don’t know) so yes today I left I comment but I’m blocking this channel forever cuz I don’t support creeps like this

[@Cubbieyippe]

Today is the one year anniversary of her disappearance

[@hnitsua]

🎂

[@Phantom_Of_Fandoms]

Woohooo!!

[@hnitsua]

@@Phantom_Of_Fandoms 🪩 🎊🎊🎊🎊🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳👯‍♀👯‍♀ 💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃💃🕺🕺🕺🕺 (8min ago)

[@hnitsua]

@@Phantom_Of_Fandoms 🪩 🥳🥳🥳🥳💃💃🎉🎉🎊🎊 💃💃🕺🕺🕺🕺💃💃 (8min ago)

[@LaZeeStuff]

omg i love that for us!

[@kyle44patterson]

Been a year sense the incident happened. I still wish she would have changed her ways after so many months. But come on.. is it that hard to NOT simp over kids? This is why I left the warrior cats fandom years ago, because of all our famous creators becoming terrible people. It’s just really heartbreaking watching your favorite fandoms rip apart because of all the predators, zoophiles, and toxic people. I will not be surprised if she did come back. Even if she did, I still and will never forget about the terrible things she has done and will never be forgiven.

[@Kennarooski]

I think the most terrible thing is that this happens in almost every single fandom.

[@guessimepic]

the roblox community’s animators are fighting urges notive, ribs, konekokitten (not an animator but pretty big influence) and others like wth why can’t you just leave kids alone 😭

[@TRU..]

We don’t know if they changed, they haven’t been online anywhere. Yet, if they want to redeem themselves and move forward, we *should* let them.

[@Kennarooski]

@@TRU.. yeah

[@Achkohnik1839]

DUDE, HORRIBLE?! Wipe your eyes...when will you start to differentiate between harassing a child and communicating with a person 3 years younger than you?

[@cicciotrecciooo07]

ngl every now and then i come back to this channel just to see if there's updates or if anything changed, half hoping for her to come back. i know what she did is wrong and fucked up, but I can't help missing her ugh.

[@solocaty]

Same! She was a great animater but what happened was just.. no

[@Music_time0826]

What happen?

[@cicciotrecciooo07]

@@Music_time0826 i don't know/can't remember the details, but basically she groomed a minor

[@cicciotrecciooo07]

@@Music_time0826 i don't know/can't remember all the details, but basically she groomed a minor

[@jade07jar]

@@Music_time0826 Sagutoyas groomed a minor and tried to silence them.

[@harding121272]

To be honest, I always looked up to Sagutoyas and wished to be like her. But now it's quite different and I take it all back.

[@P0PC0RNC4T]

Same. but i'm sure most people feel that way. she was mt idol when i was 9, now that i'm a preteen and watching vids on Yt about all she's done, i hate her now.

[@PearEyeAnimates]

You still can wish to be a good animator like her (Not person)!

[@RandomWolfKid_1]

Same, she used to be one of the big warriors animators that I looked up to. Probably the one I looked up to the most. I don’t like her anymore due to what they did

[@iamacat6448]

I love how haters are like “stop forgiving her it’s not up to you but the victimssss”, but at the same time you guys want her to apologize to YOU???🗿

[@JesusisKing801]

Dude that what I'm saying! Preach it! Just don't care what others think

[@loup_perceptif]

Yeah thats quite dumb, I guess I understand the fact some people are disappointed because they looked up to the artist, but why so much drama when they didnt suffer her behaviour 🤔 we should just keep it between the people that are truly in the situation

[@meow-d5j]

​@@loup_perceptiftrue, Lately, people have been fanning the drama because of everything 💀

[@avian.shmavian]

The worst thing is, she's only apologizing because she was outed. She's not apologizing because she knows she hurt the victim, or because she disappointed her fans, she's apologizing to try and keep her spot in the Warriors fandom. Sagutoyas, if you see this, I'd like to suggest one thing. Apologize to the people you hurt most. Such as: The victim(s?) Your family Friends Fandom (EVERYONE) Oh, and did I mention the victims? You were a major inspiration to MANY artists out there because of your talent and beautiful work, and that must've felt amazing for you. But, now that you've been caught? It's all gone to waste. I really wish the victim(s?) the best, and for them to never have to talk to you again. I think I speak for all of the fandom when I say you're disgusting. Not even the most sorry statement will make this forgivable.

[@user-zd4vk3rf2p]

it’s actually kinda funny how she thinks she can apologize and be forgiven when she’s been hiding this for about 5 years. sorry but hiding that kinda stuff and only being “sorry” because you were outed doesn’t look very good for you!

[@catdango6079]

this comment right here

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

@@user-zd4vk3rf2p 5 YEARS?! DAMN SHES BEEN KEEPING THIS FROM US

[@PorcelainCupid]

no im pretty sure 3 - 4 years , dont know when it *ended* all i know was the victim was newly 16@@pcoyoafnananimates2337

[@00026-k]

I hope you see all these comments and learn that what you did was seriously messed up. You harmed an innocent victim, and disappointed tons of people who looked up to you. Don’t even apologize, because there’s no forgiving this. I hope you just leave and learn to be better.

[@LilLalaTheStar]

God can we have one great animator that isn't a fucking sicko??? I'm very disappointed, as someone who used to be so inspired by your work, I cannot continue to support you anymore. I hope all of the victims are doing well and recovering swiftly.

[@MutantSauruzzz]

You are so real for this

[@hellen2607]

Berxc, Charmy Chippy and Unburnable Ink.

[@neofrxst]

I only trust moonkitti, blixemi and a few others for warriors content now.

[@hellen2607]

Ok I changed my mind about Berxc.

[@LilLalaTheStar]

@@neofrxst me too man ong

[@MayfeatherWC]

Wow. You were one of my favourite animators, and I actually trusted you to be a good person. Your actions were inexcusable. I'm so, so damn disappointed in you.

[@RainsReuploads]

I have reuploads ready to go if her channel goes down.

[@spagmitchell]

ur sent from above bestie

[@sageisliteraltrash8348]

what they said

[@ddeadmeme]

also what they said

[@Chiradez]

again , what they said

[@_kaleido]

I don’t think her channel is going to go down as it’s been two months already with no sign of her at all, she probably just left the internet and her channel will stay up but permanently inactive.

[@penresistance95]

I'm seeing a lot of people here running with the false narrative that there was only a one year age gap between Sally and her victim or that what happened is akin to an 18 year old dating a 17 year old. To sum it up all up: - Sally knew her victim from the age of 15 or so and when she was 18 going onto 19. There's proof of this on her channel: she still has a 16th birthday gift up for them on here. - Sally dated the person in secret when she was an adult and they were a minor. There's Discord screenshots of her pressuring her victim to keep quiet and also drawing couples art of them. She was only comfortable with the relationship being public once the person turned 18. Hence why this isn't a simple case of there being an age gap: Sally consciously chose to date somebody she knew was underage - while also giving them gifts in the form of animations/art - and pressured them to keep quiet until they were of legal age. She also exposed them and other minors in her server to NSFW content in the meantime. Sally admitted to all of this and fled the internet. There's a Google doc out there with proof. The misconception that there was only a one year age gap is a lie perpetuated by Sally's stans in order to diminish what she did so they can carry on supporting her stupid cat animations and/or idiots who think you have to be practically middle-aged to be a groomer when you don't. Sally took advantage of somebody who was significantly younger than her and behaved inappropriately around them while insisting they remain quiet. She's a groomer, pure and simple.

[@OldSquirrelflight]

Alright, I gotta say again for the new commenters here. Be respectful. Not in the sense that you should respect Sagutoyas for her actions, but in the sense of, respect them as a human being. There's nothing to be gained from the people telling her to off herself or wishing her violent outcomes. It's ridiculous and rude. Just because someone has done something ill does not mean you need to be cruel all the same. She fucked up. But this isn't the end of anyone's world. She absolutely has a road to get better. All the lunatics here saying that people like her have no emotions and are incapable of ever being redeemed in any extent- (Looking at you, "Spoiled,") Are out of line. Period. It is not your call whether she can learn and better herself, that's hers. If you wish not to ever forgive her, that's understandable. But your forgiveness will not change what kind of person she is, or may become in the future. I do not support what she has done, but I do not condemn her beyond help. That is not my place, nor is it yours. Be considerate.

[@darkdragon5490]

Truth. This is one of the few comments here that I really respect.

[@Voxaints]

Preach! ❤

[@neofrxst]

Hey, I wanted to say this, but I am sorry for the comments I've made to you and others on the Geuse videos. I wasn't in the best state of mind and some of my evidence was flimsy at best. I still personally don't support Guese, as I think they have done some messed up stuff, but I would like to apologize to you for accusing you of supporting Sagu I misinterpreted it and you seem like a genuinely good person, it's just that we don't agree on some things.

[@neofrxst]

I was, and still am, but you can believe what you wanna believe@@strugglinglawl

[@Belizske]

Guys, what Sally did was disgusting. You guys need to think again before defending her, she sent CP to a minor. Now, Because it was a drawing it wasnt as serious as a real child being harmed, but still extremely serious because she's sending it to a minor. Stop defending bad people.

[@CircusSabre]

I hate every single person trying to defend her. She actively told the child she was grooming to not talk about their relationship untill they were 18, she knew it was bad, she knew she was in the wrong, she knew it wasn't okay.

[@derpywhooves7107]

I'm just curious were the minor's guardians aware, or they didn't want them to talk about it "on public"? No one has stated that yet and I don't have access to the doc

[@brolylook]

@@derpywhooves7107 doesn’t matter. Most kids are unsupervised online especially at the ages of 12+

[@VisceralFossa]

@@derpywhooves7107 Yeesh, I hope not. If they were, that would be horrible!

[@dimastpx]

So I guess when I turn 18 and my girlfriend is still 17, I'll be cursed on all social networks?

[@squib_erm]

Ikr thats the part i find things ridiculous, like for example u js turned 18 but ur gf/bf is 16 or smth like the whole internet starts screaming at u like bro?? Even our parents have age gaps, my dad was 7 when my mom was born.

[@astrov81]

Gr00ming is gr00ming , They sent nsfw drawings to them w/o consent from what I understand.

[@C.r.e.e.k]

No. Legally, (in the us I believe) an adult can date someone young as 17 as long as it is kept non sexual. Grooming isn't just dating someone younger than you, it's a form of manipulation and often sexual. Sally did sexual things to Sol and knew him since he was 15. She manipulated him and abused him.

[@annabellesgamingadventures5243]

Actually, this was proven false, she was 21 and her victim was in his late 15s when they met. She also drew nsfw for multiple minors, not just him and pressured him to keep it a secret.

[@DiamondTheFairy]

Keep coming back in hope that maybe she changed her ways and is coming back. I really did love her work, shame I can’t see it without the horrid reminder.

[@Belizske]

Wow, its been a year. Sol, if you're reading this, I hope you're doing better. What Sally did was disgusting and it must've been a traumatizing experience, I hope you and your fiance are having a great life. ❤ As for you, Sally, I hope you're doing better aswell, not in the sense that you're having an amazing life, but that you're getting the help that you need for your despicable actions. You hurt the victims not just by grooming him, but his father found out and beat him. It's never too lste to get help, and never too late to make a sincere apology.

[@Cubbieyippe]

I literally agreed with you

[@Phantom_Of_Fandoms]

@@Cubbieyippesame

[@Crofurts]

I'm sorry, but can I find out why his father beat him?

[@Belizske]

@@CrofurtsOfcourse, basically his father found out about Sally, and what she did, and was furious and beat him up. He should've thought the opposite.

[@Vortexiez]

How hard is it for adults to date people their age holy fuck

[@Vortexiez]

But in all honesty my heart goes out to the victim, you don’t deserve that man

[@ThePineappleFellow]

@@Vortexiez Like really though, is it that hard to not groom someone?

[@Draconicdisciple]

How hard is it not to groom someone? Pretty easy. How hard is it for adults to date people exactly their age? Very hard. Me and my irl friends are all adults and I'm the only one dating someone the same age as me. Otherwise its 30 and 25, 22 and 20, etc. Adults can do whatever though when dating other adults.

[@ThePineappleFellow]

@@Draconicdisciple I think they meant that in a way of adults not dating 15 or 16 year olds but I get what you mean.

[@scenedawgy]

gonna say this,i hope the best for the victims cause i know damn well this will probably effect them for a long time,and that just makes me sad..

[@astr4naut]

I’m at a loss for words. I looked up to you. You were a huge inspiration to me for your art style, your animations, and your talents for several years.. You inspired me art wise and animation wise, it was even my dream for you to join one of my own MAPS someday. I loved each an every single one of your animations and now it will never be the same knowing another massive inspiration for me has just went under. I am so disappointed and disgusted.. I hope all those affected are alright and I hope you can mature and get the help you need.

[@Mysteriousmouse]

I was just finding about of Sally’s behavior and I’m disgusted as hell. I loved her art and when she participated in a map, I would go bonkers. Cant believe that she would do something so awful and disgusting. Why must the world be this way?..

[@Phantom_Of_Fandoms]

Yeah

[@BeanKally]

Sagutoyas needs a personal Jesus

[@V1YYVIORE]

No

[@hollowfur_.animations]

Genuinely laughed at this /p

[@Cromazone]

Copied

[@V1YYVIORE]

Lo dice la q ni sabe dibujar Cuando seas mejor q ella en todos mis aspectos me dices ok?

[@hollowfur_.animations]

@@V1YYVIORE i can draw thank you 💀💀💀 and calm your little crusty ahh down

[@ayurixstars]

Your bio should be: Sally | 25 | she/her | Swedish | Groomer | Animator | Author

[@bunny67193]

‘Don’t attack her’ I simply cannot accept the idea that a disgusting being such as her, decided to just run away like a coward instead of giving a proper explanation. I was shocked when I received a reply on TikTok that said ‘the minor was fine with it’ what? So if a 35 year old sends nudes to a 16 year old it’s okay because ‘she was fine with it’, disgusting people around here. Stay safe all of you

[@starwatcheranimations2667]

I feel ashamed that you were one of my reasons for animating. Everything you did was amazing beautiful and you put real effort in your work. I looked up to you for years. I can’t believe I looked up to a groomer for so long.

[@shortTrumpet592]

Its important to remember that you DID NOT look up to a groomer, you looked up to an amazing artist, and only because of that. None of us had no idea what they were really like- We did not look up to them BECAUSE they were a groomer, nor did we know they were one. I think It's okay to respect the art, but not like the person, or have any wish to socialize with them.

[@starwatcheranimations2667]

@@shortTrumpet592 yeah your right, I’m still shocked by the news and really disappointed to know that my idol for years is a groomer😔

[@Eldhertree]

@@starwatcheranimations2667 same. Sally was one of the reasons that I have my drawing style today but when I look at her work now that I know what she did.. I feel horrible and disgusted

[@starwatcheranimations2667]

@@Eldhertree I really hope that what ever happens, Sally doesn’t get away with this. No minor deserves to get groomed

[@brigade7678]

@@Eldhertree if its any comfort, your style looks very much your own & does not jump out as looking stylized off her work. though even if it did, it would not make you or your art bad/evil/tainted. We can't avoid drawing inspiration that might come from a bad person, and we would never know. How many kid's humors were influenced by gross ass Dan Schneider. We can't predict it, so we love/loved the art, and also refuse to support the creator anymore.

[@boggleboyz]

​ If Sally comes back to the social and makes an apology on her actions, people will still hate on her for sure saying "you groomed a minor." "your a terrible person, get off the internet for good". But some other people may actually forgive her for her actions. It may seem terrible to know someone groomed a minor but that doesn't mean the whole world should hate on her. Even a little support can make her try explain more. Don't hate forever because a certain person groomed a minor. I am not protecting her or anything. Just don't hate forever. Everyone deserves a second chance.

[@ParkadeParade]

she needs to go to intensive counselling to get better. if she takes those steps to better herself and apologize correctly then i agree

[@Literallyhugo]

I think we and everyone else do NOT have the right to forgive Sag. The ONLY and I meanONLY person that is allowed to forgive Sag is the victim

[@McChiggen]

I agree, im pissed and what she did was awful, but everyone needs a second chance

[@hitsku]

im disappointed

[@sweetotaku6246]

An eerily far-fetched drama, And the most interesting thing is that the Sagu did not put pressure on the "victim", no boxing, stalking, calls, insults, violence and other things, ordinary and calm relationships (judging by the screenshots). I don't see anything in the pictures of NSWF content, it's not a relationship of a twenty-one-year-old person with a fourteen-year-old teenager, it was a relationship that didn't have such a big difference. This is not a drama, but an absurdity. The funny thing is that the animator also knew about the consequences, because the English fandom suppresses everything, absolutely, you will be banned if you are black and say a word on N.

[@Fishcat223]

They literally sent a minor corn, what are you talking about

[@ssstorkstudios]

I’m honestly in shock. I looked up to you for so long and I’ve always wanted to be at your level when I got older when I saw your channel five years ago. It’s very heartbreaking to see one of the big shots in the fandom stoop so low. I won’t talk on this any longer, as I know you’ve most likely seen thousands of comments already, but I pray for the victims and I hope that they can recover from this. Understand that I can no longer support you, and have removed my following from all of your socials. This is honestly just sad.

[@sobble821]

@@EzmeraldFuryDragon Not that big of a deal? Dude, she gr__med someone

[@ssstorkstudios]

@@EzmeraldFuryDragon sooo would you rather have the person sally groomed just not have their groomer exposed so they can continue to have a platform? The truth would have to come out eventually and bc of their popularity it’s obv gonna become a hot topic

[@VisceralFossa]

@@EzmeraldFuryDragon Grooming is a HUGE deal. The fact you don't understand that says a lot about you. Way to try and defend your FaVoRiTe child groomer.

[@lottavuorinen]

4 years is not a big age gap. Ya'll are overreacting

[@adernss]

​@@lottavuorinen ye!!! this is really not such a big age difference - and 17 years is not so little, a person at this time is quite capable of realizing how and with whom she / he communicates. perhaps few people will support my point of view, but in the end it is, lol

[@lemonstarr..]

Come on, Sally. Where’s the statement you promised us? We haven’t forgotten.

[@OldSquirrelflight]

She made one on her other media I believe. A document. Still hoping for a main one here.

[@catsubiston]

@@OldSquirrelflight oh shoot really?

[@rexitoxalmovedtojazkyll8366]

​@@OldSquirrelflight where? I really want to see it

[@lycanfangs]

She made one privately on discord, you can find it on twitter !!

[@lemonstarr..]

@@lycanfangs aaaa I don’t use twitter so I’ll have to wait for one here :

[@dragonfruit8223]

Why does every single popular artist end up bring an absolute piece of shit? Your art is what inspired me to join the wc fandom and start making art myself, but now I feel guilty for even enjoying your art in the past. I hope the victim(s?) is doing okay, and I’m glad everything has been brought to light.

[@TiredWierdCat]

What other artist have done shit or been exposed for something bad? I really wanna know

[@ivyshadesnursery]

@NATRIXx the victim was 16. And they met when he was 15 and she was 20. She gr00med him. Made him think that their relationship was okay despite the the fact that she was a grown ass adult and he was a minor. That's a crime, it's illegal and your defending it. Sagutoyas even admitted to it so idek why you're still defending her. Give it up

[@catswampy]

@@TiredWierdCat A few other artists that have been exposed are Foxi Boxi, Artblock Studio, & EphemeralMoth. Ofc there are way more, but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

[@rabbittoes1251]

​@@catswampy wth artblock likes kids too?!

[@catswampy]

@@rabbittoes1251 I haven't heard anything about pedophilia with artblock, but it has been confirmed that they have drawn feral NSFW.

[@andyttik]

I can't belive u would ever do something like that. U were my biggest inspiration and the reason i started drawing/animating :/ and when i saw the first reupload of your work i wanted to cry cuz i am watching u for like 3 years? And i loved every single video and i can't imagine your channel getting deleted but the thing u did.. that is unforgivable

[@RazzleMazzleTazzle]

You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.

[@LAVENDERP]

man i keep coming to your channel hoping you said something, but you really did up and run.

[@Eldhertree]

Exactly

[@chezathehellhound]

Bro pulled a dad. Went out to get a gallon of milk and never came back

[@imaginarylivingbody7154]

Kind of super fucked up that Ashfur took a page out of Tigerstar’s playbook. The parallels this scene has to Brindleface’s (Ashfur’s mom) murder is bone chilling. Absolutely incredible work! Poor Sparkpelt though. Her injuries look absolutely brutal.

[@axelf9947]

Oh man, i hadn’t made that connection… that hurts.

[@SAMMYTASTISCH]

I thought this was Leafpool's death scene 🤔

[@kingkingwong3924]

@@SAMMYTASTISCH Yea

[@saggytheii]

I wonder where she is right now

[@colorfulpup87]

I just wanted to comment something since this person used to be an inspiration to me.. C'mon now. All I hope is that the victim is okay

[@raposinhadoaj]

The amout of people defending Sally makes me want to puke, i hope they're all children who don't understand how serious the situation is

[@Cemeterygirll]

Wish you'd come back. Twitter treats a 3 year age gap like it's a 20 year old dating a 13 year old. The person was 17, and at that age, you are fully capable of knowing what you're doing. This person isnt a grooming victim because they're old enough to know the situation they're in and consented. Not to mention they sent nsfw to EACH OTHER. They knew damn well what they were doing. Sagutoyas should never have been cancelled. Its just another case of senseless twitter cancelling.

[@LilacpetaI_Art]

Dawg what they are a groomer

[@binoluninia]

So they’re a groomer? Gotcha

[@Cemeterygirll]

@@binoluninia No, a 3 year age gap isn't grooming. This is a classic case of Twitter cancelling. Nowadays people throw around the words "grooming" and "pedophile" way too loosely. My boyfriend is 3 years older than me, and he's not a groomer. Like wake tf up people

[@Ad_der]

​@@CemeterygirllI dont think the age gap was the problem for most people, she sent the other person NSFW stuff.

[@scenedawgy]

@@Cemeterygirllage gaps do not matter in the situation,anyone can be groomed,regardless of age. its about power imbalance and the perpetrator wanting something out it,you dont share porn with a minor and wait for them to be of legal age in a relationship that is plain wrong. you dont seem to understand the seriousness of things like this id suggest not talking over a victims experiences.

[@sweetotaku6246]

Honestly, it seems to me that because of the large number of dramas around artists, the Twitterati decided to inflate out of a molehill and start calling pedos those who in fact are not, Yes, according to the law , adulthood begins with 18, but think about it, is 17 and 18 such a big difference? Mentally, people at such ages do not really differ from each other. And their relationship was quite healthy, the artist did not manipulate her partner, did not force her to do unpleasant things, and you can't really call it a relationship, simply drew their characters together, joked together and wrote that they loved each other.

[@igor9563]

Господи,наконец адекватный коммент! Абсолютна согласна.Вся драма полный бред. Такое ощущение,что людям просто стало в кайф отменять всех кто по их мнению сделал какую либо ошибку. Хоть раз сама "жертва" говорила что-то плохое в сторону Sagutoyas? Что-то не припомню. Кароче из 17-их "детей" делают каких-то неженок,серьезно. Плюс он ничего не говорил против того,чтобы скидывать прон,к тому же там видно,что это сделано в ШУТКУ ЕПТЭ. Кароч бомбит жестко 💀

[@Alpha_VI]

Agree

[@buntbunx9280]

except sally literally told them to stay quiet about the relationship, which is like massively wrong. they also met when the other person was 15-16

[@CatlingVenchik]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@igor9563 Я просто хочу пожать вам руку, ибо как русскоязычный человек который смотрел все так называемые "доказательства" Переводя и читая все написаные тексты включая переписок между Салли и "жертвой" Могу сказать что кроме сплошного пиздежа там больше нету. Ихние отношение были насколько мне известно с 18-19 год, и в конечном счёте они просто мирно разошлись, но при этом все узнали об этом только сейчас, и серьёзно? В чём смысл уже это обсуждать сейчас когда это было давно? Всем лишь бы сделать какую либо трагедию из этого, и в правду, а разве хотябы раз сама "жертва" говорила что-то в сторону Салли? В чём суть называть её грумером / пидофилом? (Людей которых так называют делают реально страшные вещи ! Я против всего этого !) Но как это причастно к Салли? Ещё кто-то говорил на подобии "17-летним детям родители не объясняют что есть такие плохие люди" Господи, по вашему 17 лет является неосознаваемым возрастом? Что человек в этом возрасте не ответственен за себя? И при этом когда человеку исполняется 18 он будто от этого становится умнее? Я здесь никого не обвиняю, даже тогда когда я узнал об этой ситуации я везде как мог разобрался и спокойно отреагировал на происходящее. В заключении могу сказать что здесь нету не правых, не виновных ибо они оба были согласны на отношения и никто никого не принуждал / держал на сильно, к этим отношениям. Какие бы они небыли я до сих пор люблю этих двух аниматоров, они в моём сердце ❤

[@stundetlas2-lf8uw]

the ‘victim’ kinda deserved to get beat

[@bunnivyx]

As someone who saw the google doc, I feel I’m lacking context for the evidence. I have plenty of evidence but not much context around it. We have Sally telling the minor to be quiet about SOMETHING. We’re told it’s the relationship but we don’t actually KNOW that. Where’s the rest of the thread? I need more before I jump to a conclusion. Sally, please respond to these accusations, nobody WANTS you to be the bad guy, that’s just what we’ve been given. Sorry if it seems I’m supporting Sally’s actions, I’m not, I’m just stuck in a position where I don’t know enough to make my own conclusion. I’m studying forensic psychology, and I’ve learned that jumping to conclusions can lead to dire consequences. To anyone who still supports Sally, I’d advise you to question your support but DO NOT make a definitive decision until we are 100% sure. This evidence lacks the context to be substantial. I don’t expect people to agree but I personally, need more information, not just word of mouth as I, as a writer, have been able to twist words to my advantage so I do not trust them unless they come from the source. To anyone who actually read my comment, wow, you actually read it. I’m not looking for an argument, just an understanding. If anyone has any extra pieces of evidence, please step forward (to reiterate, I HAVE seen the google doc, do not send that). EDIT: I just saw a community post from someone involved and I now have a better understanding of the situation. I am very sorry to anyone who was taken advantage of by Sally and hope you get the help you deserve. To Sally, I wish you get help and whatever karma comes your way, you deserve it.

[@brolylook]

Fae is in Lequarious’ server with you and me but don’t dm them, I think some info isn’t ready yet? From what I know the victim hasn’t given explicit permission for some things to come to light as of yet, and that is their right. But the evidence is damning and we have evidence of sally sending p/rn to minors, multiple times, which is enough.

[@bunnivyx]

@@brolylook I know of the evidence which I was given is still really bad. I’m only hoping to get some more context at some point to clarify the whole situation. I do not think Sally is in the right in any way, I just hope there may be an out for them. I’ve never been fond of canceling people especially when they have learned from their mistakes. We do not know if Sally has learned or not, which does not change anything that has already been done it is only my hope to see good in people. Maybe I’m stupid for wanting to help bad people be better but that’s the kind of person I am.

[@bunnivyx]

Of course, I do think there should be some form of repercussions for what Sally has done, I do not expect them to go without punishment.

[@dogswarrior596]

I understand that you are not supporting her actions and all but there is a clear Proof that they sent NSFW 18+ Images to a minor and I think that alone is terrible. But I do understand what you are trying to say.

[@bunnivyx]

@@dogswarrior596 thank you for understanding and I agree, that alone is enough proof to cause an outrage and is undeniably horrid. I do not expect Sally to go without punishment in some form, and if the victim wants, they can take it as a legal case in court.

[@Isheekit]

Is it just me who had realized a pattern in Sally's behavior? Sol being one of Sally's victims, yes. But whatever map Sally was in, it seemed to always have Sol in it. Whatever map Sol made, Sally was in it. As if they were in kahoots. It's also sad that I knew Sally was gonna turn out to be a bad person. like c'mon Sally, is it THAT hard to not prey upon a freshly turned 17 year old? EDIT: guys this comment is a year old LOL i'm obv stupid

[@JourneyThroughTime]

I noticed that. But a lot of people do that though. They were pretty open to being close "friends" so that's probably what most assumed.

[@RazzleMazzleTazzle]

Yeah cause people join their ‘friends’ maps? I put friends in quotations because sol is Sally’s victim but most people who are friends with other animators are in each others projects a lot. It ain’t that deep bro

[@uglebeffus]

Wow, Sally was in the same maps as their SIGNIFICANT OTHER? Or perhaps someone she had been friends with at the time? What a shocker. This is clearly evidence that Sagutoyas is a pedo and a groomer and a kiddie diddler. (If you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.)

[@auspatriot-l8o]

Ok yes what Sally did is absolutely disgusting, but don’t y’all think it’s time to move on from this? Like it happened 5 years ago and we all found out last year. I’m not defending Sally in any way ofc not, but I don’t think we should be talking and spreading the news everywhere especially on maps she participated in. Everyone’s gonna get tired of it. Like tbh I’m kinda tired of the drama *Also I hope the victims are doing better now

[@Rxrandom0625]

I get your sick of it and all ( I kinda am too) but she still has a bit more than 150k subs

[@auspatriot-l8o]

@@Rxrandom0625 yea…I kinda thought she would loose a lot more after this. Idk

[@TRU..]

The victim was an animator also, they quit because of people flooding their comments with it. They said something along the lines of their quitting because people are "harassing them about an incident that happened a year ago.”

[@shadowandamyvlogs3000]

I agree. Everytime I come by over here people still keep bringing it up like,,, yeah its unhealthy to keep being involved in it over and over again because that incident happened since 2023. We should not worry about it anymore and basically move on, that's all I would say

[@sweirde]

Jag har sett upp till dig i flera år, till och med innan jag visste att du ver den som gjorde den inspirerande animationen för utställningen i gymnasiet. Jag är så besviken över att få reda på vad du har gjort.

[@Friedphesh]

Ja fyfan asså jag var typ 11 när jag hittade denna kanalen och den inspirerade mig att börja rita digitalt Jag blir så arg och besviken

[@Enrommie]

Omg hi! Wait, you saw her irl?

[@sweirde]

We went to the same art class in high school, though she was two years ahead of me so we never spoke but I had seen her work in class exhibitions and even before on DeviantArt

[@Enrommie]

@@sweirde wow must be worse that you saw her in person

[@M1llipedez]

Det måste kännas jättetråkigt att man har fått reda på vad en gammal skolkamrat har gjort ngl

[@сераякв-д3и]

Damn, it's even somehow a pity that Sally was attacked. People, the man was 17 years old! this is no longer a child who is interested in dolls and cartoons, but a person who knows how to make choices and make decisions himself. sorry if there are mistakes, english is not my native language

[@cityrat.]

its still grooming. the victim being almost an adult does not change anything. and as far as i know, sally's pursued the victim since they were, what, 15?

[@neofrxst]

Sally began pursuing them when they JUST TURNED 15

[@сераякв-д3и]

does the fact that she has been friends with him since the age of 15 have any special meaning? I don't think. you say that like Sally committed a murder, was, excuse me, in a sexual relationship and broke the "tender childish psyche" of salt, but .. she just, as far as I know, gentlemen, correct me if anything, threw him 18+ pictures and said don't tell anyone. Guys, seriously? he might have seen it before. "Oh no, now his mind is broken!"

[@cityrat.]

@@сераякв-д3и because this was an ADULT showing a MINOR nsfw. and afaik thats not all it was. stop excusing pedophilia and grooming.

[@neofrxst]

@@сераякв-д3и A near college graduate pursuing someone who just turned 15 doesn't seem wrong to you?

[@bakedbean1006]

Art is amazing! Keep up the great work, Sally!

[@Makino_000]

Don't even support her, she did something bad. like REALLY bad.

[@bakedbean1006]

@@Makino_000 oh really? whatd she do?

[@Makino_000]

@@bakedbean1006 I heard she recently groomed a teenager and sent them inappropriate pictures

[@bakedbean1006]

@@Makino_000 oh- thats horrible

[@ThatOneGoldFishWCUE]

​@@bakedbean1006 this teenage was 16, which is the legal age of consent, she told him to keep quiet yes, but there is a million reasons. Including all the people accusing her of being a p3d0phile. Also, it’s *VERY* likely that Sally ki//Ed herself recently and that’s most certainly because of people on the internet, no matter how much you hate her, you people being so rude and attacking them, likely ki//Ed them. What do you think about that?

[@dorabogolubskaya8714]

Poor Sally don't deserve all this shit. people did not even try to understand the situation and simply believed the document with dubious arguments that had already been deleted for unknown reasons...

[@dorabogolubskaya8714]

people literally call a pedophile a person who dated a 17 YEAR OLD💀💀😭😭 you really don't know the meaning of this term or what wtf daaamn, warrior cat community is the worst

[@fizzypebble332]

​@dorabogolubskaya8714 dumbass sally knew what she was doing was wrong, she groomed a minor into keeping their relationship a secret bc she knew it was wrong

[@csoxx]

@@dorabogolubskaya8714 even if sally was dating an adult, asking to keep a relationship a secret so no one will know what is happening is VERY suspicious and inappropriate behaviour.

[@dorabogolubskaya8714]

@@csoxx i saw a screenshot from 2019 where she explained that she understood that people from Twitter would attack her cuz they will not understand the situation and would just bully her, which she did not want. She didn't manipulate or threaten her partner, she just asked her to keep it a secret It's a shame that her words came true in the end I could even show a screenshot if could post photos in KZbin comments bruh

[@csoxx]

@@dorabogolubskaya8714 Uh huh. And what about sending NSFW to that person without their permission? even outside of a romantic situation that's not appropriate. And, quoting Sally from discord screenshots here, telling someone to "wait until they're 18" is directly suggesting that she knew she was wrong and was actively avoiding taking any blame.

[@greythelynxYT]

Guys, it's literally been a year...cant you all know how to forget..? This whole situation happened about 5 years ago and i agree what sally did was totally not okay, but dont you guys think we should hear her side of the story? Im not saying glitch did ANYTHING wrong but maybe he could have left out bits of the situation maybe sally could have told us? Because it seems unsual to me that he kept silent for 4 damn years to tell us this that he got sent a picture of his and sallys oc touching noses then after like 10 months it was revealed she sent cp to him which im kind of confused about..its kind of hard to explain what i think though because what was the point of waiting 4 years and 10 months to tell us this. Its strange for me if he hadnt blocked her and exposed her in the first place then just telling us when he can. Whats wrong with that? Unless something else had happened? You know its NOT embarrassing to say that somone has done bad to you unless you have done something aswell? Im not trying to accuse glitch of something though dont think that way. Also, if dont think sally manipulated glitch as all she said was express her feelings to him by sending a picture of their ocs touching noses and 'telling him to keep it a secret' all of you are acting like he was being held at gunpoint or something. (I cant find the right words to say this and you might think im on to nothing but i still believe sally has right to say something about this whole 'drama' and defend herself.)

[@VaxxerJ.B]

I agree like why did Sol keep quiet the entire time and this is something i have been thinking about for soooooo long: it is legal at where Sally lives to be in love at a young age and so if our rules are different why do we care? It is there laws so nothing is wrong and we ABSOLUTELY pushed her off the internet.😢😢😢

[@VaxxerJ.B]

Sorry my grammer is bad becuase i am MADDD deppressed

[@QueensWillNeverCry]

​@@VaxxerJ.BStop victim blaming. "WHy dID sOl kEeP qEuit??" He was manipulated and groomed. Its not bis fault, children are naive and immature.

[@greythelynxYT]

​@@QueensWillNeverCryYeah, I agree, but 10 months after it was revealed about Sally, he had to bring up CP? I'm still confused about that.

[@PingPongSport-zi5vs]

Hi I’m using an alt because I personally don’t want to be involved, because as we know the situation is horribly terrifying. Also, I’m 23. I am not a victim of grooming but I did extensive research and reread the screen shots many times to understand the situation to the best of my ability. The fact that Sol didn’t reveal the extent of the abuse isn’t really surprising at all. He said it himself, the content was disturbing, and he didn’t want to show disturbing stuff to a wide audience, many of whom are minors that looked up to Sally. The misinfo in the comments forced his hand, he had to tell the full truth traumatic as it may be and even then he STILL didn’t want to show pictures because it’s inappropriate. Why did Sol keep quiet for 4 years? Not everyone who’s young recognizes the red flags of grooming right away, thus don’t realize the harm until they’re older. Sol said he was 16, and also highly idolized Sally and put her on a pedestal, which put Sally in a position of power which she took advantage of. Telling Sol to keep quiet is a tactic to isolate and make sure nobody knows Sol was in danger, “don’t tell anyone, don’t tell your friends, don’t tell your family, tell nobody,” this was a tactic used to keep Sally out of trouble with the community, and the law. Also there aren’t screen shots of everything, like things said in voice chats. Sol mentioned in comments that he and Sally talked over the phone and Sally asked to meet Sol in person, this is from voice chats so you take Sol’s word for this. When I read that, I wanted to barf. Nice adults don’t tell children to keep secrets, and nice adults don’t invite children to meet them in secret. Edit to avoid confusion regarding this part. A child telling another child to keep a secret is fine, an adult telling another adult to keep a secret is fine, because these are at similar maturity levels so they understand better. An adult telling a child to keep a secret, is a little questionable because it normalizes the concept in the child’s mind and makes them more vulnerable to dangerous adults telling children to keep secrets to keep their own reputation safe while they commit the crime. If you are young, and someone older tells you not to tell anyone that you two are in contact, *PLEASE* tell someone. Please. It is not safe to hide something like that from people who can protect you. It doesn’t have to be a romantic relationship for this to be dangerous. Regardless of what dynamic is going on, if an adult tries to isolate a child in ANY way using secrets, it is grooming.

[@catabyssal]

I'm very disappointed You were one of my favorite artists and I always loved seeing the art you created but after the current news it's upsetting to see so many good artists to turn out to be terrible people I hope the victims do find their peace and take time to heal. I wish them the best with their healing journey and their lives. Anyone who might read this please be safe, the internet is not safe at all. There's too many people being called out for this issue alone and it's terrifying at the number. Please watch out for the people you talk to and to tell someone if you find suspicious actions to someone you trust. I know you might hear that a lot but it's true, too many kids are victims to these terrible people. Stay safe reader. We all are disappointed.

[@tomasrivera9547]

For those people who do not understand why people are mad at Sally, I'm here to explain what I think is the reason. Back then when Sally was 21, she gr00med a child and silenced them. After others found this out, they were disgusted, disapointed and ashamed of her behavior. This caused her to lose many subscribers and fans. This behavior should not be happening, and Sally if you're reading this, you should be ashamed of yourself for being involved in this act. It's disgusting and horrid. Even if you're sorry, it won't make up for the horrible behavior you caused. You disapointed this fandom and it's not okay. And for all people who have been gr00med before, I am so sorry for you. No one should EVER have to deal with that, and I hope you're doing better. Thank for taking your time to read this, and I hope you understand why Sally is getting so much hate.

[@Альфа-сигма-феминистка]

Ребёнок 17 лет 🙂❓

[@tomasrivera9547]

@@Альфа-сигма-феминистка Спасибо, что подтвердили это! Я не знал, было ли им 17 лет или меньше!

[@pcoyoafnananimates2337]

@@tomasrivera9547 don’t worry you’re not wrong 17 is still a minor regardless.

[@tomasrivera9547]

@@pcoyoafnananimates2337 Okay thank you!

[@kirumi-tojo]

Okay, we have waited for a long time. It does not take that long to make a damn statement. You need to make one, because some of us are getting impatient waiting for you to just state what you did and admit it.

[@OldSquirrelflight]

Their won't be any official one. The document from Twitter is close as it gets, and it's not much. She'll likely just hide her head with an alternative account until everything dies off, as it inevitably will. She may return with a different name and falsify different account informations to basically start anew. Apart from actually taking responsibility and taking time off to better themselves, that would be their only literal option to get back in quickly. Although they'd need a change of art style. A big one.

[@kirumi-tojo]

@@OldSquirrelflight I wish that adults were mature enough to own up to what they did. I mean, it's bloody ironic coming from a twelve year old, but it's the truth.

[@totallygarnular]

@@kirumi-tojoYeah but that's what a GOOD person would do...

[@toast3t]

I don't see why you're waiting, she doesn't need to apologise to us, only the victims. A private apology to them will do.

[@kirumi-tojo]

@@toast3t I do agree with that, but she also needs to apologize for ruining our trust with her. I saw this on a rant video, so it may not be true, but she did make a private statement but also promised to make a public one. edit: and i'm not trying to make it all about me, but she needs to make an apology to both the victim and the internet.

[@mcdeath2945]

i need to be the voice of reason here as an alibi of the minor friendgroup, it was when the victims were 15, barely into 16. not when he was 17. i feel like a lot of misinfo is being spread and villainizing op when if fact there were grown men/other older weirdos before sally in the friendgroup grooming the kids in there

[@mcdeath2945]

op never said he sent porn to 11 year olds when he was 17 you guys are fucking crazy throwing out pedophile claims on a bunch of kids who WERE 15/16.

[@ThePineappleFellow]

Even if the kid was 17 it would have still been messed up, they are still a minor dating an adult

[@appledawn6303]

Everyone knows!

[@JUNKZINTERLUDE]

Please stop defending this person in the comments, they are indeed a GROOMER. This is not youtube drama, this is a CRIME.

[@forgottenlantern8147]

It's a public place where people can say what's on their mind.

[@catswampy]

@@forgottenlantern8147 So? Doesn't give anyone a good reason to defend a groomer.

[@forgottenlantern8147]

@@catswampy So? You can complain about it and people can say what they want

[@catswampy]

@@forgottenlantern8147 I know that people can say whatever they want but it doesn't make defending a groomer acceptable.

[@scenedawgy]

im gonna admit this situation is long done with supposedly the victim got doxxed and sagutoyas is gone i only come back to this because the people who keep trivializing someones grooming is messed up, but i think everyone should move on in the way that theres no reason in hoping for sagutoyas to come back,whats the point of even commenting on a silent channel?

[@menir3068]

So I’m guessing there going to delete everything and run after this. So archiving time?

[@LysiXO]

I guess so

[@akitteaa6650]

yes

[@norian_creature]

Yeah most likely

[@McChiggen]

Another message to those of you who were fans of sagutoyas, do not feel ashamed of yourselves! You are good people who have nothing to do with her actions! Who can blame you for liking a popular animator?

[@KoenDraws]

Again, this! I appreciate how smart you are... everyone is acting like complimenting their animations is supporting them when it's not.

[@randomuser-c7y]

@@KoenDraws watching her videos is sort of supporting her because of monetization and money so like-

[@marnieleopardyena8516]

What a cool animator, I sure hope they don't groom children!

[@annakatharine2416]

Sheeeeeesh, beautiful as always, I love how you always do dramatic scenes! The little head shakes and sadness in the eyes of the cats. Just a masterpiece!

[@Dalulu32]

Sally is a groomer, you can find more info from other comments

[@dxrk_rxign]

Please dont support this person anymore. Just a word of advice.

[@annakatharine2416]

Really? Why do always the good artists that I look up to end up being horrible?

[@reedtheracco0n]

@@annakatharine2416 Idk bro, but you know what she did?

[@KoenDraws]

​@@dxrk_rxign They can compliment their animations without supporting their actions. You all act like those two are the same things, when they're not.

[@FluffyVampires]

Is it becoming a trend to be a groomer?! Wth😭😭😭

[@MeltedCheeriosStudio]

My questions exactly😭

[@mazewingo]

one of my friends joined the trend the other day no way!!!!!!!!!!!

[@itsnachoseater666]

It's just twitter getting mad

[@MeltedCheeriosStudio]

@@mazewingo OH-

[@Snekysnitch]

No, people just don't know what it means.

[@bitvoidish]

I feel kind of bad for her in the future when she decides to become a better person. This will come back and hit her in the face when she’s more mature, she’ll be denied jobs, friends, maps, all because she did something stupid. God, think before you act…

[@BitterCyder]

Denied jobs? Jobs in what?? Sally wasn’t legally charged for anything and can’t be as she lives in Sweden

[@bitvoidish]

@@BitterCyder I mean if she were to try to be on some sort of online series, such as Helluva Boss or Lackadaisy. The creators will most likely know what she did.

[@wolfguy1234]

She deserves it. She won't become a better person.

[@bitvoidish]

@@wolfguy1234 Everyone should get the chance to become a better person. If you don’t believe in that, there’s something wrong with you.

[@theheioslair6023]

@@bitvoidish Well put. I'm not defending groomers, fuck them but, the minor can say ANYTHING and be believed over Sally, even if she does explain, who's going to give her the chance of redemption, to set things right. I keep seeing people sayin "she better apologise" but what happens when she does? Everyone's still gonna hate her, she could do everything everyone is telling her to do and it still won't suffice. I believe she can change, but that can't happen unless she's ready to give her statement, admit the wrong doings and people need to accept that she is willing to and can change. I hope that makes sense, it's kinda hard to explain my point without seeming like I'm defending her actions. It's hard when you are trying to look at both perspectives. There's just a lot of unknowns to us as the public and I suppose we're trying to fill in the gaps with assumptions, based off of the info we've publicly been given. Idk its a bit of an odd situation. I don't think Sally should disappear for good, I just think she needs a fair bit of time away to think, apologise, seek some guidance etc, and come back with a clean slate. I don't think it should be held against her permanently, definitely part of her history now that will be remember by a lot of the WC community, but perhaps forgive over time but not forget?

[@doberpunk4888]

Get help man, dont shove that shit under the rug, make a statement, distance yourself and get. help. You did something awful that will hurt someone for years to come, own up to it

[@tevildech5497]

I mean I get your comment and youre 100% right but wasnt that stuff from like years ago? Maybe Im uninformed cnsnxndmc maybe she already reflected which would be good

[@fableindigo]

@@tevildech5497 It doesn't matter if it was years ago wtf,, She was the adult in the situation, she should have shut it down. it's her fault and her responsibility. don't excuse it by saying "guys it was years ago!!" It's demeaning as hell to the victims and others, like myself, who have experienced similar situations

[@wolfbyte2468]

@@tevildech5497 It happened in 2019, so it was quite recent.

[@bashfulwolfo6499]

@@tevildech5497 It’s doesn’t matter how long ago it was, trauma can last a lifetime.

[@cascadedeclipse8240]

Truer words have never been spoken.

[@grudgiecrumbs6524]

Yall are acting like people can't still bring up 'drama' from 5 months ago or whatever when she completely disappeared from the internet without giving a statement or apology or anything (not that I really see the point in an apology-because what could possibly forgive or bypass grooming a minor?) Like idk the whole situation, even if it's 'old news' still seems odd since she just dropped off the face of the earth basically. Plus, some people, like one of the more recent commenters, are still unaware of what Sagutoyas has done and continue to support her/wonder where she's gone. Regardless of how long ago all this was brought up, it doesnt change the fact that she groomed someone, and I think its important we keep holding her accountable for that.